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11 Jul 2004 10:11:06 AM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
In the time of Marcus Aurelius, Christianity was a growing force within the
Roman Empire. His ministers asked him if the state should join the
non-Christian majority in attacking the new religion, or seek to protect it.
The Emperor's reply is found in his Meditations. The state's response to
Christianity, he said, or to anything else, should be determined by one
simple question: "What is the thing in itself? What does it do?"
Today, the [British]Government faces a similar dilemma regarding Islam. In
response, the Home Secretary announced plans last week to make vilification
of Islam a crime. He insisted that his law to "ban incitement to religious
hatred" was meant to defend every faith. However, only Muslims have asked
for immunity. The legislation would "close a loophole", David Blunkett
observed, because inciting hatred of people on racial grounds is illegal in
the UK, but inciting hatred of them on the grounds of belief is not.
The problem is that a virulent hatred of Muslims can no more be racism than
a virulent hatred of Marxists or Tories. Nobody is a member of a race by
choice. Such groups are protected from attack because it is unfair to malign
human beings for something they cannot help. However, nobody is a member of
a community of belief except by choice, which is why those who have decided
to enter or remain within one are never protected. Were such choices not
open to the severest censure, we could no longer call our country a
democracy.
It is a red herring for supporters of Mr Blunkett's law to say that Muslims
should be shielded by the race laws because Jews and Sikhs are. It is the
racial persons of Jews and Sikhs that are protected, not their beliefs. In
any case, Sikhism and Judaism are race cults which actively discourage
converts. It is almost impossible to become a member of either religion
unless you are racially Jewish or Punjabi. They are diametrically opposed to
inclusive ideologies like Christianity or Islam, which seek to convert
everybody.
Some propose special protection for Muslims by saying that Islam is a racial
identity because three of the four schools of Islamic law enjoin faithful
Muslims to murder anyone who wishes to leave the faith, thus limiting every
Muslim's freedom of action. But is this a point in Islam's favour? And is
this the sort of religion we want to throw people into prison for
condemning?
To argue that Islam should have special protection because it is a
"religion" while Marxism or Conservatism are "merely philosophies" is
equally specious. All that divides a religion from a secular ideology is
something whose existence - supernatural support - is disputed by adherents
of the latter. To privilege supernatural belief-systems by law would be to
impose the view of the faithful about this on everyone, the situation that
prevailed in the Middle Ages. This time, it is Islam, not Christianity, that
New Labour wants to impose on Christendom.
A society in which one cannot revile a religion and its members is one in
which there are limits to the human spirit. The Islamic world was
intellectually and economically wrecked by its decision to put religion
beyond the reach of invective, which is simply an extreme form of debate. By
so doing, it put science and art beyond the reach of experiment, too. Now,
at the behest of Muslim foreigners who have forced themselves on us, New
Labour wants to import the same catastrophe into our own society.
In a recent television panel, Iqbal Sacranie explained why the Muslim
Council of Britain (MCB), the organisation he leads, had pushed for this
legislation. The British should be allowed not to believe in Islam, he said
(thanks, Mr Sacranie!), but they should not be permitted to "criticise" it.
Ken Livingstone has gone even further. On Wednesday, the Mayor of London
welcomed to City Hall the Qatari divine Dr Yusuf al-Qaradawi, according to
the MCB "an Islamic scholar held in great respect throughout the Islamic
world".
Basing his teaching on Islam's holiest texts, Dr al-Qaradawi has urged his
fellow Muslims to beat their wives; to use child suicide bombers to kill
female and infant civilians; to murder Jews, homosexuals and British
servicemen; and to colonise, desecrate and usurp Christian Rome.
Mr Livingstone said that the newspapers that had condemned Dr al-Qaradawi
for such views "showed why this legislation [Blunkett's] is necessary". It
was the critics of Dr al-Qaradawi's beliefs, Mr Livingstone insisted, who
were, as the Muslim Association of Britain put it, "the image of evil". Dr
al-Qaradawi, a mainstream figure in a major religion, had endorsed Jew
lynching and wife beating: Mr Livingstone seemed to imply that, like Islam,
such activities should therefore be above criticism.
This brings us to the nub of the issue: the fact that Islam's teachings are
completely unlike those of other faiths. The Government shows no sign of
understanding this. Defending his proposed legislation, Mr Blunkett, for
instance, said: "It applies equally to far-Right evangelical Christians as
to extremists in the Islamic faith." But what "far-Right evangelical
Christian" has ever proposed or endorsed anything as horrifying as what the
moderate Muslim regards as normal?
