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20 Sep 2006 07:36:07 PM |
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Want to vote? Passport, please. |
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/09/want_to_vote_pa.html
September 20, 2006
Want to vote? Passport, please.
The House passed today by a largely partisan vote of 228 to 196 the
Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 which would require anyone
wanting to vote in a federal election to present polling place
officials with a government-issued photo ID.
But according to the legislation, it can’t be any old
government-issued photo ID. It must be one that proves its holder is a
U.S. citizen.
That rules out driver’s licenses since a legal, non-citizen U.S.
resident can get those. And in many states illegal immigrants can
still get drivers licenses though that is set to change in a couple of
years when the federal REAL ID Act is scheduled to take effect.
So under the legislation whose sponsor is Illinois' own Republican
Rep. Henry Hyde, a lot of people may wind up needing to take their
U.S. passports with them to vote on future election days if the FEIA
is passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush.
The legislation is an example of a cure that is worse than the
disease, critics say. They warn that large numbers of voters will be
disenfranchised because older and poor voters, among others, won’t
easily be able to obtain an unimpeachable government-issued ID.
It costs $97 to get a passport, not counting the cost of photographs.
And a passport isn’t something that a lot of Americans have. Indeed,
the State Department says only 27 percent of Americans possess one.
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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| Title: Re: Want to vote? Passport, please. |
20 Sep 2006 10:05:00 PM |
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On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0700, citizen wrote
(in article <bjn3h2ddt4qarf3lli00si07qq219da0v8@4ax.com>):
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/09/want_to_vote_pa.html
September 20, 2006
Want to vote? Passport, please.
The House passed today by a largely partisan vote of 228 to 196 the
Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 which would require anyone
wanting to vote in a federal election to present polling place
officials with a government-issued photo ID.
But according to the legislation, it can’t be any old
government-issued photo ID. It must be one that proves its holder is a
U.S. citizen.
That rules out driver’s licenses since a legal, non-citizen U.S.
resident can get those. And in many states illegal immigrants can
still get drivers licenses though that is set to change in a couple of
years when the federal REAL ID Act is scheduled to take effect.
So under the legislation whose sponsor is Illinois' own Republican
Rep. Henry Hyde, a lot of people may wind up needing to take their
U.S. passports with them to vote on future election days if the FEIA
is passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush.
The legislation is an example of a cure that is worse than the
disease, critics say. They warn that large numbers of voters will be
disenfranchised because older and poor voters, among others, won’t
easily be able to obtain an unimpeachable government-issued ID.
It costs $97 to get a passport, not counting the cost of photographs.
And a passport isn’t something that a lot of Americans have. Indeed,
the State Department says only 27 percent of Americans possess one.
< snip >
Poll taxes are illegal.
If the feds want a federally issued photo ID they will have to waive the cost
of obtaining one (it needn't be a passport).
EVERY US hospital, records a birth certificate for every birth that occurs at
the hospital.
US citizens who were NOT born in a US hospital, and whose parents didn't
bother to obtain a birth certificate for them, or whose parents died and left
an orphan without knowledge of where he or she was born, will have to make
other arraignments. Surely a country that can send a man to the moon can
figure how to prove who was born in the US or to US citizens overseas.
There will be some citizens who will be unable to obtain copies of their
birth certificate due to sloppy record keeping or fires or floods that
destroyed records issued by some hospitals (such as in New Orleans) but they
may be able to obtain proof of citizenship elsewhere (sworn affidavits by
family and long term friends, for example).
I believe that the numbers of US citizens who want to vote but can't because
they can't prove their citizenship will be overwhelmed by the numbers of
illegal aliens who will not be able to vote.
If it weren't for the overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens, this measure
would not be necessary, but the founding fathers can't be blamed for not
anticipating that the government of the US would allow tens of millions of
foreign nationals to enter the country illegally.
No system will ever be perfect. We have to chose a system that ensures the
greatest number of citizens being able to vote while preventing non-citizens,
who number in the millions, from voting.
