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Politics > Politics-USA |
| User: |
"Semper Libčr" |
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01 Mar 2007 12:01:29 AM |
| Object: |
Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false. There are
many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the events as
they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We contacted as
many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for and we
canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight path
of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane could not
be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
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| User: "Thebzp" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 08:05:48 PM |
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It was very interesting to hear the people who claim they have seen
flight77, all the details of what they saw was in about a second.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=thepentacon&hl=en
Here is what Rumsfeld said about the pentagon :
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines
flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building
and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only
way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists,
wherever they are, and dealing with them."
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Semper Libčr wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false. There are
many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the events as
they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We contacted as
many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for and we
canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight path
of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane could not
be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 09:08:03 PM |
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Thebzp wrote:
It was very interesting to hear the people who claim they have seen
flight77, all the details of what they saw was in about a second.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802&q=thepentacon&hl=en
Here is what Rumsfeld said about the pentagon :
"Here we're talking about plastic knives and using an American Airlines
flight filed with our citizens, and the missile to damage this building
and similar (inaudible) that damaged the World Trade Center. The only
way to deal with this problem is by taking the battle to the terrorists,
wherever they are, and dealing with them."
http://www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/t11182001_t1012pm.html
Poor delusional Rumsfailed. I don't know if he really psyched himself
to believe that crap or if he merely expected that thick Americans would.
I suppose about 30% of Americans still do, but their numbers dwindle daily.
Osama isn't in Iraq, never was, and most likely never will be.
More than likely, he's dead.
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| User: "spike125" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
01 Mar 2007 01:10:45 AM |
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On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Lib=E8r" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false. There =
are
many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the events as
they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We contacted=
as
many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for and we
canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight path
of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane could =
not
be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court. I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though. It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
It's not "Loose Change", but not bad a bit long. I know from my
experience in Ontario what the Govt says and what it does are not the
same thing. Questioning what our well paid civil servants are doing
with our tax dollars is always a smart thing. I think that is what
these folks are doing, good of them and us.
Take care,
spike
--
Spike's page about Nazi stamp collecting, Ontario Court Darling Tim
Young is updated with selected rulings from the Learned Judge
Hunter,and fresh proof court transcripts are being altered, by the
well paid civil servants in the Liberal Govt of Ontario...
http://thevandalnextdoordeaththreatsandmore.asar-intl.com/
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
01 Mar 2007 03:36:07 AM |
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spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false. There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though. It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an empty mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available about
the final trajectory and impact. That said, the idea that Hani von
Richthofen Hanjour was in control of the aircraft is nonsense. We have
sufficient information to know that whatever hit the Pentagon was flying
with exacting precision. Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna 172, much less
barnstorm the Pentagon with a 757 at 500 knots.
It's not "Loose Change", but not bad a bit long.
Loose Change has its flaws. People should not be misled into believing that
LC is the only model of what happened. AFAIK, Dylan, et al., don't even
claim that their proposed explanations are "the last world". I stand by
the makers of Loose Change in terms of moral integrity, but not necessarily
on points of technical accuracy.
I know from my
experience in Ontario what the Govt says and what it does are not the
same thing. Questioning what our well paid civil servants are doing
with our tax dollars is always a smart thing. I think that is what
these folks are doing, good of them and us.
With all of it's flaws, Canada seems to have a freer press than the USofA
LLC.
--
Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "TruthSeeker" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
01 Mar 2007 04:46:10 AM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false. There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though. It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an empty mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
the final trajectory and impact. That said, the idea that Hani von
Richthofen Hanjour was in control of the aircraft is nonsense. We have
sufficient information to know that whatever hit the Pentagon was flying
with exacting precision. Hanjour couldn't fly a Cessna 172, much less
barnstorm the Pentagon with a 757 at 500 knots.
It's not "Loose Change", but not bad a bit long.
Loose Change has its flaws. People should not be misled into believing that
LC is the only model of what happened. AFAIK, Dylan, et al., don't even
claim that their proposed explanations are "the last world". I stand by
the makers of Loose Change in terms of moral integrity, but not necessarily
on points of technical accuracy.
I know from my
experience in Ontario what the Govt says and what it does are not the
same thing. Questioning what our well paid civil servants are doing
with our tax dollars is always a smart thing. I think that is what
these folks are doing, good of them and us.
With all of it's flaws, Canada seems to have a freer press than the USofA
LLC.
