Politics > Politics-USA > "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"
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12 Jan 2007 08:42:31 PM |
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"We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
Americans of "Hispanic" heritage have been called "Mexican"
early on,
this is not something new.
Our own Senator Chavez said, "We are "Americans" when we go
to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"
After World War II because of the discrimination practices
Hispanic Veterans were encountering, Senator Dennis Ch=E1vez
made front page news when he stated that: We are "Americans"
when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans".
Mr Dennis Ch=E1vez was elected to the House of Representatives
in 1930, and to the Senate in 1935, where he served until his
death on November 18, 1962.
"El Senator" also stated that "Hispanics" are American BEFORE
Plymouth Rock.
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For further reading:
Crouch, Barry A. "Dennis Ch=E1vez and Roosevelt's 'Court-Packing' Plan."
New Mexico
Historical Review 42 (October 1967): pp. 261-280.
Fincher E.B. The Mexican American. New York: Arno Press, 1974.
Lujan, Joe Roy. "Dennis Ch=E1vez and the Roosevelt Era, 1933-1945."
Ph.D. dissertation,
University of New Mexico, 1987.
Pickens, William H. "Bronson Cutting vs. Dennis Ch=E1vez: Battle of the
Patrones in New
Mexico, 1934." New Mexico Historical Review 46 (January 1971): pp.
5-36.
Pickens, William H. "Cutting vs. Ch=E1vez: A Reply to Wolf's Comments."
New Mexico
Historical Review 47 (October 1972): pp. 337-359.
Seligmann, G.L., Jr. "The Purge That Fails: The 1934 Senatorial
Election in New Mexico, Yet
Another View." New Mexico Historical Review 47 (October 1972): pp.
361-381.
Vigil, Maurilio and Lujan, Roy. "Parallels in the Career of Two
Hispanic U.S. Senators."
Journal of Ethnic Studies 13 (Winter 1986): pp. 1-20.
Wolf, T. Phillip. "Cutting vs. Ch=E1vez Re-Examined: A Commentary on
Pickens; Analysis." New
Mexico Historical Review 47 (October 1972): pp. 317-336.
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 09:30:19 AM |
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"We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and
when we return, we are 'Mexicans'"
And if/when the U.S. goes to war with Mexico (as a former U.S.
Defense Secretary predicted may actually occur this millennium) ...
what will they be *THEN*?
But really, the "We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and when we
return, we are 'Mexicans'" statement is akin to someone saying,
"When I go to work at McDonalds I do what my
McDonalds bosses tell me to do ... but once I
take off my McDonalds uniform and get home
my temporary 'loyalty-of-convenience' goes
out the window -- I wonder if Taco Bell is hiring?"
That may be fine and understandable insofar as *company* loyalties is
concerned ... but what a hell of an attitude for any "American" to have
vis a vis his national loyalties.
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 10:02:17 AM |
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On 14 Jan 2007 07:30:19 -0800, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer@adelphia.com"
<guybannister58@aol.com> wrote:
"We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and
when we return, we are 'Mexicans'"
And if/when the U.S. goes to war with Mexico (as a former U.S.
Defense Secretary predicted may actually occur this millennium) ...
what will they be *THEN*?
But really, the "We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and when we
return, we are 'Mexicans'" statement is akin to someone saying,
"When I go to work at McDonalds I do what my
McDonalds bosses tell me to do ... but once I
take off my McDonalds uniform and get home
my temporary 'loyalty-of-convenience' goes
out the window -- I wonder if Taco Bell is hiring?"
That may be fine and understandable insofar as *company* loyalties is
concerned ... but what a hell of an attitude for any "American" to have
vis a vis his national loyalties.
Than entire post went right over your pointy little head, didn't it?
Chavez' comment was directed at those who felt it was fine for
Hispanics to fight and die for the US, but, when they return from the
conflict, they again assume their role as second class citizens -
hence, "Mexicans".
WB Yeats
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 12:37:08 PM |
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wrote:
On 14 Jan 2007 07:30:19 -0800, "GeorgeWashingtonAdmirer@adelphia.com"
<guybannister58@aol.com> wrote:
"We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and
when we return, we are 'Mexicans'"
And if/when the U.S. goes to war with Mexico (as a former U.S.
Defense Secretary predicted may actually occur this millennium) ...
what will they be *THEN*?
But really, the "We are 'Americans' when we go to war, and when we
return, we are 'Mexicans'" statement is akin to someone saying,
"When I go to work at McDonalds I do what my
McDonalds bosses tell me to do ... but once I
take off my McDonalds uniform and get home
my temporary 'loyalty-of-convenience' goes
out the window -- I wonder if Taco Bell is hiring?"
That may be fine and understandable insofar as *company* loyalties is
concerned ... but what a hell of an attitude for any "American" to have
vis a vis his national loyalties.
Than entire post went right over your pointy little head, didn't it?
Chavez' comment was directed at those who felt it was fine for
Hispanics to fight and die for the US, but, when they return from the
conflict, they again assume their role as second class citizens -
hence, "Mexicans".
Exactly! That comment by USofA Senator Chavez, "We are "Americans"
when
we go to war, and "Mexicans" when we return" 1940s, also shows that
this
"Hispanic" role of the second class citizen was Not only in recent
years, but goes
back decades. If you know USofA history it goes back to the mid 1800s
in the southwestern USofA.
