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"Harry Hope" |
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15 Jun 2006 02:05:47 PM |
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What a waste of American lives |
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
Harry
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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15 Jun 2006 11:06:41 PM |
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
Who gives a flying ***** about these baby killing terrorists!
These butchers have murdered probably a quarter of a million innocent
Iraqis. They FUCKING DESERVE TO DIE!!! Their victims are the people
who need to be and deserve to be in the news, not their murderers who
justifiably get their terrorist clocks cleaned for them.
My sympathies are with the Jews, not the Nazi soldiers killing them.
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"de omnibus dubitandum" All is to be doubted --- Descartes
http://www.SkepticTank.org/ http://www.SkepticFiles.ORG/
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"***** Cheney, father of America's most famous rug muncher..."
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| User: "Vandar" |
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15 Jun 2006 02:10:49 PM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
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| User: "Lloyd King" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 03:03:57 PM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love every
one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk about
the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US foreign
policy, war and the US government killing people is probably the most
political topic there is. If these things are not proper subjects for
political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very things that
politics is ABOUT.
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 05:14:15 PM |
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Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love every
one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk about
the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US foreign
policy, war and the US government killing people is probably the most
political topic there is. If these things are not proper subjects for
political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very things that
politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
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| User: "Lloyd King" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 11:35:40 AM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny...
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably the
most political topic there is. If these things are not proper subjects
for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very things
that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person is
doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own political
purposes.
The dead ARE the political purpose. Or, more correctly, preventing MORE
dead is the political purpose. The use of the US military and the
consequences of those actions are the most important political issues there
are, and death is a MAJOR component of that debate.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
Here it is again: just like with Abu Ghraib and Haditha, these
right-wingers don't see a problem with the actual *act*, but with people
talking about the act later and criticizing it. It matters nothing to you
that 2500 US soldiers have died - that's not "reprehensible" in your world.
But *talking* about those deaths, pointing out that they were unnecessary
and should not have happened - THAT is what is "reprehensible" to you.
Well, YOU are reprehensible.
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| User: "Vandar" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:58:36 AM |
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Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny...
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably the
most political topic there is. If these things are not proper subjects
for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very things
that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person is
doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own political
purposes.
The dead ARE the political purpose. Or, more correctly, preventing MORE
dead is the political purpose. The use of the US military and the
consequences of those actions are the most important political issues there
are, and death is a MAJOR component of that debate.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
Here it is again: just like with Abu Ghraib and Haditha, these
right-wingers don't see a problem with the actual *act*, but with people
talking about the act later and criticizing it. It matters nothing to you
that 2500 US soldiers have died - that's not "reprehensible" in your world.
But *talking* about those deaths, pointing out that they were unnecessary
and should not have happened - THAT is what is "reprehensible" to you.
Well, YOU are reprehensible.
You need to pull your head out of your ***** long enough to actually read
what was written. You can start by ceasing to assume that anyone you
disagree with is a "right-winger". I can guarantee you that I'm much
further away from the right wing than you'll ever be.
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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15 Jun 2006 07:04:55 PM |
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On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very
things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
--
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be
dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War
is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known
instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
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| User: "Republicans Hate America" |
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15 Jun 2006 07:53:30 PM |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:04:55 GMT, The PretZel
<sourdough@saltwithmustard.com> wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very
things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has
never learned to walk forward.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the
point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
to tolerate speech.
- Justice Anthony Kennedy
My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be
unpopular.
- Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, are not only
unpatriotic and servile, but are morally treasonable to the American
public.
- Theodore Roosevelt
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| User: "Vandar" |
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15 Jun 2006 08:08:30 PM |
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Republicans Hate America wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:04:55 GMT, The PretZel
<sourdough@saltwithmustard.com> wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very
things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has
never learned to walk forward.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the
point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
to tolerate speech.
- Justice Anthony Kennedy
My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be
unpopular.
- Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, are not only
unpatriotic and servile, but are morally treasonable to the American
public.
- Theodore Roosevelt
None of those quotes are relevant to this discussion.
