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Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
Vonnegut had seen Alex Jones' videos about 9/11 and government
sponsored terror and asked Alex to send him more, after which Alex
Jones received a personalized drawing and a letter back from Kurt and
was in the process of trying to set him up for an appearance on his
radio show before he became ill.
From all indications and other people Alex Jones had talked to, it
seemed clear that Vonnegut was ready to add his name to the growing
list of high profile public figures who have risked their reputations
to slam the official 9/11 story.
We know that Vonnegut had come into contact with and researched the
subject with the aid of Alex Jones' documentary films. He was at least
questioning the official 9/11 fable and had begun to look into it more
deeply.
What would the effect of Kurt Vonnegut speaking out have been?
Unfortunately we may never know, but we hope to get back in touch with
his representatives at the appropriate time because it is historically
important to record Vonnegut's stance on this issue.
Vonnegut was certainly clued in to the fact that the political process
in America is completely bought and paid for. In his final book, A Man
Without a Country, Vonnegut noted that "no matter which one wins, we
will have a Skull and Bones President," referring to the 2004
"election" between Bush and Kerry.
In his final major speech at the Ohio State University just over a
year ago, Vonnegut offered further insights on the Bush presidency,
clarifying the fact that "The only difference between Bush and Hitler
is that Hitler was elected."
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"You all know, of course, that the election was stolen. Right here,"
Vonnegut told the audience.
Vonnegut was no stranger to the methods of dictators, he fought in
World War 2 and was captured by German soldiers in Dresden in December
1944. The Nazis put Vonnegut to work collecting bodies for mass burial
but there were too many corpses to bury so the Nazis simply sent in
men with flamethrowers and burned the remains to ashes. Vonnegut was
imprisoned in an underground meatpacking cellar known as
Slaughterhouse Five, which later became the title of perhaps his most
popular book.
The personalized drawing Kurt Vonnegut sent Alex Jones (click for
enlargement).
Vonnegut was one of the Bush administration's harshest critics in his
final years, using his razor sharp words to regularly slam the war in
Iraq through his In These Times column.
"By saying that our leaders are power-drunk chimpanzees, am I in
danger of wrecking the morale of our soldiers fighting and dying in
the Middle East?" he wrote. "Their morale, like so many bodies, is
already shot to pieces. They are being treated, as I never was, like
toys a rich kid got for Christmas in December."
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| User: "Hertz_Donut" |
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13 Apr 2007 01:51:32 AM |
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"Noah's Dove" <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> wrote in message
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of them
is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any judgment
about the events of 9/11.
There was no conspiracy. There was no controlled destruction.
Get over it...Get on with your life. There are other more important things
that are worth worrying about.
Honu
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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13 Apr 2007 05:30:58 PM |
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of them
is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to recognise
the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from our lying,
fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to hide, why the
opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer that if you can,
apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
There was no controlled destruction.
There is more than sufficient physical evidence and eyewitness testimony to
believe there probably was, especially in the case of the otherwise
inexplicable collapse of WTC 7.
Get over it...Get on with your life. There are other more important
things that are worth worrying about.
3000 innocent Americans die in this crime of the century, and to your feeble
mind this is not cause for concern?
Traitorous SHILL!
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13 Apr 2007 07:37:32 PM |
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of
them is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to
recognise the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from
our lying, fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to hide,
why the opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer that if
you can, apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
The only lies, propaganda and deception comes from the "conspiracy" camp.
There was no controlled destruction.
There is more than sufficient physical evidence and eyewitness testimony
to believe there probably was, especially in the case of the otherwise
inexplicable collapse of WTC 7.
Onlyh to those that do not care to deal with things like facts, truth,
physics or science. There is not a single shred of proof or support for any
of the "controlled destruction" theories. the fringe whacko's assign vales
to the words of witnesses that were not intended.
You state that there is physical evidence to support yoru theory. Post it.
