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User: "Black Elk"
Date: 11 Jun 2006 06:32:06 PM
Object: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists
If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.
I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.
Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to undermine
and take you out.
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
.

User: "RobH"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 08:30:26 PM
"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET:

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel
that you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions and don't think consistent coincidences and are mistakes--
they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine and take you out.


These are scary times. This is not the America you grew up in. For the
time being, democracy is dead. We are being watched, listened to, and
our voting rights compromised. Many of the rightwing feel they will
impose their will by any means necessary. We have an administration that
not only would not investigate any kind of irregularities such as yours,
they would mostly likely assist or sponser the illegal activities. The
polls say democrats will take the house in the fall. Don't be surprised
if they don't. Even though once again, the exit polls may give them a
big win. Most of the media has already shown, they will just go along
with it, and look the other way.
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 08:50:41 PM
"RobH" <Rob@aol.com> wrote in message
news:Xns97DFD09CF1082gloyshrv@207.115.17.102...

"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET:

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel
that you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions and don't think consistent coincidences and are mistakes--
they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine and take you out.



These are scary times. This is not the America you grew up in. For the
time being, democracy is dead. We are being watched, listened to, and
our voting rights compromised. Many of the rightwing feel they will
impose their will by any means necessary. We have an administration that
not only would not investigate any kind of irregularities such as yours,
they would mostly likely assist or sponser the illegal activities. The
polls say democrats will take the house in the fall. Don't be surprised
if they don't. Even though once again, the exit polls may give them a
big win. Most of the media has already shown, they will just go along
with it, and look the other way.

These are indeed dangerous times. Folks say that we should just get along
and let the cards fall as they may. Neo-fascists read this as a green light
to steamroll over anything that gets in their way. If we don't stop it soon
there won't be any stopping it. In fact it may be too late as it is.
I'm of the opinion that we should stand by our political values and goals
and hold them up in stark contrast to the privacy stealing, murderous,
lying, scamming, corrupt methods of our opponents. Until that is done we've
become the party and people of Neville Chamberlain, never mind that he was a
conservative, he was also an appeaser of Adolph Hitler.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neville_Chamberlain
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 08:45:55 PM
RobH wrote:

"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET:

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel
that you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions and don't think consistent coincidences and are mistakes--
they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine and take you out.



These are scary times. This is not the America you grew up in. For the
time being, democracy is dead. We are being watched, listened to, and
our voting rights compromised. Many of the rightwing feel they will
impose their will by any means necessary. We have an administration that
not only would not investigate any kind of irregularities such as yours,
they would mostly likely assist or sponser the illegal activities. The
polls say democrats will take the house in the fall. Don't be surprised
if they don't. Even though once again, the exit polls may give them a
big win. Most of the media has already shown, they will just go along
with it, and look the other way.

The US media should just be all sold to 7-11.
Since the only language any of the idiots can speak
is Cuban, and the only city they know anything
about is Los Vegas.
.


User: "Topaz"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 08:26:35 PM
In March 1937 Mussolini made a spectacular state visit to Libya, where
he opened a new military highway running the entire length of the
colon., He had himself declared protector of Islam and was presented
with a symbolic sword.
http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Libya/History
the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini arranged for Muslim notables
from Italian-ruled Libya to gird him with the "sword of Islam" during
a visit to Tripoli. "Muslims may rest assured," Mussolini intoned on
that occasion, "that Italy will always be the friend and protector of
Islam throughout the world." His foreign minister declared Muslim
values perfectly compatible with fascism: "The Islamic world, in
accordance with its traditions, loves in the Duce the wisdom of the
statesman united to the action of the warrior."74
http://www.danielpipes.org/article/90
Mussolini vows to help the Palestinian cause against the Jews.
http://www.stern.de/community/forum/thread.jsp?forum=35&thread=57402&message=840948
http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 08:53:38 PM
"Topaz" <mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:hlgp821qcs1ekjni000q2uk1oo38439f88@4ax.com...
Even if you're a fascist, your consistent, Topaz.
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/

In March 1937 Mussolini made a spectacular state visit to Libya, where
he opened a new military highway running the entire length of the
colon., He had himself declared protector of Islam and was presented
with a symbolic sword.

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Libya/History

the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini arranged for Muslim notables
from Italian-ruled Libya to gird him with the "sword of Islam" during
a visit to Tripoli. "Muslims may rest assured," Mussolini intoned on
that occasion, "that Italy will always be the friend and protector of
Islam throughout the world." His foreign minister declared Muslim
values perfectly compatible with fascism: "The Islamic world, in
accordance with its traditions, loves in the Duce the wisdom of the
statesman united to the action of the warrior."74

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/90

Mussolini vows to help the Palestinian cause against the Jews.

http://www.stern.de/community/forum/thread.jsp?forum=35&thread=57402&message=840948

http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com

.