WB Yeats
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"... |
09 Mar 2007 10:52:01 PM |
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On Jan 14, 1:01 pm, wrote:
WB Yeats wrote:
Than entire post went right over your
pointy little head, didn't it? Chavez'
comment was directed at those who felt
it was fine for Hispanics to fight and die
for the US, but, when they return from
the conflict, they again assume their
role as second class citizens - hence,
"Mexicans".
It is just fine for anyone, regardless of nationality, that lives in the
USA, and enjoys the opportunity and benefits the USA has to offer, to
fight and die if there is a war. That's what American's do. Since you
choose to make this about Mexican's
No it was not the choice of the USofAs
who fought for this country to return
home to their 2nd class status and
referred to as "Mexicans". They are
Americans.
so be it....It is the Mexican's
choice to be America or Mexican,
They're American. They were born
in the USofA, get it?
it seems to me if one goes goes to war
as an American then comes back setting themselves apart from
American's,
They did not set themselves apart, they
were and are USofAmericans.
then that is his choice to set himself apart and whine, and
use the race card,
You are the ones whining even though in the
recent past, there could be only One (1) Hispanic
go through medical school, there were quotas in
other areas as well, a certain number of teachers,
ect ect.
at every chance they get.
Get over yourself. It is this bunch of screwballs that are always
playing the race card wanting to be placed ahead
I guarantee you that Hispanics have not
been given a pass.
of everyone else that
keeps separation going. You probably couldn't make it in a world were
everyone was equal,
"Equal" means that you and your ilk will
have to really compete, eh.
had the same opportunities, you have to rely on
affirmative action,
Aren't you proud, while you were getting
preferential treatment and much more than
affirmative action, Americans of
Hispanic heritage were systematically
Being kept out of the medical
profession, politics, teaching, and
any area considered a threat by "anglos".
This could not have been accomplished
Without the aid of my powerful USofA
Government and Military.
and the race card, when something doesn't go your
way.
Looks like it is you who is playing the
"race card", because now you have to compete
and apparently cannot.
So how much of that going to war as an American and coming back as a
Mexican your own fault ?
None of it was the "fault" of the Americans
of Hispanic heritage.
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"... |
10 Mar 2007 10:11:02 AM |
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On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
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| User: "T Jr Hardman" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, weare "Mexicans"... |
11 Mar 2007 09:15:14 AM |
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Kcajyer wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
None such are now alive.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
As an extreme minority. The French have a far better claim.
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A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.
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| User: "Steely from Yokohama" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"... |
10 Mar 2007 12:01:23 PM |
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On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over. Saying it again won't
make those things true and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you. Get a better schtick.
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| User: "Jim" |
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11 Mar 2007 01:58:10 PM |
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"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over. Saying it again won't
make those things true and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you. Get a better schtick.
Because he can't find better 'schtick', he's a troll guys, he makes no
sense, never really has and prolly never will.
His thing is to make wild statements just get a rise.
It's RAMON, ok lets say that again... It's RAMON.
We all know he's a defective.
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| User: "Steely from Yokohama" |
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11 Mar 2007 09:53:23 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:58:10 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over. Saying it again won't
make those things true and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you. Get a better schtick.
Because he can't find better 'schtick', he's a troll guys, he makes no
sense, never really has and prolly never will.
His thing is to make wild statements just get a rise.
It's RAMON, ok lets say that again... It's RAMON.
We all know he's a defective.
I know, and I very seldom address him. He is a troll obviously, but he
is a certain kind of troll, in that he actually believes what he's
saying for the most part. His balony has been sliced and diced and
disproven: factually, rhetorically, and completely. Yet, he always
comes back a few weeks later if that long, using one of his puppets to
repeat the very same arguments that were just laughed off the stage.
Like duuuuh it bounced of the wooden block in his head and went back
out his ear again.
Neverminding whose side he is on or any of that... Just the fact that
someone would "think" and behave in that way continually, makes me
think of them as not really homo sapien, you know. I mean, if this is
the behavior you get, what do you need a human for? Just get an old
ape and a dog that never tires of chasing the same stick. Whatever he
eats, the oxygen he breathes for that matter, it's being wasted. So
many other organisms that actually have useful and beneficial
functions, in exchange for the nutrients they utilize.
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| User: "Jim" |
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12 Mar 2007 12:42:19 PM |
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"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:58:10 -0700, "Jim" <delta1@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Steely from Yokohama" <was-hoy-paloy@postamerica.net> wrote in message
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On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajyer1@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which
was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over. Saying it again won't
make those things true and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you. Get a better schtick.
Because he can't find better 'schtick', he's a troll guys, he makes no
sense, never really has and prolly never will.
His thing is to make wild statements just get a rise.
It's RAMON, ok lets say that again... It's RAMON.
We all know he's a defective.
I know, and I very seldom address him. He is a troll obviously, but he
is a certain kind of troll, in that he actually believes what he's
saying for the most part. His balony has been sliced and diced and
disproven: factually, rhetorically, and completely. Yet, he always
comes back a few weeks later if that long, using one of his puppets to
repeat the very same arguments that were just laughed off the stage.
Like duuuuh it bounced of the wooden block in his head and went back
out his ear again.
