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Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster |
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
At least you picked a crappy forecaster.
From http://typhoon.atmos.colostate.edu/forecasts/2006/nov2006/
The 2006 Atlantic basin hurricane season had activity at slightly less than
average (1950-2000) levels. This activity was much less than predicted in
our seasonal forecasts.
By Philip J. Klotzbach and William M. Gray
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
--
There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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07 Apr 2007 12:02:19 AM |
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"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Hey what do you know? Big oil found somebody else to drink the kool-
aid...
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07 Apr 2007 05:43:16 AM |
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Captain Compassion wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
Global Warming changes detailed by world wide regions here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/6528979.stm
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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07 Apr 2007 11:03:16 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 06:43:16 -0400, PagCal <pagcal@runbox.com> wrote:
Captain Compassion wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
Global Warming changes detailed by world wide regions here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/629/629/6528979.stm
Not quite correct. These are *projected" changes. To this point there
have been no real measurable changes.
"While all us other children, when the supper things is done,
we sit around the kitchen fire and has the mostest fun,
a listening to the witch tales that Annie tells about
and the goblins will get ya if ya don't watch out!" --
The Little Orphan Annie by James Whitcomb Riley
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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07 Apr 2007 04:25:14 PM |
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On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
For sure a lot of foolishness... and a lot of it from the Capn..
That's it for you Capn, you've been put on the stupid list..
Not because you are intrinsically stupid.. but because you lie to
people's faces and expect to get away with it - after you have been
warned not to do so. And that is stupid.
EPICTETUS will have to find another, less hypocritical patron.
Your William Gray is just one of those cheap $10,000 dollar rent-a-
scholars that the bad ol' American Enterprise Institute was hustling
for, a few weeks ago ..
One of these very same rent a geeks that I was laughing about:
"The Tempest
By Joel Achenbach
Sunday, May 28, 2006; W08
As evidence mounts that humans are causing dangerous changes in
Earth's climate, a handful of skeptics are providing some serious
blowback
IT SHOULD BE GLORIOUS TO BE BILL GRAY, professor emeritus. He is often
called the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert. He's the guy who,
every year, predicts the number of hurricanes that will form during
the coming tropical storm season. ....
By rights, Bill Gray should be in deep clover, enjoying retirement,
pausing only to collect the occasional lifetime achievement award.
He's loud. His laugh is gale force. His personality threatens to spill
into the hallway and onto the chaparral. He can be very charming.
But he's also angry. He's outraged.
He recently had a public shouting match with one of his former
students. It went on for 45 minutes.
He was supposed to debate another scientist at a weather conference,
but the organizer found him to be too obstreperous, and disinvited
him. .."
Many many more embarrassing gaffs at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html
Your 'authority' is a discredited crackpot... and so are you.
Shame on you for trying to mislead people.
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07 Apr 2007 07:19:06 PM |
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On 7 Apr 2007 14:25:14 -0700, wrote:
On Apr 6, 9:49 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
For sure a lot of foolishness... and a lot of it from the Capn..
That's it for you Capn, you've been put on the stupid list..
Not because you are intrinsically stupid.. but because you lie to
people's faces and expect to get away with it - after you have been
warned not to do so. And that is stupid.
EPICTETUS will have to find another, less hypocritical patron.
Your William Gray is just one of those cheap $10,000 dollar rent-a-
scholars that the bad ol' American Enterprise Institute was hustling
for, a few weeks ago ..
One of these very same rent a geeks that I was laughing about:
"The Tempest
By Joel Achenbach
Sunday, May 28, 2006; W08
As evidence mounts that humans are causing dangerous changes in
Earth's climate, a handful of skeptics are providing some serious
blowback
IT SHOULD BE GLORIOUS TO BE BILL GRAY, professor emeritus. He is often
called the World's Most Famous Hurricane Expert. He's the guy who,
every year, predicts the number of hurricanes that will form during
the coming tropical storm season. ....
By rights, Bill Gray should be in deep clover, enjoying retirement,
pausing only to collect the occasional lifetime achievement award.
He's loud. His laugh is gale force. His personality threatens to spill
into the hallway and onto the chaparral. He can be very charming.