User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 01:14:48 PM
Topaz wrote:

In March 1937 Mussolini made a spectacular state visit to Libya, where
he opened a new military highway running the entire length of the
colon., He had himself declared protector of Islam and was presented
with a symbolic sword.

Perhaps AWOL Bush made a strategic mistake by not declaring himself 'protector
of Islam'.


http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Libya/History

the Italian dictator Benito Mussolini arranged for Muslim notables
from Italian-ruled Libya to gird him with the "sword of Islam" during
a visit to Tripoli. "Muslims may rest assured," Mussolini intoned on
that occasion, "that Italy will always be the friend and protector of
Islam throughout the world." His foreign minister declared Muslim
values perfectly compatible with fascism: "The Islamic world, in
accordance with its traditions, loves in the Duce the wisdom of the
statesman united to the action of the warrior."74

http://www.danielpipes.org/article/90

Mussolini vows to help the Palestinian cause against the Jews.


http://www.stern.de/community/forum/thread.jsp?forum=35&thread=57402&message=840948


http://www.nationalvanguard.org http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.RealNews247.com

--
There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
.
User: "Topaz"

Title: Re: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 06:27:42 PM
On Mon, 12 Jun 2006 18:14:48 GMT, GW Chimpzilla's Eye-Rack Neocon
Utopia <gw@hotmail.com> wrote:


Perhaps AWOL Bush made a strategic mistake by not declaring himself 'protector
of Islam'.