Not some truck driver discussing metallurgy or a school teacher espousing
the technicalities of a controlled demolition.
Get over it...Get on with your life. There are other more important
things that are worth worrying about.
3000 innocent Americans die in this crime of the century, and to your
feeble mind this is not cause for concern?
There was no conspiracy. No controlled destruction. Some suicidal muslim
extremists flew planes into the towers, the towers collapsed, and nearly
3,000 people died. I am deeply hurt that it happened. But I am intellignet
enought to realize that there was no grand unifed conspiracy. It would
simply be impossible to keep everyone quiet, there would have been
definitive an irrefutable proof of the use of controlled demolition, and it
would never have made it to the final stage before someone somewhere blew
the whistle.
Traitorous SHILL!
You are the traitor, accusing the U.S. Government, those that worked in the
towers (including those that died), and everyone involved in the cleanup and
investigations that followed the attacks, of conspiring to bring the towers
down. This would mean that nearly 3,000 people working in the towers were
convinced to commit suicide. It means that all the people willingly got on
several aircraft that would crash into their targets. You accuse every
policeman, fireman, soldier, public worker and volunteer involved in the
cleanup of hiding evidence. And you call me a shill?
You are even more ignorant that you first appeared.
Honu
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14 Apr 2007 07:50:41 PM |
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of
them is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to
recognise the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from
our lying, fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to
hide, why the opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer
that if you can, apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
The only lies, propaganda and deception comes from the "conspiracy" camp.
Yeah, right - the government's story has been shown to have more holes than
Swiss cheese.
There was no controlled destruction.
There is more than sufficient physical evidence and eyewitness testimony
to believe there probably was, especially in the case of the otherwise
inexplicable collapse of WTC 7.
Onlyh to those that do not care to deal with things like facts, truth,
physics or science. There is not a single shred of proof or support for
any of the "controlled destruction" theories. the fringe whacko's assign
vales to the words of witnesses that were not intended.
On the contrary, it is the irrefutable laws of physics that call into
question the official propaganda and lies about the collapses of the THREE
buildings. Which jet hit WTC 7? Answer: NONE. It simply collasped in
sympathy and grief for its fallen siblings, right? And true to form, when
reason fails you, you slander those you disagree with. Ad-hominem attack is
the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that can't refute an opinion
with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly attacking the person that
holds the opinion.
You state that there is physical evidence to support yoru theory. Post
it.
Not some truck driver discussing metallurgy or a school teacher espousing
the technicalities of a controlled demolition.
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Get over it...Get on with your life. There are other more important
things that are worth worrying about.
3000 innocent Americans die in this crime of the century, and to your
feeble mind this is not cause for concern?
There was no conspiracy. No controlled destruction. Some suicidal muslim
extremists flew planes into the towers, the towers collapsed, and nearly
3,000 people died. I am deeply hurt that it happened. But I am
intellignet enought to realize that there was no grand unifed conspiracy.
It would simply be impossible to keep everyone quiet, there would have
been definitive an irrefutable proof of the use of controlled demolition,
and it would never have made it to the final stage before someone
somewhere blew the whistle.
Traitorous SHILL!
You are the traitor, accusing the U.S. Government, those that worked in
the towers (including those that died), and everyone involved in the
cleanup and investigations that followed the attacks, of conspiring to
bring the towers down. This would mean that nearly 3,000 people working
in the towers were convinced to commit suicide. It means that all the
people willingly got on several aircraft that would crash into their
targets. You accuse every policeman, fireman, soldier, public worker and
volunteer involved in the cleanup of hiding evidence. And you call me a
shill?
You are even more ignorant that you first appeared.
Honu
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| User: "Hertz_Donut" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
14 Apr 2007 09:38:25 PM |
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of
them is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to
recognise the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from
our lying, fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to
hide, why the opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer
that if you can, apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
The only lies, propaganda and deception comes from the "conspiracy" camp.
