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Politics > Politics-USA |
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"ABU GHRAIB" |
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27 Oct 2004 07:56:14 PM |
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War is a Sympton of Failure |
If you have to resort to war you have failed your country in that
respect. Sometimes it's necessary. Bush rushed into war. Bush is
a miserable failure of the worst sort.
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| User: "Marcello Penso" |
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| Title: Re: War is a Symptom of Failure |
28 Oct 2004 07:20:27 AM |
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In article <MPG.1be9e38f748a6b19989e12@netnews.comcast.net>,
geneva.convention@foxspews.com says...
If you have to resort to war you have failed your country in that
respect. Sometimes it's necessary. Bush rushed into war. Bush is
a miserable failure of the worst sort.
Of course Bush is a failure:
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Bush has killed:
14,000 to 16,000 innocent Iraqi civilians
3,700 Afghan civilians.
1,100+ US troops in Iraq alone (does not include 137 troops in
Afghanistan).
138 Coalition troops in Iraq (does not include 25 troops in Afghanistan)
US Military strikes killing twice as many Iraqis as insurgent strikes
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9753603.htm
Estimates put Iraqi war deaths as high as 30,000
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq9e_20040909.htm
Who counts the civilian casualties
http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0331/p15s01-wogi.html
Surveys pointing to high civilian death toll in Iraq
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0522/p01s02-woiq.html
US Charged with War Crimes
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article3466.htm
Civilian deaths in noble Iraq mission pass 10,000
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/editorial_feb0704.htm
Iraq Body Count
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
No Longer Unknowable: Falluja's April 2004 Civilian Toll is 600
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/press/index.php#pr9
Iraq's civilian casualties- October 2003
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/10/week_4/21_iraq_hilsum.html
Civilian casualties- April 2003
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/04/week_1/01_hilsum.html
Iraq: Civilian Deaths Need U.S. Investigation
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/10/iraq102103.htm
Hearts and Minds: Post-war Civilian Deaths in Baghdad Caused by U.S.
Forces
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2003/iraq1003/
Iraqi Civilians Fall Victim to Hair Triggers
http://www.hrw.org/editorials/2003/iraq102103.htm
The Wages of War: Iraqi Combatant and Noncombatant Fatalities in the
2003 Conflict
http://www.comw.org/pda/0310rm8.html
Casualties in Afghanistan & Iraq
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
A Dossier on Civilian Victims of United States' Aerial Bombing of
Afghanistan: A Comprehensive Accounting" and "A Day-to-Day Chronicle of
Afghanistan's Guerrilla and Civil War, June 2003 - Present"
http://pubpages.unh.edu/%7Emwherold/
Casualties of the conflict in Iraq since 2003
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_invasion_of_Iraq_casualties
Civilian casualties and infrastructure damage in the 2003 u.s.-led
attack on baghdad
http://inlet.org/wade/iptreports/2003apr04/
Iraq: Civilian Casualties Mount
http://www.rferl.org/features/2003/04/09042003175158.asp
Amnesty concerned about mounting toll of civilian casualties in Iraq
http://electroniciraq.net/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/10/597
Knight Ridder Scoop: Iraqi Civilian Casualties
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?
vnu_content_id=1000642386
Iraqi war deaths 'total 13,000'- October 2003
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3223523.stm
How Many Iraqis Are Dying? By One Count, 208 in a Week
http://www.occupationwatch.org/article.php?id=7355
Pentagon says it won't tally civilian casualties
http://www.gulf-news.com/Articles/news.asp?ArticleID=84438
Fox: Civilian Casualties Not News
http://www.fair.org/activism/fox-civilian-casualties.html
War Means (Almost) Never Having to Say You're Sorry: Civilian Deaths and
Official Apologies
http://www.counterpunch.org/mariner04052003.html
Disappearing the Dead: Iraq, Afghanistan, and the Idea of a "New
Warfare"
http://www.comw.org/pda/0402rm9.html
The West?s disregard for Afghani civilian casualties
http://www.robert-fisk.com/faisal_jan2002.htm
Tragic Errors in U.S. Military Policy
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/War_Peace/Tragic_Errors_Military.html
Mourning One?s Own
http://www.architectureink.com/tirade/mourning.htm
U.S.: Hundreds of Civilian Deaths in Iraq Were Preventable: Cluster
Munitions, ?Decapitation? Attacks Condemned
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/12/us-iraq-press.htm
The Surgical Precision Myth: After the Bomb Explodes
http://www.providence.edu/mba/goodrich/war/surgical/
"Change the channel"
- Brig. Gen. Mark Kimmitt's advice to Iraqis who see TV images of
innocent civilians killed by coalition troops.
[NYT 12th April 2004]
Bush has violated Geneva Conventions:
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/12/us-iraq-press.htm
http://www.providence.edu/mba/goodrich/war/surgical/
Bush has waged two wars with civilian casualty rates almost twice as
high as Kosovo or Gulf War I
(500 and 2,500-3,000 civilian casualties respectively):
http://www.comw.org/pda/0402rm9.html
All in the name of oil:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/2003companiesiniraq.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/12heart.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/irqindx.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1008-23.htm
And war profiteering / chronyism in the hundreds of millions to billions
of tax payer dollars:
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/updates/081203.html
http://www.publici.org/wow/report.aspx?aid=366&sid=100
http://www.publici.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=345&sid=100
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11560
And:
Osama bin Laden is still on the loose.
Mullah Omar is still on the loose.
