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I saw it on TV so it must be true. Right??!! RIGHT?????!!!!!!
The Russians knew that landing on the moon was a HOAX> Russians chose let it
fly, they knew that the truth (at the end) will prevail. "Landing on the
moon" was by far the biggest HOAX of twenty century!
sorry
Russians beat you again
Russia Continues to Surpass Americans in the Space Race
Cosmonauts May Soon Add
On July 25, 1969, many Americans watched their televisions in awe as
astronaut Neil Armstrong walked on the moon and said, "One small step for
man, one giant leap for mankind." Americans were amazed at what advances in
technology had produced: a man on the moon. Ticker tape parades greeted
returning astronauts. America had proven itself a leader in the space race.
Lately, some have begun to suggest that this was not the case at all; some
people have suggested that America never made it to the moon and that it was
just an illusion made with trick photography. Bart Sibrel is one of those
people. He made a video called, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the
Moon," in which he provides much documentation to suggest that man has yet
to walk on the moon. Is this possible? Could have America faked the entire
moon landing?
On first thought, it might sound ludicrous for many--to think that man has
not walked on the moon. After all, it would require such a grand conspiracy
that, certainly, someone who was privy to such information would have
spoken. Nevertheless, there are those who are skeptical of this
moon-walking.
Surprisingly, some of the ideas presented by them are not as preposterous as
they might sound. Based on surveys, it has been estimated that between 6
and 20 percent of Americans do not believe a man actually walked on the
moon. Are 6-20 percent of Americans fools, or are they a little brighter
than the rest?
In order to fully understand the claim that man did not walk on the moon,
the events leading up to this event that most Americans consider an historic
fact must be re-examined and scrutinized. We must go back in time, when the
space race between Russia (or the Soviet Union, as it was known then) first
started. By doing this, I feel that you will better understand the
arguments both for and against the claim of man walking on the moon.
What I present here may shock many fellow Americans, as we generally view
our nation and its space exploration program as being, by far, superior to
that of all other nations. After all, we were the first nation to have "a
man walk on the moon" (or so we believe). While this might possibly be true
that America was the first nation to have a man walk on the moon (though
there is evidence to suggest otherwise). As difficult as it may be for many
to admit, this appears to be the only "first" America had in the great space
race.
If we are to be honest, during the "space race" from the late-1950s until
the time American astronauts were to have walked on the moon, Russia was
utterly devastating America. This was probably both due to the fact that
Russians were highly educated and the fact that, with Russia's strict
Communist leadership at the time, failure was not an option. And Russia's
society encouraged intelligence, whereas America's society has
beenencouraging a host of things--such as artying and irresponsibility--none
of which promoted intelligence.
In 1957, America was astonished, as was the rest of the world, when it was
discovered that a Russian satellite, Sputnik, had gone into outer space.
People were absolutely amazed that such a device made it into outer space.
Not only was the scientific community of America in awe, but so too was the
American military, who were greatly concerned about Russia having the
ability to put such a device in outer space.
Later that year, Russia again made a first, when a small dog, Laika (which
means "barker"), was launched into outer space. This again sent shockwaves
throughout the world. Americans heard about this and were astonished that a
dog went into outer space. This dog was actually put into orbit, and
unfortunately died 6 hours later while in space, not being able to withstand
the rigors involved.
Meanwhile, in 1957, while America stood shocked at Russia's progress,
America attempted to launch its own satellite into outer space. This was
meant to show the Russians that America too was a contender in the space
race. A satellite was to accompany the rocket, which had been tested for
stress. America felt everything was prepared. But the rocket blew up at
the launch pad, never leaving the ground. It was an international
embarrassment.
In 1959, trying to copy what Russia had done two years prior, America was
finally getting an animal into outer space. A couple of monkeys went up
only 300 miles for just 15 minutes total. This, of course, was a far cry
from the orbit in which the Russian dog was put two years previous. However,
the monkeys did return alive.
While America was sending rockets up for 15 minutes in 1959, Russia was
again making shockwaves when its satellite Luna-1 flew by the moon. Later
in 1959, the Russian satellite Luna-2 reached the moon's surface and left
national symbols of the then-USSR. Again in 1959, the satellite Luna-3 made
another first for Russia, when it took pictures of the far side of the moon,
transmitting these pictures back to Russia.
Russia also had the first space probe to circle the earth.
A couple years later in 1961, Russia then became the first country to have a
man orbit the earth, Yuri Gagarin, who road aboard the space craft Vostok.
This again astonished the international community, who were surprised that
such a feat never tried before could be accomplished. While the Russians
were orbiting the earth, the American Alan Shepard was launched just 115