Yeah, right - the government's story has been shown to have more holes
than Swiss cheese.
There was no controlled destruction.
There is more than sufficient physical evidence and eyewitness testimony
to believe there probably was, especially in the case of the otherwise
inexplicable collapse of WTC 7.
Onlyh to those that do not care to deal with things like facts, truth,
physics or science. There is not a single shred of proof or support for
any of the "controlled destruction" theories. the fringe whacko's assign
vales to the words of witnesses that were not intended.
On the contrary, it is the irrefutable laws of physics that call into
question the official propaganda and lies about the collapses of the THREE
buildings. Which jet hit WTC 7? Answer: NONE. It simply collasped in
sympathy and grief for its fallen siblings, right? And true to form, when
reason fails you, you slander those you disagree with. Ad-hominem attack
is
First you claim that WTC 1 and 2 would not collapse from a plane hitting
them. Now you claim that WTC would not collapse unless a plane hit it.
What are you smoking?
the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that can't refute an
opinion with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly attacking the
person that holds the opinion.
Calling you foolish and stupid is not an attack. It is merely a statement
of fact.
You state that there is physical evidence to support yoru theory. Post
it.
Not some truck driver discussing metallurgy or a school teacher espousing
the technicalities of a controlled demolition.
9/11 Information Center
http://www.wanttoknow.info/911information
This page provides links to a variety of sources
of reliable, verifiable information dealing with the
9/11 cover-up and 9/11 movement. Our most basic
material is listed first, followed by other resources
which delve deeper for those interested in more.
We recommend reading through this entire page
before exploring the links provided. The
WantToKnow.info team presents this 9/11 information
as an opportunity for you to educate yourself and others,
and to inspire us to work together to strengthen
democracy and build a brighter future for us all.
9/11 Information Summaries
Most Important 9/11 Document
Top 9/11 News Articles
Best 9/11 Resources
Best Free 9/11 Videos
9/11 Poll
9/11 Information Subtopics
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Get over it...Get on with your life. There are other more important
things that are worth worrying about.
3000 innocent Americans die in this crime of the century, and to your
feeble mind this is not cause for concern?
There was no conspiracy. No controlled destruction. Some suicidal
muslim extremists flew planes into the towers, the towers collapsed, and
nearly 3,000 people died. I am deeply hurt that it happened. But I am
intellignet enought to realize that there was no grand unifed conspiracy.
It would simply be impossible to keep everyone quiet, there would have
been definitive an irrefutable proof of the use of controlled demolition,
and it would never have made it to the final stage before someone
somewhere blew the whistle.
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See, you *ARE* unable to provide a single shred of proof for your claim.
All the typing and cut and paste mean nothing, as the links contain nothing
but lies, misinformation, disinformation and conjecture. Not a single link
you posted has any *PROOF*.
Honu
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15 Apr 2007 07:54:27 AM |
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In article <BFeUh.45205$VU4.3067@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote:
"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of
them is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to
recognise the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from
our lying, fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to
hide, why the opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer
that if you can, apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
The only lies, propaganda and deception comes from the "conspiracy" camp.
Yeah, right - the government's story has been shown to have more holes than
Swiss cheese.
And the holes, where they exist, have nothing to do with the basic
claims of the Truthy agenda; that explosives were used to collapse
WTC, there was motlen metal in the pile, afterwords, and that
something other than 4 commercial jumbo jets caused all the damage on
9/11.
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Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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14 Apr 2007 09:20:35 AM |
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In article <CwTTh.41900$VU4.29315@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote:
"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Noah's Dove" <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> wrote in message
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
You could have 10,000 "celebrities" lending support to the "9/11 Truth
Movement", and it would mean absolutely nothing. Not a single one of them
is an expert in any area that gives them any expertise to make any
judgment about the events of 9/11.
One need not have a graduate degree in bovine gastroenterology to recognise
the smell of *****, which is all we have been getting from our lying,
fascist government regarding 9/11. If there is nothing to hide, why the
opposition to a new and impartial investigation? Answer that if you can,
apologist for mass murder!