Felons should also be allowed to vote or they should be exempt from paying
taxes.
No taxation without representation is a guiding US principle.
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| User: "Larry Hewitt" |
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| Title: Re: Want to vote? Passport, please. |
21 Sep 2006 05:37:35 AM |
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"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1374F6C0002B8C8F02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0700, citizen wrote
(in article <bjn3h2ddt4qarf3lli00si07qq219da0v8@4ax.com>):
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/09/want_to_vote_pa.html
September 20, 2006
Want to vote? Passport, please.
The House passed today by a largely partisan vote of 228 to 196 the
Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 which would require anyone
wanting to vote in a federal election to present polling place
officials with a government-issued photo ID.
But according to the legislation, it can't be any old
government-issued photo ID. It must be one that proves its holder is a
U.S. citizen.
That rules out driver's licenses since a legal, non-citizen U.S.
resident can get those. And in many states illegal immigrants can
still get drivers licenses though that is set to change in a couple of
years when the federal REAL ID Act is scheduled to take effect.
So under the legislation whose sponsor is Illinois' own Republican
Rep. Henry Hyde, a lot of people may wind up needing to take their
U.S. passports with them to vote on future election days if the FEIA
is passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush.
The legislation is an example of a cure that is worse than the
disease, critics say. They warn that large numbers of voters will be
disenfranchised because older and poor voters, among others, won't
easily be able to obtain an unimpeachable government-issued ID.
It costs $97 to get a passport, not counting the cost of photographs.
And a passport isn't something that a lot of Americans have. Indeed,
the State Department says only 27 percent of Americans possess one.
< snip >
Poll taxes are illegal.
If the feds want a federally issued photo ID they will have to waive the
cost
of obtaining one (it needn't be a passport).
EVERY US hospital, records a birth certificate for every birth that occurs
at
the hospital.
US citizens who were NOT born in a US hospital, and whose parents didn't
bother to obtain a birth certificate for them, or whose parents died and
left
an orphan without knowledge of where he or she was born, will have to make
other arraignments. Surely a country that can send a man to the moon can
figure how to prove who was born in the US or to US citizens overseas.
There will be some citizens who will be unable to obtain copies of their
birth certificate due to sloppy record keeping or fires or floods that
destroyed records issued by some hospitals (such as in New Orleans) but
they
may be able to obtain proof of citizenship elsewhere (sworn affidavits by
family and long term friends, for example).
I love how the young think!!!
Birth certificates, whule a standard way of proving US Citizenship, are
worthless.
For those of us older Americans it isn;t necessarily a case of sloppy record
keeping, but that records were kept differently. Having recently had to get
certificates for myself, my 72 yr old mother, and my 100 yr old grandmother,
I can tell you that the older you are the less reliable reecords are. My
mother . f ex. born is rural Kentucky, had the wrong birth date on her
certifiate ,it wasn;t filed by the doctor until more than 2 months after she
was born, and it was filed in a different county!!! All SOP in the '30s
I can also affirm that the security for birth certificates is WORTHLESS. To
get mine,, one issued in "modern" times, all I had to do was go to a web
site and answer a few questions about my history (where I lived, wher I
worked, etc.) No "secure" ID numbers, no signatures, nothing but a
birthdate, place of birth, and a few addresses, all matters of public
record!!
In truth, the only really secure method is a Soviet style id system.
Anything that preserves our freedom and constituion is easily broken.
Larry
I believe that the numbers of US citizens who want to vote but can't
because
they can't prove their citizenship will be overwhelmed by the numbers of
illegal aliens who will not be able to vote.
If it weren't for the overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens, this measure
would not be necessary, but the founding fathers can't be blamed for not
anticipating that the government of the US would allow tens of millions of
foreign nationals to enter the country illegally.
No system will ever be perfect. We have to chose a system that ensures
the
greatest number of citizens being able to vote while preventing
non-citizens,
who number in the millions, from voting.