miles into space, not even going close to the distance Russia's dog had
traveled two years prior; and he landed in the Atlantic Ocean 15 minutes
later. Meanwhile, Russia again had nother first in 1961, when its
interplanetary probe Venera-1 was launched to Venus.
In 1962, America became the second country to have a man of its own in orbit
around the earth, John Glenn. Parades greeted John Glenn when he returned.
Due to his notoriety, he later became a U.S. Senator because Americans care
more for celebrity status than fit politicians.
President John F. Kennedy at this time said America would have a man on the
Moon by the end of the decade. He was later assassinated in 1964, leaving
his dream of having a man on the moon to be fulfilled by others.
In 1962, Russia was the first nation to have two rockets with cosmonauts in
outer space at the same time. It was known as the first "formation flying"
in space when the two manned spacecraft, Vostok-3 and Vostok-4, traveled
near each other in unison.
In 1963 Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first woman in
space. She was aboard the Vostok-6. Not only was this significant by the
fact that she was a woman, but she was also just a regular person, who had
worked at a textile factory. So she was also the first public citizen in
space, not being the typical cosmonaut.
In 1964, trying to duplicate what Russia had done back in 1959, America
launched the Ranger VII, which took pictures of the moon and then
crash-landed into it. Nevertheless, it did send some interesting images of
the moon, close-up images that attracted a great deal of curiosity to
Americans, who might have only been able to have seen such images if Russia
had shared theirs.
In 1964, Russia became the first nation to have launched two satellites,
Elektron-1 and Electron-2, while just using one rocket.
In 1965, tragedy struck when the American rocket Atlas blew up on the launch
pad, causing incredible damage. This terrible event sent a chill up many
potential astronauts' backs. It re-emphasized the importance of safety
precautions. Some feel that this accident was not quite that--that it may
have very well have ended that way due to some astronauts not wanting to go
along with a plan; in short, some feel they were assassinated by their very
own government. It is not known what evidence such thoughts are based on,
however, if any.
Russia too had a disaster related to safety at a different time, in which
many engineers died. This had occurred several years prior. Nevertheless,
over the years, Russia has shown itself to be much, much safer in its space
flights and landings than America.
In the year that America's rocket was smoldering on the launch pad, on March
18, 1965, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov took the first space walk, a ten-minute
tethered excursion outside Voshkod 2. On June 3, 1965, Edward White II is
the first American to walk in space on Gemini 4, though not as far out
in>space. He stayed out for 22 minutes
In 1966, Neil Armstrong and other astronauts went in space aboard the Gemini
VIII and Agina. They met amid outer space and docked. Later, a malfunction
with Armstrong's rocket caused him to return to earth prematurely, but
fortunately no one was injured.
Meanwhile in 1966, Russia became the first nation to have an unmanned space
probe, the Lunar IX, to actually land softly on the moon. It transmitted
pictures from its surface back to earth. Also in 1966, the Venera-3 became
the first spacecraft to reach the surface of Venus. National symbols of the
USSR were left there. In 1966, Russia had the first satellite put in orbit
around the moon, the Lunar X space probe.
In 1967, Russia had the first two unmanned spacecrafts that automatically
met in space then docked and undocked.
Also in 1967, tragedy struck three American astronauts who died while
sitting inside a rocket. Their capsule burst into flames. The reason why
it caught fire is largely unknown; it is thought to have started as the
result of a spark of unknown origin that was somehow able to ignite the
extremely well-insulated fuel tanks. Again, some feel that there may be
more to this incident than we currently know.
In 1968, Russia's unmanned rocket Zond-5 became the first to travel around
the moon and return back to earth unscathed. Russia was the first to have a
manned spacecraft orbit the earth, Vostok, several years prior. Russia had
already showed the world that it was the first to have an unmanned
spacecraft, the Lunar IX, softly land on the moon, and now it showed the
world that it could even have an unmanned spacecraft circle the moon and
return, with Zond-5.
Why didn't Russia then send up a man on one of its spacecrafts to the moon?
It would have seemed simple enough. I'll get to this later.
1969 - Again, Russia had another first: The first docking of manned
spacecraft (Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5), and crew transfer from one spacecraft to
the other through open space.
1969 - Still another first for Russia occurred: The first formation flying
of three manned spacecraft, Soyuz-6, Souyz-7 and Soyuz-8, during which they
maneuvered relatively close to each other, with ground facilities providing
simultaneous support for the three spacecraft.
Meanwhile, in America, the end of the decade was approaching. The
late-President John F. Kennedy's dream was becoming just that: a dream.
Violence gripped America, with the war in Viet Nam and racial riots across
America's cities. America's leaders were desperately looking for
"heroes"--some people to keep the public's minds off of the problems at
home. America was looking for something to distract Americans from the
failing policies. America's leaders wanted to show the world that its
insane policies were a match to the highly educated Russians and their