There was no conspiracy.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
There was no controlled destruction.
There is more than sufficient physical evidence and eyewitness testimony to
believe there probably was, especially in the case of the otherwise
inexplicable collapse of WTC 7.
What "physical evidence"? The Truth Movement says all the evidcence
was destroyed in the cleanup. You can't have it both ways.
There is no "NYFD/NYPD/EMS/PAPD eye witnesses for truth" group. WHy?
Maybe it's becuase they all accept the standard story as true, at
least as far as elplosives in WTC.
Lots of firemen and news people knew that WTC7 was doomed, hours
before it fell.
The Truth Movement's own video shows that news folsk knew the building
was damaged and burning, all day;
ENHANCED VERSION: News Reports WTC7 Fell Before It Happens!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltP2t9nq9fI
At 0:20 seconds: "The bulding had been weakened this morning"
at 0:50 "weakened by falling debirs [from WTC1]
1:20 Building is still standing but burning
The firemen knew all day;
The FDNY Deputy Chief on-scene that day, Peter Hayden, repeatedly used
the term "pull" when talking about "pulling everybody back" and to
pull the firefighters from the building.
http://www.firehouse.com/terrorist/911/magazine/gz/hayden.html Note
he also says that the building was severely damaged and eveloped a
"large body of fire". He further states that they knew around 2pm that
it was going to collapse, which is hours before it fell.
In terms of demolition, "pull" involves attaching cables to the building
and literally pulling it down with heavy equipment. It's what they did
with the remains of building 6 days after the attack. It's nowhere near
what happened with building 7 on the day of the attack.
All evidence points to the fact that WTC 7 was not a controlled
demolition, but simply another victim of severe structural damage and
fire, just like the towers.
Statement of fireman Banaciski
....They moved us from one spot, they moved us on to Vesey
again. Because then they were worried about -- we actually searched
the Verizon building, because there was reports of firemen
there. Basically our whole house searched that building. They told
us to get out of there because they were worried about 7 World
Trade Center, which is right behind it, coming down. We were up on
the upper floors of the Verizon building looking at it. You could
just see the whole bottom corner of the building was gone. We
could look right out over to where the Trade Centers were because
we were that high up. Looking over the smaller buildings. I just
remember it was tremendous, tremendous fires going on. Finally
they pulled us out. They said all right, get out of that building
because that 7, they were really worried about. They pulled us out
of there and then they regrouped everybody on Vesey Street, between
the water and West Street. They put everybody back in there.
Finally it did come down. From there -- this is much later on in
the day,
Statement of Daniel Nigro, Chief of Department.
The most important operational decision to be made that afternoon
was the collapse had damaged 7 World Trade Center, which is about a
50 story building, at Vesey between West Broadway and Washington
Street. It had very heavy fire on many floors and I ordered the
evacuation of an area sufficient around to protect our members, so
we had to give up some rescue operations that were going on at the
time and back the people away far enough so that if 7 World Trade
did collapse, we wouldnmt lose any more people.
We continued to operate on what we could from that distance and
approximately an hour and a half after that order was giver., at
5:30 in the afternoon,
This URL os the testimony of 500+ firemen and EMS workers.
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAP...
And a timeline published in an industry publication
http://www.glasssteelandstone.com/BuildingDetail/442.php
o 10:30am - North tower collapses.
o 11:40am - New York Fire Department pulls our of Seven World Trade
Center as fire rages uncontrolled through the skyscraper.
o 5:25pm - Seven World Trade Center collapses.
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ttp://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=
9C02EEDD103EF933A15751C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
....The engineering and fire experts who have been examining the
collapse of 7 World Trade Center have not settled on the final cause
of the disaster. But they have seen evidence of very high
temperatures typical of fuel fires in the debris from the building
and have raised questions about whether the diesel accounted for
those conditions.
