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13 Nov 2007 10:55:00 PM |
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Want To Know Why 'They' Hate 'Us'? |
Sounds like to me Its not just Iraq that is a quagmire, its the whole
damn war on terror!
With this strategy we'll be broke before we could ever declare
victory.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis92.html
Washington Stirs a Witch's Brew in Pakistan
by Eric Margolis
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Plans by President George Bush and Vice President ***** Cheney to
attack Iran have been at least temporarily derailed by the mounting
crisis in Pakistan. Not only is this important South Asia nation a key
US ally in its conflict with anti-western Muslim groups (aka "the war
of terror"), the US also planned to use three Pakistani air bases it
now controls to launch air attacks against Iran.
I've been in regular contact with former Pakistani Prime Minister
Benazir Bhutto. She calls the situation "grim." On Friday, she was
temporarily put under house arrest, preventing her from leading a mass
demonstration in Islamabad. On Tuesday, she plans to lead a mass
protest march from Lahore, to which she flew over the weekend, to
Islamabad, mobilizing her party faithful and challenging the Musharraf
regime.
Another important Pakistani party, Jamiat Islami, is also threatening
mass demonstrations. Bhutto and other opposition leaders are calling
on Musharraf to resign as military chief and run in fair,
internationally supervised elections.
Bhutto tells me she may face another attempt to kill her. She accuses
allies of President-General Pervez Musharraf of trying to assassinate
her in the October 18th bombing in Karachi that that killed or wounded
hundreds.
Bhutto's Pakistan People's Party commands broad popular support,
particularly among the poor and illiterate. But her attempt to unleash
mass demonstrations has so far been thwarted by violent police
repression against her supporters and the arrest of her political
allies.
Musharraf's imposition of martial law, arrest of Supreme Court
justices who were going to rule illegal his continued role as
commander-in-chief and president, arrest of other opposition figures
and muzzling the formerly feisty media have proven most embarrassing
to the Bush Administration which claims to be an apostle of democracy.
Bush, who claims to have invaded Afghanistan and Iraq in order to
bring them the light of democracy, must continue supporting Pakistan's
military dictator or see his war in Afghanistan collapse.
So, under heavy pressure from Washington, Musharraf agreed to hold
elections on 15 January and release some jailed opponents. Washington
hailed Musharraf. In reality, however, it was another cynical ploy.
Every election Musharraf has held since seizing power in 1999 has been
rigged. Does anyone really believe there will be fair elections in
Pakistan under martial law or with the media gagged?
Musharraf, who commands less than 8% popular support, and is widely
hated as an American stooge, knows he would lose any honest election.
What he plans are the same kind of farcical "democratic elections"
held by the US-backed military dictatorships of Egypt and Algeria.
My Pakistani sources report growing unrest in the 619,000-man armed
forces. Senior commanders, recently promoted by Musharraf after pre-
approval by Washington, still support him. But they are increasingly
dismayed by the threat of a clash with civilians. Many senior officers
fear their continued support of Musharraf is turning the public
against the armed forces and injuring its good name.
Gen. Ashfaq Kiyani, the newly named vice chief of staff, could be
Pakistan's next strongman. If Musharraf is overthrown, killed or
driven from office, Washington has chosen Gen. Kiyani as its Plan B,
either with or without Benazir Bhutto. Kiyani has close links to the
US and received part of his military training there.
If Musharraf does finally resign his command, Kiyani will control the
military. Musharraf will be left without a power base - or perhaps
even army protection.
Benazir Bhutto tells me pro-Taliban tribesmen and Uzbek allies in
Northwest Frontier Province on the Afghan border are rapidly taking
over cities and towns. Army troops ordered to attack them have
surrendered or refused to fire. The Swat Valley, which is well inside
Pakistan, fell to Islamists two weeks ago.
This could mark the beginning of a rebellion in the ranks. The loyalty
of the army's senior officers has been rented by billions of dollars
of secret aid the CIA has funneled through Musharraf. Those who could
not be bought were ousted, including Pakistan's most capable military
men.
Official post-9/11 US aid to Pakistan is $10.6 billion, but "black"
payments are many times higher. Some reports put them at $1 billion
monthly. These mammoth payoffs have not trickled down to the mid and
lower ranks. They have vanished into the pockets of the military brass
and senior officials. Pakistan's armed forces are still woefully
deficient in modern arms.
Gen. Hamid Gul, former director general of Pakistan's intelligence
service, ISI, and an old friend from the 1980's Afghan War, has also
been arrested. He kept accusing Musharraf of selling out Pakistan's
national interests in return for cash and US support for his
dictatorship - and of dishonoring the military. Gen. Gul still has
many friends in the army and ISI. He shouted what many officers
whisper.
In lauding Musharraf, President Bush made no mention of the dictator's
disgraceful firing of Supreme Court justices who were about to declare
Mush's ongoing rule violated the constitution. Nor has Bush or the US
Congress issued any demands that the exiled former PM Nawaz Sharif,
leader of Pakistan's other major political party, the Muslim League,
be allowed to return to contest elections.
So much for supporting democracy. In the name of fighting extremism,
Musharraf has jailed or intimidated nearly all of Pakistan's political
moderates.
In Washington's wrongheaded view, it's either Mush or the mullahs. Or
if Musharraf falters, then it's Bhutto or Gen. Kiyani.
As of this writing, Bhutto still has not decided whether to
collaborate with Musharraf or try to force a bloody confrontation with
him, though she suggests talks are off. Many of her friends and
supporters are appalled she would make a shady, backroom deal with the
military dictator. Gen. Kiyani remains an unknown.
Anyone who still wonders why so many people in the Muslim World hate
the west needs look no further than Pakistan, where, in the name of
"democracy" and "counter-terrorism" Washington and London are stirring
a witches' brew of dictatorship, intrigue and violence.
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14 Nov 2007 02:42:11 AM |
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No.
Just kill them.
Why all this overthinking the problem?
Jim E
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| User: "Adam Whyte-Settlar none@none" |
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15 Nov 2007 11:03:01 AM |
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"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message
news:5pvqn5Ft0r5nU1@mid.individual.net...
No.
Just kill them.
It's not so much hate these days anyway - it's evolved to utter contempt at
failure.
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| User: "Jim E" |
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17 Nov 2007 08:12:43 PM |
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"Adam Whyte-Settlar" <none@none> wrote in message
news:13jouuci28o5t5d@corp.supernews.com...
"Jim E" <YD639275@SVN.net> wrote in message
news:5pvqn5Ft0r5nU1@mid.individual.net...
No.
Just kill them.
It's not so much hate these days anyway - it's evolved to utter contempt
at failure.
Utter contempt for federal incompetence.
Just kill the beaners.
Jim E
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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14 Nov 2007 09:29:17 AM |
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On Nov 14, 3:42 am, "Jim E" <YD639...@SVN.net> wrote:
No.
Just kill them.
Why all this overthinking the problem?
Jim E
Ok, Jimbo, who's "them"? Next time you stagger from your Barcalounger
into the kitchen for a cold, frosty Old Milwaukee give us a buzz.
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| User: "" |
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15 Nov 2007 11:32:39 AM |
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On Nov 14, 3:42 am, "Jim E" <YD639...@SVN.net> wrote:
No.
Just kill them.
Why all this overthinking the problem?
Far be it from me to *ever* accuse *you* of overthinking, Dim!
Bwahahahahahaha!
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