orderly society. While America's wars at home and abroad were causing much
turmoil, America desperately needed some "pride"--anything for which to be
proud.
Russians had wanted to go to the moon. However, there were many concerns
with safety. The Van Allen Belts released a deadly radiation that could
easily fry a person to death. Plus, the moon is 250,000 miles away--quite a
distance. While I'm not familiar with how fast the rockets were, traveling
at 1,200 miles per hour, it would be approximately a 20-day journey each
way, provided there were no problems. Even at 2-3 times that speed, it
would still be a difficult journey. The amount of fuel required would be
staggering, with the added weight of people, food, air, supplies, etc. Yet
somehow, these rockets managed to go much, much faster in a zero atmosphere
with nothing with which to propel? Perhaps, the speed is possible, yet one
cannot deny the deadly radiation rays out in space known as the Van Allen
Belts.
One cosmonaut who was sent in far outer space reportedly experienced the Van
Allen Belts harmful effects firsthand. According to various sources, while
he left white, he came back black; he was cooked to a crisp due to the
harmful radiation. This was despite heavy shielding to dissipate any rays,
which did no good. Those who knew about this incident were reportedly
devastated.
Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, as Americans and the rest of the world stood
in front of their televisions, two astronauts stepped on the moon in 1969.
Up until then, America was putting people about 400 miles away in orbit--far
away from the harmful Van Allen Belts. But suddenly Americans made it into
outer space--landing and walking on the moon--250,000 miles away, no less?
In 1965, the U.S. made a fake moon landscape, which was used for testing a
space vehicle. Some have suggested the scenery for the moon landing was
faked. Could this have been it?
Russia seemed to continue to have "firsts"--except for the moon landing. On
April 19, 1971, they had the first Space Station. The Soviets launch Salyut
1, the first orbiting space station. Salyut 1's original crew reportedly
died during re-entry on June 30, 1971. Georgi Bobroeolski, Vladislav Volkov,
and Victor Patsayev had spent a new record of 23 days in outer space.
It wasn't for two more years that the first American Space Station--May 14,
1973--was developed. The first American space station, Skylab, is damaged
during launch. The first of three crews arrive 11 days later for a 28-day
stay. They make in-orbit repairs and set records for time spent in space.
Russia had the first woman, Svetlana Savitskaya, to participate in a space
walk on July 17, 1984. With her partner, Vladimir Dzhanibekov, she
conducted welding experiments for over three hours outside the Soviet space
station Salyut 7. Savitskaya had become the second woman to fly in space
during a Soviet mission in 1982.
There were all these "firsts" by Russia. Yet Russia has yet to land a man
on the moon? Why? While people seldom hear about it, nor do they listen
even if so, Russian Cosmonaut Boris Volynov has gone on record saying that
he does not believe that Americans landed on the moon. It seems he is far
from the only one to think this way. Indeed, it is doubtful he is the only
cosmonaut to feel this way.
Further, one astronaut--Neil Armstrong, the first man to walk on the
moon--has confirmed some doubts. This is not to say that he supports the
contention that man did not land on the moon. He is an astronaut, after
all. He probably enjoys the notoriety. And you have to wonder if some of
the past astronauts might have been given the death sentence for planning to
go on record about such things? Or were there merely some bad "accidents"?
Whatever the case may be, Armstrong is getting older. And he does seemingly
admit that something is amiss.
Indeed, there is definitely something wrong here. If you take a moment to
view video footage of the moon landing by U.S. astronauts from back in the
1960s, you'll notice that the dust kicked up by astronauts immediately
settles down, just as if it was sand on the beach. Yet we all know that not
only does the moon have less gravity, but it also has zero-atmosphere.
Therefore, the moon dust should travel further given the force and little to
counteract it. Yet, for some strange, unexplained reason, the moon dust
resettles back to the ground at the same gravitational rate of 32 ft./sec.
as the earth.
In a letter I received back from the astronaut Armstrong, which asked him
about this strange fact of the same gravitational pull on both the moon and
earth, the response I was sent surprisingly admitted that, yes, the
gravitational pull should be different. Of course, Armstrong didn't come
right out and admit that this was the case. That might be the death
sentence for him--similar to what 3 other U.S. astronauts experienced in the
1960s when their simulated rocket mysteriously blew up during a ground test?
Oh, it was just an accident? It makes you pause for a moment.
Now, of course, it looks like the race to Mars has begun. U.S. President
George W. Bush has stated that, perhaps, man will walk on Mars by the year
2020. Bush stated that NASA may send astronauts to the moon again so that
they may experience the effects of space travel shortly before sending them
to Mars.
But if you look at the facts, you really have to wonder: Has man made it to
the moon yet?
PLASMA!!! PLASMA!!!! PLAAAAAAASSSSSSMMMMMMAAAAA!!!
Ooops, sorry. I was having a Plautus flashback.
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User: "George"
Title: Wartholio bangs his head against the wall, and asks "why don't they believe me"! Was: Re: Warhol bangs the Moon Hoax one more time .......	04 Feb 2004 01:24:57 PM