..At least two firefighters who were at the scene, Deputy Chief
James Jackson and Battalion Chief Blaich, said that the southwest
corner of the building near the fuel tank was severely damaged,
possibly by falling debris, and that the tank might have been
breached.
Mr. Jackson said that about an hour before the building's collapse,
heavy black smoke, consistent with a fuel fire of some sort, was
coming from that part of the buildin
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C02EEDD103EF933A15751C1A9679C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=2
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a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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14 Apr 2007 09:47:48 AM |
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There was no conspiracy.
Of course there was, and its details are well-documented and understandable
to anyone except a television news actor. Things like the FBI's explicit
refusal to investigate any links between Saudis and terrorists during the
summer of 2001.
Then why all the lies, propaganda, and deception?
To help spread disinformation, discredit researchers, and shield the Saudis
who launched the conspiracy.
BTW this situation is starting to resemble the research into the Kennedy
Assassination. However, in that case, the conspirators appointed only one
patsy, and then had to scramble to make sure the "single bullet theory"
would vaguely match the evidence. Oh, and they also had to scramble to make
sure the patsy couldn't talk.
That leaves open the question - was anyone else besides the patsy involved?
Hence, was there a "conspiracy"?
In our modern situation, the only thing everyone agrees about the case is
there _was_ a conspiracy. Five sleeper groups did not randomly decide to
attack at the same time. So the question is different - who was in on the
conspiracy?
One very obvious line of evidence there is who the current disinformation
campaign is trying to shield.
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "M Roberts" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:54:18 AM |
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
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13 Apr 2007 12:54:04 PM |
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have to
be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One does,
however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was controlled
destruction of the WTC.
Honu
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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13 Apr 2007 05:30:59 PM |
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"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have to
be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One does,
however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was controlled
destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a new
and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you fear
for what they may expose.
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| User: "Hertz_Donut" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:42:08 PM |
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"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
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"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have
to be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One
does, however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was
controlled destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a
new and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you
fear for what they may expose.
I am neither paid in any way related to any event or organization even
vaguely related to 9/11, nor do I see the need for any additional
investigation. As opposed to you, I am intelligent enough to see that there
was no controlled destruction, to see that a conspiracy on the scale you
want to believe in would not be possible.
You need immediate psychiatric help. Your delusions an paranoia are
dangerous to both yourself and those around you.
You have absolutely no proof of any of your claims.
You will never have any proof of any of your claims.
There was no controlled destruction.
The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can once again become a
viable member of society.
Honu
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14 Apr 2007 07:40:53 PM |
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"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have
to be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One
does, however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was
controlled destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a
new and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you
fear for what they may expose.
I am neither paid in any way related to any event or organization even
vaguely related to 9/11, nor do I see the need for any additional
investigation. As opposed to you, I am intelligent enough to see that
there was no controlled destruction, to see that a conspiracy on the scale
you want to believe in would not be possible.
I see - you disagree with me, so therefore I am not as intelligent as you
are. I doubt that very much, but I have no need to boast - I am secure. I
would suggest that you do some open-minded research, but your mind is not
open at all and my words will not persuade you otherwise.
You need immediate psychiatric help. Your delusions an paranoia are
dangerous to both yourself and those around you.
I am confident in my sanity. I am a successful engineering consultant and in
general happy with my life, though not with the fact I live in a once-great
nation that has gone fascistic.
You have absolutely no proof of any of your claims.
Have you any disproof, beyond that you are incredulous?
You will never have any proof of any of your claims.
There is more than enough physical evidence and eyewitness testimony to
justify a new and impartrial investigation. That is all I ask for. And why
not, unless there someone has something to hide?
There was no controlled destruction.
So say you, with no proof. Many others disagree.
The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can once again become a
viable member of society.