In Roman Polanski's film Chinatown, the villain, John Huston's "Noah Cross",
murderous tycoon, asks the private detective character, played by Jack
Nicholson: "Exactly what do you know about me, Mr Gittes?" "Mainly that
you're too respectable to want your name in the papers," Gittes replies.
"Course I'm respectable!" Cross exclaims. "I'm old! Politicians, ugly
buildings and whores all get respectable if they last long enough!" The same
is true of religions.
Our rulers know as much about Islam as Gittes knows about Cross: that it has
been "around long enough" (since the seventh century); that it "doesn't want
its name in the papers" (except on its own terms); and that it is sanctified
by the principle, central to multiculturalism, that any civilisation,
however repulsive, has the same value as any other, however benign, and is
entitled to protection and praise simply by virtue of existing.
Unfortunately, to paraphrase Noah Cross in his warning to Jake Gittes: "You
may think you know what you're dealing with, Mr Blunkett - but, believe me,
you don't!"
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11 Jul 2004 11:19:39 AM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
Islam is like Christianity, in that it is self-criticising. Kinda like the
National Enquirer or George Bush.
-Tock
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11 Jul 2004 07:40:35 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
We should be allowed to criticize anything. It seems to me
protecting Islamers is another one of those politically correct
nightmares intent to herd the people.
This crap is in the same vein as the christians shrieking "Hate!,
Persecution!" when anyone says prove it.
I think it's a big mistake to legislate opinion.
Warlord Steve
BAAWA
www.sonic.net/~wooly
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11 Jul 2004 11:54:19 AM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
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11 Jul 2004 08:35:33 PM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
So you cant hate noise, jellied eels, graffitti?
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12 Jul 2004 05:29:05 AM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
So you cant hate noise, jellied eels, graffitti?
They should all be banned by anti annoyance laws
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11 Jul 2004 08:42:22 PM |
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"kathryn" <kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
BTW criticism doesn't necessarily mean hate.
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12 Jul 2004 02:50:59 AM |
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(snipped)
BTW criticism doesn't necessarily mean hate.
' Necessarily' doesn't have to come into it. Just the pointing of the
finger of a person who hates you is enough to get you indicted for hate.
This is what the Frankfurt School of thought is all about. It has
succeeded. British law is using the method.
It is precisely this subversion of language that has given the go ahead for
Plan B of Communism. Internal subversion. Gramsci, Adorno, Marcuse. They
said what they were going to do.
America and Europe are paralysed by language subversion to the point where
the christian religion is almost being outlawed by legal manipulation. And
they can't even see the Muslims are laughing up their nighties.
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12 Jul 2004 07:31:29 PM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
I hate nobody for who they are. I hate them for what they do!
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11 Jul 2004 08:36:19 PM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Which would only make things worse. You can't legislate opinion. Such a law
would only make the haters hate even more.
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12 Jul 2004 03:24:12 AM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
And now a view from the left ...
There are already laws against incitement to criminal activity.
Likewise, there are laws against bullying in the workplace,
discrimination and so forth.
There are laws of course against criminal damage, vandalism and
trespass. It is within the competence of a court to note aggravating
factors. A person who vandalises a fence does not commit as great an
offence as someone who scrawls a racist slogan on it, particularly in
an area where the group targeted is a substantial minority, or
proximate to where someone of that ethnicity is living.
But I don't think that there should be specific "hate laws". This is
much too broad, and I favour free speech, even in circumstances where
what the person is saying does grave offence to reason, the world as
best I understand it, and amity within the community.
In my opinion, before we begin legislating one must first show
tangible harm to a legitimate interst in prospect (and not merely in
theory).
Someone who runs about the streets waving a swastika and yelling
"gooks out" (or whatever) is without doubt either seriously unhinged
and/or extremely unpleasant. But until half a dozen others join
him/her and begin doing some damage, or somebody starts putting
reasonable people in actual fear for their safety, I say the state
should leave them alone. That doesn't of course (for exactly the same
reason) preclude any person from energetically exercising their right
to object to the nutbag's view in person. What other people are likely
think of your opinion is always one factor to consider when opening
your mouth.
The right to express an opinion, however heretical it might be, is one
of the key rights in any free society, and should be limited only in
the most extraordinary and compelling of circumstances, and only after
all other alternatives have been exhausted.
The Nerk
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11 Jul 2004 06:45:56 PM |
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It is not about hate kathryn...it is about lies, lack of integrity, and
spiritual impersonation.