"Warhol" <molarh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I saw it on TV so it must be true. Right??!! RIGHT?????!!!!!!

Wartholio bangs his head against the wall, and asks "why don't they believe
me"!
Because it is a ***** story, and your are a dork!
.

User: "Jay Windley"
Title: Re: Warhol bangs the Moon Hoax one more time .......	04 Feb 2004 03:12:25 PM

(Cribbed from PRAVDA)
"Warhol" <molarh@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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|
| The Russians knew that landing on the moon was a HOAX
If so, they're keeping it a better secret than the Americans.
| Bart Sibrel is one of those people.
Bart Sibrel is a profiteering ignoramus. He's a part-time video cameraman
who now thinks he's an expert on space travel.
| What I present here may shock many fellow Americans...
Especially those who don't follow the author's preconceptions.
| If we are to be honest, during the "space race" from the late-1950s
| until the time American astronauts were to have walked on the moon,
| Russia was utterly devastating America.
For half that period, yes. Beginning in 1967 the U.S. held the important
space records such as cumulative time in space, most reliable boosters,
duration of space missions, rendezvous, etc. The Russians have now told us
that most of their early successes were basically just publicity stunts.
They weren't really developing a working space program. They were staging
bold stunts intended to embarrass the United States.
| with Russia's strict Communist leadership at the time, failure
| was not an option.
That's why all the failures were concealed and we're just now learning about
them now.
| But the rocket blew up at the launch pad, never leaving the
| ground. It was an international embarrassment.
Agreed, but he forgot the part where von Braun had been arguing for two
years that the Jupiter rocket could put a satellite in orbit. Of course,
until Sputnik there just wasn't much interest in flying satellites. It was
a low-priority goal. Then after Sputnik, many people raised concerns that
von Braun was still little more than a prisoner of war with some useful
skills. They didn't want America's first satellite launched using a Nazi
rocket. It had to be an American rocket, and so they piddled around with
the Vanguard until it became clear it was more trouble than it was worth.
I'll grant the author that the U.S. fell behind, but it was not because they
lacked the technical understanding.
| While America was sending rockets up for 15 minutes in 1959,
| Russia was again making shockwaves when its satellite Luna-1
| flew by the moon.
These ended up being little more than publicity stunts. While they indeed
made a great public display, they were hurriedly assembled and did not
contribute much to a space program. So fumble-fingered were they that Luna
3's pictures were first intercepted by Western receivers before the Soviets
could see them.
| A couple years later in 1961, Russia then became the first country
| to have a man orbit the earth, Yuri Gagarin, who road aboard the
| space craft Vostok.
Agreed. However the Soviets kept secret the fact that Gagarin had ejected
from his capsule before landing, invalidating the record officially. No
doubt they had actually orbited a man, and no doubt that Gagarin fulfilled
the spirit of the challenge if not the letter of it. But if the author's
aim is to directly compare the Soviet and American space programs, the
reasons for defying the letter of the rule become important: the Soviets
had not yet figured out how to make a capsule that could land. They had
only solved two-thirds of the problem, whereas the American Mercury capsule,
which flew admittedly a few months later, solved all the associated
problems. It was better technology, and not all that much later. The
Soviets had rushed an impartial solution into orbit just to claim the
record.
| In 1962, Russia was the first nation to have two rockets with cosmonauts
in
| outer space at the same time. It was known as the first "formation
flying"
| in space when the two manned spacecraft, Vostok-3 and Vostok-4, traveled
| near each other in unison.
This is often billed as the "first rendezvous" in space, but in fact neither
cosmonaut had the ability to substantially change his orbit once
established. The feat was accomplished simply by timing very carefully the
launch of the second spacecraft so that it went into a compatible orbit.
At the same time the cosmonauts were "flying formation" in little more than
pressurized cannonballs, the Americans were doing precision piloted
manuevers including orbital rendezvous.
| In 1963 Russian cosmonaut Valentina Tereshkova became the first
| woman in space.
Full points for equal rights, but why does this make the Soviet space
program more capable than the American space program?
| Not only was this significant by the fact that she was a woman,
| but she was also just a regular person, who had worked at a textile
| factory.
And that's why she flunked all the rocket science portions of cosmonaut
training and why Korolev did not allow her even to touch the controls of her