It's not something he would be likely to say.
by Kevin Alfred Strom
....The May 18th meeting of the
American Israel Public Affairs Committee (or AIPAC for short) in
Washington, DC... AIPAC is the most
influential lobby in Washington, and is totally focused on
maintaining and increasing American taxpayer support for Israel,
both financial and military, and in destroying all critics of
Israel or of Jewish supremacism...
When Bush ascended to the AIPAC podium, flanked by leading Jewish
supremacists on both sides, behind him was a huge new flag
design, probably 50 feet long, consisting of American stars and
stripes interspersed with huge Stars of David. Bush, interrupted
by wild applause and several standing ovations from the Zionist
audience which included Ariel Sharon, referred to the leading
Jewish supremacists on the platform by their first names:
"I'm honored to be here at AIPAC, thank you for such a warm
welcome. It's good to be with so many friends -- friends of mine
and friends of Israel. ...I want to thank Amy for her leadership.
I appreciate you taking time to serve a cause that -- in which
you believe deeply. I want to thank Bernice for her willingness
to serve, as well. I've known Howard for a long time. He's
effective. I want to thank the AIPAC board -- AIPAC board members
for their friendship and leadership. I'm honored to be in the
presence of my friend, the Ambassador from Israel, Danny Ayalon.
I appreciate you being here, Danny."
How cozy. The president went on in this vein for about forty
minutes, acting more like an Israeli cabinet minister than an
American president. He congratulated himself for his unwavering
support for Zionism, justified the horrible terror-war being
waged on Israel's behalf in Iraq, and engaged in some
saber-rattling against other Muslim states that don't want to
have a government supervised by Jews.
Bush also repeated the catch-phrase that has a hidden meaning to
Jewish supremacists, the phrase I've spoken about before on
American Dissident Voices -- "committed to the security of Israel
as a Jewish state," which is repeated almost word-for-word again
and again by Israel's sycophants and Capitol Hill puppets. and
which means much more than seems. [
http://www.nationalvanguard.org/story.php?id=1282 ] The words 'as
a Jewish state' are crucial: they mean support for Israel as a
racial state for one people alone, something that the Jewish
power structure denies to every White nation -- yet White
politicians must express their "commitment" to Israel. Bush
stated:
"The United States is strongly committed, and I am strongly
committed, to the security of Israel as a vibrant Jewish state."
Identical to the catch-phrase, with only the addition of the word
'vibrant.' Bush is not committed to America as an American state
-- in fact, he supports amnesty for illegal invaders.
All that is to be expected from Bush, considering his dependence
on Jewish favor, Jewish money, and Jewish media for his election.
But what I found most chilling about Bush's groveling speech
before his masters was this section, in which he makes reference
to a recent meeting of the so-called Organization for Security
and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), which is working with American
and European governments to outlaw free speech by "monitoring"
and outlawing criticism of Jews [
http://www.natvan.com/pub/2003/053103.txt
http://www.natvan.com/pub/2003/062803.txt ]:
"The Jewish people have seen, over the years and over the
centuries, that hate prepares the way for violence. The refusal
to expose and confront intolerance can lead to crimes beyond
imagining. So we have a duty to expose and confront
anti-Semitism, wherever it is found. Some of you attended a very
important event in Berlin last month, the International
Conference on Anti-Semitism. You understand that anti-Semitism is
not a problem of the past; the hatred of Jews did not die in a
Berlin bunker. In its cruder forms, it can be found in some Arab
media, and this government will continue to call upon Arab
governments to end libels and incitements. Such hatred can also
take subtler forms. The demonization of Israel, the most extreme
anti-Zionist rhetoric can be a flimsy cover for anti-Semitism,
and contribute to an atmosphere of fear in which synagogues are
desecrated, people are slandered, folks are threatened. I will
continue to call upon our friends in Europe to renounce and fight
any sign of anti-Semitism in their midst."
[ http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040518-1.html
]
You'll notice two things here: 1) Bush is conflating negative
feelings about Jews, and 'rhetoric,' with actual violent acts and
a supposed 'atmosphere' that 'creates' them, thus setting the
stage for the legally-required 'monitoring' of all critics of
Jewish power and the criminalization of the free speech of these
critics, and 2) the redefinition of criticism of Israel or
Zionism, making them into just another form of so-called
"anti-Semitism," so they, too, can be 'monitored' and eventually
criminalized. Both of these are something that Jewish pressure
groups worldwide have been pushing hard for recently, and Bush
promised to give them exactly what they want.
Meanwhile, at yet another meeting, John Kerry, who is actually of
Jewish ancestry himself, tried to out-promise Bush with his
protestations of love for Zionism and hatred of any who would
criticize Jewish supremacism. At a meeting last month of the
crime-linked Jewish spying operation and pressure group, the
'Anti-Defamation League' (ADL) in Washington, Kerry said the
following:
"...what ADL stands for is what I would like to fight for. ...And
after last week's [OSCE] conference in Berlin, we celebrate 55
countries that came together who have pledged to intensify their
efforts to combat anti-Semitism and to spread tolerance. ...And
we still know that anti-Semitism, notwithstanding the meeting of
55 countries, has been growing, and demands global leadership in
order to stand up against it. ...Across the Atlantic we've seen a
new wave of anti-Semitism, masking as anti-Israel sentiment, and
it's creeping its way across Europe and the Middle East. ...The
people of Israel should also know that for the entire 20 years
that I have been in the United States Senate, I'm proud that my
commitment to a secure Jewish state has been unwavering; not even
by one vote or one letter or one resolution has it wavered. And
as president, I can guarantee you that that support and that
effort for our ally, a vibrant democracy, will continue. ...The
security of Israel is paramount."
[ http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/kerryadl.html ]
Ladies and gentlemen, you cannot have more than one paramount
value. If a certain thing is your highest value, that means that
all other things are of lesser or no value. Kerry says "The
security of Israel is paramount." Not the security of the United
States. Not the security of our children's future. Not the
security of Western civilization or its founding race. None of
these are paramount to Kerry, or for that matter Bush or any of
the bought politicians. The Jewish state alone is paramount. (In
one of those coincidences that is simply too funny to have been
made up, I note that Kerry's 'liaison with the Jewish community'
is a person named Jay Footlik.)
As for Ralph Nader, he himself, like Kerry, is not entirely White
(though he's not Jewish) and he cannot be expected to articulate
the interests of White Americans. He has approached Middle
Eastern issues with more objectivity than Kerry or Bush -- he
recently referred to Kerry as "part of the Washington puppet show
on the Israeli/Palestinian matter" -- and he would restrict some
of the worst abuses of the open-border maniacs for rational
economic reasons...
[ http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/US-Israel/kerry.html ]
And what of that OSCE conference on 'anti-Semitism' to which both
Kerry and Bush referred in such glowing terms? Attended by
representatives of 55 nations, many of them dependent on
US/Zionist favor for their economic survival, it marked the
agreement of those governments to 'root out' all criticism of
Jews, continue their efforts to criminalize such criticism, and
begin the most extensive internal surveillance and spying
operation ever known, to be directed against their own citizens
