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"Salah Jafar" |
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09 Jun 2007 02:23:35 PM |
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West's Islam Threat |
West's Islam Threat
Many Muslims claim Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world.
It is slowly becoming a part of all our lives. Some may well ask,
"Does it matter, for some in Islam are gentle people?" The truth is
that while the sensitive Muslim is disturbed by some of the things
done in the name of Islam, the expansionists uphold extremes:
‘One Muslim extremist of the Islamic Liberation party reminded his
interlocutors just before the scheduled opening of the party’s
international rally in London in August, 1994, that “there are 123
verses in the Quran about killing and fighting.” And he added, quite
unnecessarily, “Ours is not a passive religion.”’ (Fregosi, P., 1998,
p.18, Jihad).
We are told by some politicians, moderate Muslims and sections of the
media that this brand of Is-lam is a perversion of the true Islam and
that Islam means peace; but many others, who also call themselves
Muslims, insist that this is the true Is-lam, classical Islam.
(Extremists like Bin Laden quote many verses from the Quran and
Islamic traditions in their speeches.) Two of the verses moderate
Muslims often quote are Sura 5:32 and Sura 5:82. (A Sura is the
equivalent of a chapter in the Quran.) Sura 5:32 says: ‘…if any one
slew a person…it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any
one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole
people….’ Hence the killing of the innocent is wrong. Certain
extremists, however, are very quick to point out that non-Muslims are
not innocent and some refer to the verse which immediately follows
Sura 5:32 (5:33). Sura 5:83 also seems to change the meaning of Sura
5:82.
This is all very confusing. Obviously, a book can be made to sound
better or worse than it actually is. Are some Muslims friendly because
of the teachings of classical Islam or are they friendly despite it?
Is Islam fundamentally peace loving or have some in our governments
lied to us in order to avoid a public reaction? (I don’t need to be
convinced that Islam is peaceful; I’m not going to blow up a bus.
Islamic extremists are the ones who need to be convinced that only
peaceful methods should be used in the name of Islam.)
Would it matter if some of our states adopted Islamic law through the
democratic process? And would the face of Islam change once power was
obtained? Perhaps there are two faces of Islam?
TO GET THE RIGHT ANSWERS WE MUST BEGIN ASKING THE RIGHT QUESTIONS
Whether one's enemies should be treated differently from those who
believe, is one of the most distinctive differences between the
world's most read religious books, in particular the Quran and the New
Testament. The differences between the two are fundamental
differences. (I encourage you to read the Quran for yourself.) When
reading the Quran it is important to consider its tone (How does it
read?). Does it encourage Muslims to trust and love pagans or treat
them with suspicion and hostility? Are there more verses about love
and forgiveness or about war and fighting? Do some verses replace
others when there seems to be a contradiction? (See Sura 16:101. Suras
9 and 5 are two of the last Suras to be revealed to Mohammed.) Are all
means permissible if they advance the cause of Islam? All such
questions need to be asked and answered when reading the Quran.
WAR IN THE QURAN AND HADITH
Here are two of the 123 verses referred to above. The Muslim Students
Association (MSA) of the University of Southern California put the
Quran on-line from which these verses are taken. [Note: the numbering
of these varies slightly between translations.
‘O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to
you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with
those who keep their duty (unto Him)’ (Sura al-Tawba 9:123).
‘Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold
that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger,
nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the
People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission,
and feel themselves subdued’ (Sura al-Tawba 9:29).
Most Muslims would say that extremists are misunderstanding these
verses. Misunderstood or not, the history of Islam shows that many
Muslim clerics and leaders have used those verses to spread terror.
(How are Muslims to stop such ‘misinterpretation’? Can Islam get out
of this cursed situation, especially when there seems to be so much
support for the extremist's position according to Islam's most
respected texts? Samuel Huntington in A Clash of Civilizations
believes that the problem for the West is not ‘fundamentalism’ but
Islam itself, ‘a different civilisation whose people is convinced of
the superiority of their culture and is obsessed with the inferiority
of their power.’; see
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/politics/khalifa.html)
The following is an Islamic tradition regarding what Mohammed once
said. It comes from Sahih Bukhari (‘Sahih’ is an Islamic word, which
means ‘authentic’ or ‘genuine’). Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim (part
of the Hadith) are said to be so impor-tant that it is impossible to
rightly interpret the Quran without them. The following is taken from
the website run by the MSA at the University of Southern California.
Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people
till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but
Allah...'”(Sahih Bukhari, 1:8:387).