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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16 Jun 2006 03:21:30 AM |
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On 2006-06-15 18:08:30 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Republicans Hate America wrote:
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:04:55 GMT, The PretZel
<sourdough@saltwithmustard.com> wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very
things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has
never learned to walk forward.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the
point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
to tolerate speech.
- Justice Anthony Kennedy
My definition of a free society is a society where it is safe to be
unpopular.
- Adlai E. Stevenson Jr.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwell They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, are not only
unpatriotic and servile, but are morally treasonable to the American
public.
- Theodore Roosevelt
None of those quotes are relevant to this discussion.
You sure the hell aren't.
--
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be
dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War
is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known
instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
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| User: "Vandar" |
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15 Jun 2006 07:48:04 PM |
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The PretZel wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th
death. ________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the
very things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their sacrafice.
You "honor" their sacrifice by counting their corpses and undercutting
their choice to serve. Doing so makes you look bad, not the idiot in the
White House.
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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16 Jun 2006 03:20:30 AM |
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On 2006-06-15 17:48:04 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
The PretZel wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't talk
about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics. But US
foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is probably
the most political topic there is. If these things are not proper
subjects for political discussion, then nothing is. These are the very
things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement like
"killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war", then all that person
is doing is counting bodies so they can use the dead for their own
political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in this
illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
You "honor" their sacrifice by counting their corpses and undercutting
their choice to serve. Doing so makes you look bad, not the idiot in
the White House.
Counting their corpses? Why's that Rightard? You suggest we don't count
their sacrafice and ignore it? You want them swept under the carpet.
Sorry fuckwit. We're taking notes. As for their choice I hope they make
that choice fully educated FOR that choice what ever it might be. You
filthy, filthy rightards want them as dumb as a bag of bricks so that
they can not question as they fight this war and die in this war AND
NOT BE COUNTED.
You Rightards make me SICK.
--
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be
dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War
is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known
instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 11:53:57 AM |
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The PretZel wrote:
On 2006-06-15 17:48:04 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
The PretZel wrote:
On 2006-06-15 15:14:15 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Lloyd King wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
Harry Hope wrote:
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th
death. ________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll
love every one of those deaths.
I don't understand - it sounds like you are saying we shouldn't
talk about the deaths in the Iraq war in connection with politics.
But US foreign policy, war and the US government killing people is
probably the most political topic there is. If these things are
not proper subjects for political discussion, then nothing is.
These are the very things that politics is ABOUT.
Speak of the deaths all you wish, but when all one does is
repeatedly offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous
statement like "killed in insane Bush's illegal and unjust war",
then all that person is doing is counting bodies so they can use the
dead for their own political purposes.
It's rather foolish and makes "Harry" look like nothing more than a
vulture circling over dead Americans. If he's an American, he's
reprehensible.
No.
We honor their courage. Every inexcusable death of an American in
this illegal war makes King georgie look BAD. ...and we honor their
sacrafice.
You "honor" their sacrifice by counting their corpses and undercutting
their choice to serve. Doing so makes you look bad, not the idiot in
the White House.
Counting their corpses? Why's that Rightard?
I refer to Bush as the idiot in the WHite House and all of a sudden I'm
a "rightard"?
You suggest we don't count their sacrafice and ignore it?
Exactly the opposite of what I've already said, dumbass. Pull your head
out of your partisan ***** and learn to read.
You want them swept under the carpet.
Sorry fuckwit. We're taking notes. As for their choice I hope they make
that choice fully educated FOR that choice what ever it might be. You
filthy, filthy rightards want them as dumb as a bag of bricks so that
they can not question as they fight this war and die in this war AND NOT
BE COUNTED.
You Rightards make me SICK.
You partisans ARE sick. I'm not a republican and I never voted for Bush,
***** for brains.
Stop using everything for political purposes and act like a
free-thinking adult for once in your useless life.
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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15 Jun 2006 10:51:41 PM |
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Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." - Theodore Roosevelt
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| User: "Lloyd King" |
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16 Jun 2006 11:37:08 AM |
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"Political Pagan" <pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote in message
news:Xns97E3EB560ECEBpookinpnuballthewron@69.28.186.121...