spacecraft. She was little more than cargo.
| In 1964, Russia became the first nation to have launched
| two satellites, Elektron-1 and Electron-2, while just using
| one rocket.
Good for them. During this period we were launching manned spacecraft into
orbit and doing useful work intended to apply directly to Apollo.
| In 1965, tragedy struck when the American rocket Atlas blew up
| on the launch pad, causing incredible damage.
Why does the author single out only one Atlas failure, and in 1965? He's
obviously unaware that the Atlas failures were the ICBM version, not the
man-rated NASA version. Is he aware that NASA was using the safer Titan
rockets for much of its work during that period?
And as long as he's speculating about astronaut misgivings, talk about the
complaints of cosmonauts being used basically as guinea pigs for the Soviet
publicity stunts?
| Nevertheless, over the years, Russia has shown itself to be much,
| much safer in its space flights and landings than America.
That has nothing to do with the 1960s or the period leading up to Apollo.
During the 1960s the Soviet space program led the Americans in fatalities
and failed launches.
The author started by arguing that the Soviets were more innovative. Now
he's trying to argue safety, which has come about in the Soviet program by
limiting innovation. Make up your mind.
| ...on March 18, 1965, Cosmonaut Alexei Leonov took the first space
| walk, a ten-minute tethered excursion outside Voshkod 2.
Yet another publicity stunt. Leonov nearly killed himself in the process.
The capsule had to be fitted with a makeshift airlock because the cabin
couldn't be vented. It couldn't be vented because it was too small for two
astronauts to occupy while both wearing space suits. It was too small
because it was little more than a hurriedly redesigned one-man capsule. The
only way Leonov could squeeze into the too-small airlock was to deflate his
suit to the point of near flaccidity.
In contrast when Ed White made his space walk a few months later, it was
aboard a spacecraft designed from the start to accommodate two men. Again,
clearly better technology.
| In 1967, Russia had the first two unmanned spacecrafts that
| automatically met in space then docked and undocked.
This, of course, was after the Americans had already perfected rendezvous.
| Also in 1967, tragedy struck three American astronauts who
| died while sitting inside a rocket. Their capsule burst into
| flames. The reason why it caught fire is largely unknown;
Not if you read the report of the accident.
| ...a spark of unknown origin that was somehow able to ignite
| the extremely well-insulated fuel tanks.
Huh? The rocket was unfueled. The fuel tanks had nothing to do with it.
The combustion involved non flight qualified material permitted during the
test, burning in a pure oxygen environment.
| Again, some feel that there may be more to this incident than
| we currently know.
Cue eerie music. The incident was thoroughly investigated. That hasn't
stopped the malcontents and those predisposed to see conspiracy in
everything. But they are woefully short of evidence.
| ...now it showed the world that it could even have an
| unmanned spacecraft circle the moon and return, with Zond-5.
Red herring. I can orbit a basketball around the moon; that's just clever
ballistics. The trick is keeping the crew alive and going in and out of
lunar orbit at will. And this is what the Americans did very shortly
thereafter, and what the Soviets were never able to do.
| Why didn't Russia then send up a man on one of its spacecrafts
| to the moon?
Because it's far simpler to orbit dead hardware than live astronauts.
| 1969 - Again, Russia had another first: The first docking
| of manned spacecraft (Soyuz-4 and Soyuz-5), and crew transfer
| from one spacecraft to the other through open space.
No brainer. The hard part is not going between spacecraft. The hard part
is getting them together at will. This is just one of Sibrel's made-up
"records", like "The first flight of a left-handed Elvis impersonator who
lisps."
| 1969 - Still another first for Russia occurred: The first formation
| flying of three manned spacecraft
Again a no-brainer. Once you've solved the rendezvous problem, you've
solved it. How many times you do it is irrelevant.
| with ground facilities providing simultaneous support for
| the three spacecraft.
Because, unlike American spacecraft, all the computations had to be done on
the ground and radioed up to the spacecraft. American spacecraft could dock
autonomously.
| Meanwhile, in America, the end of the decade was approaching.
| The late-President John F. Kennedy's dream was becoming just
| that: a dream.
Yes, Sibrel uses this polemical tactic to predispose you to believe that
America was demoralized and desperate.
| Russians had wanted to go to the moon. However, there were
| many concerns with safety. The Van Allen Belts released a
| deadly radiation that could easily fry a person to death.
Only if you were continuously within them for a week or so. A two- or
three-hour traversal is immaterial. Further, the Soviets had previously