Neverminding whose side he is on or any of that... Just the fact that
someone would "think" and behave in that way continually, makes me
think of them as not really homo sapien, you know. I mean, if this is
the behavior you get, what do you need a human for? Just get an old
ape and a dog that never tires of chasing the same stick. Whatever he
eats, the oxygen he breathes for that matter, it's being wasted. So
many other organisms that actually have useful and beneficial
functions, in exchange for the nutrients they utilize.
Agree, and I understand, I'm guilty of responding to him as well.
Mostly I think because he's such a tasty moving target, it's hard to resist.
My biggest hope is that he hasn't reproduced, we've got enough degradation
of the gene pool coming out of central America as it is ;0)
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"... |
10 Mar 2007 12:23:08 PM |
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On Mar 10, 11:01 am, Steely from Yokohama <was-hoy-
pa...@postamerica.net> wrote:
On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong
You and your ilk have Not proved
what is posted is incorrect.
a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over.
Because it is true, that's why.
Saying it again won't
make those things true
It maybe something you would like to
ignore, but it definitely is the truth.
and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you.
There's lots of people that agree
including the USofA Government.
Get a better schtick.- Hide quoted text -
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| User: "T Jr Hardman" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, weare "Mexicans"... |
11 Mar 2007 09:16:31 AM |
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Kcajyer wrote:
On Mar 10, 11:01 am, Steely from Yokohama <was-hoy-
pa...@postamerica.net> wrote:
On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong
You and your ilk have Not proved
what is posted is incorrect.
You know you're insane, right?
a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over.
Because it is true, that's why.
You know you're insane, right?
Saying it again won't
make those things true
It maybe something you would like to
ignore, but it definitely is the truth.
You know you're insane, right?
and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you.
There's lots of people that agree
including the USofA Government.
You know you're insane, right?
Get a better schtick.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans"... |
11 Mar 2007 11:40:48 AM |
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On Mar 11, 7:16 am, T Jr Hardman
<blockspam_thard...@thomashardman.com> wrote:
Kcajyer wrote:
On Mar 10, 11:01 am, Steely from Yokohama <was-hoy-
p...@postamerica.net> wrote:
On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong
You and your ilk have Not proved
what is posted is incorrect.
You know you're insane, right?
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
a thousand times now. Why do you
come back playing that tape loop over & over.
Because it is true, that's why.
You know you're insane, right?
Saying it again won't
make those things true
It maybe something you would like to
ignore, but it definitely is the truth.
You know you're insane, right?
and it won't make you right, certainly isn't
going to make people agree with you.
There's lots of people that agree
including the USofA Government.
You know you're insane, right?
Get a better schtick.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
--http://thomashardman.com/Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
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| User: "Jim" |
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11 Mar 2007 02:12:33 PM |
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"Kcajyer" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
Wrong Ramon, your information is a perversion of the facts twisted to fit
your pathetic little trolling.
I challenge you to show where it states that Hispanics have returned to be
second class citizens in the report.
Also dipshit, if your gonna go that route anyone who ever served can make
that claim, all soldiers , no mater what ethnic background have experienced
a certain amount of indifference to their service. Hispanics aren't the only
ones as you'd have people believe.
I'm really sick of your whining.
Fact is a soldier worth anything isn't asking for special treatment, he
understands the obligations he has taken and accepts the consequences that
go with it when he takes the oath. Mostly we would just be happy with a
simple thank you. Or in the case of a soldier who is injured we would only
ask that the country we fought for take decent care of us in reparation for
our sacrifice. Something that is sadly lacking in most case's, no mater what
race you hail from.
Something I'm sure you've NEVER had the courage to do. So do those of us did
a favor and go ***** yourself...... to death. Your a disgusting example of
the race you proclaim to defend.
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On Mar 11, 12:12 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173631248.022018.87020@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
I challenge you to show where it states that Hispanics have returned to be
second class citizens in the report.
Here is the newspaper clipping about Hispanics
being refused medical care at the VA Hospitals,
and also mentions the "one Hispanic doctor" per
year. That IS Americans of Hispanic heritage
fighting for the USofA and returning home to
the 2nd class citizenship or worse.
Dr Hector Perez Garcia Founder of the American GI Forum
by Toni Perez, National Hispanic Reporter, Corpus Christi, Tx --
The motto of the American GI Forum was the driving force behind a
courageous man-- Hector Perez Garcia.
When "Dr. Hector" formed the American GI Forum on March 26, 1948, his
goal was to provide good health care for veterans who needed it and
were REFUSED because they were "Mexicans".
He had no idea of the impact he and his organization would have on the
state of Texas and the nation.
Dr. Garcia was born in Liera, Tamaulipas, Mexico on January 17, 1914
to a college professor and a school teacher.
In 1918, the Garcia family immigrated to Mercedes, Texas in the Rio
Grande Valley after they escaped an attack on their village during the
Mexican Revolution.
Although his parents were educated, Dr Garcia and his family were
forced to work in the fields in South Texas in order to survive. This
was perhaps the first taste of discrimination tht the Garcias had
faced in Texas.
In spite of their meager beginnings in Texas, Dr. Garcia's father
always stressed the importance of a good education in order to succeed
in life. He encouraged his children to break what seemed to be the
natural order for Mexican Americans in the Southwest at that time--
poorly educated, poorly nouished, poorly paid and poorly treated.
During a time when "mejicanos" only had a third grade education, Dr
Garcia graduated as the valedictorian of his high school class.
