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"Raymond" |
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17 Oct 2003 12:42:37 AM |
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Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
Read complete article that appeared in the Atlanta-Journal
Constitution on Sept.18. 2003. Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9036
For the younger posters to the Newsgroups who were not with us when
we engaged in our longest war.
See: The Poetry of the Vietnam war. Vietnam Picture Tour.The Poem
by Gary Jacobson
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/nampictour.html
See: A Real Right Wing Conservative American Type Hero, William
Calley
The American Experience/Vietnam/In The Trenches
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 06:22:00 PM |
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Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Neither were you...
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| User: "cyber" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 09:18:41 AM |
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In article <bdbe2722.0310162142.f85302@posting.google.com>,
(Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
g sez;
It is true , they call them "Chicken Hawks"
and yes, I served in Viet-Nam.
further reading?
http://au.news.yahoo.com/031016/19/m40i.html
"If I can not dance, I want no part in your revolution." Emma Goldman
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 02:33:25 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
Read complete article that appeared in the Atlanta-Journal
Constitution on Sept.18. 2003. Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9036
For the younger posters to the Newsgroups who were not with us when
we engaged in our longest war.
See: The Poetry of the Vietnam war. Vietnam Picture Tour.The Poem
by Gary Jacobson
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/nampictour.html
See: A Real Right Wing Conservative American Type Hero, William
Calley
The American Experience/Vietnam/In The Trenches
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
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| User: "Raymond" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 09:52:05 AM |
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(Captain Compassion) wrote in message news:<3f8f9b10.23407688@news.verizon.net>...
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
*** --- ***
Powell served two tours of duty in Vietnam, but I'm sure that Max
Cleland who lost both legs and an arm in Nam, does not consider the
General to be a driver of the engine to get into the war. Neither do
I. He was a DOCILE follower of the drivers of that engine however.
For his two tours of duty in Vietnam, Powell was never exposed to
serious combat. He was a awarded the Purple Heart for a minor foot
wound he received after stepping on a "punji stick". And he was later
awarded a Bronze Star for heroism and a Soldier's Medal for pulling
two men free from a non-combat related helicopter crash.
He is most famous, during his Vietnam experience, for his cover-up
investigation of the My Lai Massacre.
See: Powell Is Not The Man You Think
http://www.usvetdsp.com/story13.htm
Questions For Colin Powell
http://www.nowarcollective.com/powellquestions.htm
Bluerhymer
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"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
Read complete article that appeared in the Atlanta-Journal
Constitution on Sept.18. 2003. Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9036
For the younger posters to the Newsgroups who were not with us when
we engaged in our longest war.
See: The Poetry of the Vietnam war. Vietnam Picture Tour.The Poem
by Gary Jacobson
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/nampictour.html
See: A Real Right Wing Conservative American Type Hero, William
Calley
The American Experience/Vietnam/In The Trenches
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
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| User: "Tarver Engineering" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 12:17:31 PM |
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"Raymond" <> wrote in message
news:bdbe2722.0310170652.53825e75@posting.google.com...
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net (Captain Compassion) wrote in message
news:<3f8f9b10.23407688@news.verizon.net>...
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
*** --- ***
Powell served two tours of duty in Vietnam, but I'm sure that Max
Cleland who lost both legs and an arm in Nam, does not consider the
General to be a driver of the engine to get into the war.
I think you underestimate the power of Secretary Powell.
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 09:59:56 AM |
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Subject: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President
From: (Raymond)
Date: 10/17/2003 10:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <bdbe2722.0310170652.53825e75@posting.google.com>
Powell served two tours of duty in Vietnam,
Powell is on record that Saddam was a region problem at best. He clearly was
not part of the group that banged the war drums.
but I'm sure that Max
Cleland who lost both legs and an arm in Nam, does not consider the
General to be a driver of the engine to get into the war. Neither do
I.
I agree with you.
He was a DOCILE follower of the drivers of that engine however.
For his two tours of duty in Vietnam, Powell was never exposed to
serious combat
My brother know Powell on both tours in Vietnam. He was honorable and a guy
that you could trust.
He was a awarded the Purple Heart for a minor foot
wound he received after stepping on a "punji stick". And he was later
awarded a Bronze Star for heroism and a Soldier's Medal for pulling
two men free from a non-combat related helicopter crash.
He also knows enough to protect our troops. I like powell.
He is most famous, during his Vietnam experience, for his cover-up
investigation of the My Lai Massacre.
He was very low level at the time an d his involvement was very minor.
See: Powell Is Not The Man You Think
No one ever are but Powell is an honorable person and clearly a misfit among
the idiots around the president.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 06:56:00 AM |
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Subject: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President
From: (Captain Compassion)
Date: 10/17/2003 3:33 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <3f8f9b10.2340768
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
Powel did not want to get us into the Iraq war so he was not one of the leader
beating the drums of war.
Powell statements prior was Suddam was locap problem and not a problem to
others. BTW who is the big player with local interest. Hint it was formed
from arab lands by the british and it has a star of david on its flag.
"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
The former senator Max Cleland was attacked by the rabid right. How right he
was.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 04:06:43 PM |
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In article <3f8f9b10.23407688@news.verizon.net>, (Captain Compassion) wrote:
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
Are you actually claiming Powell counciled in favor of the war in cabinate
meetings?
"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
Read complete article that appeared in the Atlanta-Journal
Constitution on Sept.18. 2003. Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9036
For the younger posters to the Newsgroups who were not with us when
we engaged in our longest war.
