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"Harry Hope" |
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26 Oct 2005 11:27:36 AM |
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War By The Numbers |
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation’s soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn’t come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Jtm" |
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| Title: Re: War By The Numbers |
26 Oct 2005 12:11:50 PM |
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Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we sat on
our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would rather have
had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more soldiers right?
Jim
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation’s soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn’t come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: War By The Numbers |
26 Oct 2005 12:15:47 PM |
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"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:5NO7f.39529$Ta.39355@read1.cgocable.net...
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we
sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would
rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more
soldiers right?
Jim
roflmmfao Yeah, with three-quarters of his country overflown daily, he was
really on his way up.
Republicans will swallow absolutely anything.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation's soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn't come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Jim E" |
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26 Oct 2005 12:38:37 PM |
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"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@itg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
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"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we
sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you
would rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more
soldiers right?
Jim
roflmmfao Yeah, with three-quarters of his country overflown daily, he
was really on his way up.
Republicans will swallow absolutely anything.
Monica was a Republican ?
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation's soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn't come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Red Stern" |
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26 Oct 2005 12:48:06 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
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Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because
we
sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you
would rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot
more
soldiers right?
Jim
roflmmfao Yeah, with three-quarters of his country overflown daily, he
was really on his way up.
Republicans will swallow absolutely anything.
Monica was a Republican ?
No but you are. How's Bush's spunk taste?
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation's soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn't come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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26 Oct 2005 01:41:38 PM |
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"Jim E" <YD641387@SEA.net> wrote in message
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"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:5NO7f.39529$Ta.39355@read1.cgocable.net...
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because
we sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you
would rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot
more soldiers right?
Jim
roflmmfao Yeah, with three-quarters of his country overflown daily, he
was really on his way up.
Republicans will swallow absolutely anything.
Monica was a Republican ?
rofl Once again a republican shows us how to write a post using only one
brain cell.
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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26 Oct 2005 02:19:38 PM |
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ouroboros rex wrote:
"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:5NO7f.39529$Ta.39355@read1.cgocable.net...
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we
sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would
rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more
soldiers right?
Jim
roflmmfao Yeah, with three-quarters of his country overflown daily, he was
really on his way up.
Republicans will swallow absolutely anything.
Jeff Gannon has capably demonstrated that.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation's soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn't come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Jan Kalin" |
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| Title: Re: War By The Numbers |
27 Oct 2005 05:39:11 AM |
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In article <5NO7f.39529$Ta.39355@read1.cgocable.net>, Jtm wrote:
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we
sat on our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you
would rather have had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more
soldiers right?
Jim
In Cairo, on February 24 2001, Powell said: "He (Saddam Hussein) has not
developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of mass
destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbours."
Powell even boasted that it was the US policy of "containment" that had
effectively disarmed the Iraqi dictator - again the very opposite of what
Blair said time and again. On May 15 2001, Powell went further and said
that Saddam Hussein had not been able to "build his military back up or to
develop weapons of mass destruction" for "the last 10 years". America, he
said, had been successful in keeping him "in a box".
Two months later, Condoleezza Rice also described a weak, divided and
militarily defenceless Iraq. "Saddam does not control the northern part of
the country," she said. "We are able to keep his arms from him. His
military forces have not been rebuilt."
So, who's lying? Or are you suggesting that somehow in 2 years (with
constant and even increasing airplane flyovers and, I'm sure, close
satellite monitoring) Saddam went from a toothless kitten to a worldwide
threat?
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation’s soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn’t come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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01 Nov 2005 02:40:13 PM |
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Jtm wrote:
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we sat on
our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would rather have
had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more soldiers right?
Idiot. Saddam's forces were under constant watch and intermittent strikes for years.
We knew in 2001 he wouldn't be able to put up much of a fight.
http://www.state.gov/secretary/rm/2001/933.htm
Press Remarks with Foreign Minister of Egypt Amre Moussa
Secretary Colin L. Powell
Cairo, Egypt (Ittihadiya Palace)
February 24, 2001
...
He has not developed any significant capability with respect to weapons of
mass destruction. He is unable to project conventional power against his
neighbors.
