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Was Noah’s flood a sign of climate change devastation to come? |
From The TimesNovember 19, 2007
Was Noah’s flood a sign of climate change devastation to come?
Yepoka Yeebo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article2896439.ece
Noah’s flood may have been responsible for the birth of modern
civilisation across Western Europe, according to research.
A deluge 8,000 years ago in what are now the Balkans is believed by
some to have given rise to the biblical story. It is being seen as a
model for the social upheaval that may result from sea-level rises
caused by climate change.
The research, led by Chris Turney, a geologist at the University of
Exeter, found that as early farmers from the Balkans travelled west
because of the flooding, their culture replaced that of the
hunter-gatherer tribes that they encountered. As they settled around
Italy and France, they established farming communities, which
eventually led to the growth of villages, towns and cities.
“People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as
though the whole world had flooded,” Professor Turney said. “This
could well have been the origin of the Noah’s Ark story. Entire
coastal communities would have been displaced, forcing people to
migrate in their thousands.”
Those most affected by the flooding would have lived on low-lying land
around the shores of the Black Sea. Professor Turney said that the
rise in sea level 8,000 years ago is roughly in line with that
expected between now and the end of the century.
“It’s quite a sobering thought,” he said. “Something of the order of
145 million people are living within a metre of sea level today. This
research shows how rising sea levels can cause massive social change.
Eight thousand years on, are we any better placed to deal with rising
sea levels?”
Before the flood, the early farmers seemed disinclined to migrate.
“They didn’t expand any further across Europe,” Professor Turney said.
“It looks like they just stopped.”
The flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age when the Laurentide
ice sheet covering much of North America collapsed, releasing vast
amounts of water and increasing global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres.
As the sea rose, it breached a ridge across the Bosphorus in Turkey,
that dammed the Mediterranean and had, up to that time, cut off the
Black Sea, which was a freshwater lake. Over 34 years the Black Sea
filled and overflowed.
Scientists from Britain and Australia simulated the Mediterranean and
Black Sea shorelines before and after the sea-level rise. The
research, published today in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews,
estimates that almost 73,000 square kilometres (28,000 square miles)
of land would have been lost, displacing 145,000 people.
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The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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20 Nov 2007 06:18:12 AM |
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Jesus fucking christ! "Noah's flood?"
"Captain Compassion" <daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net> wrote in message
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From The TimesNovember 19, 2007
Was Noah's flood a sign of climate change devastation to come?
Yepoka Yeebo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article2896439.ece
Noah's flood may have been responsible for the birth of modern
civilisation across Western Europe, according to research.
A deluge 8,000 years ago in what are now the Balkans is believed by
some to have given rise to the biblical story. It is being seen as a
model for the social upheaval that may result from sea-level rises
caused by climate change.
The research, led by Chris Turney, a geologist at the University of
Exeter, found that as early farmers from the Balkans travelled west
because of the flooding, their culture replaced that of the
hunter-gatherer tribes that they encountered. As they settled around
Italy and France, they established farming communities, which
eventually led to the growth of villages, towns and cities.
"People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as
though the whole world had flooded," Professor Turney said. "This
could well have been the origin of the Noah's Ark story. Entire
coastal communities would have been displaced, forcing people to
migrate in their thousands."
Those most affected by the flooding would have lived on low-lying land
around the shores of the Black Sea. Professor Turney said that the
rise in sea level 8,000 years ago is roughly in line with that
expected between now and the end of the century.
"It's quite a sobering thought," he said. "Something of the order of
145 million people are living within a metre of sea level today. This
research shows how rising sea levels can cause massive social change.
Eight thousand years on, are we any better placed to deal with rising
sea levels?"
Before the flood, the early farmers seemed disinclined to migrate.
"They didn't expand any further across Europe," Professor Turney said.
"It looks like they just stopped."
The flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age when the Laurentide
ice sheet covering much of North America collapsed, releasing vast
amounts of water and increasing global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres.
As the sea rose, it breached a ridge across the Bosphorus in Turkey,
that dammed the Mediterranean and had, up to that time, cut off the
Black Sea, which was a freshwater lake. Over 34 years the Black Sea
filled and overflowed.
