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Topic: Politics > Politics-USA
User: "Harry Hope"
Date: 04 Aug 2003 08:35:22 PM
Object: Washington Post accuses Bush of deception.
From a Washington Post editorial, 8/4/03:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17026-2003Aug3.html?referrer=emailarticle

Calling for Candor
Monday, August 4, 2003; Page A14
IT'S MORE CRITICAL than ever that the administration level with
lawmakers and the American people about the likely financial costs of
U.S. involvement in Iraq.
But it's not happening.
The evasion has a familiar feel.
In the weeks leading up to the war, the administration treated anyone
who had the temerity to ask about cost as a boob who failed to
comprehend that such figures were, as Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld said, "not knowable."
Then, five days into the fighting, the administration produced a
remarkably precise figure for the size of the check it needed Congress
to cut -- instantly.
At the same time, the administration waved off questions about the
costs of postwar reconstruction, pointing confidently to billions in
oil revenue and seized assets.
As it turns out, the anticipated oil revenue this year will be a
relative trickle, and the amount anticipated for 2004 is far less than
needed to get Iraq functioning.

All of which only makes the latest go-round that much more galling and
ultimately counterproductive.
The United States needs to build public support and understanding for
a sustained presence in Iraq, and one precondition will be candor.
Sustaining the current level of troops, which administration officials
acknowledge will be required for the near future, runs close to $4
billion a month.
In an interview with CNBC's "Capital Report," L. Paul Bremer pegged
the cost of reconstruction in Iraq at "probably well above $50
billion, $60 billion, maybe $100 billion."
While some of the requisite funds will come from Iraqi oil revenue or
other countries, the United States is inevitably going to foot a big
chunk of the bill.
So you might think that the administration would build some costs for
Iraq into next year's budget, now moving through Congress.
Or at least provide an estimate of what it will request in a
supplemental spending bill later.
Or a range of likely costs.
Instead, administration officials are back to the "not knowable"
dodge.
The costs can't be stated, White House budget director Joshua B.
Bolten told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the other day,
"simply because we don't know what they will be."
Mr. Bolten's response provoked an outpouring of frustration -- and not
just from Democrats.
"I know there are some uncertainties," said Ohio Republican George V.
Voinovich.
"But I think you can figure out a conservative number and share it
with us."
Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, told Mr. Bolten that failing to come up with
reasonable estimates "is going to lead, I believe, to a lot of
partisan haggling, bad surprises, whoever is president coming up with
supplementals, running out of money unexpectedly. It wasn't
unexpected. All of this is fully expected. And so while we are all
fully expecting, let us say so."
Administration officials argue that to release estimates now would
just set them up for criticism when final costs inevitably diverge and
that agencies will inflate their needs to spend the full targeted
amount.
But those risks hardly outweigh the harm of this hide-the-ball
budgeting.
A successful mission in Iraq requires the administration to enlist
partners: among allies, among lawmakers, among the American people.
An honest discussion about costs, even if belated, is an essential
prerequisite.
_____________________________________________________
That sounds logical but the words "logical" and "truth" don't seem to
appear anywhere in the Bushie dictionary.
Harry
.

User: "minerva"

Title: Re: Washington Post accuses Bush of deception. 04 Aug 2003 09:15:47 PM
Harry Hope wrote:


From a Washington Post editorial, 8/4/03:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17026-2003Aug3.html?referrer=emailarticle

Calling for Candor

Monday, August 4, 2003; Page A14

IT'S MORE CRITICAL than ever that the administration level with
lawmakers and the American people about the likely financial costs of
U.S. involvement in Iraq.
[large snip]
Sustaining the current level of troops, which administration officials
acknowledge will be required for the near future, runs close to $4
billion a month.