suspected of being aware of the issue of Jewish supremacism.
According to the New Jersey Jewish News, at the conference
"European governments acknowledged that much of the current
anti-Semitism revival hides behind criticism of Israel.
....Several congressional participants praised the work of the
conference, but warned that the meeting is only the first step in
combating a problem that continues to grow."
One of those US Congressmen attending the event was New Jersey's
Republican Representative Chris Smith, who said "When national
leaders fail to denounce anti-Semitic violence and slurs, the
void is not only demoralizing to the victims, but silence
actually enables the wrongdoing. Silence by elected officials in
particular conveys approval - or at least acquiescence - and can
contribute to a climate of fear and a sense of vulnerability.
....we hope the results of this conference will serve as a
blueprint for serious and hopefully bold action. Our words here
in Berlin, however, must be repeated at home with frequency,
passion, and tenacity and matched - and even exceeded - by
deeds."
Laszlo Kovacs, the foreign minister of Hungary, told the OSCE
meeting "There can be no tolerance of extremist hate speech. We
will not tolerate it in parliament, in meetings, on the streets,
squares or football stadiums." By "extremist hate speech" they
now mean criticism of Israel, Zionism, or Jewish power. They do
not mean and will not punish Jewish supremacists when they
declare their hatred of White people or others, nor will they
punish the Jewish funding and promotion of policies which are
leading directly to genocide of the European race.
Another attendee was Democratic Congressman from Maryland Ben
Cardin, who declared "We ended up with a document that
acknowledges the importance of national leadership in fighting
anti-Semitism, and which commits nations not just to gather
information about the problem but to take action based on that."
The article continues: "As a result, OSCE members will share
information on the spread of anti-Semitism and 'best practices'
for combating it. Member nations agreed to invest in educational
and law enforcement programs aimed at reducing hate crimes and to
appoint a roving OSCE envoy to help members 'develop specific
strategies.'"
Jewish spokesman Mark Levin said of the OSCE meeting "The bottom
line is that members states of the OSCE are now committed to
monitoring and hopefully implementing programs to counter
increasing anti-Semitism..." Levin also said that America must
also monitor and 'combat' critics of Jewish power: "It was clear
we have a lot to look at in our own backyard, including using
education, law enforcement, and the Internet to combat new forms
of hatred." With every questioner of Jewish policy now put in the
'anti-Semite' category if Jewish groups so declare, Levin and
Foxman are going to be very very busy in the near future.
[ http://www.njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/50604/wldadl.html ]
[ http://www.eubusiness.com/afp/040523124619.zfxkfwap ]
They may have to 'monitor' the halls of Congress. In the U.S.
Senate, Senator Ernest Hollings is about to retire -- and from
the secure position of never having to worry about reelection
again, Mr. Hollings has decided to come clean, at least
partially, on the nature of Jewish power in Washington. (By the
way, Hollings' designated successor has been chosen by the
Democratic Party: Inez Tenenbaum, the Democratic state education
superintendent. No more worries about South Carolina Senators
spilling the beans for a while, anyway. [
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/GuestColumns/printLondon20040525.shtml
] )
Hollings' remarks included the following: "They [the Israeli
military] are coming in there [Palestinian refugee camps] with
U.S. equipment, U.S. gun helicopters, U.S. tanks that are
bulldozing. That is our policy. That is the reason for 9/11. ...I
think, frankly, we have caused more terrorism than we have gotten
rid of. ...I can tell you no President takes office--I don't care
whether it is a Republican or a Democrat--that all of a sudden
AIPAC will tell him exactly what the policy is... I don't
apologize for this column. I want them to apologize to me for
talking about anti-Semitism. They are not getting by with it.
....Now we have killed almost 800, maimed for life thousands of
others. Are we going to just continue on?"
[ http://hollings.senate.gov/~hollings/statements/2004521A35.html
]
Good question, Senator Hollings. My question is: Why did it take
you dozens of years to tell us the truth about Jewish domination
of Washington? Other establishment figures have, perhaps
reluctantly and hesitantly, revealed the truth about who has led
us into the war: Middle East expert General Anthony Zinni has now
stated that the purpose of the war was Israel's security, and
that Jewish neocons -- naming Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz,
Lewis Libby, Richard Perle, and Elliot Abrams -- were the ones
pushing for war from the beginning.
[ http://frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=13549 ]
In parallel with the OSCE efforts in Europe, Jewish efforts to
suppress criticism are right now on track to be made into law in
the US Congress: H.R.4230 is a bill to "To authorize the
establishment within the Department of State of an Office to
Monitor and Combat Anti-Semitism, to require inclusion in annual
Department of State reports of information concerning acts of
anti-Semitism around the world, and for other purposes."
The bill states that "It is the sense of Congress that-- (1) the
United States should continue to vigorously support efforts to
combat anti-Semitism worldwide through bilateral relationships
and interaction with international organizations such as the
Organization of Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE); (2)
the United States delegation to the OSCE conference in Berlin
should advocate for the appointment of a High Commissioner on
anti-Semitism; (3) the President should direct the United States
Ambassador to the United Nations to introduce in the most
appropriate forum in the United Nations a measure condemning
anti-Semitism; (4) the Secretary of State should establish a
permanent office in the Department of State to monitor and combat
anti-Semitism; and (5) the Department of State should thoroughly
document acts of anti-Semitism and anti-Semitic incitement that
occur around the world."
[ http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/bdquery/z?d108:HR04230:@@@P ]
It does indeed seem that there are meetings, meetings everywhere
-- in Berlin, in Washington, in the halls of Congress itself. For
the most part, these are meetings of liars and faceless
bureaucrats eager to accept Jewish money and keep their jobs by
doing what they are told.
Meanwhile, we're having some meetings of our own. Last month,
National Alliance members participated in the Institute for
Historical Review revisionist conference in Sacramento, which we
helped rescue from cowardice and Jewish censorship efforts. Just
one week earlier, we held the largest-ever National Alliance
Leadership Conference in the newly-constructed William Pierce
Memorial Hall in the beautiful mountains of West Virginia. And
just a few days ago, the New Orleans European-American Conference
gathered together Alliance members and supporters, members of
other groups, and individual activists from around the world to
meet in cooperation in setting lofty goals, putting in place a
'zero tolerance' policy on violence or lawlessness often
instigated by provocateurs, and distancing ourselves from
irresponsible elements by setting a high moral tone in our
efforts to secure a future for White children. The ideas in the
New Orleans Protocol, as it is called, are those that the
National Alliance has been promoting for years. The New Orleans
Protocol will have historic significance as we advance toward our
vision: a nation for White people, where the government is
responsible to us alone, where our interests -- and not the
interests of a foreign nation like Israel -- come first.
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User: "John Black"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 10:54:56 PM
In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>, windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to undermine
and take you out.

LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!
You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets to
type these messages...
John Black
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 11 Jun 2006 11:05:48 PM
"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>, windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets to
type these messages...

John Black

As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.
On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing privacy and
blocking free speech.
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
.
User: "Beal"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 12:44:02 AM
Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>, windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing privacy and
blocking free speech.

Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 10:35:10 AM
"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>, windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.

Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for fascists.
---
Fascism: Are We There Yet?
The surveillance state and the dangers of 'data-mining'
http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8992
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/


.
User: ""

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 02:00:39 PM
Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>, windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for fascists.

You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire

Fascism: Are We There Yet?

The surveillance state and the dangers of 'data-mining'

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8992


--
They knew...

Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/




.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 03:55:01 PM
<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150138839.317624.228150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire

I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his cabal.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/


Fascism: Are We There Yet?

The surveillance state and the dangers of 'data-mining'

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/?articleid=8992


--
They knew...

Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/





.
User: "Beal"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 04:15:41 PM
Black Elk wrote:

<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150138839.317624.228150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

....your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto
Politically, the Manifesto calls for:
-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.
In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:
-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.
In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:
-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.
In finance, the Manifesto advocates:
-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent
of the profits therein.
---------------
Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.
You aren't a fascist are you?
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 05:50:47 PM
"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150146941.474441.49450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150138839.317624.228150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into
and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight
jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was
meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


...your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.

In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent
of the profits therein.
---------------

Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.

You aren't a fascist are you?

You're an idiot aren't you, Fascist?
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/
.
User: "Beal"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 06:17:29 PM
Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150146941.474441.49450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150138839.317624.228150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked into
and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight
jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was
meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


...your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.

In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent
of the profits therein.
---------------

Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.

You aren't a fascist are you?


You're an idiot aren't you, Fascist?

Boy it sure accomplishes a lot when we call each other fascists doesn't
it?

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Does it bother you that you cite modern DNC propaganda while I cite
apolitical, historical fact?
.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 12 Jun 2006 08:28:18 PM
"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150154249.182233.98470@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150146941.474441.49450@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

<alanmc95210@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1150138839.317624.228150@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"Beal" <bealrabbitslayer@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1150091042.587724.126250@f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...


Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.1ef6a189797a8f60989c2e@news.chi.sbcglobal.net...

In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and
you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked
into
and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything
to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight
jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO
of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was
meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its
sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among
Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his
cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


...your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.

In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent
of the profits therein.
---------------

Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.

You aren't a fascist are you?


You're an idiot aren't you, Fascist?


Boy it sure accomplishes a lot when we call each other fascists doesn't
it?

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


Does it bother you that you cite modern DNC propaganda while I cite
apolitical, historical fact?