sent live specimens around the moon and back. They knew exactly what the
risks were and were quite happily building spacecraft to those
specifications.
| While I'm not familiar with how fast the rockets were
I am.
| traveling at 1,200 miles per hour...
Straw man. The actual speeds were an order of magnitude faster.
| The amount of fuel required would be staggering...
Why? You don't burn the engine constantly during the trip.
| ...these rockets managed to go much, much faster in a zero atmosphere
| with nothing with which to propel?
LOL! The author must have flunked high school physics. Go look up Newton's
third law of motion.
| ...one cannot deny the deadly radiation rays out in space
| known as the Van Allen Belts.
How about some dosage figures?
| One cosmonaut who was sent in far outer space reportedly
| experienced the Van Allen Belts harmful effects firsthand.
| According to various sources, while he left white, he came
| back black
LOL! Whoever fabricated that story knows nothing about radiation exposure.
| This was despite heavy shielding to dissipate any rays,
| which did no good.
Any pictures or construction drawings of the spacecraft that's supposed to
have "heavy shielding"? Because all the Soviet designs I've seen look
typically thin-walled.
| Then, suddenly, out of nowhere, as Americans and the rest
| of the world stood in front of their televisions, two astronauts
| stepped on the moon in 1969.
It wasn't "sudden" and it wasn't "out of nowhere". It was after successful
Mercury and Gemini programs that, eventually, took back all the important
space achievements and -- in contrast to Soviet grandstanding -- actually
developed the skills necessary to land on the moon. It was also after
Apollo 8, which finally convinced the Soviets that America was going to get
there first.
| In 1965, the U.S. made a fake moon landscape, which was used
| for testing a space vehicle. Some have suggested the scenery
| for the moon landing was faked. Could this have been it?
Dunno. Could it?
| On April 19, 1971, they had the first Space Station.
That's because they abandoned their moon landing efforts and turned their
attention to something they could actualy do.
| Yet Russia has yet to land a man on the moon? Why?
Because they couldn't be the first to do it, and that's all they were
interested in. We all know about Lucky Lindy, but who was the second man to
fly solo nonstop across the Atlantic?
| Russian Cosmonaut Boris Volynov has gone on record saying that
| he does not believe that Americans landed on the moon.
The only record I've seen is the PRAVDA article from which this post was
cribbed.
| It seems he is far from the only one to think this way.
It hasn't even been established that he thinks this way.
| Indeed, it is doubtful he is the only cosmonaut to feel
| this way.
The only cosmonaut comments I've seen on the matter confirm that Apollo
succeeded. Still waiting for evidence that *any* cosmonaut buys into the
moon hoax theory.
| This is not to say that he [Neil Armstrong] supports the
| contention that man did not land on the moon.
Armstrong asserts that he did walk on the moon. His claims are clear.
Trying to read something different into his other statements is
disingenuous.
| He probably enjoys the notoriety.
No, he doesn't. He hates every minute of it.
| And you have to wonder if some of the past astronauts might
| have been given the death sentence for planning to go on record
| about such things?
Circular. You can wonder if such a threat existed, or you can just take
factual note that no evidence of any such threat can be demonstrated.
"There's a conspiracy to keep me from uncovering evidence of the other
conspiracy."
| Yet, for some strange, unexplained reason, the moon dust
| resettles back to the ground at the same gravitational rate
| of 32 ft./sec. as the earth.
Not in any of the videos I've seen. In fact, the dust behavior is one of
the tell-tale bits of evidence. I can't get dust to behave like that on
earth.
| In a letter I received back from the astronaut Armstrong,
| ... the response I was sent surprisingly admitted that, yes,
| the gravitational pull should be different.
But did the author ask him specifically about the dust? May we see this
letter?
| That might be the death sentence for him
Maybe Armstrong didn't "come right out" and confirm the conspiracy theory
because he wasn't specifically asked about the conspiracy theory. If the
PRAVDA author draws a specious conclusion based upon poor inference from a
premise, and some authority is invoked to establish only the premise, the
authority can't be held responsible for the specious reasoning the author
has then piled upon it.
| ...when their simulated rocket mysteriously blew up
AS-204 was not a "simulated rocket".
| But if you look at the facts, you really have to wonder: Has man
| made it to the moon yet?
Only if you carefully pick and choose which facts you pay attention to.
--
|
The universe is not required to conform | Jay Windley
to the expectations of the ignorant. | webmaster @ clavius.org
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Title: Re: Warhol bangs the Moon Hoax one more time .......	05 Feb 2004 10:03:35 AM