Felons should also be allowed to vote or they should be exempt from paying
taxes.
No taxation without representation is a guiding US principle.
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| User: "Kevin Cunningham" |
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| Title: Re: Want to vote? Passport, please. |
21 Sep 2006 03:04:10 PM |
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"Paul Revere" <Zero@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0001HW.C1374F6C0002B8C8F02845B0@news.east.cox.net...
On Wed, 20 Sep 2006 17:36:07 -0700, citizen wrote
(in article <bjn3h2ddt4qarf3lli00si07qq219da0v8@4ax.com>):
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/09/want_to_vote_pa.html
September 20, 2006
Want to vote? Passport, please.
The House passed today by a largely partisan vote of 228 to 196 the
Federal Election Integrity Act of 2006 which would require anyone
wanting to vote in a federal election to present polling place
officials with a government-issued photo ID.
But according to the legislation, it can't be any old
government-issued photo ID. It must be one that proves its holder is a
U.S. citizen.
That rules out driver's licenses since a legal, non-citizen U.S.
resident can get those. And in many states illegal immigrants can
still get drivers licenses though that is set to change in a couple of
years when the federal REAL ID Act is scheduled to take effect.
So under the legislation whose sponsor is Illinois' own Republican
Rep. Henry Hyde, a lot of people may wind up needing to take their
U.S. passports with them to vote on future election days if the FEIA
is passed by the Senate and signed into law by President Bush.
The legislation is an example of a cure that is worse than the
disease, critics say. They warn that large numbers of voters will be
disenfranchised because older and poor voters, among others, won't
easily be able to obtain an unimpeachable government-issued ID.
It costs $97 to get a passport, not counting the cost of photographs.
And a passport isn't something that a lot of Americans have. Indeed,
the State Department says only 27 percent of Americans possess one.
< snip >
Poll taxes are illegal.
If the feds want a federally issued photo ID they will have to waive the
cost
of obtaining one (it needn't be a passport).
EVERY US hospital, records a birth certificate for every birth that occurs
at
the hospital.
US citizens who were NOT born in a US hospital, and whose parents didn't
bother to obtain a birth certificate for them, or whose parents died and
left
an orphan without knowledge of where he or she was born, will have to make
other arraignments. Surely a country that can send a man to the moon can
figure how to prove who was born in the US or to US citizens overseas.
There will be some citizens who will be unable to obtain copies of their
birth certificate due to sloppy record keeping or fires or floods that
destroyed records issued by some hospitals (such as in New Orleans) but
they
may be able to obtain proof of citizenship elsewhere (sworn affidavits by
family and long term friends, for example).
I believe that the numbers of US citizens who want to vote but can't
because
they can't prove their citizenship will be overwhelmed by the numbers of
illegal aliens who will not be able to vote.
There is no right given by the constitution that can be used to forbid an
American citizen from voting. No if, ands or buts. It is the states duty
to bring a case against an illegal voter but no requirement to show proof of
US citizenship, since the constitution was first passed it has been the
states duty to show the claimed citizen lied.
You constant allusions to getting rid of illegals is just the kind of repug
"logic" that is non-logical and self serving. Why not just say it, the good
ole days of the poll tax and literacy test were great.
Here in GA you repugs passed a voter law that has been thrown out by three
(count em) judges but you softened up the absentee voter law so now absentee
voter don't even have to be alive. Cool, now all the dead can vote for the
repug of their choice.
If it weren't for the overwhelming numbers of illegal aliens, this measure
would not be necessary, but the founding fathers can't be blamed for not
anticipating that the government of the US would allow tens of millions of
foreign nationals to enter the country illegally.
No system will ever be perfect. We have to chose a system that ensures
the
greatest number of citizens being able to vote while preventing
non-citizens,
who number in the millions, from voting.
Felons should also be allowed to vote or they should be exempt from paying
taxes.
No taxation without representation is a guiding US principle.
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