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
The 19 hijackers?
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| User: "Vandar" |
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16 Jun 2006 01:04:30 AM |
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Political Pagan wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
Do you have a point?
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 03:22:55 AM |
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On 2006-06-15 23:04:30 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Political Pagan wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly offer a body count in conjunction
with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
Do you have a point?
He's offering a suggestion to sharpen your point on top of your head.
--
Of all the enemies to public liberty war is, perhaps, the most to be
dreaded because it comprises and develops the germ of every other. War
is the parent of armies; from these proceed debts and taxes...known
instruments for bringing the many under the domination of the few. . .
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
- James Madison, Political Observations, 1795
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 10:45:07 AM |
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Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ORrkg.3726$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny:
Political Pagan wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
Do you have a point?
Yep, and you proved it.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." - Theodore Roosevelt
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 11:55:38 AM |
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Political Pagan wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in news:ORrkg.3726$Oh1.642@news01.roc.ny:
Political Pagan wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:XYkkg.3695$Oh1.3282@news01.roc.ny:
but when all one does is repeatedly
offer a body count in conjunction with some ridiculous statement
"Republicans are for the people who died on 9/11" George W Bush
Do you have a point?
Yep, and you proved it.
I loathe the incometent fool we have in the White House and I'm quite
proud of the fact that I didn't vote for him. I did vote for Hillary though.
So again, do you have a point?
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 04:58:37 PM |
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Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:eoBkg.3565$oa1.1547@news02.roc.ny:
So again, do you have a point?
Yea, the Billy Goats Gruff were wondering what happened to you.
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"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." - Theodore Roosevelt
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 03:09:44 PM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes
What does it mean to use something "for political purposes", and why is that
bad?
Explain.
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by underminig American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 05:18:35 PM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny...
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes
What does it mean to use something "for political purposes", and why is that
bad?
Explain.
"2,492 American troops are dead, 18,357 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war."
It's bad because it's exploiting death for politics. If it's an American
exploiting American deaths for American politics, it's doubly bad.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 01:34:53 AM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%0lkg.3696$Oh1.230@news01.roc.ny...
What does it mean to use something "for political purposes", and why is
that bad?
Explain.
"2,492 American troops are dead, 18,357 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war."
It's bad because it's exploiting death for politics. If it's an American
exploiting American deaths for American politics, it's doubly bad.
You still haven't answerd the question. How is it "exploiting" anyone, and
if deaths are being used to make political arguments (like say - "these
deaths are bad and we'd like them to stop please"), why is that bad?
Explain. These deaths are occuring BECAUSE of politics. Why is it wrong to
discuss them in a political context?
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by underminig American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 12:02:36 PM |
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Joseph Welch wrote:
"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:%0lkg.3696$Oh1.230@news01.roc.ny...
What does it mean to use something "for political purposes", and why is
that bad?
Explain.
"2,492 American troops are dead, 18,357 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war."
It's bad because it's exploiting death for politics. If it's an American
exploiting American deaths for American politics, it's doubly bad.
You still haven't answerd the question. How is it "exploiting" anyone, and
if deaths are being used to make political arguments (like say - "these
deaths are bad and we'd like them to stop please"), why is that bad?
There's nothing wrong with your example, but that isn't what the OP
does. The OP doesn't say "these deaths are bad and we'd like them to
stop", he says "these deaths occurred because Bush is an insane war-monger".
Notice the difference?
Explain. These deaths are occuring BECAUSE of politics. Why is it wrong to
discuss them in a political context?
It isn't. It's wrong to USE them for political purposes.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
18 Jun 2006 12:03:40 PM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MuBkg.3567$oa1.350@news02.roc.ny...
Explain. These deaths are occuring BECAUSE of politics. Why is it wrong
to discuss them in a political context?
It isn't. It's wrong to USE them for political purposes.
WHY??
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by underminig American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
16 Jun 2006 03:20:23 PM |
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"Vandar" <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:MuBkg.3567$oa1.350@news02.roc.ny...
"2,492 American troops are dead, 18,357 have been wounded, tens of
thousands of innocent Iraqis are dead and wounded in deranged Bush's
insane war."