After ten years of fighting, Mohammed died in 632 A.D. The pattern had
been established, "Invitation first (that is, call them first to
embrace Islam). If they refuse, then war." (See Mohammed’s letter to
the Omani people. www.answering-islam.org/Muhammad/oman.htm,
www.answering-islam.org/Books/Zwemer/alms.htm &
www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv2.html; See also Bukhari, 5:59 &
Sura 9:81-89)
After Mohammed’s death Muslim armies spread in all directions,
including Europe. ‘The story begins around 650 C.E. with the first,
unsuccessful siege of Constantinople, and continues with the invasion
and occupation, sometimes for hundreds of years, of many European
countries. Italy, Sicily, Portugal, France, Spain, Austria, Bosnia,
Serbia, Croatia, Hungary, Rumania, Wallachia, Albania, Moldavia,
Bulgaria, Greece, Armenia, Georgia, Poland, the Ukraine, and eastern
and southern Russia were all battlefields where Islam conquered or was
conquered in violent conflicts marked by cruelty, bloodlust, and a
fearful loss of life, spread over considerably more than a thou-sand
years.’
‘For over a century and a half the world had forgotten this fact,
since most Muslim countries were politically impotent and ruled mainly
as the colonies or protectorates of European powers.’
‘…European history has remained transfixed on the Christian Crusades
of the eleventh to the thirteenth century, it has largely ignored
these Muslim attacks and invasions...When accusing the West of
imperialism, Muslims are obsessed with the Crusades, but have
forgotten their own longer and more gruesome Jihad’ (Fregosi, P, 1998,
Jihad). [See Timeline. Here is a list of European countries which were
occupied by Muslims (either Arabs, Moors, or Ottoman Turks): Spain 800
years, Portugal 600 years, Greece 500 years, Sicily 300 years, Serbia
400 years, Bulgaria 500 years, Rumania 400 years, and Hungary 150
years.]
Why should all this interest us? Fregosi adds, ‘There's an intention
to censor what's going on about Islam, more so than for any other
religion’ (Jihad, Dig deep; the devil is in the detail. See “The
Killing of Ka’b b. al-Ashraf” in The Life of Muhammad: A Translation
of Ibn Ishaq by A. Guillaume;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=SddesLgxzHM, The Myth of Islamic Tolerance
by Robert Spencer (editor), www.danielpipes.org/article/2384 &
www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2092-2058502,00.html).
Truth must be valued more than our ideologies or beliefs.
Unfortunately, many Muslim leaders think their beliefs are more
important than truth. Taqiyya. (See
www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/www.answering-islam.org/Index/L/lying.html
and Debunking 9/11 Myths by Dunbar & Reagan )
Sadly, many uneducated western intellectuals are credulous toward
Islamic leaders; making us vulner-able to the Islamist agenda. It’s
time they opened their eyes (See “The Last Great Islamic Empire” in
Efraim Karsh’s book Islamic Imperialism; The Question of Orientalism
and Race and Slavery in the Middle East by Ber-nard Lewis; Jihad and
the Professors by Daniel Pipes www.danielpipes.org/article/498; Bat
Ye’or’s The Decline of Eastern Christianity under Islam and “The
Security Debacle” in Londonistan by Melanie Phillips; see also Ref1 &
Ref2). “The sword”, said Mohammed, “is the key of heaven and hell…
whosoever falls in battle, his sins are forgiven” (Schaff, P., See
also Sahih Bukhari, Vol. 4 Book 52 Number 46, 65, 72; Sahih Muslim
book 19, book 20 chapters 32, 41, 42; Sura 4:95 and The Life of
Muhammad: A Translation of Ibn Ishaq by A. Guillaume).
It is as true today as it was then that Muslims wish to have their
sins forgiven. Every Muslim lacks this certainty, and some are willing
to do anything to gain it. Thus fighting for Allah (a form Jihad) is
the way of many. Such self-sacrifice and devotion to Allah has not
unified the Islamic world.
History has shown that Muslims often fight against other Muslims
because they cannot accept their interpretation of the Quran or their
particular application of the Law. Many Muslim countries regard other
Muslim countries as not strict enough when it comes to applying the
Sharia (Law based on the Quran & Hadith); and groups such as the
Wahabis in Saudi Arabia claim others are not true Muslims. One can
expect to see an increase in violence, between Islamic groups, until
all are united under the long awaited Mahdi.
And what if a united Islam obtains the technology and military might
to challenge western nations? If the world is forced to accept Islamic
Law it will not be a more peaceful place.
The few countries that have adopted the Sharia are all disasters.