After he graduated with honors from the University of Texas with a
degree in zoology, Dr. Garcia decided not to pursue his first love--a
career in teaching. Rather, he chose to pursue a career in medicine
because of the independence he would gain as a physician.
His admittance into the UT Medical School in Galveston was not
difficult because of his outstanding educational performance along
with the fact that ONLY ONE MEXICAN AMERICAN could be admitted into
the school each year. Dr. Garcia was the lucky one in 1940.
Dr. Garcia volunteered for Army duty in 1942 during World War II. He
served as an infantry officer, a combat engineer officer and, when the
Army finally allowed him to practice medicine, a medical corps officer
before being discharged as a Major. Dr. Garcia was awarded a Bronze
Star with six battle stars for his service in North Africa and Italy.
When Dr. Garcia returned to Corpus Christi after the war in 1946, he
was anxious to begin in medical practice. He opened his office next
door to the United States Veterans Administration office. He accepted
an offer from the VA to take in sick veterans, for which he was to
receive $3.00 per patient.
Many of these patients had served in the Pacific and were HISPANIC.
THEY HAD TRIED TO BE TREATED BY DOCTORS IN THE
NAVAL AIR STATION HOSPITAL BUT HAD BEEN DENIED.
To deny Mexican American veterans the right to good health care and
treat them as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS after fighting overseas to protect
the democracy and freedom that Americans enjoy was totally
unacceptable to Dr. Garcia.
Also dipshit, if your gonna go that route anyone who ever served can make
that claim, all soldiers , no mater what ethnic background have experienced
a certain amount of indifference to their service. Hispanics aren't the only
ones as you'd have people believe.
I'm really sick of your whining.
Fact is a soldier worth anything isn't asking for special treatment, he
understands the obligations he has taken and accepts the consequences that
go with it when he takes the oath. Mostly we would just be happy with a
simple thank you. Or in the case of a soldier who is injured we would only
ask that the country we fought for take decent care of us in reparation for
our sacrifice. Something that is sadly lacking in most case's, no mater what
race you hail from.
Something I'm sure you've NEVER had the courage to do. So do those of us did
a favor and go ***** yourself...... to death. Your a disgusting example of
the race you proclaim to defend.
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11 Mar 2007 03:04:04 PM |
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"Kcajyer" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173634781.990326.233730@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 12:12 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173631248.022018.87020@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
I challenge you to show where it states that Hispanics have returned to
be
second class citizens in the report.
Here is the newspaper clipping about Hispanics
being refused medical care at the VA Hospitals,
and also mentions the "one Hispanic doctor" per
year. That IS Americans of Hispanic heritage
fighting for the USofA and returning home to
the 2nd class citizenship or worse.
Dr Hector Perez Garcia Founder of the American GI Forum
by Toni Perez, National Hispanic Reporter, Corpus Christi, Tx --
The motto of the American GI Forum was the driving force behind a
courageous man-- Hector Perez Garcia.
When "Dr. Hector" formed the American GI Forum on March 26, 1948, his
goal was to provide good health care for veterans who needed it and
were REFUSED because they were "Mexicans".
He had no idea of the impact he and his organization would have on the
state of Texas and the nation.
Dr. Garcia was born in Liera, Tamaulipas, Mexico on January 17, 1914
to a college professor and a school teacher.
In 1918, the Garcia family immigrated to Mercedes, Texas in the Rio
Grande Valley after they escaped an attack on their village during the
Mexican Revolution.
Although his parents were educated, Dr Garcia and his family were
forced to work in the fields in South Texas in order to survive. This
was perhaps the first taste of discrimination tht the Garcias had
faced in Texas.
In spite of their meager beginnings in Texas, Dr. Garcia's father
always stressed the importance of a good education in order to succeed
in life. He encouraged his children to break what seemed to be the
natural order for Mexican Americans in the Southwest at that time--
poorly educated, poorly nouished, poorly paid and poorly treated.
During a time when "mejicanos" only had a third grade education, Dr
Garcia graduated as the valedictorian of his high school class.
After he graduated with honors from the University of Texas with a
degree in zoology, Dr. Garcia decided not to pursue his first love--a
career in teaching. Rather, he chose to pursue a career in medicine
because of the independence he would gain as a physician.
His admittance into the UT Medical School in Galveston was not
difficult because of his outstanding educational performance along
with the fact that ONLY ONE MEXICAN AMERICAN could be admitted into
the school each year. Dr. Garcia was the lucky one in 1940.
Dr. Garcia volunteered for Army duty in 1942 during World War II. He
served as an infantry officer, a combat engineer officer and, when the
Army finally allowed him to practice medicine, a medical corps officer
before being discharged as a Major. Dr. Garcia was awarded a Bronze
Star with six battle stars for his service in North Africa and Italy.
When Dr. Garcia returned to Corpus Christi after the war in 1946, he
was anxious to begin in medical practice. He opened his office next
door to the United States Veterans Administration office. He accepted
an offer from the VA to take in sick veterans, for which he was to
receive $3.00 per patient.
Many of these patients had served in the Pacific and were HISPANIC.
THEY HAD TRIED TO BE TREATED BY DOCTORS IN THE
NAVAL AIR STATION HOSPITAL BUT HAD BEEN DENIED.