Zarqawi is on the loose (though Bush had 3 different opportunities to
kill him)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/
If you really have a conscience:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm
don't vote for Bush, the 11th century 'crusader', whose only legacy
would be:
wrecking the lives of thousands of Afghan civilians
wrecking the lives of thousands of Iraqi civilians in the name of oil
wrecking the lives of thousands of US troops in the name of oil
wrecking the federal budget (from a surplus to a massive deficit)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104753.html
wrecking the economy (net job loss, tax cuts for the rich,
inequality, low wages, highest gas prices of all time- AFTER Iraq is
'liberated')
http://www.aflcio.org/yourjobeconomy/todayseconomy/jobgrowth.cfm
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/pr_2004_0825.pdf
http://www.cepr.net/columns/weisbrot/mark_weisbrot_7_26_04.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6153860/
www.iea.org/Textbase/Papers/2004/High_Oil_Prices.pdf
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2
&u=/afp/20040928/bs_afp/oil_us_economy
http://www.opednews.com/goodenVanHorn_090204_econ.htm
wrecking healthcare (more uninsured, high medical costs, higher drug
costs)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1215/p21s01-coop.html
wrecking the environment (ignoring/repealing all sorts of environmental
statutes)
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2004.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2003.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2001.asp
wrecking international treaties
http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/violatinginternationaltreaties.htm
http://www.iatp.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0720-03.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0810-05.htm
wrecking the world's opinion of the US
polarizing the nation
wrecking the division between church and state
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-01-29-bush-religion_x.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0131/p02s01-uspo.html
wrecking voter confidence
failing to act on AlQaeda intelligence prior to 9-11
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec03/intel_07-24.html
presiding over some of the worst economic scandals in history without
adequate proescution (Enron, et. al. immunity granted to some)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0213/p02s02-usju.html
http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/1012/p03s01-usec.html
flipflopping on Osama bin Laden; Homeland Security; 9-11 commission;
steel tariffs; nation building; on reasons to go to war in Iraq; and
many many other significant issues
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954
oh, and did I mention Bush's legacy of lying?
http://www.factcheck.orgBush has killed:
13,000 to 15,000 innocent Iraqi civilians
3,700 Afghan civilians.
1,100+ US troops in Iraq alone (does not include 137 troops in
Afghanistan).
138 Coalition troops in Iraq (does not include 25 troops in Afghanistan)
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9753603.htm
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq9e_20040909.htm
http://www.comw.org/pda/0310rm8.html
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/editorial_feb0704.htm
http://www.iraqbodycount.net/database/
http://www.unknownnews.net/casualties.html
http://pubpages.unh.edu/%7Emwherold/
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/9753603.htm
http://www.freep.com/news/nw/iraq9e_20040909.htm
Bush has violated Geneva Conventions:
http://www.hrw.org/press/2003/12/us-iraq-press.htm
http://www.providence.edu/mba/goodrich/war/surgical/
Bush has waged two wars with civilian casualty rates almost twice as
high as Kosovo or Gulf War I
(500 and 2,500-3,000 civilian casualties respectively):
http://www.comw.org/pda/0402rm9.html
All in the name of oil:
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2003/2003companiesiniraq.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/oil/2002/12heart.htm
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/irqindx.htm
http://www.gulfwarvets.com/aiding.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1008-23.htm
And war profiteering / chronyism in the hundreds of millions to billions
of tax payer dollars:
http://www.worldpolicy.org/projects/arms/updates/081203.html
http://www.publici.org/wow/report.aspx?aid=366&sid=100
http://www.publici.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=345&sid=100
http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=11560
And:
Osama bin Laden is still on the loose.
Mullah Omar is still on the loose.
Zarqawi is on the loose (though Bush had 3 different opportunities to
kill him)
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/
If you really have a conscience:
http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_page1.htm
don't vote for Bush, the 11th century 'crusader', whose only legacy
would be:
wrecking the lives of thousands of Afghan civilians
wrecking the lives of thousands of Iraqi civilians in the name of oil
wrecking the lives of thousands of US troops in the name of oil
wrecking the federal budget (from a surplus to a massive deficit)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104753.html
wrecking the economy (net job loss, tax cuts for the rich,
inequality, low wages, highest gas prices of all time- AFTER Iraq is
'liberated')
http://www.aflcio.org/yourjobeconomy/todayseconomy/jobgrowth.cfm
http://www.johnkerry.com/pdf/pr_2004_0825.pdf
http://www.cepr.net/columns/weisbrot/mark_weisbrot_7_26_04.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6153860/
www.iea.org/Textbase/Papers/2004/High_Oil_Prices.pdf
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2
&u=/afp/20040928/bs_afp/oil_us_economy
http://www.opednews.com/goodenVanHorn_090204_econ.htm
wrecking healthcare (more uninsured, high medical costs, higher drug
costs)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/1215/p21s01-coop.html
wrecking the environment (ignoring/repealing all sorts of environmental
statutes)
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2004.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2003.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2002.asp
http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord/2001.asp
wrecking international treaties
http://www.unitedstatesgovernment.net/violatinginternationaltreaties.htm
http://www.iatp.org/
http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0720-03.htm
http://www.commondreams.org/views02/0810-05.htm
wrecking the world's opinion of the US
polarizing the nation
wrecking the division between church and state
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2003-01-29-bush-religion_x.htm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0131/p02s01-uspo.html
wrecking voter confidence
failing to act on AlQaeda intelligence prior to 9-11
http://www.mediamonitors.net/mosaddeq36.html
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/congress/july-dec03/intel_07-24.html
presiding over some of the worst economic scandals in history without
adequate proescution (Enron, et. al. immunity granted to some)
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0213/p02s02-usju.html
http://search.csmonitor.com/search_content/1012/p03s01-usec.html
flipflopping on Osama bin Laden; Homeland Security; 9-11 commission;
steel tariffs; nation building; on reasons to go to war in Iraq; and
many many other significant issues
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/28/politics/main646142.shtml
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/3/7/213753/1954
oh, and did I mention Bush's legacy of lying?
http://www.factcheck.org
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