After its adoption in Sudan (1983), many black Africans were enslaved
and over 2 mil-lion non-Muslims were murdered in that country. They
were regarded as enemies of Allah for the crime of seeking freedom of
speech, freedom of religion and democracy. Such is the law of Islam.
(For a closer look at extreme Islam see Holy Warriors by Orr-Ewing and
Escape from Slavery by Francis Bok.)
LIVING UNDER SHARIA (ISLAMIC LAW)
We note also that while Islam is supposed to bring equality between
Muslims, in practice this has never occurred. Many believe they are
better than other Muslims because of race or birth. And the super rich
are able to avoid many of the harsh punishments from which poor people
cannot escape.
Sadly, many dream of a world under the Sharia because they believe it
is the solution to the problems that plague humanity. “Foreign
Correspondent” (Australian TV) has screened some of the atrocities
committed publicly by Muslims against Muslims. Unfortunately, these
acts were approved by the religious leaders of those communities. See
www.abc.net.au/foreign/stories/s403270.htm
Thinking people may ask, “If there are so many problems in the Islamic
world why do so many re-main true to Islam?” It is true that many
Muslims feel safe within their communities. Also, Muslims are
continually told by their peers that Islam is a wonderful religion.
But there is one factor which is often ignored by the western media;
it is not safe for most Muslims to turn their backs on Islam. To the
fanatical Muslim, anyone who gives up Islam must have done it because
of insanity. Though Sura 2:256 states there is ‘no compulsion in
religion’, many have suffered the death penalty for apostasy.
‘I heard the Prophet saying, “In the last days (of the world) there
will appear young people with foolish thoughts and ideas. They will
give good talks, but they will go out of Islam as an arrow goes out of
its game, their faith will not exceed their throats. So, wherever you
find them, kill them, for there will be a reward for their killers on
the Day of Resurrection”’ (Bukhari, 6:6:577). (Violence is not always
having the desired effect. See www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTg9tvd1CRM and
www.the-good-way.com/eng/book/b09 for the stories of two men. For more
about the punishment of those who turn their back on (or oppose) Islam
see www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv1.html)
On top of this, moderate Muslims in some countries have to be careful
of whom they befriend (see Sura 5:51) and they must not oppose the
Sharia as they risk being labeled enemies of Allah (See Sura 5:33).
But what about non-Muslims who live under Sharia law? What is it like
for them? In a court of law the testimony of a non-Muslim is
considered inferior to that of a Muslim and non-Muslims must pay more
tax. These and other injustices are so the ‘infidel’ might convert.
See www.answering-islam.org/NonMuslims/index.htm (The book, A People
Betrayed, by Patrick Sookhdeo takes an in-depth look into how Pakistan
went from being a country that promised equality to one that oppresses
minorities.)
Those who fight to implement the Sharia, are not ‘freedom fighters’,
but freedom destroyers. See
www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/by_the_sword.html
REASON FOR CONCERN?
Should Islam be taken as a serious threat to today's non-Muslim
communities? (See Dispatches- Undercover Mosque on
www.youtube.com/watch?v=peFQWuk4nuo, the DVD Obsession
www.youtube.com/watch?v=vypKSWHlnKA;
http://pnews.org/ArT/FrE/HAR.shtml and the list on
www.thereligionofpeace.com )
A Cambridge University panel discussion (23rd Jan 2003) was held on
the topic "Is Islam a threat to the West?" Some of the so called
moderate Muslims who took part in the discussion, refused to share the
stage with some of the Islamic extremists who were invited. As the
discussion wore on and questions were asked it became apparent that
the moderates were not as moderate as they would have liked people to
believe. (Appearances can be deceiving.) If they were ‘moderate’ it
only seems to reinforce the view that while there are moderate Muslims
Islam itself is not moderate. See
www.answering-islam.org/Andy/cambridge012303.html,
www.answering-islam.org/Silas/islam_test.htm
This raises a very important question. If we lose the war on
terrorism, what will it mean for us? Would losing this war be like
losing the war in Vietnam where we simply withdrew, licked our wounds
but lived in peace? Or would it mean that our society has collapsed;
we are no longer able to defend our-selves, have lost democracy and
have begun to live under the Sharia? See
www.dhimmiwatch.org/archives/009624.php &
www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110007760
Fortunately some Muslims are taking steps in the right direction.
