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"Richard McBride" |
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14 Nov 2003 02:08:01 PM |
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War Blogging: American Deaths in Iraq Surpass Early Vietnam Total |
November 14, 2003
According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
Since 1964 American technology has vastly improved the survivability
of combat. Kevlar body armor, improved surgical techniques and
facilities, improved armored vehicles, improved night vision and
improved tactics all help keep fatalities down. But even with this
technological edge that the modern-day Army enjoys over its 1960s
counterpart, American casualties in Iraq now exceed those in Vietnam's
early days.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
These 397 casualties have died despite the increased survivability of
combat.
A more instructive measure of combat in Iraq versus combat in Vietnam
may be a comparison of wounded rates between the two conflicts — but
I'm not aware of any such comparison available. But we do know roughly
how many have been wounded in Iraq. Stars and Stripes reported last
week that a Congressional delegation visited Landstuhl Regional
Medical Center in Germany where "more than 7,000 injured and ill
servicemembers from the Iraq war" have been treated.
Yes, that's right. More than seven thousand. Not the "one or two
thousand" that you normally hear. More than seven thousand, and at
only one facility.
As a result, military families are fighting back against Bush. A story
from the BBC today tells us that a British man who lost his son in
Iraq is walking to London from northern Wales "just to tell US
president George Bush what he thinks of his war effort." The man says
he holds Bush and Blair responsible for the death of his twenty year
old son.
British families aren't the only ones. The Imperial Valley Press
reports quite correctly that "the increasing disenchantment among
military personnel and veterans with the Bush administration's
handling of the American occupation in Iraq may create a liability for
President Bush in his 2004 re-election bid."
Of course. And even as Bush plans to meet with the families of British
soldiers who have died in Iraq he has yet to attend a single funeral
for an American servicemember killed in Iraq. Not one. Not a single
one.
And I might add that even as Bush's historical allies — military
families — are leaving him, so are America's historical allies. The
Sydney Morning Herald reports today that France and Germany are
strengthening their "common front against the United States".
This comes after Japan announced it would not be sending troops to
Iraq any time soon.
Iraq is a disaster. It's time to begin the painful process of
Iraqification. It's time to get the hell out before our casualty rates
begin resembling Vietnam after 1965.
Posted by George Paine | Comments (15) | TrackBack (0)
From the "Gulf War Redux" Department as of 10:02 AM
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| User: "Argoseth von Lutzlau" |
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| Title: Re: War Blogging: American Deaths in Iraq Surpass Early Vietnam Total |
15 Nov 2003 12:07:33 AM |
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"Richard McBride" <richmcbride@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc989fff.0311141208.7b069351@posting.google.com...
: November 14, 2003
:
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: According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
: began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
: 400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
: North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
: fatalities in that war.
:
: Since 1964 American technology has vastly improved the survivability
: of combat. Kevlar body armor, improved surgical techniques and
: facilities, improved armored vehicles, improved night vision and
: improved tactics all help keep fatalities down. But even with this
: technological edge that the modern-day Army enjoys over its 1960s
: counterpart, American casualties in Iraq now exceed those in Vietnam's
: early days.
:
: According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
: war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
: These 397 casualties have died despite the increased survivability of
: combat.
:
: A more instructive measure of combat in Iraq versus combat in Vietnam
: may be a comparison of wounded rates between the two conflicts - but
: I'm not aware of any such comparison available. But we do know roughly
: how many have been wounded in Iraq. Stars and Stripes reported last
: week that a Congressional delegation visited Landstuhl Regional
: Medical Center in Germany where "more than 7,000 injured and ill
: servicemembers from the Iraq war" have been treated.
:
: Yes, that's right. More than seven thousand. Not the "one or two
: thousand" that you normally hear. More than seven thousand, and at
: only one facility.
:
: As a result, military families are fighting back against Bush. A story
: from the BBC today tells us that a British man who lost his son in
: Iraq is walking to London from northern Wales "just to tell US
: president George Bush what he thinks of his war effort." The man says
: he holds Bush and Blair responsible for the death of his twenty year
: old son.
:
: British families aren't the only ones. The Imperial Valley Press
: reports quite correctly that "the increasing disenchantment among
: military personnel and veterans with the Bush administration's
: handling of the American occupation in Iraq may create a liability for
: President Bush in his 2004 re-election bid."
:
: Of course. And even as Bush plans to meet with the families of British
: soldiers who have died in Iraq he has yet to attend a single funeral
: for an American servicemember killed in Iraq. Not one. Not a single
: one.