--
Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com
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| User: "Semper Libčr" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
01 Mar 2007 10:44:44 PM |
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"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with groundbreaking
testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though. It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757, we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced concrete,
while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of the aircraft)
simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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01 Mar 2007 11:37:44 PM |
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though. It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757, we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines, etc.
It can smash up fairly easily. I don't have a great deal of problem
believing AA77 hit the Pentagon. Part of that is due to the fact that I
worked with people from one of the offices which was hit. They never
expressed any doubt about what hit the building.
No one has presented a compelling argument to persuade me that AA77 didn't
hit the building.
--
Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "Semper Libčr" |
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03 Mar 2007 03:53:40 PM |
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines, etc.
It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft. The
discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat tolerant
metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat requirements.
There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust and densest
material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some landing gear
components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls of
the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was most
definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just the
opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even penatrate ONE
wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls, and even
deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that is
impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but some 20
feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
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| User: "ekrubmeg" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
11 Mar 2007 11:29:14 AM |
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On Mar 3, 2:53 pm, "Semper Lib=E8r" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in messagenews:dbqdnYv=
CH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Lib=E8r wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRac...@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Lib=E8r" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.o=
rg>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 offic=
ial
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on =
the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the pla=
ne
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard =
to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollyw=
ood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ram=
sey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could=
be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the G=
ovt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of =
the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines, etc.
It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft. =
The
discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat tolerant
metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat requirements.
There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust and densest
material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some landing gear
components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls =
of
the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was most
definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just the
opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even penatrate ONE
wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls, and even
deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that is
impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but some=
20
feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
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11 Mar 2007 03:58:27 PM |
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ekrubmeg said:
On Mar 3, 2:53 pm, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in messagenews:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRac...@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines, etc.
It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft. The
discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat tolerant
metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat requirements.
There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust and densest
material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some landing gear
components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls of
the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was most
definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just the
opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even penatrate ONE
wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls, and even
deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that is
impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but some 20
feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
I've seen cartoons of planes hitting buildings and they always leave exact
replicas of the shape of the plane.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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11 Mar 2007 10:43:48 PM |
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Bob Snelly wrote:
ekrubmeg said:
On Mar 3, 2:53 pm, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in
messagenews:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRac...@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr"
<nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11
official story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically
on the events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions.
We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain
numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest
to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by
the eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the
plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit
hard to understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing
though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important,
given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like
Hollywood break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the
Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at
the Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what
could be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the
Govt and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information
available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the
pentagon image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from
the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a
757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part
of the aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense
and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines,
etc. It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks
for your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about
9,000 lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the
aircraft. The discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality,
high heat tolerant metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress
and heat requirements. There is absolutely no doubt that they are the
most robust and densest material on the entire aircraft, with the
exception of some landing gear components that are very robust
themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer
walls of the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it
was most definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe
just the opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even
penatrate ONE wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX
walls, and even deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of
course that is impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside
the cabin, but some 20 feet either side of it, and would have been
sheared off.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
I've seen cartoons of planes hitting buildings and they always leave exact
replicas of the shape of the plane.
Spoken like a true product of the MSM.
--
Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
11 Mar 2007 03:45:16 PM |
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ekrubmeg wrote:
On Mar 3, 2:53 pm, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <a...@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in
messagenews:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRac...@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr"
<nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org> wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11
official story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on
the events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain
numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest
to find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the
plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard
to understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important,
given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like
Hollywood break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the
Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could
be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the
Govt and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information
available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a
757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of
the aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines,
etc. It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft.
The discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat
tolerant metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat
requirements. There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust
and densest material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some
landing gear components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly
as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls
of the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was
most definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just
the opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even
penatrate ONE wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls,
and even deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that
is impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but
some 20 feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
--
Nil conscire sibi
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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21 Mar 2007 08:32:02 PM |
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On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
..
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there, without
question, so long as it fits your purposes and nobody who
researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 09:43:35 PM |
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can_o_worms wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there,
I've already told you that I don't buy the 19 Islamokazis with box-cutters
conspiracy theory.
without question,
I question everything.
so long as it fits your purposes
Please tell me what (you think) my purposes are.
"I, do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the
United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear
true faith and allegiance to the same;"
and nobody who researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
Strangely, you have shown no evidence of having investigated this matter.
You have don't nothing but post insults and speculative nonsense in
anything you have "contributed" to this discussion.