If you knew history you would know it was the leftwing, liberals and
Democrats who entered the fight against Fascism while George W. Bush's
ancestors along with Republicans supported and aided Hitler and the Third
Reich.
It is my premise that history is repeating itself.
---
http://www.nhgazette.com/et_cetera/search_the_archives/national_news/NN_Bush_Nazi_Link.html
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html
---
Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the
tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all
liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is
hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government,
and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard
ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial
corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the
Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite
action to bring fascism to America."
former U.S. ambassador to Germany William Dodd in 1938
---
Besides totalitarianism, a key distinguishing feature of fascism is that it
uses a rightist mass movement to attack the organizations of the working
class: parties of the left and trade unions. This strategy is variously
called Corporatism, Corporativism, or the Corporative State [2], all terms
that refer to state action to partner with key business leaders, often in
ways chosen to minimize the power of labor unions. Mussolini, for example,
capitalized on fear of an imminent Socialist revolution [3], finding ways to
unite Labor and Capital, to Labor's ultimate detriment. In 1926 he created
the National Council of Corporations, divided into guilds of employers and
employees, tasked with managing 22 sectors of the economy. The guilds
subsumed both labor unions and management, but were heavily weighted in
favor of the corporations and their owners. The moneyed classes in return
helped him change the country's laws to raise his stature from a coalition
leader to a supreme commander. The movement was supported by small
capitalists, low-level bureaucrats, and the middle classes, who had all felt
threatened by the rise in power of the Socialists. Fascism also met with
great success in rural areas, especially among farmers, peasants, and in the
city, the lumpenproletariat.
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Bush_Hitler.html
--
They knew...
Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.
http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/


.
User: "Beal"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 13 Jun 2006 12:59:32 AM
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In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican and
you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked
into
and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at anything
to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight
jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The MO
of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it was
meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its
sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists. Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among
Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his
cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


...your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.

In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85 percent
of the profits therein.
---------------

Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.

You aren't a fascist are you?


You're an idiot aren't you, Fascist?


Boy it sure accomplishes a lot when we call each other fascists doesn't
it?

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


Does it bother you that you cite modern DNC propaganda while I cite
apolitical, historical fact?


If you knew history you would know it was the leftwing, liberals and
Democrats who entered the fight against Fascism while George W. Bush's
ancestors along with Republicans supported and aided Hitler and the Third
Reich.

Oh the Democrats of the 1940s? The ones who were enacting Jim Crow
laws and voting against civil rights laws? (You know the Nazis were
racists as well) Or did you want to cherry pick the good without
assuming all the bad baggage that comes with it? Do you also take
credit for internment? When did you decide that you could compare Ted
Kennedy, Terry McAuliffe, and John Kerry to Franklin Roosevelt, anyway?
By the way, what happened to your previous point, that fascism
supposedly mirrors Republican ideology? Facts get in the way? You are
reduced to linking rense.com quality articles about a supposed link
between a long-dead ancestor of Bush and a business which employed a
former nazi sympathizer? That is your proof that Republican ideology
mirrors fascism? It doesn't matter that fascism was founded on
socialist principles, does it? it doesn't matter that fascists
practiced gun control, does it? It doesn't matter that Hitler
criticized the "capitalist jews" does it? Who cares that Mussolini
advocated nationalization of the defense industry, a minimum wage, a
mandated shorter working day, and progressive taxation? All that
matters is that a couple of leftwing nutcases have claimed that if you
support tax cuts, you are a nazi. That's good enough for you, isn't
it?

It is my premise that history is repeating itself.

Hey if you are free to define fascism any way you want, it becomes
really easy to claim that we are moving toward it...

http://www.nhgazette.com/et_cetera/search_the_archives/national_news/NN_Bush_Nazi_Link.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

---



Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to the
tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by all
liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is
hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democratic government,
and is working closely with the fascist regime in Germany and Italy. Aboard
ship a prominent executive of one of America's largest financial
corporations told me point blank that if the progressive trend of the
Roosevelt administration continued, he would be ready to take definite
action to bring fascism to America."

former U.S. ambassador to Germany William Dodd in 1938

---

Besides totalitarianism, a key distinguishing feature of fascism is that it
uses a rightist mass movement to attack the organizations of the working
class: parties of the left and trade unions.

I have news for you, confused one: all totalitarian regimes attack
labor unions. Dicatators and other tyrannical regimes don't like
people organizing independently. You think the desctruction and
incorporation of labor unions in to the government is somehow unique to
fascism? Did you forget that Lech Walesa founded Solidarity as a
labor movement? Go ahead and look that up if you need.
You want to know why fascism is vaguely defined? Its because people
cannot seperate the qualities of fascism as a political ideology from
the standard operating procedure of all authoritarian regimes. You are
so convinced and wrapped up in your hatred that you can't see that most
of the qualities of fascism your ridiculous sources cite were equally
present in the Soviet Union and are still being practiced in various
communist countries (along with various other oppressive regimes) even
today.

This strategy is variously
called Corporatism, Corporativism, or the Corporative State

Yeah because corporations are really keen on nationalization...