To deny Mexican American veterans the right to good health care and
treat them as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS after fighting overseas to protect
the democracy and freedom that Americans enjoy was totally
unacceptable to Dr. Garcia.
of course, you have found an article dating from .... 1946 ?
You not only a troll, but a pathetic human being... but let's get back to
the original post assbite... WHERE in the DOD article does it say, as you
state, that Hispanic's were treated like second class citizens ?
Also dumbass, I'm from Corpus and am familiar with the history, I'd like you
to show evidence of this article as being anything but ***** you made-up.
what paper was it in ? when did it appear ?
And does it say that Hispanics only were refused treatment ? did it mention
anyone else being denied?
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11 Mar 2007 01:12:23 PM |
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On Mar 11, 1:04 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173634781.990326.233730@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 12:12 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173631248.022018.87020@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
I challenge you to show where it states that Hispanics have returned to
be
second class citizens in the report.
Here is the newspaper clipping about Hispanics
being refused medical care at the VA Hospitals,
and also mentions the "one Hispanic doctor" per
year. That IS Americans of Hispanic heritage
fighting for the USofA and returning home to
the 2nd class citizenship or worse.
Dr Hector Perez Garcia Founder of the American GI Forum
by Toni Perez, National Hispanic Reporter, Corpus Christi, Tx --
The motto of the American GI Forum was the driving force behind a
courageous man-- Hector Perez Garcia.
When "Dr. Hector" formed the American GI Forum on March 26, 1948, his
goal was to provide good health care for veterans who needed it and
were REFUSED because they were "Mexicans".
He had no idea of the impact he and his organization would have on the
state of Texas and the nation.
Dr. Garcia was born in Liera, Tamaulipas, Mexico on January 17, 1914
to a college professor and a school teacher.
In 1918, the Garcia family immigrated to Mercedes, Texas in the Rio
Grande Valley after they escaped an attack on their village during the
Mexican Revolution.
Although his parents were educated, Dr Garcia and his family were
forced to work in the fields in South Texas in order to survive. This
was perhaps the first taste of discrimination tht the Garcias had
faced in Texas.
In spite of their meager beginnings in Texas, Dr. Garcia's father
always stressed the importance of a good education in order to succeed
in life. He encouraged his children to break what seemed to be the
natural order for Mexican Americans in the Southwest at that time--
poorly educated, poorly nouished, poorly paid and poorly treated.
During a time when "mejicanos" only had a third grade education, Dr
Garcia graduated as the valedictorian of his high school class.
After he graduated with honors from the University of Texas with a
degree in zoology, Dr. Garcia decided not to pursue his first love--a
career in teaching. Rather, he chose to pursue a career in medicine
because of the independence he would gain as a physician.
His admittance into the UT Medical School in Galveston was not
difficult because of his outstanding educational performance along
with the fact that ONLY ONE MEXICAN AMERICAN could be admitted into
the school each year. Dr. Garcia was the lucky one in 1940.
Dr. Garcia volunteered for Army duty in 1942 during World War II. He
served as an infantry officer, a combat engineer officer and, when the
Army finally allowed him to practice medicine, a medical corps officer
before being discharged as a Major. Dr. Garcia was awarded a Bronze
Star with six battle stars for his service in North Africa and Italy.
When Dr. Garcia returned to Corpus Christi after the war in 1946, he
was anxious to begin in medical practice. He opened his office next
door to the United States Veterans Administration office. He accepted
an offer from the VA to take in sick veterans, for which he was to
receive $3.00 per patient.
Many of these patients had served in the Pacific and were HISPANIC.
THEY HAD TRIED TO BE TREATED BY DOCTORS IN THE
NAVAL AIR STATION HOSPITAL BUT HAD BEEN DENIED.
To deny Mexican American veterans the right to good health care and
treat them as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS after fighting overseas to protect
the democracy and freedom that Americans enjoy was totally
unacceptable to Dr. Garcia.
of course, you have found an article dating from .... 1946 ?
You not only a troll, but a pathetic human being... but let's get back to
the original post assbite... WHERE in the DOD article does it say, as you
state, that Hispanic's were treated like second class citizens ?
Also dumbass, I'm from Corpus and am familiar with the history, I'd like you
to show evidence of this article as being anything but ***** you made-up.
what paper was it in ? when did it appear ?
And does it say that Hispanics only were refused treatment ? did it mention
anyone else being denied?
The article is proof enough, so do your
own "google" seach, because I'm sure
not doing any work for you.
The abuse continued until at least the
civil rights era 1968. It's too bad
that decent and fair treatment has to
be forced by law onto bigots like you.
The right and decent thing is coming along,
slow as it is but it is coming.
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11 Mar 2007 03:15:46 PM |
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"Kcajyer" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Mar 11, 1:04 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173634781.990326.233730@n33g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 12:12 pm, "Jim" <del...@itlnet.net> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1173631248.022018.87020@v33g2000cwv.googlegroups.com...
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
I challenge you to show where it states that Hispanics have returned
to
be
second class citizens in the report.
Here is the newspaper clipping about Hispanics
being refused medical care at the VA Hospitals,
and also mentions the "one Hispanic doctor" per
year. That IS Americans of Hispanic heritage
fighting for the USofA and returning home to
the 2nd class citizenship or worse.
Dr Hector Perez Garcia Founder of the American GI Forum
by Toni Perez, National Hispanic Reporter, Corpus Christi, Tx --
The motto of the American GI Forum was the driving force behind a
courageous man-- Hector Perez Garcia.