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 09:04:50 PM |
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can_o_worms wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there, without
question, so long as it fits your purposes and nobody who
researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
Hatto isn't buying the engines buried themselves and resodded the lawn.
There are lots of questionable bits of info out there, and no I don't
buy every notion floated on the NGs.
Some of the silliest disinfo is spread by 9/11 truthers themselves, or
agents provocateurs posing as 9/11 truthers. Get the drift?
:-\
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| User: "can_o_worms" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 09:12:03 PM |
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:04:50 -0400, Defendario
<Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there, without
question, so long as it fits your purposes and nobody who
researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
Hatto isn't buying the engines buried themselves and resodded the lawn.
There are lots of questionable bits of info out there, and no I don't
buy every notion floated on the NGs.
Some of the silliest disinfo is spread by 9/11 truthers themselves, or
agents provocateurs posing as 9/11 truthers. Get the drift?
:-\
I was just beginning to think Mad Hatto was a mole trying
to make disgruntled kraut farmer's kids look bad.
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
21 Mar 2007 09:51:16 PM |
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can_o_worms wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:04:50 -0400, Defendario
<Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there, without
question, so long as it fits your purposes and nobody who
researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
Hatto isn't buying the engines buried themselves and resodded the lawn.
There are lots of questionable bits of info out there, and no I don't
buy every notion floated on the NGs.
Some of the silliest disinfo is spread by 9/11 truthers themselves, or
agents provocateurs posing as 9/11 truthers. Get the drift?
:-\
I was just beginning to think Mad Hatto was a mole trying
to make disgruntled kraut farmer's kids look bad.
I've already made clear that I believe that the much of the history of Nazi
Germany is extremely distorted, and if the whole truth were told, the
Allies would end up looking at least as bad as Germany.
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2006/09/auschwitz-sans-psyops.html
--
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1ek5w_wtc7-the-smoking-gun-of-911-updated
http://911research.wtc7.net
http://vehme.blogspot.com
Virtus Tutissima Cassis
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| User: "Defendario" |
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| Title: Re: Website shows 911 official story could not possibly be true. |
22 Mar 2007 07:08:02 PM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:04:50 -0400, Defendario
<Defendario@netscape.com> wrote:
can_o_worms wrote:
On Sun, 11 Mar 2007 16:45:16 -0400, Hatto von Aquitanien
<abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote:
.
Figure the angle the plane was going when it hit and the face that it
didn't hit the building but rather just in front of it and do your
figuring from there. The engines are in the ground.
Do you practice stupidity, or does it come naturally to you?
No one is as stupid as you guys for buying into virtually every
stupid and disingenuous conspiracy theory out there, without
question, so long as it fits your purposes and nobody who
researches any of it thoroughly and objectively is going to
make the kind of ***** of themselves as you boneheads do.
Hatto isn't buying the engines buried themselves and resodded the lawn.
There are lots of questionable bits of info out there, and no I don't
buy every notion floated on the NGs.
Some of the silliest disinfo is spread by 9/11 truthers themselves, or
agents provocateurs posing as 9/11 truthers. Get the drift?
:-\
I was just beginning to think Mad Hatto was a mole trying
to make disgruntled kraut farmer's kids look bad.
I've already made clear that I believe that the much of the history of Nazi
Germany is extremely distorted, and if the whole truth were told, the
Allies would end up looking at least as bad as Germany.
Anyone who plowed their way thru _Rise_and_Fall_of_the_Third_Reich_
pretty well knows this implicitly. The Soviet Union was the big winner
of WW II, and the regime of Stalin was singularly ghastly in its
character. The evils of Colonialism stain England, as slavery and Jim
Crow haunt the USA. Today's victims of American Free Enterprise
Capitalism are from New Orleans, and the VA. We have plenty of dark
secrets here.
http://vehme.blogspot.com/2006/09/auschwitz-sans-psyops.html
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03 Mar 2007 09:38:44 PM |
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11 official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines, etc.
It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft. The
discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat tolerant
metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat requirements.
There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust and densest
material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some landing gear
components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls of
the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was most
definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just the
opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even penatrate ONE
wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls, and even
deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that is
impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but some 20
feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
TY for making this point so lucidly.
What do you think actually hit the Pentagon? What happened to the airliner?
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"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11
official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on
the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like
Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the
Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could
be
a
nose-cone. I wish the seized tapes would be declassified by the
Govt
and then we could make our own minds up.