[2], all terms
that refer to state action to partner with key business leaders, often in
ways chosen to minimize the power of labor unions. Mussolini, for example,
capitalized on fear of an imminent Socialist revolution [3], finding ways to
unite Labor and Capital, to Labor's ultimate detriment. In 1926 he created
the National Council of Corporations, divided into guilds of employers and
employees, tasked with managing 22 sectors of the economy.

How laissez faire of him.

The guilds
subsumed both labor unions and management, but were heavily weighted in
favor of the corporations and their owners. The moneyed classes in return
helped him change the country's laws to raise his stature from a coalition
leader to a supreme commander. The movement was supported by small
capitalists, low-level bureaucrats, and the middle classes, who had all felt
threatened by the rise in power of the Socialists. Fascism also met with
great success in rural areas, especially among farmers, peasants, and in the
city, the lumpenproletariat.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Fascism/Bush_Hitler.html


--
They knew...

Despite the whitewash, we know that the Bush administration
was warned before the war that its Iraq claims were weak.

http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/they_knew_0802/



.
User: "Black Elk"

Title: Re: Warning to all liberals, Democrats and non-fascists 13 Jun 2006 12:28:44 PM
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Black Elk wrote:

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Black Elk wrote:

"John Black" <jblack@texas.net> wrote in message
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In article <23077$448ca7f8$4fee6fb$7813@DIALUPUSA.NET>,
windriver2000
@yahoo.com says...

If you live in an area that is predominantly Republican
and
you
feel
that
you're being harassed and spied on-- you are. Take all
precautions
and
don't
think consistent coincidences and are mistakes-- they
aren't.

I've had my house and telephone bugged, my computer hacked
into
and
very
sensitive files taken and spread far and wide.

Protect yourself and don't think they won't stop at
anything
to
undermine
and take you out.


LOL! Yeah, and don't forget to wrap your head in tin foil
to
prevent
Republican fascists from reading your mind!!

You've got to wonder how these people escape their straight
jackets
to
type these messages...

John Black


As with most fascists, ridicule and demonizing are SOP. The
MO
of
fascist
Republicanism is real, I have experienced it first hand.

On the other hand this warning wasn't meant for fascists, it
was
meant
for
those who understand the threat of a government and its
sycophant
supporters
who will stop at nothing to protect their power, while
stealing
privacy
and
blocking free speech.


Shut up or I'll start up brain ray again.



Apparently you missed the part where I said my message wasn't
for
fascists.


You didn't say that. You said "Liberals, Democrats, and non-
fascists".
We conservatives and Republicans are the non-fascists.
Logically,
your statement implies that the fascists are included among
Democrats
and Liberals- A. McIntire


I'm sorry, your party is no longer conservative and yes, many of
the
Republicans I know are fascist, including your dear leader and his
cabal.

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


...your made-up definition of fascism versus the definition provided
by
the very father of fascism himself, Benito Mussolini:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascist_manifesto#Contents_of_the_Fascist_Manifesto

Politically, the Manifesto calls for:

-Universal suffrage polled on a regional basis, with proportional
representation and voting and electoral office eligibility for
women;
-Proportional representation on a regional basis;
-Voting for women (which was opposed by every other European
nation);
-Representation at government level of newly created National
Councils
by economic sector;
-The abolition of the Italian Senate
-The formation of a National Council of experts for labor, for
industy,
for transportation, for the public health, for communications, etc.

In labour and social policy, the Manifesto calls for:

-The quick enactment of a law of the State that sanctions an
eight-hour
workday for all workers;
-A minimum wage;
-The participation of workers' representatives in the functions of
industry commissions;
-To show the same confidence in the labor unions (that prove to be
technically and morally worthy) as is given to industry executives
or
public servants;
-Reorganisation of the railways and the transport sector;
-Revision of the draft law on invalidity insurance;
-Reduction of the retirement age from 65 to 55.

In military affairs, the Manifesto advocates:

-Creation of a short-service national militia with specifically
defensive responsibilities;
-Armaments factories are to be nationalised;
-A peaceful but competitive foreign policy.

In finance, the Manifesto advocates:

-A strong progressive tax on capital (envisaging a "partial
expropriation" of concentrated wealth);
-The seizure of all the possessions of the religious congregations
and
the abolition of all the bishoprics, which constitute an enormous
liability on the Nation and on the privileges of the poor;
-Revision of all contracts for military provisions;
-The revision of all military contracts and the seizure of 85
percent
of the profits therein.
---------------

Hey fascist, you better stop pushing for increases in the minimum
wage,
strengthened labor laws, nationalization of defense and other
industries, progressive taxation, and attacks on religious
institutions. That would make you a fascist.

You aren't a fascist are you?


You're an idiot aren't you, Fascist?