:
: And I might add that even as Bush's historical allies - military
: families - are leaving him, so are America's historical allies. The
: Sydney Morning Herald reports today that France and Germany are
: strengthening their "common front against the United States".
:
: This comes after Japan announced it would not be sending troops to
: Iraq any time soon.
:
: Iraq is a disaster. It's time to begin the painful process of
: Iraqification. It's time to get the hell out before our casualty rates
: begin resembling Vietnam after 1965.
: Posted by George Paine | Comments (15) | TrackBack (0)
: From the "Gulf War Redux" Department as of 10:02 AM
The volunteers died because of a BIG F*CKIN' LIE for Bush-Chaney's personal
economic gain and Israelis' bidding. Where the hell is that an honor for
these soldiers? There is no honor to die for lies. Does any genius have a
different opinion? Please explain.
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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| Title: Re: War Blogging: American Deaths in Iraq Surpass Early Vietnam Total |
14 Nov 2003 02:30:00 PM |
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(Richard McBride) wrote in
news:cc989fff.0311141208.7b069351@posting.google.com:
November 14, 2003
Heck... why be so modest in your claims?
If you use the right time periods, you can claim that the number of
deaths exceeds that of "early" WW-II.
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Bert Hyman | St. Paul, MN |
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| User: "Right or Wrong" |
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| Title: Re: War Blogging: American Deaths in Iraq Surpass Early Vietnam Total |
15 Nov 2003 08:54:30 AM |
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YAC (yet another commie)
On 14 Nov 2003 12:08:01 -0800, (Richard
McBride) wrote:
November 14, 2003
According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
Since 1964 American technology has vastly improved the survivability
of combat. Kevlar body armor, improved surgical techniques and
facilities, improved armored vehicles, improved night vision and
improved tactics all help keep fatalities down. But even with this
technological edge that the modern-day Army enjoys over its 1960s
counterpart, American casualties in Iraq now exceed those in Vietnam's
early days.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
These 397 casualties have died despite the increased survivability of
combat.
A more instructive measure of combat in Iraq versus combat in Vietnam
may be a comparison of wounded rates between the two conflicts — but
I'm not aware of any such comparison available. But we do know roughly
how many have been wounded in Iraq. Stars and Stripes reported last
week that a Congressional delegation visited Landstuhl Regional
Medical Center in Germany where "more than 7,000 injured and ill
servicemembers from the Iraq war" have been treated.
Yes, that's right. More than seven thousand. Not the "one or two
thousand" that you normally hear. More than seven thousand, and at
only one facility.
As a result, military families are fighting back against Bush. A story
from the BBC today tells us that a British man who lost his son in
Iraq is walking to London from northern Wales "just to tell US
president George Bush what he thinks of his war effort." The man says
he holds Bush and Blair responsible for the death of his twenty year
old son.
British families aren't the only ones. The Imperial Valley Press
reports quite correctly that "the increasing disenchantment among
military personnel and veterans with the Bush administration's
handling of the American occupation in Iraq may create a liability for
President Bush in his 2004 re-election bid."
Of course. And even as Bush plans to meet with the families of British
soldiers who have died in Iraq he has yet to attend a single funeral
for an American servicemember killed in Iraq. Not one. Not a single
one.
And I might add that even as Bush's historical allies — military
families — are leaving him, so are America's historical allies. The
Sydney Morning Herald reports today that France and Germany are
strengthening their "common front against the United States".
This comes after Japan announced it would not be sending troops to
Iraq any time soon.
Iraq is a disaster. It's time to begin the painful process of
Iraqification. It's time to get the hell out before our casualty rates
begin resembling Vietnam after 1965.
Posted by George Paine | Comments (15) | TrackBack (0)
From the "Gulf War Redux" Department as of 10:02 AM
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| User: "BW" |
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| Title: Re: American Deaths in the World Trade Center attack Surpassed Early Vietnam Totals |
15 Nov 2003 09:00:58 AM |
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According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
By way of contrast, 3,000+ American civilians died in just one day alone in
the kamikazi attack by Muslim Terrorists on the World Trade Center, thus far
surpassing the early Vietnam totals.
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| User: "Marie A." |
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| Title: Re: American Deaths in the World Trade Center attack Surpassed Early Vietnam Totals |
15 Nov 2003 02:20:58 PM |
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"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<Kcrtb.155108$mZ5.1050084@attbi_s54>...
According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
By way of contrast, 3,000+ American civilians died in just one day alone in
the kamikazi attack by Muslim Terrorists on the World Trade Center, thus far
surpassing the early Vietnam totals.