But he's also angry. He's outraged.
He recently had a public shouting match with one of his former
students. It went on for 45 minutes.
He was supposed to debate another scientist at a weather conference,
but the organizer found him to be too obstreperous, and disinvited
him. .."
Many many more embarrassing gaffs at:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/23/AR2006052301305_pf.html
Your 'authority' is a discredited crackpot... and so are you.
Shame on you for trying to mislead people.
The Captain makes no claims or predictions. The Captain does not
demand that others pay additional taxes or modify their behavior to
suit his opinions or beliefs. You folks are the ones demanding that
the Captain jump aboard your bandwagon of fear and guilt and you call
him vile names when he chooses not to do so. You all remind the
Captain of all those preachers on TV.
Compassion would also include teaching how the world really works to
children. -- Captain Compassion
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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07 Apr 2007 11:13:10 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:49:23 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
Even if manmade processes that emit pollution were not
responsible for global warming, don't you think pollution needs to be
greatly reduced?
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07 Apr 2007 03:13:07 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Apr 2007 12:13:10 -0400, Scotius <wolvzbud@mnsi.net> wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 21:49:23 -0700, Captain Compassion
<daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote:
Warming not behind hurricane activity-forecaster
06 Apr 2007 19:45:47 GMT
By Jeff Franks
NEW ORLEANS, April 6 (Reuters) - Natural changes in ocean currents are
to blame for increased Atlantic hurricane activity in recent years,
not man-made global warming as many scientists believe, hurricane
forecaster William Gray said on Friday.
"I think the whole human-induced greenhouse gas thing is a red
herring," Gray said in a speech at the National Hurricane Conference.
Gray, whose annual forecasts for the hurricane season are closely
watched, said the Earth has warmed the past 30 years, but that it was
due to flucuations in ocean currents. He predicted a cooling off
period would begin in five to 10 years as the currents change again.
"I see climate change as due to the ocean circulation pattern. I see
this as a major cause of climate change," Gray told the meteorologists
and emergency management specialist who attend the annual conference.
The Atlantic had destructive hurricane seasons in 2004, when four
major hurricanes struck Florida, and 2005 when Katrina and Rita badly
damaged the U.S. Gulf Coast.
In 2005, there were a record 28 named storms and 15 hurricanes, but
last year was much calmer with 10 tropical storms and five hurricanes.
This year, Gray's forecasting team is predicting an active season with
17 named storms, nine of which will become hurricanes.
Periods of intense Atlantic hurricane activity are not unusual and
follow the change of a key Atlantic Ocean current that shifts every 30
years or so to bring warmer ocean waters that encourage hurricane
formation, Gray said.
He said carbon dioxide levels in the Earth's atmosphere have
increased, but periods of hurricane activity preceded the build-up of
the gas, which is blamed for warming and is the byproduct mostly of
fossil fuel burning.
The changing ocean current "goes back for hundreds of thousands of
years," Gray said. "These are natural processes. We shouldn't blame
them on humans and CO2."
Gray said the Atlantic current appears to change because of a rise and
fall in water salinity.
The combative professor dismissed the work of scientific colleagues
who have linked global warming and increased hurricane activity,
saying they were simply seeking grant money.
"You've heard a lot of foolishness over the last few years," said Gray
Even if manmade processes that emit pollution were not
responsible for global warming, don't you think pollution needs to be
greatly reduced?
Depends on what you define as pollution. The best way to reduce
pollution is progress and economic freedom. Giving individuals a stake
in the economy and more efficient tools is the key. Ownership is the
answer.
"In the history of the world, no one has ever washed a rented car."
-- Lawrence Summers
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There may come a time when the CO2 police will wander the earth telling
the poor and the dispossed how many dung chips they can put on their
cook fires. -- Captain Compassion.
Wherever I go it will be well with me, for it was well with me here, not
on account of the place, but of my judgments which I shall carry away
with me, for no one can deprive me of these; on the contrary, they alone
are my property, and cannot be taken away, and to possess them suffices
me wherever I am or whatever I do. -- EPICTETUS
"Civilization is the interval between Ice Ages." -- Will Durant.
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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