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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" |
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01 Jul 2007 02:36:15 PM |
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Was the Glasgow "car bombing" really just an ordinary car crash |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Last Updated: Sunday, 1 July 2007, 07:31 GMT 08:31 UK
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main terminal
and burst into flames is being treated as a terror attack by police.
Strathclyde Police also said the attack was being linked with the car
bombs found in central London on Friday.
The force's Chief Constable Willie Rae said: "There are clearly
similarities and we can confirm this is being treated as a terrorist
incident."
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST on Saturday.
Two further arrests were made in Cheshire in connection with the
incident in Glasgow and the car bombs found in London's West End.
Anti-terror police from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism
Command assisted by officers from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism
Unit made the arrests, Scotland Yard said.
Mr Rae earlier told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect at the
city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was being treated for severe burns and
was in a critical condition.
He said a 'suspect device' had been found on the suspect.
"As a consequence of that, the hospital was partly evacuated until the
device was removed and put into a safe area," he said.
Experts later found the item was not linked to any explosive and it was
declared safe,
(snip)
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They found no evidence of a bomb. Just a car that caught on fire which
is common after a crash. And now they say the "suspect device" was not
linked to any explosive!! And the suspect was not blown up but merely
burned!!
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Was the Glasgow "car bombing" really just an ordinary car crash |
01 Jul 2007 02:41:34 PM |
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"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Last Updated: Sunday, 1 July 2007, 07:31 GMT 08:31 UK
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main terminal
and burst into flames is being treated as a terror attack by police.
Strathclyde Police also said the attack was being linked with the car
bombs found in central London on Friday.
The force's Chief Constable Willie Rae said: "There are clearly
similarities and we can confirm this is being treated as a terrorist
incident."
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST on Saturday.
Two further arrests were made in Cheshire in connection with the incident
in Glasgow and the car bombs found in London's West End.
Anti-terror police from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism
Command assisted by officers from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit
made the arrests, Scotland Yard said.
Mr Rae earlier told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect at the
city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was being treated for severe burns and was
in a critical condition.
He said a 'suspect device' had been found on the suspect.
"As a consequence of that, the hospital was partly evacuated until the
device was removed and put into a safe area," he said.
Experts later found the item was not linked to any explosive and it was
declared safe,
(snip)
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They found no evidence of a bomb. Just a car that caught on fire which is
common after a crash. And now they say the "suspect device" was not linked
to any explosive!! And the suspect was not blown up but merely burned!!
*****.
The car had burning gasoline and propane tanks.
Fire hoses could not extinguish the propane.
The best they could do keep the tanks cool so they wouldn't explode.
The video is self evident.
Explosive are rare and difficult to find in
Great Britain due to their experience with the IRA.
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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01 Jul 2007 03:02:05 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:41:34 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote in
message news:PmThi.2614$rR.1334@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Last Updated: Sunday, 1 July 2007, 07:31 GMT 08:31 UK
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main terminal
and burst into flames is being treated as a terror attack by police.
Strathclyde Police also said the attack was being linked with the car
bombs found in central London on Friday.
The force's Chief Constable Willie Rae said: "There are clearly
similarities and we can confirm this is being treated as a terrorist
incident."
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST on Saturday.
Two further arrests were made in Cheshire in connection with the incident
in Glasgow and the car bombs found in London's West End.
Anti-terror police from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism
Command assisted by officers from the West Midlands Counter Terrorism Unit
made the arrests, Scotland Yard said.
Mr Rae earlier told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect at the
city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was being treated for severe burns and was
in a critical condition.
He said a 'suspect device' had been found on the suspect.
"As a consequence of that, the hospital was partly evacuated until the
device was removed and put into a safe area," he said.
Experts later found the item was not linked to any explosive and it was
declared safe,
(snip)
----------------
They found no evidence of a bomb. Just a car that caught on fire which is
common after a crash. And now they say the "suspect device" was not linked
to any explosive!! And the suspect was not blown up but merely burned!!
*****.
The car had burning gasoline and propane tanks.
So?
Fire hoses could not extinguish the propane.
Traditional fire hoses may not have been able to extinguish the fire
in that particular case, I don't know, but burning propane can and has
been extinguished.
The best they could do keep the tanks cool so they wouldn't explode.
The video is self evident.