When "Dr. Hector" formed the American GI Forum on March 26, 1948, his
goal was to provide good health care for veterans who needed it and
were REFUSED because they were "Mexicans".
He had no idea of the impact he and his organization would have on the
state of Texas and the nation.
Dr. Garcia was born in Liera, Tamaulipas, Mexico on January 17, 1914
to a college professor and a school teacher.
In 1918, the Garcia family immigrated to Mercedes, Texas in the Rio
Grande Valley after they escaped an attack on their village during the
Mexican Revolution.
Although his parents were educated, Dr Garcia and his family were
forced to work in the fields in South Texas in order to survive. This
was perhaps the first taste of discrimination tht the Garcias had
faced in Texas.
In spite of their meager beginnings in Texas, Dr. Garcia's father
always stressed the importance of a good education in order to succeed
in life. He encouraged his children to break what seemed to be the
natural order for Mexican Americans in the Southwest at that time--
poorly educated, poorly nouished, poorly paid and poorly treated.
During a time when "mejicanos" only had a third grade education, Dr
Garcia graduated as the valedictorian of his high school class.
After he graduated with honors from the University of Texas with a
degree in zoology, Dr. Garcia decided not to pursue his first love--a
career in teaching. Rather, he chose to pursue a career in medicine
because of the independence he would gain as a physician.
His admittance into the UT Medical School in Galveston was not
difficult because of his outstanding educational performance along
with the fact that ONLY ONE MEXICAN AMERICAN could be admitted into
the school each year. Dr. Garcia was the lucky one in 1940.
Dr. Garcia volunteered for Army duty in 1942 during World War II. He
served as an infantry officer, a combat engineer officer and, when the
Army finally allowed him to practice medicine, a medical corps officer
before being discharged as a Major. Dr. Garcia was awarded a Bronze
Star with six battle stars for his service in North Africa and Italy.
When Dr. Garcia returned to Corpus Christi after the war in 1946, he
was anxious to begin in medical practice. He opened his office next
door to the United States Veterans Administration office. He accepted
an offer from the VA to take in sick veterans, for which he was to
receive $3.00 per patient.
Many of these patients had served in the Pacific and were HISPANIC.
THEY HAD TRIED TO BE TREATED BY DOCTORS IN THE
NAVAL AIR STATION HOSPITAL BUT HAD BEEN DENIED.
To deny Mexican American veterans the right to good health care and
treat them as SECOND CLASS CITIZENS after fighting overseas to protect
the democracy and freedom that Americans enjoy was totally
unacceptable to Dr. Garcia.
of course, you have found an article dating from .... 1946 ?
You not only a troll, but a pathetic human being... but let's get back to
the original post assbite... WHERE in the DOD article does it say, as you
state, that Hispanic's were treated like second class citizens ?
Also dumbass, I'm from Corpus and am familiar with the history, I'd like
you
to show evidence of this article as being anything but ***** you made-up.
what paper was it in ? when did it appear ?
And does it say that Hispanics only were refused treatment ? did it
mention
anyone else being denied?
The article is proof enough, so do your
own "google" seach, because I'm sure
not doing any work for you.
The abuse continued until at least the
civil rights era 1968. It's too bad
that decent and fair treatment has to
be forced by law onto bigots like you.
The right and decent thing is coming along,
slow as it is but it is coming.
*****, show proof or shut up.
You have no base other than this un-certified babble.
And in any event, your talking about something that ended decades ago, as
usual you have nothing close to a recent or relevant argument to fit today's
situation.
your a joke.
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12 Mar 2007 03:07:55 PM |
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On Mar 12, 11:20 am, (charles bash) wrote:
Jim be careful of the Ramon Herrera troll. He has a certain amount of
Smarts even though he, like most present day Spics
You just insulted about everyone
in the western hemisphere! Aren't
you smart.
== Hates Us!!
Maybe *you Charles Bash, so don't
include every Gringo in your corner
of those to "hate". Besides "hate"
is not the right word, I would say
I am bewildered at the way you
behave.
He has no time for Real Americans,, he certainly does Not share enny of
the concerns over illegal immigration, that most citizens here have. He
has no Respect at all for our Universal World Language.
You mean the dumbed down monolinguals
that many of us are in the USofA?
He makes it
clearer with ever' passing day, whining thru his sock puppets. Our
Justified anger is smoking him out more & more.
I don't have any "anger", but I do
want everyone to know the history of
Hispanics in the USofA.
Jim is incredulous that Ramon was able to find a newspaper article dated
from 1946.;;>
It was dated when Dr Perez passed
away, 1996, not 1946
,,, of course you found an article dating from
1946 ?
No sweat Jim. I did a Google search one time on the Japanese Internments
of 1942 and found several newspaper articles on the Internment from
that era..
I do too, but for another thread. :)
C. Bash.
<<< Can An Ethiopian Change His Skin Or The Leopard Change His Spots?
Charles Bash can't change his spots either.
<<< ==o== ,old testament,, book of ecclesiastes ,,
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12 Mar 2007 03:49:04 PM |
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On Mar 12, 11:20 am, (charles bash) wrote:
Jim be careful of the Ramon Herrera troll. He has a certain amount of
Smarts even though he, like most present day Spics
You just insulted about everyone
in the western hemisphere! Aren't
you smart.