Boy it sure accomplishes a lot when we call each other fascists doesn't
it?

http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm


Does it bother you that you cite modern DNC propaganda while I cite
apolitical, historical fact?


If you knew history you would know it was the leftwing, liberals and
Democrats who entered the fight against Fascism while George W. Bush's
ancestors along with Republicans supported and aided Hitler and the Third
Reich.


Oh the Democrats of the 1940s?

The same ones who brought us rights for workers and Social Security when the
GOP was aligning itself with fascists in Europe to prevent anyone
encroaching on their profits and business deals.

The ones who were enacting Jim Crow
laws and voting against civil rights laws?

Some undoubtedly were but on the other hand I'll bet there were a majority
of Republicans right alongside them and the shoe is on the other foot
regarding civil rights currently.
(You know the Nazis were

racists as well) Or did you want to cherry pick the good without
assuming all the bad baggage that comes with it?

Are you telling us rascism was a bigger problem in the Democratic Party than
the Republican?

Do you also take
credit for internment?

Radical measures for radical times. It was unfortunate but the Japanese were
preparing to invade the U.S. if given the opportunity.
How does internment compare to Bush's concentration camp in Guantanamo? How
does it compare to the imprisoning of human beings without charges and
without end? How does it compare to the CIA's secret prisions? How does it
compare to the Bush regimes ignoring of the Geneva Conventions and human
rights?

When did you decide that you could compare Ted
Kennedy, Terry McAuliffe, and John Kerry to Franklin Roosevelt, anyway?

I will take them anyday over George W. Bush neo-fascist warmongers.



By the way, what happened to your previous point, that fascism
supposedly mirrors Republican ideology?

It does:
1.) Powerful and Continuing Nationalism: Fascist regimes tend to make
constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other
paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing
and in public displays.
2.) Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights: Because of fear of enemies
and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that
human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people
tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions,
assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3.) Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause: The people
are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a
perceived common threat or foe: racial, ethnic or religious minorities;
liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4.) Supremacy of the Military: Even when there are widespread domestic
problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government
funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service
are glamorized.
5.) Rampant Sexism: The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost
exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles
are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and
anti-gay legislation and national policy.
6.) Controlled Mass Media: Sometimes the media is directly controlled by
the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by
government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives.
Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7.) Obsession with National Security: Fear is used as a motivational tool
by the government over the masses
8.) Religion and Government are Intertwined: Governments in fascist nations
tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate
public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government
leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically
opposed to the government's policies or actions.
9.) Corporate Power is Protected: The industrial and business aristocracy
of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into
power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and
power elite.
10.) Labor Power is Suppressed: Because the organizing power of labor is
the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either
eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11.) Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts: Fascist nations tend to
promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is
not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even
arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments
often refuse to fund the arts.
12.) Obsession with Crime and Punishment: Under fascist regimes, the police
are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often
willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the
name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually
unlimited power in fascist nations
13.) Rampant Cronyism and Corruption: Fascist regimes almost always are
governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to
government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect
their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for
national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright
stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections: Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a
complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns
against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation
to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation
of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to
manipulate or control elections.
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm

Facts get in the way?

Apparently they have for you.

You are
reduced to linking rense.com quality articles about a supposed link
between a long-dead ancestor of Bush and a business which employed a
former nazi sympathizer?

George W. Bush's long dead ancestor was his grandfather. He passed away in
1972, he was also a participant in the stealing Geronimo's skeletal remains.
I don't know about you but 1972 isn't long dead and being one of the
patriarchs of the Bush clan he no doubt still has a big impact on their
family culture. On the other hand his business dealings with the Nazis
continued past WWII.

ascism was founded on socialist

nciples, does it?
Fascism and Nazism advertised themselves as a deterrent to communism and
bolshevism. Many of those murdered by fascists were socialists, communists
and liberals.
it doesn't matter that fascists

practiced gun control, does it? It doesn't matter that Hitler
criticized the "capitalist jews" does it? Who cares that Mussolini
advocated nationalization of the defense industry, a minimum wage, a
mandated shorter working day, and progressive taxation? All that
matters is that a couple of leftwing nutcases have claimed that if you
support tax cuts, you are a nazi. That's good enough for you, isn't
it?

It is my premise that history is repeating itself.


Hey if you are free to define fascism any way you want, it becomes
really easy to claim that we are moving toward it...

http://www.nhgazette.com/et_cetera/search_the_archives/national_news/NN_Bush_Nazi_Link.html

http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/new_world_order/bush_nazis.html

---



Fascism is on the march today in America. Millionaires are marching to
the
tune. It will come in this country unless a strong defense is set up by
all
liberal and progressive forces... A clique of U.S. industrialists is
hell-bent to bring a fascist state to supplant our democra