See www.ijtihad.org/memo.htm,
www.petitionspot.com/petitions/manifesto, http://secularislam.org/ and
www.islam-watch.org/
The film Islam vs. Islamists
www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/muslim_charter.htm,
www.danielpipes.org/article/4426, www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciOGS6r97oE,
Islam and Science by Pervez A. Hoodbhoy, Twenty-Three Years: A Study
of the Prophetic Career of Mohammed by Ali Dashti
WHAT CAN YOU AND I DO TO HELP STOP ISLAMIC TERRORISM?
Islamic extremists claim they are following Mohammed’s example. What
can we do?
First, we must find rebuttals that specifically address all the
arguments which Islamic extremists use regarding terrorism. The ideal
rebuttal would begin as a forceful in-depth argument for terrorism
based on verses in the Quran, Hadith and early biographies about
Mohammed (as fundamentalists regard these texts as sacred), but end by
countering those arguments using those same respected texts. Only then
will the arguments of Islamists lose their power amongst those who
believe the Quran is the perfect Word of God. (Books written by
respected Muslims would be most effective. Unfortunately, I have found
no such books.) The world might have been a different place today if
those involved in the September 11 attacks had read such rebuttals
while they were still moderate Muslims. The lifeblood of Islamic
terrorism is the type of propaganda that encourages Muslims to fight
in order to spread the domain of Islam. Without recruits terrorist
organizations will eventually collapse. (Books have been written which
claim Islam is a peace loving religion, however, even the extremists
use such books when they wish to win converts for Islam.)
Secondly, we can treat Muslims as equals and encourage Muslims to
treat non-Muslims in Islamic countries as equals. Societies should be
judged by how they treat minorities and those with dissenting views.
(E.g. in Islamic countries, should Jews and Christians be allowed to
“produce their proof”? See Sura 2:111.) We must not use a double
standard when comparing the Islamic world to the rest of the world.
Ignoring oppression to maintain religious harmony is heartless and
cruel. See
www.jcpa.org/christian-persecution.htm
www.lewrockwell.com/spectator2/spec575.html
www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/apostasy.htm
www.answering-islam.org/Terrorism/open_letter_to_muslims.htm
Thirdly, we must allow freedom of speech and speak the truth (See
www.debunking911.com) in order to condemn that which should be
condemned. And whether we like it or not, some morals are better than
others. (If you say I’m wrong for making that state-ment it shows you
think your moral standards are better than mine. See Relativism [CD]
by Greg Koukl) We must not silence the moral voices within our
society; history shows that to do so signals the collapse of a society
(See Deliver Us From Evil by Ravi Zacharias, Legislating Morality by
Norman Geisler, and www.jesus-wept.org/).
IMPORTANT: Don’t believe or disbelieve any-thing which has been
written here without investigat-ing it first. This is a very emotional
and important sub-ject. Without the truth we are all vulnerable to
manipu-lation and strong emotions often mislead (For exam-ples see
History on Trial by Deborah Lipstadt; Michael Moore is a big fat
stupid white man by Hardy & Clarke; 6 Modern Myths by Philip J.
Sampson and The Books the Church Suppressed by Dr Michael Green). We
are all entitled to our own opinion; however, no one is enti-tled to
misinformation. Go into the links (See the an-swering-islam site
policy). Ask the tough questions. You can never dig too deep. Please
photocopy this and pass it on. (By Brad and Brother Mark)
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10 Jun 2007 04:03:34 PM |
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The West is the White race.
The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The
multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of
Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or
anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.
If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.
And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the
media, in other words the Jews.
Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their
own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to
remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were
our allies. Today it is the Muslims.
Osama bin Laden
September 24th statement published in Pakistan
"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic
freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose
first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it
is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the
U.S. is not uttering a single word."
http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com
http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/
http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
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| Title: Re: Identity Theft Is Last Dirty Trick Used by anti-Islam Trolls, They Must be Desperate |
09 Jun 2007 06:02:21 PM |
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Warning there anti-Islam forgers and trolls amongst us, proceed with
caution
On Jun 9, 4:44 pm, TROLLS HUNTER <trolls_hun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
ALERT !! anti-islam forger on line
Notice that anti-Islam trolls are busy trying to cheat us !!
There an imposter with stolen Muslim pseudonym on line !! JUST BE
AWARE
Anti-Islam trolls know that people don't want to read their silly
posts, so they are stealing aliases of most read Muslim authors with
influential information to post abusive and slanderous subject lines,
which often are "the same thing many times" !!
PULL YOUR HAIR HARD imposters !! ISLAM IS GROWING
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or an easy one, either for converts or their families. So, why have
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in the Family, find out.
click here
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salad jafar sez:
"Many Muslims claim Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world..."
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That says volumes about the state of education in the world.
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