== Hates Us!!
Maybe *you Charles Bash, so don't
include every Gringo in your corner
of those to "hate". Besides "hate"
is not the right word, I would say
I am bewildered at the way you
behave.
He has no time for Real Americans,, he certainly does Not share enny of
the concerns over illegal immigration, that most citizens here have. He
has no Respect at all for our Universal World Language.
You mean the dumbed down monolinguals
that many of us are in the USofA?
He makes it
clearer with ever' passing day, whining thru his sock puppets. Our
Justified anger is smoking him out more & more.
I don't have any "anger", but I do
want everyone to know the history of
Hispanics in the USofA.
Jim is incredulous that Ramon was able to find a newspaper article dated
from 1946.;;>
It was dated when Dr Perez passed
away, 1996, not 1946
,,, of course you found an article dating from
1946 ?
No sweat Jim. I did a Google search one time on the Japanese Internments
of 1942 and found several newspaper articles on the Internment from
that era..
I do too, but for another thread. :)
C. Bash.
<<< Can An Ethiopian Change His Skin Or The Leopard Change His Spots?
Charles Bash can't change his spots either.
<<< ==o== ,old testament,, book of ecclesiastes ,,
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12 Mar 2007 04:48:48 PM |
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On Mar 12, 11:20 am, (charles bash) wrote:
Jim be careful of the Ramon Herrera troll. He has a certain amount of
Smarts even though he, like most present day Spics
You just insulted about everyone
in the western hemisphere! Aren't
you smart.
== Hates Us!!
Maybe *you Charles Bash, so don't
include every Gringo in your corner
of those to "hate". Besides "hate"
is not the right word, I would say
I am bewildered at the way you
behave.
He has no time for Real Americans,, he certainly does Not share enny of
the concerns over illegal immigration, that most citizens here have. He
has no Respect at all for our Universal World Language.
You mean the dumbed down monolinguals
that many of us are in the USofA?
He makes it
clearer with ever' passing day, whining thru his sock puppets. Our
Justified anger is smoking him out more & more.
I don't have any "anger", but I do
want everyone to know the history of
Hispanics in the USofA.
Jim is incredulous that Ramon was able to find a newspaper article dated
from 1946.;;>
It was dated when Dr Perez passed
away, 1996, not 1946
,,, of course you found an article dating from
1946 ?
No sweat Jim. I did a Google search one time on the Japanese Internments
of 1942 and found several newspaper articles on the Internment from
that era..
I do too, but for another thread. :)
C. Bash.
<<< Can An Ethiopian Change His Skin Or The Leopard Change His Spots?
Charles Bash can't change his spots either.
<<< ==o== ,old testament,, book of ecclesiastes ,,
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13 Mar 2007 06:56:49 AM |
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Kcajyer wrote:
On Mar 11, 7:16 am, T Jr Hardman
<blockspam_thard...@thomashardman.com> wrote:
Kcajyer wrote:
On Mar 10, 11:01 am, Steely from Yokohama <was-hoy-
p...@postamerica.net> wrote:
On 10 Mar 2007 08:11:02 -0800, "Kcajyer" <Kcajy...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Mar 10, 6:12 am, (charles bash) wrote:
I would wager that a helluva lot of the Mexicans who signed up to
"fight for this country" were motivated by the Signing Bonus! which was
formerly
This thread is about United States of American
citizens who did not immigrate legally or
illegally, they were here in the "USofA"
*BEFORE we became a country.
Americans of Hispanic heritage have been
"motivated" because of their love of this
country (USofA), this goes back to the
American Revolution when Hispanics helped
gain our independence from the British east
coast.
We've proved this kind of stuff wrong
You and your ilk have Not proved
what is posted is incorrect.
You know you're insane, right?
My information is from the U.S. Department
of Defense (DoD)and Army Military History.
Hispanic Contributions to the American
Revolution and other reliable sources.
http://www.army.mil/cmh-pg/reference/revbib/spanp.htm
Why does T Jr Hardman ALWAYS try and
contradict or diminish the contributions
of Hispanics to the USofA? Never fails,
any post that has to do with Hispanics,
you always have something negative to say.
What are you afraid of T.Jr.Hardman?
Not you or your insanity, that's for certain. It's not fear. I hate
REVISIONISM, and I detest insane people who think that their
revisionisms are the truth, when in fact they are confabulated illogic.
You say that "hispanics" helped gain independence. The problem is that
you do so in a way which UNTRUTHFULLY implies that the contributions of
Spain were in any way significant to the Revolutionary War, and further
implies UNTRUTHFULLY that those minimal contributions were actually
ESSENTIAL.
When challenged on this, not to mention being challenged about your
sanity, you respond by providing a link to a Bibliography. This
bibliography supports the notion that Spain's colonial authorities in
North America continued their endless hostilities against the British,
but in opposition to your contention, most of the works which you cite
by mere reference are works covering the activities of the Spanish in
Louisiana and along the Mississippi, none of which in any way impinged
on British military efforts in the Thirteen Colonies.
From http://www.americanrevolution.org/hispanic.html
<quote in-part>
[ ... ]
[...] Patriot Commissioners, who were to meet with heads of state in
Europe, were sent by the First and Second Continental Congresses to
offer them the return of lands lost in the French and Indian War and to
grant favored trade nation status to any country or duchy that would
provide war materiel and/or other aid to the Patriots.