[larger snip]
Harry

Well, aren't they a little late? This is "old hat", really behind the
times. Where has "The Post" been snoozing all this time. We have been
on the newsgroups writing about these matters, asking questions,
probing, observing the obvious, making a few predictions. I have really
begun to see over the last several months how the newsgroup writers, in
spite of the "spite", hostility, rancor, and backbiting, etc., are way
ahead of the mainstream press. We are the cutting edge, and more often
right than not. The "Post" has lost its edge, its credibility, and its
leadership as the paper to read and quote. They are dull, boring and
predictable. Whatever they have to say is already either in the
newsgroups, on all-news radio, on the internet, and in the NY Times.
Arrivaderci, The Post is toast.
minerva
.

User: "PlanetJ"

Title: Re: Washington Post accuses Bush of deception. 04 Aug 2003 10:11:10 PM
Washington Post? The paper with as much credibility as Jesse Jackson or
Larry Flynt? I would not wipe my ***** with the post.
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:0f2uivo6vpfgll4un3h54dqfiu1i57haja@4ax.com...


From a Washington Post editorial, 8/4/03:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A17026-2003Aug3.html?referrer=emailarticle


Calling for Candor

Monday, August 4, 2003; Page A14

IT'S MORE CRITICAL than ever that the administration level with
lawmakers and the American people about the likely financial costs of
U.S. involvement in Iraq.

But it's not happening.

The evasion has a familiar feel.

In the weeks leading up to the war, the administration treated anyone
who had the temerity to ask about cost as a boob who failed to
comprehend that such figures were, as Defense Secretary Donald
Rumsfeld said, "not knowable."

Then, five days into the fighting, the administration produced a
remarkably precise figure for the size of the check it needed Congress
to cut -- instantly.

At the same time, the administration waved off questions about the
costs of postwar reconstruction, pointing confidently to billions in
oil revenue and seized assets.

As it turns out, the anticipated oil revenue this year will be a
relative trickle, and the amount anticipated for 2004 is far less than
needed to get Iraq functioning.

All of which only makes the latest go-round that much more galling and
ultimately counterproductive.

The United States needs to build public support and understanding for
a sustained presence in Iraq, and one precondition will be candor.

Sustaining the current level of troops, which administration officials
acknowledge will be required for the near future, runs close to $4
billion a month.

In an interview with CNBC's "Capital Report," L. Paul Bremer pegged
the cost of reconstruction in Iraq at "probably well above $50
billion, $60 billion, maybe $100 billion."

While some of the requisite funds will come from Iraqi oil revenue or
other countries, the United States is inevitably going to foot a big
chunk of the bill.

So you might think that the administration would build some costs for
Iraq into next year's budget, now moving through Congress.

Or at least provide an estimate of what it will request in a
supplemental spending bill later.

Or a range of likely costs.

Instead, administration officials are back to the "not knowable"
dodge.

The costs can't be stated, White House budget director Joshua B.
Bolten told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee the other day,
"simply because we don't know what they will be."

Mr. Bolten's response provoked an outpouring of frustration -- and not
just from Democrats.

"I know there are some uncertainties," said Ohio Republican George V.
Voinovich.

"But I think you can figure out a conservative number and share it
with us."

Sen. Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.), chairman of the Senate Foreign
Relations Committee, told Mr. Bolten that failing to come up with
reasonable estimates "is going to lead, I believe, to a lot of
partisan haggling, bad surprises, whoever is president coming up with
supplementals, running out of money unexpectedly. It wasn't
unexpected. All of this is fully expected. And so while we are all
fully expecting, let us say so."

Administration officials argue that to release estimates now would
just set them up for criticism when final costs inevitably diverge and
that agencies will inflate their needs to spend the full targeted
amount.

But those risks hardly outweigh the harm of this hide-the-ball
budgeting.

A successful mission in Iraq requires the administration to enlist
partners: among allies, among lawmakers, among the American people.

An honest discussion about costs, even if belated, is an essential
prerequisite.

_____________________________________________________

That sounds logical but the words "logical" and "truth" don't seem to
appear anywhere in the Bushie dictionary.

Harry


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