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
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Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
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12 Jul 2004 05:27:34 AM |
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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It is not about hate kathryn...it is about lies, lack of integrity, and
spiritual impersonation.
I should of explained it better, I was actually being sarcastic.
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11 Jul 2004 04:18:27 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> thought hard and said:
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
What defines hate?
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11 Jul 2004 06:48:52 PM |
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Hate: to feel animosity towards...to detest. That is so good. I detest
people who have no integrity and I have a right to do so. This is a
positive, non brainwashed direction.
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
What defines hate?
--
-Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
Tveitt are my Gods.
Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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11 Jul 2004 11:46:16 PM |
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You detest yourself?
"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
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| Hate: to feel animosity towards...to detest. That is so good. I detest
| people who have no integrity and I have a right to do so. This is a
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| > On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
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| > >"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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| > >> We must be allowed to criticise Islam
| > >> By Will Cummins
| > >> (Filed: 11/07/2004)
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| > >Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
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| > What defines hate?
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| > -Daniel "Mr. Brevity" Kolle; 16 A.A. #2035
| > Koji Kondo, Yo-Yo Ma, Gustav Mahler, Krzysztof Penderecki, and Geirr
| Tveitt are my Gods.
| > Head of EAC Denial Department and Madly Insane Scientist.
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11 Jul 2004 03:10:19 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
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Well there's an anti inciting racial hatred law, they want to introduce an
anti incitement to religious hatred law. Won't be long before there's an
anti incitement to sexual orientation hatred law.
Makes more sense just to cover it all on one go with an anti incitment to
hatred law.
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
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Well there's an anti inciting racial hatred law, they want to introduce an
anti incitement to religious hatred law. Won't be long before there's an
anti incitement to sexual orientation hatred law.
Makes more sense just to cover it all on one go with an anti incitment to
hatred law.
is there a queer church some place?
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
eXACTLY! very few men love their mothers-in-law!
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I can't believe this Paul....that is right...we have lost the right to our
own preference of love or hate. That was deep...but good.
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
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Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
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| User: "Conquistador" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
12 Jul 2004 06:08:39 PM |
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"Mary Hogan" <hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote in message
news:40f1d184$1_7@corp.newsgroups.com...
I can't believe this Paul....that is right...we have lost the right to our
own preference of love or hate. That was deep...but good.
ayou must have had a deep ***** again!
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| User: "W. Syme" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 07:59:25 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 19:47:27 -0400, "Mary Hogan"
<hoogy@zoominternet.net> wrote:
"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme.superstitions@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:3f24e9a6aebef25b4f515879bed4b936@news.1usenet.com...
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 16:54:19 +0000 (UTC), "kathryn"
<kathrynahunterlosethis@btinternet.com> wrote:
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eMcIc.89795$sj4.33384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law....
Why? Why is it wrong to hate somebody? Seems to me that's a pretty
basic freedom.
I can't believe this Paul....that is right...we have lost the right to our
own preference of love or hate. That was deep...but good.
Well I'm not Paul, but had I been, I would have been flattered.
--
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. (1 Thessalonians 5:21)
W. Syme (pseudonym), European, non-native English speaker, "soft" atheist.
Email will not be read.
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| User: "taxiqnotincome" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 03:05:21 PM |
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kathryn wrote:
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eMcIc.89795$sj4.33384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Personally I think we should just have an anti hate law...
FWIW, in medieval Spain it was a crime to call a Jew a "pig". (See:
Netanyahu, Origins of the Inquisition) These protective laws didn't
stop the coming of the inquisition, and, in my opinion, could well have
made its coming more certain.
taxiqnotincome
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| User: "Stan Pierce" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 07:19:57 PM |
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"taxiqnotincome" <taxiqnotincome@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:40F19D81.1571C409@yahoo.com...
(snipped)
FWIW, in medieval Spain it was a crime to call a Jew a "pig". (See:
Netanyahu, Origins of the Inquisition) These protective laws didn't
stop the coming of the inquisition, and, in my opinion, could well have
made its coming more certain.
taxiqnotincome
Yes. 'Protective laws' only create more attention and stimulate the
hatreds.
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| User: "Stan Pierce" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 06:59:59 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eMcIc.89795$sj4.33384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
(snipped)
That is one of the most intelligent pieces of writing I have seen on the
subject. The tragedy is...the british have deteriorated so much
intellectually they won't heed the advice.