I think AA77 _did_ hit the Pentagon. There are real national
security
reasons for minimizing the amount of detailed information available
about
check the photos on this web site and take good look of the pentagon
image and compare it to the damage done to the WTC from the plane.
http://freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
Where are the wings of the 757 ? They can't just vanish ?
More importantly, where are the engines?
In order to believe the damage done at the pentagon was done by a 757,
we
have to totally reverse the laws of physics, and believe that the
aluminum
cabin bored a neat hole through mulitple layers of bomb reinforced
concrete, while the engines (the most durable and most dense part of
the
aircraft) simply bounced off and/or disintegrated.
Not really. The engines only have a core which is relatively dense and
rigid. The majority of the structure consists of cowling turbines,
etc.
It can smash up fairly easily.
I worked on those engines for a couple of years actually, but thanks for
your analysis. In actual fact, the engines on the 757 weigh about 9,000
lbs., and are very much denser than the aluminium cabin of the aircraft.
The
discs and shafts are furthermore made of high quality, high heat
tolerant
metals of varying alloys, depending on their stress and heat
requirements.
There is absolutely no doubt that they are the most robust and densest
material on the entire aircraft, with the exception of some landing gear
components that are very robust themselves, but not nearly as heavy.
I can assure you that if ANYTHING was going to penetrate the outer walls
of
the pentagon, upon striking them at some 400 or more knots, it was most
definitely the 4 ton engines. However, we are lead to believe just the
opposite occured, and that not only did the engines not even penatrate
ONE
wall, the aluminum cabin supposedly went through SIX walls, and even
deposited an engine disc at the exit hole, when of course that is
impossible, given the fact the engines are not inside the cabin, but
some 20
feet either side of it, and would have been sheared off.
TY for making this point so lucidly.
What do you think actually hit the Pentagon?
Without having access to the 80 or more videos the FBI is still refusing to
release to the public, its going to be speculation of course, but from the
looks of the single disc at the exit hole my money is on the Global Hawk, as
opposed to the A-3 which others believe is the culprit.
Rumsfeld even let it slip that "a missile" hit the pentagon, and the global
hawk can be programmed to fly a specific route at a specific speed and time,
remain airborne for 36 hours and has a wingspan of 116 feet, compared to 125
feet for the 757. The "A" version can carry a 2000 lb payload, while the "B"
can carry 3000 and has a wingspan of 130 feet. According to official US
Pentagon statements, there are TWO Global Hawks that went "missing" from
inventory in what they then described as "ongoing missions".
The video interviews in the below video suggest there may have been a
flyover of a 757 at a different angle, with a closely timed impact with
another aircraft (global hawk), but all we can say for sure is that the path
given by several witnesses excludes this "757" aircraft, and this
notwithstanding the already inconsistent damage to the pentagon and light
poles. Only 3 of 14 witnesses interviewed described what they saw as an
american airlines plane.
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/flight_77_path_video_from_pilots_for
_911_truth.htm
What happened to the airliner?
There is no recorded scheduling of any flight 77 (or flight 11 for that
matter) leaving the airport THAT DAY. From an ATC point of view, anything
with a transponder could appear to be "flight 77", and we know for a fact
that hijacking drills were being done that day by NORAD - some 20 or more
hijacked aircraft in fact. Interestingly enough, all of the four planes
involved in 911 were one quarter of normal capacity - so you do the math.
Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm
There are things that we know, and things we don't know. I know that the
damage done to the pentagon was not done by a heavy commercial airliner, and
most especially not a 757.
What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html
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03 Mar 2007 11:53:20 PM |
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
What do you think actually hit the Pentagon?
Without having access to the 80 or more videos the FBI is still refusing
to release to the public, its going to be speculation of course,
The video interviews in the below video suggest there may have been a
flyover of a 757 at a different angle, with a closely timed impact with
another aircraft (global hawk), but all we can say for sure is that the
path given by several witnesses excludes this "757" aircraft,
There are many other witness accounts supporting the 757 impact.
and this
notwithstanding the already inconsistent damage to the pentagon and light
poles.
How is the damage to the light poles inconsistent?
Only 3 of 14 witnesses interviewed
By whom? How were these witnesses selected?
described what they saw as an american airlines plane.
Did they say that it definitely wasn't?
http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/flight_77_path_video_from_pilots_for_911_truth.htm
What happened to the airliner?
There is no recorded scheduling of any flight 77 (or flight 11 for that
matter) leaving the airport THAT DAY. From an ATC point of view, anything
with a transponder could appear to be "flight 77", and we know for a fact
that hijacking drills were being done that day by NORAD - some 20 or more
hijacked aircraft in fact. Interestingly enough, all of the four planes
involved in 911 were one quarter of normal capacity - so you do the math.
