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Wesley Clark =?iso-8859-1?Q?=97?= Not like Ike |
George Will
Not like Ike
For some Republicans, Howard Dean's supremacy
among Democratic presidential aspirants --
$10 million expected to be raised in the
July-September quarter; a 21-point lead in
New Hampshire -- causes merriment. They
think a Dean nomination, featuring
opposition to the war, enthusiasm for higher
taxes and approbation for same-sex civil
unions, would mean four more years of what
Dean considers the Bush-Ashcroft Terror.
Unless Dean wins. Which is unthinkable.
As unthinkable as a twice-defeated Senate
candidate from Illinois, whose single
congressional term was more than a decade
earlier, being elected president with 39.9
percent of the vote. As unthinkable as a
vice president losing a presidential race,
then a California gubernatorial race, then
six years later winning the presidency. As
unthinkable as a movie actor becoming
president.
A Dean presidency is not inconceivable.
Granted, it is unlikely for reasons that
make it undesirable. He may not wear well
with the public. If he is half as bright as
he thinks he is, he is very bright. And his
is no uncertain trumpet: The brio with which
he proclaims his beliefs proves that he is
not paralyzed by the difference between
certitude and certainty.
But there is danger as well as benefit for
Dean in his very Deanness. The obverse of
his high opinion of himself is his low
opinion of President Bush. So he probably
would sigh, or do the functional equivalent.
If Al Gore had not expressed his disdain for
Bush by those exasperated sighs during the
first debate, Gore might be president. But
Gore had to sigh. Expressing disdain of
Bush was for Gore a sensual delight, almost
a metabolic necessity. It might be for Dean,
too. But most of the electorate would be
unforgiving of bad manners toward any
president.
Another potential Dean weakness, implicating his political
judgment, is suggested by believable reports that he admires
retired Gen. Wesley Clark, former NATO commander. Dean, more
than any other possible Democratic nominee, might need a
running mate who would assuage anxieties about a former
Vermont governor's lack of national-security experience.
Other Democrats see Clark as a solution to a problem their
party has had since the McGovernite takeover in 1972: the
problem of voters' doubts about its competence in the area of
national security. But the fact that Clark is the kind of
military man who appeals to Democrats -- and that they appeal
to him -- helps explain why the party has that problem.
Comparisons of Clark to Dwight Eisenhower are ludicrous.
Eisenhower, as well-prepared as any president for the
challenges of his era, had spent three years immersed in the
political complexities of coalition warfare, dealing with
Roosevelt, Churchill, Stalin, de Gaulle and others. Clark's
claim to presidential stature derives from directing NATO's 78
days of war at 15,000 feet over Serbia. It was the liberals'
dream war: tenuously related to U.S. security, with an
overriding aim, to which much was sacrificed, to have zero
U.S. fatalities.
As Clark crisscrosses the country listening for a clamor for
him ("I expect to have my decision made by Sept. 19," when he
visits Iowa -- feel the suspense), he compounds the confusion
that began when he said on June 15 that on 9/11 "I got a call
at my home" saying that when he was to appear on CNN, "You've
got to say this is connected" to Iraq. "It came from the White
House, it came from people around the White House. It came
from all over." But who exactly called Clark?
July 1: "A fellow in Canada who is part of a Middle Eastern
think tank." There is no such Canadian institution. Anyway,
who "from the White House"? "I'm not going to go into those
sources. . . . People told me things in confidence that I
don't have any right to betray."
July 18: "No one from the White House asked me to link Saddam
Hussein to Sept. 11."
Aug. 25: It came from "a Middle East think tank in Canada, the
man who's the brother of a very close friend of mine in
Belgium. He's very well connected to Israeli intelligence. . .
.. I haven't changed my position. There's no waffling on it.
It's just as clear as could be."
Now Clark darkly says there are "rumors" that in February "the
White House" tried -- well, "apparently" tried -- "to get me
knocked off CNN." Clark still coyly refuses to say he is a
Democrat but forthrightly confesses to being a "centrist." As
he prepares to heed the clamor for him to join the pursuit of
Dean, he is earning the description National Review has given
to Sen. Bob Graham: "a deranged moderate."
George Will's latest book is "With a Happy Eye but:
America and the World, 1997-2002" .
© 2003, Washington Post Writer's Group
posted by permission
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| User: "Barbara Walker" |
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02 Sep 2003 07:14:11 AM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F548630.E67828A3@gta.igs.net...
But there is danger as well as benefit for
Dean in his very Deanness. The obverse of
his high opinion of himself is his low
opinion of President Bush. So he probably
would sigh, or do the functional equivalent.
