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"rbbomber" |
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27 May 2004 09:56:10 PM |
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We Seem to be Caving at Najaf as We Did at Falluja |
The following is a paragraph from http://dailycommentary.blogspot.com
The news from Iraq has us apparently caving at Najaf much the way we
did at Falluja. A sort of truce obliges us to remove our troops from
the city. The Najaf "insurgents," supposedly members of a militia led
by a rebel clergyman named al Sadr, are merely to stay off the
streets, which, as nearly as I can tell, means they should not show
any signs of militia membership when out in public.
Forth Right
May 27, 2004
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| User: "Stop The War" |
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| Title: Re: We Seem to be Caving at Najaf as We Did at Falluja |
27 May 2004 10:31:37 PM |
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"rbbomber" <rbbomber@netzero.com> wrote in message news:7e483417.0405271856.7e558dba@posting.google.com...
The news from Iraq has us apparently caving at Najaf
"Last week the Americans appeared to agree a similar deal for
both sides to withdraw from the other Shia holy city, Karbala,
but flatly denied it afterwards.
This time Mr Sadr was not going to risk anything like that.
He said his militia would not pull out until the Americans
publicly accepted the deal."
<http://www.nzherald.co.nz/storydisplay.cfm?storyID=3569170&thesection=news&thesubsection=world>
Which we did. No denying it this time...
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| User: "Rich - ® ©" |
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| Title: Re: We Seem to be Caving at Najaf as We Did at Falluja |
27 May 2004 11:12:57 PM |
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This Aljazeera report on the truce does not sound as bad as your post.
When you are more anti-Aerican than Al Jazeera, it is time to start thinking
twice about yourself.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/E3939FE0-5B81-4238-AD0F-1B90E45B7A8D.htm
Najaf siege ends in truce
Thursday 27 May 2004, 20:22 Makka Time, 17:22 GMT
US occupation forces have suspended their offensive against Iraqi militiamen
in the city of Najaf.
Spokesman for the US-led occupation administration, Dan Senor, said on
Thursday that the military would gradually hand over responsibility for
security to the Iraqi police.
Speaking at a press conference in Baghdad, Senor confirmed US forces would
"suspend offensive operations but will continue to provide security by
carrying out presence patrols" and will "retain the inherent right to
self-defence."
Shia clerics in Najaf are believed to have played a major role in trying to
end the fighting, pushing cleric Muqtada al-Sadr to offer terms for
withdrawal of his Mahdi Army militia.
The cleric agreed to end all armed demonstrations in the city, evacuate all
government buildings, withdraw from the city all Mahdi army fighters who are
non-Najaf residents, and the opening of talks with Shia leaders on
disbanding the Mahdi Army.
For their part, the US agreed to suspend the warrant for his arrest in
connection with another cleric's murder holding out the possibility of its
eventual dissolution.
The truce struck between al-Sadr and occupation forces was greeted with
cautious relief by the embattled residents.
The al-Sadr crisis has crippled the economy of this ancient city which
depends on the flow of foreign pilgrims to its sacred sites.
The Mahdi Army's grip on the city centre and the shrine has angered many
residents and prompted those loyal to Najaf-based senior religious leader
Grand Ayat Allah Ali al-Sistani to ask the militia to leave.
There were significantly less militiamen in the centre of town but the Mahdi
Army remained in firm control.
Black-clad fighters could still be seen stationed on rooftops and at the
entrances of all the main roads leading to the shrine.
"We have received no orders to withdraw, only to put away our weapons for
now as negotiations go on," said Abu Faris, a militia commander near the
shrine.
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| User: "H. Metzler" |
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| Title: Re: We Seem to be Caving at Najaf as We Did at Falluja |
28 May 2004 04:56:46 PM |
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(rbbomber) wrote in message news:<7e483417.0405271856.7e558dba@posting.google.com>...
The following is a paragraph from http://dailycommentary.blogspot.com
The news from Iraq has us apparently caving at Najaf much the way we
did at Falluja. A sort of truce obliges us to remove our troops from
the city. The Najaf "insurgents," supposedly members of a militia led
by a rebel clergyman named al Sadr, are merely to stay off the
streets, which, as nearly as I can tell, means they should not show
any signs of militia membership when out in public.
Forth Right
May 27, 2004
The following is a paragraph from an Sunni Iraqi blogger living in the
South among the Shia.
"Basrah has been largely quiet for the last two weeks, an occasional
mortar is fired randomly and a roadside bomb explosion every now and
then, but other than these 'normal' incidents nothing much has been
going on. What attracted my attention was that posters of Muqtada
Al-Sadr which used to be all over the place are now mostly gone, I
could even recognise some which were half torn off the walls. Abdul
Sattar Al-Bahadili (Sadr's representative in Basrah) has reportedly
been recruiting suicide bombers, a few people here say that 20 of
Sadr's followers signed up, and there is news of an anonymous group in
Iran that has been doing the same. People also say that Al-Bahadili
(who now poses as a pious cleric seeking British slaves) used to be a
comedian before the war, and that he once acted in a theatre play in
the role of Khomeini. Interesting. Other than that, Basrawis are now
pretty open in their criticism of Sadr, I believe the latest
statements from Al-Sistani and the Marji'iyah in Najaf (which have
been intentionally downplayed by the media) have a lot to do with
that. A couple of months ago nobody would even dare to speak out
against Sadr, but today for example, a medical aide at my hospital
announced in front of a whole room of people, and to my greatest
surprise, that 'Muqtada is a huge source of embarrassment for us'."
http://healingiraq.blogspot.com/
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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| Title: Re: We Seem to be Caving at Najaf as We Did at Falluja |
29 May 2004 11:24:25 AM |
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(rbbomber) wrote in message news:<7e483417.0405271856.7e558dba@posting.google.com>...
The following is a paragraph from http://dailycommentary.blogspot.com
The news from Iraq has us apparently caving at Najaf much the way we
did at Falluja. A sort of truce obliges us to remove our troops from
the city. The Najaf "insurgents," supposedly members of a militia led
by a rebel clergyman named al Sadr, are merely to stay off the
streets, which, as nearly as I can tell, means they should not show
any signs of militia membership when out in public.
Forth Right
May 27, 2004
You think its "caving" because you don't understand the goal. The
goal is not to defeat them but to bring them under the control of the
new Iraqi federal government. US troops moved in and killed the first
and second wave of armed insurgents and then told the Iraqi leadership
to go in and negotiate with the very large stick. That "stick" is the
threat of the US troops moving in again and wiping out the third and
fourth waves of insurgents. This is indeed a powerful negotiating
tool we handed to the Iraqi negotiators. The US is doing a great job.
Be patient. Give them time. Things are going well.
If you really want to harm the US troops just start "armchair
quarterbacking" their decisions based upon nothing but what you see in
the liberal media. That brings disaster every time.
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