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| User: "Paul Abeles" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 08:38:39 PM |
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"Stan Pierce" <tpierce@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:3wkIc.90288$sj4.21459@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:eMcIc.89795$sj4.33384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
(snipped)
That is one of the most intelligent pieces of writing I have seen on the
subject. The tragedy is...the british have deteriorated so much
intellectually they won't heed the advice.
Well I wont be so immodest to accuse it of being intelligent just because I
like it. However I agree with every word he said.
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| User: "Carole" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
24 Jul 2004 06:32:58 PM |
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"Paul Abeles" <abeles@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<eMcIc.89795$sj4.33384@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
We must be allowed to criticise Islam
By Will Cummins
(Filed: 11/07/2004)
Before going too far with this argument of being able to criticise
Islam or Israel, the Illuminati (or WWEE - worldwide evil empire)
agenda for WWIII is setting Islam against Israel.
THE ILLUMINATI AND THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS
(By Myron Fagan)
http://www.anycities.com/jahtruth//illumin.htm
Their plans for WWI and WWII were also part of that plan concocted in
late 1800s.
"In 1834; the Italian revolutionary leader, Guiseppe Mazzini, was
selected by the Illuminati to direct their revolutionary program
throughout the world. He served in that capacity until he died in
1872, but some years before he died; Mazzini had enticed an American
General named Albert Pike into the Illuminati. Pike was fascinated by
the idea of a one-world government and ultimately he became the head
of this luciferian conspiracy.
Between 1859 and 1871 he, Pike, worked out a military-blueprint for
three world wars and various revolutions throughout the world which he
considered would forward the conspiracy to its final stage in the 20th
century. Again I remind you that these conspirators were never
concerned with immediate success.
"...The first world war was to be fought so as to enable the
Illuminati to destroy Czarism in Russia, as vowed by Rothschild after
the Czar had torpedoed his scheme at the Congress in Vienna, and to
transform Russia into a stronghold of atheistic-communism. The
differences stirred up by agents of the Illuminati between the British
and German Empires were to be used to foment this war. After the war
would be ended; communism was to be built up and used to destroy other
governments and weaken religions.
"World War II, when and if necessary, was to be fomented by using the
controversies between Fascists and political zionists, and here let it
be noted that Hitler was financed by Krupp, the Warburgs, the
Rothschilds, and other internationalist bankers and that the slaughter
of the supposed 6,000,000 Jews by Hitler didn't bother the Jewish
internationalist bankers at all. That slaughter was necessary in order
to create worldwide-hatred of the German people and thus bring about
war against them. In short; this second world war was to be fought to
destroy nazism and increase the power of political Zionism so that the
state of Israel could be established in Palestine.
"During this World War II; international communism was to be built up
until it equalled in strength that of united Christendom. When it
reached that point; it was to be contained and kept in check until
required for the final social-cataclysm. As we know now; Roosevelt,
Churchill, and Stalin put that exact policy into effect and Truman,
Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, and George Bush continued that same
exact policy.
"World War III is to be fomented, using the so-called controversies;
by the agents of the Illuminati operating under whatever new name;
that are now being stored up between the political Zionists and the
leaders of the Moslem world. That war is to be directed in such a
manner that all of Islam and political Zionism (Israelis) will destroy
each other while at the same time; the remaining nations, once more
divided on this issue, will be forced to fight themselves into a state
of complete exhaustion; physically, mentally, spiritually, and
economically.
Carole
http://www.austarmetro.com.au/~hubbca/illuminati2.htm
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| User: "Conquistador" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 11:20:34 AM |
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Did anybody suggest otherwise? of course not. But before you criticize
something you have to know something about it. Visit mosque few times, sit
and listen, meet a muslim neighbor. Approach a muslim with questions about
Islam. Do not get the opinions from Imams. There is no priesthood in
Islam, and therefore each muslim has his own concept of his faith. Those
students of the Quran are not priests, they can only advice, not brainwash.
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| User: "Fay" |
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| Title: Re: We must be allowed to criticise Islam |
11 Jul 2004 11:32:28 AM |
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"Conquistador" <pinkspider123@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:mNdIc.1722$sV2.915@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
Did anybody suggest otherwise? of course not. But before you criticize
something you have to know something about it. Visit mosque few times,
sit and listen, meet a muslim neighbor. Approach a muslim with
questions about Islam. Do not get the opinions from Imams. There is
no priesthood in Islam, and therefore each muslim has his own concept
of his faith. Those students of the Quran are not priests, they can
only advice, not brainwash.
I tried to visit a mosque and they would allow me in. I was turned away.
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