I'm doing quite well, thank you, but I suspect that you may not be.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that
can't refute an opinion with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly
attacking the person that holds the opinion. And that's all you've done
here - attack me for my opinion because you are psychologically incapable of
considering the possibility that I am right.
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14 Apr 2007 09:33:06 PM |
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have
to be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One
does, however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was
controlled destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a
new and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those
you fear for what they may expose.
I am neither paid in any way related to any event or organization even
vaguely related to 9/11, nor do I see the need for any additional
investigation. As opposed to you, I am intelligent enough to see that
there was no controlled destruction, to see that a conspiracy on the
scale you want to believe in would not be possible.
I see - you disagree with me, so therefore I am not as intelligent as you
are.
You are not stupid because you disagree with me...you are stupid because
your brain is not functioning.
I doubt that very much, but I have no need to boast - I am secure.
You are secure. Perhaps because you are so limited intellectually that you
are incapable of not feeling secure, just like you are incapapble of
coherent, independent thought.
I
would suggest that you do some open-minded research, but your mind is not
open at all and my words will not persuade you otherwise.
Research is not necessary in this matter. It is very eary to see that there
was not a conspiracy and controlled demolition with 9/11. It is you who
must du research to find a single shred of evidence of any CD, or any US
involvement in the events of 9/11.
You need immediate psychiatric help. Your delusions an paranoia are
dangerous to both yourself and those around you.
I am confident in my sanity.
Most folks with psychiatric problems are confident. It does not mean tht
you don't need help,
I am a successful engineering consultant and in
general happy with my life,
I hope you are not involved in any projects that are meant for use by human
beings. You complete misunderstanding of even the basic events of 9/11
showes that you wasted your money for your engineering education.
though not with the fact I live in a once-great
nation that has gone fascistic.
You have absolutely no proof of any of your claims.
Have you any disproof, beyond that you are incredulous?
It is not upon me to disprove you. You make the claims, you are expected to
back them up. Your reponse is typical of someone who knows they cannot
validate your claims.
You will never have any proof of any of your claims.
There is more than enough physical evidence and eyewitness testimony to
justify a new and impartrial investigation.
Kindly post valid, peer-reviewed and verified cases of of any evidence that
contradicts the official story. We'll wait while yoiu search in vain...
Also, the "eyewitness" testimony you refer to is worthless. Most of it will
be statements taken out of context, made by individuals that hve no
expertise to make educated deductions.
That is all I ask for. And why
not, unless there someone has something to hide?
I think you are the one with something to hide...for instance, any shred of
evidence of any of your claims....
There was no controlled destruction.
So say you, with no proof. Many others disagree.
disagreement is not proof. There are those that believe the Earth is flat,
or that we did not go to the moon in the 70's. That does not make them
right, just as your irrational beliefs do not make you right.
The sooner you understand that, the sooner you can once again become a
viable member of society.
I'm doing quite well, thank you,
Not when you cna be living in a fantasy world where events that never
happened are considered to be true...
but I suspect that you may not be.
I am completely rational. You are the one that sees shadows and
conspiracies where there are none.
Ad-hominem attack is the refuge of unintelligent and immature people that
can't refute an opinion with logic or facts, so they resort to childishly
attacking the person that holds the opinion.
Sort of like you have done here....
And that's all you've done
No, I have argued every point you make. You have failed to defend a single
one. I have accused you of being stupid, because you must be to believe
what you believe.
here - attack me for my opinion because you are psychologically incapable
of considering the possibility that I am right.
I don't consider the possibility that you are right because it is so
completely obvious that you are wrong. It takes no special skills to
understand what happened on 9/11. It does take suspension of truth, logic
and reason to believe that the tens or hundreds of thousands of people that
would be required to pull off a conspiracy as you claim would participate.
Honu
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
14 Apr 2007 09:14:47 AM |
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In article <DwTTh.41901$VU4.38283@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote:
"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have to
be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One does,
however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was controlled
destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a new
and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you fear
for what they may expose.
