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20 Feb 2007 11:07:55 AM |
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We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
Fearless Leader
by Jonathan Chait
The normal rule in American politics is that if you run for president
and your experience comes at the state level, most people will assume
that foreign policy is your weak point. You can overcome that
political vulnerability--as George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and other
governors did while getting elected. One would presume that this
applies even more to presidential candidates whose highest office
reached is mayor. And yet we have the strange case of Rudolph
Giuliani.
Giuliani's presidential campaign is starting to win a cult following
among conservatives. It's not his position on domestic policy that's
doing it--he has nothing to say about that. Lord knows it's not his
social issue positions, which even his strongest backers acknowledge
are his political weak point. No, he has somehow built a record as a
foreign policy guru despite having no experience beyond the municipal
level.
What are Giuliani's credentials? Everybody knows the basics. On
September 11, 2001, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and gave reassuring
speeches. He has a tough guy persona. He expresses extremely strong
disapproval for enemies of the United States. (For instance, Giuliani
has bragged about asking President Bush to let him personally execute
Osama bin Laden.)
All this makes Republicans swoon. Sometimes literally. Conservative
pundit Danielle Crittenden recently penned a Valentine's Day poem to
Giuliani. One section summarized his foreign policy skills thusly:
A man who's locked out Arafat
And thrown vagrants into prison
Won't cringe before a Democrat
Or allow Iran nuclear fission.
I'm no poetry critic, but I do know that a tough policy against the
homeless is not a good proxy for the conduct of foreign policy.
If having a macho swagger and talking tough about bad guys were enough
to make a good commander in chief, we wouldn't have the worst foreign
policy disaster in U.S. history on our hands right now in Iraq. And,
need I remind anybody, one of the reasons Giuliani hasn't been able to
fulfill his Bin Laden execution fantasy is that Bush allowed the Al
Qaeda leader to escape at Tora Bora by using Afghan proxies instead of
U.S. ground troops. ....
(from: http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070219&s=chait021907)
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| User: "PagCal" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
21 Feb 2007 06:01:41 AM |
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wrote:
Fearless Leader
by Jonathan Chait
The normal rule in American politics is that if you run for president
and your experience comes at the state level, most people will assume
that foreign policy is your weak point. You can overcome that
political vulnerability--as George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and other
governors did while getting elected. One would presume that this
applies even more to presidential candidates whose highest office
reached is mayor. And yet we have the strange case of Rudolph
Giuliani.
This is all campaign spew... Ignore it.
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| User: "Igor" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
20 Feb 2007 01:15:36 PM |
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On Feb 20, 12:07 pm, wrote:
Fearless Leader
by Jonathan Chait
The normal rule in American politics is that if you run for president
and your experience comes at the state level, most people will assume
that foreign policy is your weak point. You can overcome that
political vulnerability--as George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, and other
governors did while getting elected. One would presume that this
applies even more to presidential candidates whose highest office
reached is mayor. And yet we have the strange case of Rudolph
Giuliani.
Giuliani's presidential campaign is starting to win a cult following
among conservatives. It's not his position on domestic policy that's
doing it--he has nothing to say about that. Lord knows it's not his
social issue positions, which even his strongest backers acknowledge
are his political weak point. No, he has somehow built a record as a
foreign policy guru despite having no experience beyond the municipal
level.
What are Giuliani's credentials? Everybody knows the basics. On
September 11, 2001, he rolled up his shirt sleeves and gave reassuring
speeches. He has a tough guy persona. He expresses extremely strong
disapproval for enemies of the United States. (For instance, Giuliani
has bragged about asking President Bush to let him personally execute
Osama bin Laden.)
All this makes Republicans swoon. Sometimes literally. Conservative
pundit Danielle Crittenden recently penned a Valentine's Day poem to
Giuliani. One section summarized his foreign policy skills thusly:
A man who's locked out Arafat
And thrown vagrants into prison
Won't cringe before a Democrat
Or allow Iran nuclear fission.
I'm no poetry critic, but I do know that a tough policy against the
homeless is not a good proxy for the conduct of foreign policy.
If having a macho swagger and talking tough about bad guys were enough
to make a good commander in chief, we wouldn't have the worst foreign
policy disaster in U.S. history on our hands right now in Iraq. And,
need I remind anybody, one of the reasons Giuliani hasn't been able to
fulfill his Bin Laden execution fantasy is that Bush allowed the Al
Qaeda leader to escape at Tora Bora by using Afghan proxies instead of
U.S. ground troops. ....
(from:http://www.tnr.com/doc.mhtml?i=w070219&s=chait021907)
He's got to get the nomination first. And at this point, he'd have a
much better chance getting nominated as a Democrat than as a
Republican. Unless, of course, he lies through his teeth about where
he actually stands on the issues. Besides, he has way too many
skeletons fo get nominated for either party.
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| User: "granitegriz" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
20 Feb 2007 01:35:40 PM |
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One shouldn't waste their time on thinking about Rudy's chances as they are
next to none when you consider his stance on life, restrictions on firearms
etc, etc. Really he will have thirty million against him from the NRA crowd.
Another twenty million from the right to life crowd. Seriously folks don't
waste your energy. What we need is some one that is a proven Exec, CEO type
and has the charisma once one listens to him and that appears to be Mitt
Romney. My personal pick would be Newt Gingrench but that isn't going to
happen either.
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| User: "Al Smith" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
20 Feb 2007 04:31:45 PM |
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My personal pick would be Newt Gingrench but that isn't going to
happen either.
I might vote for Gingrech, on the off chance he wouldn't turn out
to be a total retard. Assuming I could vote in American elections,
which I can't.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
20 Feb 2007 11:36:31 AM |
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Wait till Giuliani actually has to face the coast-to-coast media,
"mainstream" and dissident alike - and has to face coast-to-coast
audiences. He'll be unable to deal with issues like how 9/11 rescued
him from a reputation in New York City just as a mayor with horrific
relations with that city's nonwhite majority over his police tactics -
and how he had to abandon the mayor's mansion to his legal wife
because he was consorting with a mistress. He'll be unable to deal
with Red Nation audiences over his longtime Hillarylike stance on
social issues, too.
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| User: "Karma" |
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| Title: Re: We need a strong leader like Giuliani in 2008 |
20 Feb 2007 11:40:28 AM |
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In article <1171992991.604393.107830@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"editor@netpath.net" <editor@netpath.net> wrote:
Wait
<snipped>
The O.P. is a troll, don't waste time on him.
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Let's see. we kill (execute) people to demonstrate , killing is wrong.
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