...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation’s soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn’t come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Lamont Cranston" |
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| Title: Re: War By The Numbers |
26 Oct 2005 02:18:49 PM |
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Jtm wrote:
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we sat on
our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would rather have
had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more soldiers right?
Jim
Saddam wasn't even a threat to his neighbors, let alone to us.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation’s soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn’t come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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| User: "Red Stern" |
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| Title: Re: War By The Numbers |
26 Oct 2005 12:47:12 PM |
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Yeah Saddam was a real threat to the world. Sanctions rendered his armed
forces so useless, they folded in a few days.
Read a history book moron.
"Jtm" <jmeyers63@cogeco.ca> wrote in message
news:5NO7f.39529$Ta.39355@read1.cgocable.net...
Hey stupid more soldiers were lost in one day in world war two because we
sat on
our ***** and let Hitler get strong and murder Jews! Guess you would rather
have
had Saddam get that strong so we could loose a lot more soldiers right?
Jim
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:8jbvl1poh7g1fhdljb22tg2knbtch342ee@4ax.com...
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7578.shtml
War By The Numbers
By DOUG THOMPSON
Oct 26, 2005
Two thousand.
Nice round number.
Not-so-nice tragic one.
The death toll for American military personnel in the Iraq war reached
2,000 this week.
Two thousand men and women died for their country in a war that
two-thirds of the American people believe is wrong.
They died in a war that we now know was based on manufactured
intelligence and falsified claims.
They leave behind at least 3,293 surviving parents,
4,672 grandparents still alive,
5,912 brothers and sisters,
3,772 children
and 193 grandchildren.
Not to mention an unknown number of aunts, uncles, cousins and in-laws
along with uncounted fiancés, girlfriends, boyfriends and just plain
friends.
A study some years ago said an average young man or woman in this
nation has direct contact with, and influence on, at least 1,894
people by the time they turn 21.
That means some 3,668,000 who also feel the loss in a more personal
way.
We must honor those who died in this war.
There is no greater sacrifice that any man or woman can make than
laying down their life for their country.
But we cannot canonize the dead at the expense of a nation's soul.
Sadly, the America that these men and women died for is not the
America it once was.
They died not in defense of their nation or freedom but for a
political agenda built on deceit and dishonor.
They died because George W. Bush decided to launch a war without just
cause, without truth, justice or the American way.
Unfortunately, the failed war in Iraq is not the first time America
went into battle under false pretenses.
The lessons of Vietnam fell on deaf ears on Pennsylvania Avenue and on
Capitol Hill where an unscrupulous President bamboozled a
shell-shocked Congress into another war we cannot win fought on
principles we cannot justify.
The war in Iraq cannot, and will not, be won.
Like Vietnam, we will most likely leave behind a country devastated
more by our own military than the enemy we claimed to fight,
abandoning the country to postwar ravages that could surpass any
horror they faced under the tyrannical rule of Saddam Hussein.
The military men and women who make it home will return to a nation
divided by anger over being deceived by its own government -- a level
of anger not seen since Vietnam.
They will come home to a country trying to recover economically from a
war it could not afford, fought for reasons that did not exist.
Even worse, they will come home to a country that is less safe than
the one they left because the real enemies of this nation had time to
regroup while a cowboy President on a mission that not even God could
understand diverted time, money and resources to a failed, irrational
war in Iraq.
By the time the last American soldier leaves Iraq, the toll of those
who didn't come home alive will be much higher than the milestone of
2,000 reached this week.
So will the number of parents, grandparents, brothers, sisters, wives,
husbands, relatives, girlfriends, boyfriends who must face the sad,
horrible truth that their loved ones died in vain.
(The numbers of surviving relatives in this article were compiled by
researching published obituraries along with announcements issued by
the American military.)
____________________________________________________________
http://newswire.ascribe.org/cgi-bin/behold.pl?ascribeid=20051024.120319&time=13%2005%20PDT&year=2005&public=0
"The nearly 2,000 Americans killed in combat (1,998 on October 24,
2005) in Iraq since 2003 are more than were lost in Vietnam combat in
the first four years of U.S. combat (1961-1965, when just over 1800
died). This total is more than were lost in the last two years of
combat (1971-1972, when just over 1600 died)," recounts Maurice
Isserman, co-author of "America Divided: The Civil War of the 1960s."
Harry
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