There is lots to investage and people to impeach, but the claim that
explosives or therm*te caused teh collapse of the TWC towers isn't one
of them. Either is the claim that anything but a jumbo jet hit the
Pentagon.
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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| User: "Freedom Fighter" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
14 Apr 2007 07:43:30 PM |
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <DwTTh.41901$VU4.38283@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote:
"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have
to
be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One does,
however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was controlled
destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a
new
and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you fear
for what they may expose.
There is lots to investage and people to impeach, but the claim that
explosives or therm*te caused teh collapse of the TWC towers isn't one
of them. Either is the claim that anything but a jumbo jet hit the
Pentagon.
So which of the TWO jets hit the THIRD NYC building that collapsed on 9/11?
Answer: none. It simply collapsed in sympathy and grief for its fallen
siblings, right?
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| User: "Hertz_Donut" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
14 Apr 2007 09:34:48 PM |
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"Freedom Fighter" <liberty@once.net> wrote in message
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"Al Dykes" <adykes@panix.com> wrote in message
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In article <DwTTh.41901$VU4.38283@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Freedom Fighter <liberty@once.net> wrote:
"Hertz_Donut" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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"M Roberts" <mrobe10586@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:_3LTh.8138$Kd3.254@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
Hertz_Donut
Someone earlier said it best!
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of
liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Being timid and being stupid are not the same thing. One does not have
to
be timid to see that the 9/11 conspiracy theory is bullsh*t. One does,
however, have to be especially stupid to think that there was
controlled
destruction of the WTC.
Honu
And you have to be a PAID SHILL to refuse to acknowledge the need for a
new
and impartial investigation, when all you can do is slander those you
fear
for what they may expose.
There is lots to investage and people to impeach, but the claim that
explosives or therm*te caused teh collapse of the TWC towers isn't one
of them. Either is the claim that anything but a jumbo jet hit the
Pentagon.
So which of the TWO jets hit the THIRD NYC building that collapsed on
9/11?
Answer: none. It simply collapsed in sympathy and grief for its fallen
siblings, right?
So you have proof that it did not collapse as a result of fire and
structural damage caused by the debris from WTC 1 and 2?
I made no claims about WTC 7. You did.
Loser.
Honu
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
13 Apr 2007 08:09:35 AM |
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M Roberts wrote:
"Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty"
Thomas Jefferson 1796
Ain't he the one who also said, "Let's make an Oreo!"?
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Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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| User: "Adam Whyte-Settlar" |
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13 Apr 2007 09:04:11 AM |
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"Noah's Dove" <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> wrote in message
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http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Er.. No. He most certainly wasn't.
But he's now dead so he can't laugh at you pathetic idiots like the rest of
the world.
How convenient for you. Got any more dead allies lined up?
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| User: "Al Dykes" |
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| Title: Re: Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther? |
15 Apr 2007 08:17:09 AM |
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In article <1176445460.511043.153730@w1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Noah's Dove <noahdove7@lightspeed.ca> wrote:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2007/120407kurtvonnegut.htm
Was Kurt Vonnegut A 9/11 Truther?
Cult icon was one of Bush administration's fiercest critics
Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Thursday, April 12, 2007
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday
at the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his
doubts about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other
well-known personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth
Movement.
Can you cite where Vonnegut says he believes that explosives were used
at WTC or that something other than a jumbo jet hit the Pentagon?
--
a d y k e s @ p a n i x . c o m
Don't blame me. I voted for Gore. A Proud signature since 2001
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| User: "Phlip" |
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13 Apr 2007 07:43:31 AM |
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Noah's Dove wrote:
Legendary author and cultural icon Kurt Vonnegut sadly died yesterday at
the age of 84, seemingly before he was able to go public on his doubts
about the official story behind 9/11 and join a cadre of other well-known
personalities in lending support to the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Nice. Wait till he's dead and he can't rebutt you over the "controlled
demolition" disinformation.
--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
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