All propane tanks are fitted with a pressure relief valve, granted,
you may get quite a fire, but it is doubtful the propane tanks would
"explode." Even if the relief valve fails, tanks tend to rupture, not
explode. Face it, every military in the world uses explosives, not
propane cylinders, for their fragmentation devices.
Explosive are rare and difficult to find in
Great Britain due to their experience with the IRA.
I guess that's why they didn't use any, as one CNN "terrorism expert"
admitted today.
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
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| User: "Phlip" |
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| Title: Re: Was the Glasgow "car bombing" really just an ordinary car crash |
01 Jul 2007 04:19:18 PM |
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All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
But were the drivers swarthy? That's the determining factor if they were
terrorists, right?
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Phlip
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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01 Jul 2007 04:36:05 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:19:18 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
But were the drivers swarthy? That's the determining factor if they were
terrorists, right?
I think the President of the USA reserves making that determination to
himself.
--
Galen Hekhuis
I have no idea what happened, but I assure you it was all proper.
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2007 06:42:12 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:36:05 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
<ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 14:19:18 -0700, "Phlip" <phlipcpp@yahoo.com> wrote:
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
But were the drivers swarthy? That's the determining factor if they were
terrorists, right?
I think the President of the USA reserves making that determination to
himself.
Witnesses reported that they were screaming "Allah! Allah!" as they
were taken into custody. Somehow I don't think they were Amish.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.
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| User: "Sid9" |
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| Title: Re: Was the Glasgow "car bombing" really just an ordinary car crash |
01 Jul 2007 03:57:46 PM |
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Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:41:34 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:PmThi.2614$rR.1334@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Last Updated: Sunday, 1 July 2007, 07:31 GMT 08:31 UK
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main
terminal and burst into flames is being treated as a terror attack
by police.
Strathclyde Police also said the attack was being linked with the
car bombs found in central London on Friday.
The force's Chief Constable Willie Rae said: "There are clearly
similarities and we can confirm this is being treated as a terrorist
incident."
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST on Saturday.
Two further arrests were made in Cheshire in connection with the
incident in Glasgow and the car bombs found in London's West End.
Anti-terror police from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism
Command assisted by officers from the West Midlands Counter
Terrorism Unit made the arrests, Scotland Yard said.
Mr Rae earlier told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect
at the city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was being treated for severe
burns and was in a critical condition.
He said a 'suspect device' had been found on the suspect.
"As a consequence of that, the hospital was partly evacuated until
the device was removed and put into a safe area," he said.
Experts later found the item was not linked to any explosive and it
was declared safe,
(snip)
----------------
They found no evidence of a bomb. Just a car that caught on fire
which is common after a crash. And now they say the "suspect
device" was not linked to any explosive!! And the suspect was not
blown up but merely burned!!
*****.
The car had burning gasoline and propane tanks.
So?
Fire hoses could not extinguish the propane.
Traditional fire hoses may not have been able to extinguish the fire
in that particular case, I don't know, but burning propane can and has
been extinguished.
The best they could do keep the tanks cool so they wouldn't explode.
The video is self evident.
All propane tanks are fitted with a pressure relief valve, granted,
you may get quite a fire, but it is doubtful the propane tanks would
"explode." Even if the relief valve fails, tanks tend to rupture, not
explode. Face it, every military in the world uses explosives, not
propane cylinders, for their fragmentation devices.
Explosive are rare and difficult to find in
Great Britain due to their experience with the IRA.
I guess that's why they didn't use any, as one CNN "terrorism expert"
admitted today.
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
If a propane tank is burning in a
fashion in that is causing no
external damage it is usually left
to burn out.
Precaution is taken to keep the
tank from getting so hot that the
internal pressure builds up to
explosive.
I remember a propane tanker over-
turning, catching fire and being
allowed to burn itsrlf out over at
least a week
Here's an article that may enlighten you:
During propane tank fires, the potential always exists for an explosion
known as boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion (BLEVE). To reduce this
risk, fire departments, fire fighters, and propane tank owners and users
should follow the recommendations below.
They are based on emergency response procedures in the 1996 North American
Emergency Response Guidebook (NAERG96), which were developed jointly by
Transport Canada, the U.S. Department of Transportation, and the Secretariat
of Communications and Transportation of Mexico.
