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"fasgnadh" |
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07 May 2004 03:47:11 AM |
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What are Inmates of Abu Ghraib guilty of? |
"What are Inmates of Abu Ghraib guilty of?"
- According to the NY times, most of them,
including these torture victims, are never
charged with anything, they are just rounded
up in routine sweeps, interrogated, abused,
then released;
"Former prisoner too ashamed to return home"
NY Times Baghdad May 6, 2004
The shame is so deep that Hayder Sabbar Abd,34,
feels he cannot move back to his old neighbourhood
He would prefer not even to stay in Iraq.
But now the entire world has seen the pictures,
which Mr Abd looked at again on Tuesday,
pointing out those involved, starting with
three American soldiers wearing big smiles
for the camera.
"That is Joiner," he said, pointing at one
male soldier in glasses, a black hat and
blue rubber gloves.
"That is Miss Maya," he said, pointing to a
young woman's fresh face poking up over the
same pile of naked and hooded Iraqi prisoners.
In another picture, a second female soldier
flashed a toothy "thumbs up" and pointed at
the genitals of a man wearing only a black hood.
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.08.jpg
But the small scars on the torso left little
doubt about the identity of the naked prisoner.
"That is me," he said.
Mr Abd, 34, is at the centre of a scandal over
American mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.
In a detailed, two-hour account of his time
at the Abu Ghraib prison, he said he was
never interrogated and never charged with a crime.
Officials at the prison said they could not
"We were not terrorists," Mr Abd said.
"We were not insurgents. We were just
ordinary people. And American intelligence
knew this."
Mr Abd spoke with no particular anger at the
US occupation. He said that in six months in
prisons run by US soldiers, most of them
treated him well and with respect.
That changed in November when punishment for
a prisoner fight at Abu Ghraib degenerated into torture.
That night, he said, he and six other inmates
were beaten, stripped naked, forced to pile on
top of each other, to straddle each others'
backs naked, and to simulate oral sex.
American guards wrote words such as "rapist"
on their skin.
The curiosity was the camera.
It was a detail he mentioned repeatedly
as he recalled being forced against a wall
and ordered to masturbate as he looked at a female guard.
LEGAL CHALLENGE
Lawyers for 14 Iraqi families who allege
their relatives were unlawfully killed by
British troops in post-war Iraq took their
case to London's High Court yesterday.
They have demanded a judicial review to
examine whether the killings were a violation
of the victims' right to life under the European law.
Many of the victims were at home when soldiers burst in and shot them.
"It was humiliating," Mr Abd said in Arabic through
an interpreter. "We did not think that we would survive.
All of us believed we would be killed."
The details of Mr Abd's account could not be verified.
But a military official said that the prisoner number
that Mr Abd gave, 13077, matched a former prisoner who
submitted a statement alleging abuse by soldiers.
He also said that the man's account was consistent
with those verified by a military investigator.
Several episodes that Mr Abd recounted also matched,
in some detail, testimony given by other US soldiers
horrified by what they saw.
- New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/international/middleeast/05INMA.html
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| User: "fasgnadh" |
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| Title: Re: What are Inmates of Abu Ghraib guilty of? |
07 May 2004 07:38:41 AM |
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Axel VK wrote:
"fasgnadh" <fasgnadh@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:409B4D0F.C20E5D97@yahoo.com...
"What are Inmates of Abu Ghraib guilty of?"
Terrorism.
No No.. i didn't mean the torturers, i was referring
to their victims, according to the American press, they
were mostly ordinary citizens caught up in routine area sweeps,
interrogated, passed to you for a bit of sodomy, (apparently
you lack the basic equipment and need to use a broom handle)
and then released without charge.
Some of us have known for years about the abused
prisoners released because even the trailer trash the
USSA uses to run it's gulags worked out they were innocent;
http://www.geocities.com/mild_colonial_boy/gitmoed.html
You would have known that if you could read the post.
It seems we have to play help-the-retard with you.
Isn't that obvious?
What's obvious is that you are a fuckwit whose
problems with comprehension are only exceeded
by your inability to read! B^D
No wonder the Bleks took Seth Effrika from you, you are too
stupid to be allowed to walk to kindy unaided!
"What are Inmates of Abu Ghraib guilty of?"
- According to the NY times, most of them,
including these torture victims, are never
charged with anything, they are just rounded
up in routine sweeps, interrogated, abused,
then released;
"Former prisoner too ashamed to return home"
NY Times Baghdad May 6, 2004
The shame is so deep that Hayder Sabbar Abd,34,
feels he cannot move back to his old neighbourhood
He would prefer not even to stay in Iraq.
But now the entire world has seen the pictures,
which Mr Abd looked at again on Tuesday,
pointing out those involved, starting with
three American soldiers wearing big smiles
for the camera.
"That is Joiner," he said, pointing at one
male soldier in glasses, a black hat and
blue rubber gloves.
"That is Miss Maya," he said, pointing to a
young woman's fresh face poking up over the
same pile of naked and hooded Iraqi prisoners.
In another picture, a second female soldier
flashed a toothy "thumbs up" and pointed at
the genitals of a man wearing only a black hood.
http://news.globalfreepress.com/movs/wonk/CBS/60Min/60MinII.US.IraqiTortured.08.jpg
But the small scars on the torso left little
doubt about the identity of the naked prisoner.
"That is me," he said.
Mr Abd, 34, is at the centre of a scandal over
American mistreatment of Iraqi prisoners.
In a detailed, two-hour account of his time
at the Abu Ghraib prison, he said he was
never interrogated and never charged with a crime.
Officials at the prison said they could not
"We were not terrorists," Mr Abd said.
"We were not insurgents. We were just
ordinary people. And American intelligence
knew this."
Mr Abd spoke with no particular anger at the
US occupation. He said that in six months in
prisons run by US soldiers, most of them
treated him well and with respect.
That changed in November when punishment for
a prisoner fight at Abu Ghraib degenerated into torture.
That night, he said, he and six other inmates
were beaten, stripped naked, forced to pile on
top of each other, to straddle each others'
backs naked, and to simulate oral sex.
American guards wrote words such as "rapist"
on their skin.
The curiosity was the camera.
It was a detail he mentioned repeatedly
as he recalled being forced against a wall
and ordered to masturbate as he looked at a female guard.
LEGAL CHALLENGE
Lawyers for 14 Iraqi families who allege
their relatives were unlawfully killed by
British troops in post-war Iraq took their
case to London's High Court yesterday.
They have demanded a judicial review to
examine whether the killings were a violation
of the victims' right to life under the European law.
Many of the victims were at home when soldiers burst in and shot them.
"It was humiliating," Mr Abd said in Arabic through
an interpreter. "We did not think that we would survive.
All of us believed we would be killed."
The details of Mr Abd's account could not be verified.
But a military official said that the prisoner number
that Mr Abd gave, 13077, matched a former prisoner who
submitted a statement alleging abuse by soldiers.
He also said that the man's account was consistent
with those verified by a military investigator.
Several episodes that Mr Abd recounted also matched,
in some detail, testimony given by other US soldiers
horrified by what they saw.
- New York Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/05/international/middleeast/05INMA.html
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