It's bad because it's exploiting death for politics. If it's an American
exploiting American deaths for American politics, it's doubly bad.
You still haven't answerd the question. How is it "exploiting" anyone,
and if deaths are being used to make political arguments (like say -
"these deaths are bad and we'd like them to stop please"), why is that
bad?
There's nothing wrong with your example, but that isn't what the OP does.
The OP doesn't say "these deaths are bad and we'd like them to stop", he
says "these deaths occurred because Bush is an insane war-monger".
Uh-huh. And if Bush wasn't an insane war monger we wouldn't have had these
deaths.
And?
Notice the difference?
No. Explain it, and explain why it's bad. Bush IS an incompetent, corrupt,
war-monger, and his incompetence and insane war-mongering has cause
thousands of deaths.
What's your point?
Explain. These deaths are occuring BECAUSE of politics. Why is it wrong
to discuss them in a political context?
It isn't. It's wrong to USE them for political purposes.
WHY? If leadership is a problem, and that problem is causing American
deaths - then why is it wrong to point out that the bad leadership is
responsible for the deaths? Wouldn't it be immoral to NOT do that?
You STILL haven't answered the question.
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George W. Bush has made the terrorists stronger, their influence wider,
their numbers larger, and their motivation to attack the U.S. and other
western interests greater. He has repeatedly abused his authority and
violated his Oath of Office by turning his back on the United States
Constitution; thereby surrendering to the terrorists by underminig American
freedoms,values, and the very foundations of our system of government.
Supporting Bush is treason.
***************
JW
***************
"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "The PretZel" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 02:24:11 PM |
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On 2006-06-15 12:10:49 -0700, Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> said:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
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What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
Oh? I tend to think it best to know what we're buying with American
blood, you pathetic *****. It's also nice to know how much something
is going to cost.
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"I gotta get out of this place, it's all liberals here."
-Timothy McVeigh
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| User: "Political Pagan" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 03:01:47 PM |
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Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
No, that's Bush and the Repugs exploiting 9/11.
--
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we
are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and
servile, but is morally treasonable to the American
public." - Theodore Roosevelt
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| User: "Republicans Hate America" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 07:48:38 PM |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:01:47 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
No, that's Bush and the Repugs exploiting 9/11.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwel
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They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, are not only
unpatriotic and servile, but are morally treasonable to the American
public.
- Theodore Roosevelt
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has
never learned to walk forward.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the
point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
to tolerate speech.
- Justice Anthony Kennedy
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| User: "Vandar" |
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| Title: Re: What a waste of American lives |
15 Jun 2006 08:08:53 PM |
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Republicans Hate America wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 20:01:47 GMT, Political Pagan
<pookinpnub@allthewrongplaces.biz> wrote:
Vandar <vandar69@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:Zgikg.3679$Oh1.2652@news01.roc.ny:
Harry Hope wrote:
From The Associated Press, 6/15/06:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060615/ap_on_re_mi_ea/us_iraq2_7
U.S. military deaths in Iraq reach 2,500
By LOLITA C. BALDOR, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON -
American deaths since the invasion of Iraq have reached 2,500, the
Pentagon said Thursday, marking a grim milestone in the wake of recent
events that President Bush hopes will reverse the war's unpopularity
at home.
The latest death was announced as Congress was launching a symbolic
election-year debate over the war, with Republicans rallying against
calls by some Democrats to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.
troops.
The Pentagon provided no details on the nature of the 2,500th death.
________________________________________________________
What an unnecessary waste of American lives.
As long as you can keep using it for political purposes, you'll love
every one of those deaths.
No, that's Bush and the Repugs exploiting 9/11.
During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a
revolutionary act.
- George Orwel
l
They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety.
- Benjamin Franklin
To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that
we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, are not only
unpatriotic and servile, but are morally treasonable to the American
public.
- Theodore Roosevelt
A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has
never learned to walk forward.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt
The First Amendment is often inconvenient. But that is besides the
point. Inconvenience does not absolve the government of its obligation
to tolerate speech.
- Justice Anthony Kennedy
Still not relevant.
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