Fire fighters should do the following:
a.. Fight fire from the maximum distance possible, or use unmanned hose
holders or monitor nozzles.
b.. Cool containers by flooding them with large quantities of water until
well after fire is out.
c.. Do not direct water at the source of leak or at safety devices; icing
may occur.
d.. Leave the area immediately if you hear a rising sound from venting
safety devices or see discoloration of the tank.
e.. For massive fires, use unmanned hose holders or monitor nozzles; if
this is impossible, leave the area and let the fire burn.
f.. Be aware that when a BLEVE occurs, sections of the tank can fly in any
direction. Just avoiding the ends of the tank should not be considered a
safe operating procedure.
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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01 Jul 2007 04:23:21 PM |
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On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 16:57:46 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Galen Hekhuis wrote:
On Sun, 1 Jul 2007 15:41:34 -0400, "Sid9" <sid9@bellsouth.net> wrote:
"Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS" <xeton2001@yahoo.com> wrote
in message
news:PmThi.2614$rR.1334@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/6257846.stm
Last Updated: Sunday, 1 July 2007, 07:31 GMT 08:31 UK
An incident in which a car was driven at Glasgow Airport's main
terminal and burst into flames is being treated as a terror attack
by police.
Strathclyde Police also said the attack was being linked with the
car bombs found in central London on Friday.
The force's Chief Constable Willie Rae said: "There are clearly
similarities and we can confirm this is being treated as a terrorist
incident."
Two men were arrested following the attack at 1515 BST on Saturday.
Two further arrests were made in Cheshire in connection with the
incident in Glasgow and the car bombs found in London's West End.
Anti-terror police from the Metropolitan Police's Counter Terrorism
Command assisted by officers from the West Midlands Counter
Terrorism Unit made the arrests, Scotland Yard said.
Mr Rae earlier told a news conference in Glasgow that the suspect
at the city's Royal Alexandra Hospital was being treated for severe
burns and was in a critical condition.
He said a 'suspect device' had been found on the suspect.
"As a consequence of that, the hospital was partly evacuated until
the device was removed and put into a safe area," he said.
Experts later found the item was not linked to any explosive and it
was declared safe,
(snip)
----------------
They found no evidence of a bomb. Just a car that caught on fire
which is common after a crash. And now they say the "suspect
device" was not linked to any explosive!! And the suspect was not
blown up but merely burned!!
*****.
The car had burning gasoline and propane tanks.
So?
Fire hoses could not extinguish the propane.
Traditional fire hoses may not have been able to extinguish the fire
in that particular case, I don't know, but burning propane can and has
been extinguished.
The best they could do keep the tanks cool so they wouldn't explode.
The video is self evident.
All propane tanks are fitted with a pressure relief valve, granted,
you may get quite a fire, but it is doubtful the propane tanks would
"explode." Even if the relief valve fails, tanks tend to rupture, not
explode. Face it, every military in the world uses explosives, not
propane cylinders, for their fragmentation devices.
Explosive are rare and difficult to find in
Great Britain due to their experience with the IRA.
I guess that's why they didn't use any, as one CNN "terrorism expert"
admitted today.
All these terrorists could make a large scale Molotov cocktail
That's about all it amounted to.
If a propane tank is burning in a
fashion in that is causing no
external damage it is usually left
to burn out.
Precaution is taken to keep the
tank from getting so hot that the
internal pressure builds up to
explosive.
I remember a propane tanker over-
turning, catching fire and being
allowed to burn itsrlf out over at
least a week
Here's an article that may enlighten you:
During propane tank fires, the potential always exists for an explosion
known as boiling liquid expanding vapor explosion (BLEVE). To reduce this
risk, fire departments, fire fighters, and propane tank owners and users
should follow the recommendations below.
They are based on emergency response procedures in the 1996 North American
Emergency Response Guidebook (NAERG96), which were developed jointly by
Transport Canada, the U.S. Department of Transportation, and the Secretariat
of Communications and Transportation of Mexico.
Fire fighters should do the following:
a.. Fight fire from the maximum distance possible, or use unmanned hose
holders or monitor nozzles.
b.. Cool containers by flooding them with large quantities of water until
well after fire is out.
c.. Do not direct water at the source of leak or at safety devices; icing
may occur.
d.. Leave the area immediately if you hear a rising sound from venting
safety devices or see discoloration of the tank.
e.. For massive fires, use unmanned hose holders or monitor nozzles; if
this is impossible, leave the area and let the fire burn.
f.. Be aware that when a BLEVE occurs, sections of the tank can fly in any
direction. Just avoiding the ends of the tank should not be considered a
safe operating procedure.