Wargames Were Cover For the Operational Execution of 9/11
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2004/080904wargamescover.htm
There are things that we know, and things we don't know. I know that the
damage done to the pentagon was not done by a heavy commercial airliner,
and most especially not a 757.
The people on the ground at the Pentagon, including the ones who lost
friends and coworkers, think it was a 757.
What really happened to American Airlines Flights 11 and 77
http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/1177.html
Holmgren has to be on a mission to discredit the 9/11 citizens'
investigation. Either that or he is simply off his rocker.
The issue of what hit the Pentagon is not essential to showing that the OCT
is a Big Lie. I strongly urge people not to take intransigent positions
regarding whether a 757 it the Pentagon. I think the no-planers are being
set up to be discredited. I could be wrong, but from what I know of the
situation, I conclude that the most tenable explanation is that an
electronically hijacked 757 hit the Pentagon.
--
Nil conscire sibi
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04 Mar 2007 06:05:35 PM |
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"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
What do you think actually hit the Pentagon?
Without having access to the 80 or more videos the FBI is still refusing
to release to the public, its going to be speculation of course,
The video interviews in the below video suggest there may have been a
flyover of a 757 at a different angle, with a closely timed impact with
another aircraft (global hawk), but all we can say for sure is that the
path given by several witnesses excludes this "757" aircraft,
There are many other witness accounts supporting the 757 impact.
Could be. What i'm telling you is that the damage is inconsistant with what
they claim. Eye witness reports are not always reliable, and never moreso
when half of them work for the people believed to have made (or let) it
happen.
and this
notwithstanding the already inconsistent damage to the pentagon and
light
poles.
How is the damage to the light poles inconsistent?
The aircraft could not have been flying to the north side of the gas
station, and also hit the light poles. This is impossible.
Only 3 of 14 witnesses interviewed
By whom? How were these witnesses selected?
How should i know? Two of them were pentagon police officers, however, so
presumably they would not be deliberately trying to discredit their
employer.
described what they saw as an american airlines plane.
Did they say that it definitely wasn't?
Maybe you should watch the video. You seem to be missing the point. The
video is rather clear about the problems raised.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4196580169348087802
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03 Mar 2007 10:50:27 PM |
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Semper Libčr wrote:
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:54ut4sF22a1dpU5@mid.individual.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"Hatto von Aquitanien" <abbot@AugiaDives.hre> wrote in message
news:dbqdnYvCH82xJXrYnZ2dnUVZ_qqrnZ2d@speakeasy.net...
Semper Libčr wrote:
"TruthSeeker" <StopRacism@now.org> wrote in message
news:45e69d82$0$16296$88260bb3@free.teranews.com...
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
spike125 wrote:
On Mar 1, 1:01 am, "Semper Libčr" <nopolicesta...@freedom4all.org>
wrote:
You have reached the website hosting a documentary with
groundbreaking testimony that sufficiently proves the 9/11
official
story false.
There
are many aspects of 9/11 but this movie focuses specifically on
the
events as they happened at the Pentagon.
This testimony was obtained by Citizen Investigation Team in a
persistent
effort to find the truth in light of a myriad of questions. We
contacted
as many previously published eyewitnesses we could obtain numbers
for
and
we canvassed the neighborhoods of Arlington on foot in a quest to
find
unpublished eyewitnesses. Our goal was to establish the final
flight
path of the plane before it reached the pentagon as seen by the
eyewitnesses.
The results are devastating as we now know for sure that the plane
could
not be what damaged the Pentagon.
http://www.thepentacon.com/
Hi;
Weird I was just at rense.com watching this video.
It's an interesting video, some of the witnesses, are a bit hard to
understand they would do very well on an Ontario Court.
Kind of like Raul Hilberg, eh?
I think some
of the witnesses are saying what they are, because they don't
understand the implications. Perhaps that's a good thing though.
It's
always best to keep an open mind, right.
There's a difference between keeping an open mind and keeping an
empty
mind.
The dvix player is cool. These type of videos are important, given
our
mass media only reports on the really important stuff like
Hollywood
break-ups and what happens in front of rehab centers.
Well there's 24x7 sordid details of the rape and murder of the
Ramsey
kid,
and Slick Willy's yenta lip servant as well.
I have read that there are many video's, of what happened at the
Pentagon that day, yet we have only seen a few pics of what could
be
a
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