Scientists from Britain and Australia simulated the Mediterranean and
Black Sea shorelines before and after the sea-level rise. The
research, published today in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews,
estimates that almost 73,000 square kilometres (28,000 square miles)
of land would have been lost, displacing 145,000 people.
--
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to
escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. -- Marcus Aurelius
"...the whole world, including the United States, including all that
we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark
Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights
of perverted science." -- Sir Winston Churchill
Joseph R. Darancette
daranc@NOSPAMcharter.net
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21 Nov 2007 09:04:24 PM |
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On Nov 19, 6:51 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
quoted:
From The TimesNovember 19, 2007
Was Noah's flood a sign of climate change devastation to come?
Yepoka Yeebo
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/weather/article2896439.ece
Noah's flood may have been responsible for the birth of modern
civilisation across Western Europe, according to research.
<snip>
"People living in what is now southeast Europe must have felt as
though the whole world had flooded," Professor Turney said. "This
could well have been the origin of the Noah's Ark story. Entire
coastal communities would have been displaced, forcing people to
<snip>
The flood occurred at the end of the last Ice Age when the Laurentide
ice sheet covering much of North America collapsed, releasing vast
amounts of water and increasing global sea levels by up to 1.4 metres.
As the sea rose, it breached a ridge across the Bosphorus in Turkey,
that dammed the Mediterranean and had, up to that time, cut off the
Black Sea, which was a freshwater lake. Over 34 years theBlack Sea
filled and overflowed.
<snip>
The research, published today in the journal Quaternary Science Reviews,
estimates that almost 73,000 square kilometres (28,000 square miles)
of land would have been lost, displacing 145,000 people.
Joseph R. Darancette:
I have read the offending article in Quaternary Science Reviews.
It's badly-flawed, and the event they describe does not match
the geological literature that they cite.
All of the material quoted above is speculation and opinion, not
fact.
See my analysis in
sci.archaeology, in the thread
Yet another Noah's Fluff + The Black Sea as well.
http://groups.google.ca/group/sci.archaeology/msg/89cd75579ce96e09
OR
http://tinyurl.com/37zo7a
- Daryl Krupa
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20 Nov 2007 11:20:39 AM |
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On Nov 19, 6:51 pm, Captain Compassion <dar...@NOSPAMcharter.net>
wrote:
From The TimesNovember 19, 2007
Was Noah's flood a sign of climate change devastation to come?
<snip>
A big problem with this news is that the flood that was supposed to
have been the inspiration for the Noachian flood myth has been
disproven.
That was supposed to have happened about 7500 years ago, with a year
or two, and raised Black Sea level about 135 metres, flooding an area
the size of France.
But that was not possible, because there is physical evidence that
the Black Sea level rose slowly with global sea level for centuries
before and after that date.
One of the two main proponents of the BSFloode Mk.I, Bill Ryan, came
out with a revised BSFLoode Mk.II that was supposed to have occurred
at "8.2 ka", which could be interpreted as meaning
"8200 years ago", "9000 years ago", "8500 years ago", or
some other date, depending on how the dating evidence put forward to
support the idea was interpreted.
These people chose to interpret that date as being
"8300 years ago", because that is when Glacial Lake Agassiz
last drained.
It is possible that that relatively rapid addition of water to
the global ocean triggered and inevitable overflow of
Mediterranean water into the Black Sea basin, but
a flood that takes 34 years is not so catastrophic as
the one that was supposed to have taken two years, and
a rate of sea level rise of 1/2 metre per year is
not the same as a rate of 100 metres per year, and
the area flooded by the BSFloode Mk. II would have been
about the size of Belgium.
That is not what was originally claimed for
"Noah's Flood: The Event that Changed History",
as Ryan's and Walter C. Pitman III's silly book was
so grandiosely and erroneously titled.
There is still no evidence of any sort of dam
in the Bosphorus Strait, and the dating of
the supposed flood is still contradictory, and
the BSFloode Mk. II has yet to be presented in
a proper peer-reviewed scientific journal.
Do not buy this "Noah's Flood" idea: it is scratched.
- Daryl Krupa
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