Hazardous materials, to be sure, bombs? Not so much. You will note
that they say cylinders of propane may explode when heated and
especially if the safety device fails. Note the "may." A stick of
dynamite (or nitro or whatever) should explode, there's no "may" about
it. Burning propane tanks may hurl shrapnel when they violently
rupture, or explode if you prefer, but then again they may not. They
certainly won't fling boxes of nails around. If you carefully
attached nails to the tanks you might get a piece of shrapnel with
nails on it, but then again you may not. That kind of uncertainty
isn't exactly what you want in a bomb. These were incendiary
devices, and not very good ones at that.
--
Galen Hekhuis
Hell hath no fury like a bird in the hand
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| User: "" |
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01 Jul 2007 06:40:58 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:23:21 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
<ghekhuis@earthlink.net> wrote:
f.. Be aware that when a BLEVE occurs, sections of the tank can fly in any
direction. Just avoiding the ends of the tank should not be considered a
safe operating procedure.
Hazardous materials, to be sure, bombs? Not so much. You will note
that they say cylinders of propane may explode when heated and
especially if the safety device fails. Note the "may." A stick of
dynamite (or nitro or whatever) should explode, there's no "may" about
it. Burning propane tanks may hurl shrapnel when they violently
rupture, or explode if you prefer, but then again they may not. They
certainly won't fling boxes of nails around. If you carefully
attached nails to the tanks you might get a piece of shrapnel with
nails on it, but then again you may not. That kind of uncertainty
isn't exactly what you want in a bomb. These were incendiary
devices, and not very good ones at that.
And...you're COMPLAINING that they were incompetent???
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.
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| User: "Galen Hekhuis" |
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01 Jul 2007 07:01:19 PM |
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On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 16:40:58 -0700, wrote:
On Sun, 01 Jul 2007 17:23:21 -0400, Galen Hekhuis
< > wrote:
f.. Be aware that when a BLEVE occurs, sections of the tank can fly in any
direction. Just avoiding the ends of the tank should not be considered a
safe operating procedure.
Hazardous materials, to be sure, bombs? Not so much. You will note
that they say cylinders of propane may explode when heated and
especially if the safety device fails. Note the "may." A stick of
dynamite (or nitro or whatever) should explode, there's no "may" about
it. Burning propane tanks may hurl shrapnel when they violently
rupture, or explode if you prefer, but then again they may not. They
certainly won't fling boxes of nails around. If you carefully
attached nails to the tanks you might get a piece of shrapnel with
nails on it, but then again you may not. That kind of uncertainty
isn't exactly what you want in a bomb. These were incendiary
devices, and not very good ones at that.
And...you're COMPLAINING that they were incompetent???
No, I'm complaining that so much attention is being paid to these
non-events. There's no letup of coverage of these events, and the
message is "be afraid." Even if it were entirely successful (which it
wasn't) the damage would be far less than what some fantasies in the
press would have us believe. Airline security and stuff is stepped up
because of a bunch of bozos. These resources and things may well be
needed in the event of a real threat.
--
Galen Hekhuis
Illiterate? Write for FREE help
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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01 Jul 2007 11:27:40 PM |
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I always heard that propane was a gas at normal atmospheric pressure, so
there really wouldn't have been much of it around after the initial couple
of seconds, or if the
containment tanks blew up. Regardless, propane would have been a flash in
the pan...er!...Jeep.
But all was not lost, as at least one of the perps was barbecued on the way
to see if allah gave a crap.
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| User: "" |
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02 Jul 2007 12:06:00 AM |
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On Mon, 02 Jul 2007 04:27:40 GMT, "Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net>
wrote:
I always heard that propane was a gas at normal atmospheric pressure, so
there really wouldn't have been much of it around after the initial couple
of seconds, or if the
containment tanks blew up. Regardless, propane would have been a flash in
the pan...er!...Jeep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4vDNwdiPR0&mode=related&search=
This was in an open field with a *very* small tank. There are dozens
more on You-Tube, far more powerful.
But all was not lost, as at least one of the perps was barbecued on the way
to see if allah gave a crap.
The 72 virgins holding marshmellows on sticks were a bad sign.
--
Paleontologists recently announced they have
discovered when Man first discovered language:
Just after he invented the hammer and nail.
And it was BAD language.
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