Politics > Politics-USA > We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But...
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"Mike" |
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22 Aug 2004 08:53:27 AM |
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We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
there's a difference.
Bush cheated ACTIVELY and that's by HIMSELF. If he had not cheated, he would
have been sent to Vietnam.
Kerry just PASSIVELY accepted a medal that he might not be so qualified to
have. Millitary officials are always very willing to get medals for their
subordinates (direct and indirect), because the more medals his subordinates
have, a better official he will be in the eyes of his supervisor; the medals
also stimulate his subordinates fight more bravely. Almost every official
pactice this way (even till today) and almost every subordinate accepts the
medals.
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| User: "Steven Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 11:41:08 AM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:53:27 -0400, Mike wrote:
there's a difference.
Bush cheated ACTIVELY and that's by HIMSELF. If he had not cheated, he would
have been sent to Vietnam.
Kerry just PASSIVELY accepted a medal that he might not be so qualified to
have. Millitary officials are always very willing to get medals for their
subordinates (direct and indirect), because the more medals his subordinates
have, a better official he will be in the eyes of his supervisor; the medals
also stimulate his subordinates fight more bravely. Almost every official
pactice this way (even till today) and almost every subordinate accepts the
medals.
Nice try to backdoor the charge that Kerry somehow did not deserve his
medals. Kudos for the use of highlighted words in the above post... Bush
is ACTIVE HIMSELF... Kerry on the other hand is PASSIVE. Take note of how
the poster gives a little in the first paragraph saying Bush cheated to
stay out of Viet-nam. Ultimately a matter unprovable either way. The real
point of the post is in the second paragraph On the surface it says
something about causing subordinates to fight "more bravely", another
unprovable assumption. What the reader is left with is the thought "hmm,
this guy is a pro-Kerry supporter and even he believes he did not earn the
medals." The poster is not a Kerry supporter, never has been, never will
be. Kerry is a national hero, has been since Viet-nam and always will be.
Slanderous acussations by a few with a political agenda who were "in the
rough vicinity" notwithstanding.
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| User: "Mike" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 11:43:20 AM |
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I think integrity is more important than bravery concerning the position of
the president of a nation.
My introduction of the phenomenon that "millitary officials are intentiously
helping subordinates to have medals" helps proving Kerry has more integrity
than Bush.
When only bravery is concerned, I would say everyone that had fought in
Vietnam, no matter willingly or reluctantly, no matter with medal or without
is more qualified than Bush to be the chief in command.
"Steven Hunter" <Steve123NOTHERE@trip.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.22.16.41.06.598798@trip.net...
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 09:53:27 -0400, Mike wrote:
there's a difference.
Bush cheated ACTIVELY and that's by HIMSELF. If he had not cheated, he
would
have been sent to Vietnam.
Kerry just PASSIVELY accepted a medal that he might not be so qualified
to
have. Millitary officials are always very willing to get medals for
their
subordinates (direct and indirect), because the more medals his
subordinates
have, a better official he will be in the eyes of his supervisor; the
medals
also stimulate his subordinates fight more bravely. Almost every
official
pactice this way (even till today) and almost every subordinate accepts
the
medals.
Nice try to backdoor the charge that Kerry somehow did not deserve his
medals. Kudos for the use of highlighted words in the above post... Bush
is ACTIVE HIMSELF... Kerry on the other hand is PASSIVE. Take note of how
the poster gives a little in the first paragraph saying Bush cheated to
stay out of Viet-nam. Ultimately a matter unprovable either way. The real
point of the post is in the second paragraph On the surface it says
something about causing subordinates to fight "more bravely", another
unprovable assumption. What the reader is left with is the thought "hmm,
this guy is a pro-Kerry supporter and even he believes he did not earn the
medals." The poster is not a Kerry supporter, never has been, never will
be. Kerry is a national hero, has been since Viet-nam and always will be.
Slanderous acussations by a few with a political agenda who were "in the
rough vicinity" notwithstanding.
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| User: "Steven Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 12:27:39 PM |
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This whole swift boat thing is to me the most despicable bit of politics
that this country has ever seen. To deliberately lie about an American
soldier's --John Kerry's--acts of valour and heroism in the pursuit of
political gain will be referenced to by future historians as a low point
in Presidential politics.
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| User: "DDB" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 12:49:06 PM |
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"Steven Hunter" <Steve123NOTHERE@trip.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.22.17.27.38.3282@trip.net...
This whole swift boat thing is to me the most despicable bit of politics
that this country has ever seen. To deliberately lie about an American
soldier's --John Kerry's--acts of valour and heroism in the pursuit of
political gain will be referenced to by future historians as a low point
in Presidential politics.
The point is, Steven that it is highly decorated Heros who are makeing the
claims and remember they also have been decorated for valour. Kerry wrapped
himself in the flag during his acceptance speech and has made his vietnam
record a corner stone for his campaign. It goes with out saying that someone
was going to challenge him especially since these same folks have been
challenging him periodically since his 1971 testimony in front of the senate
where he lied about the actions of this real band of brothers!
The fact is Kerry's record needs to be srutinized as much and Bush's has
been in the last 4 or 5 years. Kerry has been getting a free ride while his
Lackies MOVE ON and ohters have been lying about Bush all along so it's time
he got a little taste.
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| User: "Steven Hunter" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 01:30:44 PM |
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The point is not to scrutinize Kerry's record. The point is to diminish
his heroism. A clear look at the historical record and current physical
eyewitnesses easily support Senator Kerry. On the other hand on the Swift
Boat side we have people that were in the general area something akin to
anyone who lived in Brentwood during the 90s offering up their knowledge
of what OJ really did.
Being highly decorated does not make you an unchallengable expert on
activities tangentally (if barely even that) related to your experiences.
If you are doing something wrong, as they currently are, they should be
called on it.
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| User: "DDB" |
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| Title: Re: We all know that both Kerry and Bush did something that is not very honorable. But... |
22 Aug 2004 04:10:56 PM |
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"Steven Hunter" <Steve123NOTHERE@trip.net> wrote in message
news:pan.2004.08.22.18.30.42.242431@trip.net...
The point is not to scrutinize Kerry's record. The point is to diminish
his heroism. A clear look at the historical record and current physical
eyewitnesses easily support Senator Kerry. On the other hand on the Swift
Boat side we have people that were in the general area something akin to
anyone who lived in Brentwood during the 90s offering up their knowledge
of what OJ really did.
Being highly decorated does not make you an unchallengable expert on
activities tangentally (if barely even that) related to your experiences.
If you are doing something wrong, as they currently are, they should be
called on it.
Until the media Scrutinize his records, all of his records we will never who
did something wrong eiother him for lying or the swift boat folks for lying.
The fact is someone is lying and initial findings e.g. 1968 christmas eve in
Cambodia has already been proven false so it really makes Kerry the
questionable character here.
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