See: The Poetry of the Vietnam war. Vietnam Picture Tour.The Poem
by Gary Jacobson
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/nampictour.html
See: A Real Right Wing Conservative American Type Hero, William
Calley
The American Experience/Vietnam/In The Trenches
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
With talent on loan from Merck
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| User: "Thom" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 07:45:41 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 21:06:43 GMT, (Rico) wrote:
In article <3f8f9b10.23407688@news.verizon.net>, (Captain Compassion) wrote:
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
Are you actually claiming Powell counciled in favor of the war in cabinate
meetings?
thats a good question. Many believe that Powell gave up his chance
for the VP or Prez slot to join the Bush junta and try and keep a lid
on those bozo's. Though we can't rerun the experiment to see what
would have happened if Powell wasn't around, it appears that he has
failed to keep a lid on things.
THOM
"American forces in Iraq have become sitting ducks in a shooting
gallery for every terrorist in the Middle East."
____ Max Cleland, former U.S. Senator
Read complete article that appeared in the Atlanta-Journal
Constitution on Sept.18. 2003. Welcome to Vietnam, Mr. President.
http://tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9036
For the younger posters to the Newsgroups who were not with us when
we engaged in our longest war.
See: The Poetry of the Vietnam war. Vietnam Picture Tour.The Poem
by Gary Jacobson
http://pzzzz.tripod.com/nampictour.html
See: A Real Right Wing Conservative American Type Hero, William
Calley
The American Experience/Vietnam/In The Trenches
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/vietnam/trenches/mylai.html
***********
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
With talent on loan from Merck
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 08:12:39 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 Captain Compassion wrote:
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
Powell drove the engine for war?
I saw him trying to moderate the idiots in charge.
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| User: "LawsonE" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 08:39:57 AM |
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<DA@gawd's.house> wrote in message
news:5iqvovgg23o6ua1cgfna5gofovmmlfdt62@4ax.com...
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 Captain Compassion wrote:
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
"Unfortunately, the people who drove the engine to get into the war in
Iraq never served in Vietnam...
Powell never served in Nam?
Powell drove the engine for war?
I saw him trying to moderate the idiots in charge.
To a certain extent, yeah, but he's neocon in his support of the Pax
Americana, as far as I know. He just wants to try a slightly different
method to attain the imperial goals.
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| User: "Charlie Wolf" |
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17 Oct 2003 08:03:25 AM |
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You don't know ***** about Vietnam or Iraq.
Regards,
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
***** snipped...
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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17 Oct 2003 09:47:15 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:03:25 -0500, Charlie Wolf
<retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote:
You don't know ***** about Vietnam or Iraq.
Regards,
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
***** snipped...
Nam? Visited there once but I haven't been back in a little over 40
years. I suspect that it's changed a bit.
You a Nam expert?
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
17 Oct 2003 09:51:37 AM |
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Subject: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President
From: (Captain Compassion)
Date: 10/17/2003 10:47 AM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id:
Nam? Visited there once but I haven't been back in a little over 40
years. I suspect that it's changed a bit.
You a Nam expert?
I just met someone in England that was in Vietnam recently. Her comment was so
many poor people who had nothing. I guess victory was not all that sweat to
the average person.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "Thom" |
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17 Oct 2003 05:43:54 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:47:15 GMT, (Captain
Compassion) wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:03:25 -0500, Charlie Wolf
<retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote:
You don't know ***** about Vietnam or Iraq.
Regards,
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
***** snipped...
Nam? Visited there once but I haven't been back in a little over 40
years. I suspect that it's changed a bit.
Boy has it!!! I was in Saigon a couple of years ago and theres
skyscrapers!!! The old US AID building is now a 5 star hotel, "Win
Way" which was beautiful then is more so now, the railroad is now
standard gauge and the station (down by the old market us modernized
etc etc.
THOM
You a Nam expert?
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
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| User: "Captain Compassion" |
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| Title: Re: Welcome To Vietnam, Mr. President |
20 Oct 2003 03:18:01 AM |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 22:43:54 GMT, (Thom)
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 14:47:15 GMT, (Captain
Compassion) wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2003 08:03:25 -0500, Charlie Wolf
<retiredUSN@noemail.com> wrote:
You don't know ***** about Vietnam or Iraq.
Regards,
On 16 Oct 2003 22:42:37 -0700, (Raymond) wrote:
***** snipped...
Nam? Visited there once but I haven't been back in a little over 40
years. I suspect that it's changed a bit.
Boy has it!!! I was in Saigon a couple of years ago and theres
skyscrapers!!! The old US AID building is now a 5 star hotel, "Win
Way" which was beautiful then is more so now, the railroad is now
standard gauge and the station (down by the old market us modernized
etc etc.
I spent my time in and around Da Nang.
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"You must realize that at it's inception and in continual practice
marriage is simply a license to *****. Without this and the resulting
children the institution of marriage would not be necessary nor would
it exist." -- Captain Compassion
"In this world, which is so plainly the antechamber of another, there
are no happy men. The true division of humanity is between those who
live in light and those who live in darkness. Our aim must be to
diminish the number of the latter and increase the number of the
former. That is why we demand education and knowledge." -- Victor Hugo
"There are two sides to every issue: one side is right and the other
is wrong, but the middle is always evil." -- Ayn Rand
Pluralitas non est ponenda sine neccesitate -- William of Occam
Joseph R. Darancette
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