If Al Gore had not expressed his disdain for
Bush by those exasperated sighs during the
first debate, Gore might be president. But
Gore had to sigh. Expressing disdain of
Bush was for Gore a sensual delight, almost
a metabolic necessity. It might be for Dean,
too. But most of the electorate would be
unforgiving of bad manners toward any
president.
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats. His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids. And while that insane rudeness plays well with the
Left Fringe Democrats, it does NOT play well with the average American
Voter.
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination. The only one of the 9 Democrat Dwarves which would BETTER serve
the GOP's purpose would be Sharpton winning the nomination.
Today's Democrat Party has become a 3-ring circus, with 9 clowns jammed into
that little Volkswagon the clowns eventually spill out of during the circus.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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08 Sep 2003 04:48:42 PM |
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Barbara Walker wrote:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F548630.E67828A3@gta.igs.net...
But there is danger as well as benefit for
Dean in his very Deanness. The obverse of
his high opinion of himself is his low
opinion of President Bush. So he probably
would sigh, or do the functional equivalent.
If Al Gore had not expressed his disdain for
Bush by those exasperated sighs during the
first debate, Gore might be president. But
Gore had to sigh. Expressing disdain of
Bush was for Gore a sensual delight, almost
a metabolic necessity. It might be for Dean,
too. But most of the electorate would be
unforgiving of bad manners toward any
president.
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats. His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids. And while that insane rudeness plays well with the
Left Fringe Democrats, it does NOT play well with the average American
Voter.
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination. The only one of the 9 Democrat Dwarves which would BETTER serve
the GOP's purpose would be Sharpton winning the nomination.
Sharpton is running for veep or a cushy cabinet post —
he wants clout without responsibility. When has he
ever performed responsibly?
As for Dean, if he can continue to stonewall the facts
until Iowa, he might get a free ride through the
convention. However, I am seldom wrong, and to me,
Dean looks less and less electable from week to week.
Today's Democrat Party has become a 3-ring circus, with 9 clowns jammed into
that little Volkswagon the clowns eventually spill out of during the circus.
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| User: "Peter Vos" |
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08 Sep 2003 10:45:06 PM |
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Pulver <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in news:3F5CF928.CF49DA6@gta.igs.net:
[snip]
Sharpton is running for veep or a cushy cabinet post —
he wants clout without responsibility. When has he
ever performed responsibly?
Wow - hell of an indictment against Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Ridge, Snow &
Co.
Democrats, Liberals, Leftists, and Progressives have been making this
criticism of the administration for some time now. But like the FedEx
commercial, I guess it sounds better when you say it.
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| User: "Douglas Otis" |
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03 Sep 2003 03:22:02 PM |
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Barbara Walker wrote:
"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote:
But there is danger as well as benefit for
Dean in his very Deanness. The obverse of
his high opinion of himself is his low
opinion of President Bush. So he probably
would sigh, or do the functional equivalent.
If Al Gore had not expressed his disdain for
Bush by those exasperated sighs during the
first debate, Gore might be president. But
Gore had to sigh. Expressing disdain of
Bush was for Gore a sensual delight, almost
a metabolic necessity. It might be for Dean,
too. But most of the electorate would be
unforgiving of bad manners toward any
president.
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats. His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids. And while that insane rudeness plays well with the
Left Fringe Democrats, it does NOT play well with the average American
Voter.
Reading newspapers provides nearly daily revelations of Bush
administration policies favoring special interest and demonstrating a
lack of concern for individuals and the nation. The biased influence of
this administration has however raised considerable campaign funds.
$1.7 billion tax dollars given to Halliburton in no-bid contracts
suggests how this favor is met. The dozen-a-day meat grinder the
military must endure now seems an exercise to support favored corporate
hegemony and not to stop terror or provide a peaceful world. This
imperialistic behavior has damaged our nation's respect, principles, and
commerce with fear tactics used as justification for sidestepping world
diplomacy and law.
Any candidate that attempts to justify such lack of principles will
exclude them from consideration. Reality has begun to set in for voters
and share a similar level of rage. Democracy should be deliberative and
is thereby messy. A leader that fails to consider principles of their
actions, and thereby abuse their authority, has not earned a respectful
election. I would wish there were a better Republican candidate myself
as I would not wish to see fear of evil used to prop up right wing
agendas designed to disenfranchise.
Doug
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| User: "Pablo Ricardo" |
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10 Sep 2003 08:57:23 AM |
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On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Today's Democrat Party has become a 3-ring circus, with 9 clowns jammed into
that little Volkswagon the clowns eventually spill out of during the circus.