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i would like to order two herrings salted and with unions

plse

For hearings you must ask Bionic Rat, He got the Fish section

i doubt they are not fresh anymore

Just like you like it.

how do you know you probably donot even know how a salted herring

look

That is correct. I eat salmon (in other words, real fish).

http://www.tijdvoorvis.nl/viskookboek_weekrecept.asp?ID=217

You might as well be eating goldfish, dork.

you are to stupid to understand the beautiful dutch language there there

a picture and to improve you iq a little more
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mail.dougout/nlguides/food.html about traditional
dutch food there are even recipies mentioned so you will be able to get
finally a descent meal

Salted liquorice sweets ("drop") are enormously popular and come in many
varieties.

Yeah, I've heard this tastes like toe jam. And of course, you should be
shot for eating horse meat, dork.

hahahahahahaha what else can we do with them learning them to swim in the
sea?
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Title: Re: Warhol bangs the Moon Hoax one more time .......	05 Feb 2004 12:43:37 PM

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i would like to order two herrings salted and with unions

plse

For hearings you must ask Bionic Rat, He got the Fish

section

i doubt they are not fresh anymore

Just like you like it.

how do you know you probably donot even know how a salted herring

look

That is correct. I eat salmon (in other words, real fish).

http://www.tijdvoorvis.nl/viskookboek_weekrecept.asp?ID=217

You might as well be eating goldfish, dork.

you are to stupid to understand the beautiful dutch language there

there

a picture and to improve you iq a little more
http://home.wanadoo.nl/mail.dougout/nlguides/food.html about

traditional

dutch food there are even recipies mentioned so you will be able to

get

finally a descent meal

Salted liquorice sweets ("drop") are enormously popular and come in many
varieties.

Yeah, I've heard this tastes like toe jam. And of course, you should be
shot for eating horse meat, dork.

hahahahahahaha what else can we do with them learning them to swim in the
sea?

Horses are very good swimmers. Perhaps you could get one to teach you how
to tread water.
.

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Title: Re: Warhol bangs the Moon Hoax one more time .......	06 Feb 2004 02:17:58 AM

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