Spain responded to this offer; in four ways, but not openly:
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
money loaned, money given; a clandestine world trading company to
provide war materiel and to bring European military leaders to America;
opening literally a second front; and sending Spanish observers to America.
[ ... ]
The first recorded moneys were two million livres in hard currency and
war materiel. Thus, the United States currency, the Continental, was
secured by Spanish silver dollars. Two additional sums were noted: the
first, $74,087.00, was loaned to Patriots Oliver Pollock and Thomas
Willing and, second, $174,011.00 to John Jay, United States Emissary to
Spain. Another source was King Carlos III's August 17, 1780 Royal Order
asking Spanish and Indian males in the Americas to donate two dollars
and one dollar respectively in equivalent goods, the records of which
were sent to Mexico City for distribution -- a mystery of history not
quite solved, although rumors abound. Fr. Serra, Father President of
Alta California, called this a "war tax." Alta California sent $4,216.00.
</quote>
So, yes, I suppose you could claim that Mexicans helped in the
Revolutionary War, they "passed the hat" and contributed less than five
thousand dollars.
Now shut the ***** up, you boneheaded wackjob.
--
http://thomashardman.com/ Centrist, Moderate, Republican in Maryland
A true Conservative isn't about to let
the enemies of America ruin his streams for Trout.
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| User: "Fact Attack" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 09:55:53 AM |
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nobody cares if you're mexican, get overself. Illegal immigrants
shouldn't be here, no matter where they came from. Too many from
mexico, they are a shame and disgrace to the Mexican Race. Although
there is no such thing as the Mexican Race. You're all a mix of
Spaniards, various Indian tribes, pigs and lizards.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 10:51:23 AM |
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"Fact Attack" <ilp3003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168790153.025781.186870@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
nobody cares if you're mexican, get overself. Illegal immigrants
shouldn't be here, no matter where they came from. Too many from
mexico, they are a shame and disgrace to the Mexican Race. Although
there is no such thing as the Mexican Race. You're all a mix of
Spaniards, various Indian tribes, pigs and lizards.
That is an insult to pigs and lizards!
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| User: "Graphic Queen" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
14 Jan 2007 11:32:14 AM |
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On Sun, 14 Jan 2007 16:51:23 GMT, "Patriot Games"
<Crazy_Bastard@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Fact Attack" <ilp3003@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168790153.025781.186870@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
nobody cares if you're mexican, get overself. Illegal immigrants
shouldn't be here, no matter where they came from. Too many from
mexico, they are a shame and disgrace to the Mexican Race. Although
there is no such thing as the Mexican Race. You're all a mix of
Spaniards, various Indian tribes, pigs and lizards.
That is an insult to pigs and lizards!
It is also an insult to the real American Indians out there.
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| User: "Patriot Games" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
13 Jan 2007 12:50:02 PM |
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"Kcajyer" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168656149.208968.181380@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"El Senator" also stated that "Hispanics" are American BEFORE
Plymouth Rock.
He must be an *****...
We beat 'em like a 3-legged mule and took our country.
Land mine the border!!
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| User: "MURS radios" |
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| Title: Mexican Cession and Gadsden Purchase (was: We are "Americans") |
11 Mar 2007 12:23:30 PM |
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On Jan 13, 11:50 am, "Patriot Games" <Crazy_Bast...@Yahoo.com> wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168656149.208968.181380@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"El Senator" also stated that "Hispanics" are American BEFORE
Plymouth Rock.
He must be an *****...
We beat 'em like a 3-legged mule and took our country.
You got that right:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Cession
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_purchase
- Stewart (San Diego Minutemen)
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
13 Jan 2007 02:51:09 PM |
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Patriot Games wrote:
"Kcajyer" <kcajyer_x@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1168656149.208968.181380@38g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
"El Senator" also stated that "Hispanics" are American BEFORE
Plymouth Rock.
He must be an *****...
Only to those who hate Americans.
We beat 'em like a 3-legged mule and took our country.
"El Senator" is a descendant of those who fought for Independence
for the USofA. He is a true USofA Patriot. Your responce
only shows your hatred of Hispanics.
Land mine the border!!
Like the man said, "We are Americans when we go to war and when we
return, we are "Mexicans."
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| User: "Bill OReally" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
11 Mar 2007 01:16:40 PM |
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On Jan 13, 1:51 pm, "Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Like the man said, "We are Americans when we go to war and when we
return, we are "Mexicans."
Then go and live in Mexico.
Bill O'Really
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| User: "Kcajyer" |
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| Title: Re: "We are "Americans" when we go to war, and when we return, we are "Mexicans" |
11 Mar 2007 02:10:20 PM |
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On Mar 11, 11:16 am, "Bill O'Really" <billorea...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Jan 13, 1:51 pm, "Kcajyer" <kcajye...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Like the man said, "We are Americans when we go to war and when we
return, we are "Mexicans."
Then go and live in Mexico.
"Than entire post went right over your
pointy little head, didn't it?
Chavez' comment was directed at those
who felt it was fine for Hispanics to
fight and die for the US, but, when they
return from the conflict, they again
assume their role as second class citizens -
hence, "Mexicans"."
They are USofAmericans, not only are they
USofA, they have fought and died for this
country (USofA), so why should they go
elsewhere when they belong here?
Bill O'Really
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