A whole lot funnier than a bunch of kids getting killed in a
sand-infested shithole for nothing related to the immediate security of
the United States, as this was played up to be. Halliburton Private
Security, paid for with YOUR taxdollars and an idiotic flagwaving smile...
Pablo
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| User: "nobody" |
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10 Sep 2003 07:50:22 PM |
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In article <vlubbdi2pdl26a@corp.supernews.com>,
Pablo Ricardo <soypablo@nospam.bigworld.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
Why, you're eminently forgettable.
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Yeah, I'll be watching and LMAO in November of 2004 when Dean turns out
to be the Dukakis of the 2000s Hahahahahahaha.
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| User: "Enceladus" |
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11 Sep 2003 09:08:44 AM |
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Dean/Clark is unbeatable. Jr.s is toast. Spin on your thumb but the only
way you can win is by cheating massively. I don't put it past any Pug
cretin.
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-1ABE97.20510810092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <vlubbdi2pdl26a@corp.supernews.com>,
Pablo Ricardo <soypablo@nospam.bigworld.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the
dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
Why, you're eminently forgettable.
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat
Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Yeah, I'll be watching and LMAO in November of 2004 when Dean turns out
to be the Dukakis of the 2000s Hahahahahahaha.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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11 Sep 2003 08:00:39 PM |
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Enceladus wrote:
Dean/Clark is unbeatable. Jr.s is toast. Spin on your thumb but the only
way you can win is by cheating massively. I don't put it past any Pug
cretin.
All top posters are idiots and "Enceladus" is no
exception, yet he dares to call others "cretin".
Dean is no more unbeatable than was Thos Dewey, and he
has a far way to go to the convention. At this point
he appears to have peaked too soon.
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-1ABE97.20510810092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <vlubbdi2pdl26a@corp.supernews.com>,
Pablo Ricardo <soypablo@nospam.bigworld.com> wrote:
On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the
dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
Why, you're eminently forgettable.
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat
Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Yeah, I'll be watching and LMAO in November of 2004 when Dean turns out
to be the Dukakis of the 2000s Hahahahahahaha.
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| User: "nobody" |
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11 Sep 2003 08:21:30 PM |
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In article <3F6119E9.B9A3F034@gta.igs.net>, Pulver <redlen@gta.igs.net>
wrote:
Enceladus wrote:
Dean/Clark is unbeatable. Jr.s is toast. Spin on your thumb but the only
way you can win is by cheating massively. I don't put it past any Pug
cretin.
All top posters are idiots and "Enceladus" is no
exception, yet he dares to call others "cretin".
Dean is no more unbeatable than was Thos Dewey
I figure most of his money is probably coming from the Republican party
and the Democrats are too stupid to figure it out. Dean, the Dukakis of
the 2000s. Hahahahahahahaha.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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11 Sep 2003 08:02:41 PM |
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nobody wrote:
In article <sl%7b.646$Zr2.24964@iad-read.news.verio.net>,
"Enceladus" <enceladus@saturn.net> wrote:
Dean/Clark is unbeatable. Jr.s is toast.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Just like Tom Dewey!!! (:~)))
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| User: "Pulver" |
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10 Sep 2003 06:04:07 PM |
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Pablo Ricardo wrote:
On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Naaah! They would be lucky if they are permitted to mop the floor FOR Bush
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| User: "Pulver" |
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11 Sep 2003 08:30:43 AM |
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Pablo Ricardo wrote:
On 9/2/2003 4:14 AM, Barbara Walker wrote:
Dean taps into the hatred and rudeness roiling profusely within the dark
souls of the Left Fringe Democrats.
Yeah, baby! And don't forget us independent freetinkin' Sub-G
motherfuckers either!
His rudeness towards Bush comes across
as Gore On Steroids.
Nah, he ain't all that...he's just telling it like it is, tha's all...
If that is what he is fact doing, then North america
just turned into Australia and the world is upside down.
Dean is a weasel and he fought tooth and nail to keep
his record as Governor of Vermont under seal for TEN
years. But the weasel is starting to appear.
In the past week he took 4 diametrically opposite
positions on one issue and they were ALL wrong.
Therefore, speaking as a Republican, I hope Dean wins the Democrat Party
nomination.
Hey, me too! And with Clark
That's a big joke, man!
running with him as VP, together they'll
mop the floor with Bush. You watch...
Sure we will!
We will watch them mop the floor "FOR" Bush, if they
are lucky.
Better send them to janitorial school.
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