BW, by any chance were a few hundred of those 3,000 the same ones the
New York Times and network news refused to show jumping to their
deaths? You know, the people that tell us we need to see the dead
bodies of American soldiers but just couldn't bring themselves around
to show the maimed and dead bodies of Americans killed by our enemies?
Those people, BW?
Cordially, Marie
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| User: "BW" |
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15 Nov 2003 04:31:09 PM |
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"Marie A." <LetEmEatWMDs@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1dc521ed.0311151220.4f6e697c@posting.google.com...
"BW" <bw4@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<Kcrtb.155108$mZ5.1050084@attbi_s54>...
According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
By way of contrast, 3,000+ American civilians died in just one day alone
in
the kamikazi attack by Muslim Terrorists on the World Trade Center, thus
far
surpassing the early Vietnam totals.
BW, by any chance were a few hundred of those 3,000 the same ones the
New York Times and network news refused to show jumping to their
deaths? You know, the people that tell us we need to see the dead
bodies of American soldiers but just couldn't bring themselves around
to show the maimed and dead bodies of Americans killed by our enemies?
Those people, BW?
Cordially, Marie
Correctamundo, Marie. Not all dead bodies are equal, as far as the Democrat
Party and their stooges in the "news" media are concerned. No, it's
definitely a Big No-No to show the dead body of an American civilian killed
by a Muslim Terrorist. But the "news" media stooges (upon counsel from the
DNC) feel it is a Very Good Thing Indeed to show the dead body of an
American soldier killed by a Muslim Terrorist.
Then again, that same "news" media generally avoids any close shots of Ted
Kennedy, for obvious reasons......
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| User: "Mr. X" |
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15 Nov 2003 10:09:27 AM |
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He is not a commie.
The war is a waste.
Bush is a jackass.
The Right IS Wrong.
"Right or Wrong" <private@private.net> wrote in message
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YAC (yet another commie)
On 14 Nov 2003 12:08:01 -0800, (Richard
McBride) wrote:
November 14, 2003
According to the Army's Center for Military History, the Vietnam War
began on December 11, 1961, when two air cavalry units consisting of
400 soldiers arrived in Vietnam to Americanize the war against the
North. From 1962 to 1964, according to Reuters, America incurred 392
fatalities in that war.
Since 1964 American technology has vastly improved the survivability
of combat. Kevlar body armor, improved surgical techniques and
facilities, improved armored vehicles, improved night vision and
improved tactics all help keep fatalities down. But even with this
technological edge that the modern-day Army enjoys over its 1960s
counterpart, American casualties in Iraq now exceed those in Vietnam's
early days.
According to Reuters 397 American troops have so far died in the Iraq
war, a conflict which is growing more similiar to Vietnam every day.
These 397 casualties have died despite the increased survivability of
combat.
A more instructive measure of combat in Iraq versus combat in Vietnam
may be a comparison of wounded rates between the two conflicts - but
I'm not aware of any such comparison available. But we do know roughly
how many have been wounded in Iraq. Stars and Stripes reported last
week that a Congressional delegation visited Landstuhl Regional
Medical Center in Germany where "more than 7,000 injured and ill
servicemembers from the Iraq war" have been treated.
Yes, that's right. More than seven thousand. Not the "one or two
thousand" that you normally hear. More than seven thousand, and at
only one facility.
As a result, military families are fighting back against Bush. A story
from the BBC today tells us that a British man who lost his son in
Iraq is walking to London from northern Wales "just to tell US
president George Bush what he thinks of his war effort." The man says
he holds Bush and Blair responsible for the death of his twenty year
old son.
British families aren't the only ones. The Imperial Valley Press
reports quite correctly that "the increasing disenchantment among
military personnel and veterans with the Bush administration's
handling of the American occupation in Iraq may create a liability for
President Bush in his 2004 re-election bid."
Of course. And even as Bush plans to meet with the families of British
soldiers who have died in Iraq he has yet to attend a single funeral
for an American servicemember killed in Iraq. Not one. Not a single
one.
And I might add that even as Bush's historical allies - military
families - are leaving him, so are America's historical allies. The
Sydney Morning Herald reports today that France and Germany are
strengthening their "common front against the United States".
This comes after Japan announced it would not be sending troops to
Iraq any time soon.
Iraq is a disaster. It's time to begin the painful process of
Iraqification. It's time to get the hell out before our casualty rates
begin resembling Vietnam after 1965.
Posted by George Paine | Comments (15) | TrackBack (0)
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