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User: "Native American"
Date: 22 Jun 2005 05:39:15 AM
Object: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM
For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through U.S. Army
basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of Senator Richard
Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at Camp Delta in Guantanamo
are laughable.
One wonders what Durbin and the folks at Amnesty International would say if
their little darlings had been forced to stand at attention in 100-degree
heat for two or more hours at Fort Jackson or Camp Lejeune in full combat
gear, with 60 pounds of ammo and equipment, waiting for a general
inspection. "What time did you get up, soldier?" the inspecting officer
invariably asks the first trooper in line. The answer is always the same.
"Reveille, sir." As long as you said that, you didn't have to admit you and
your buddies had been up for 36 hours straight "G I-ing" the barracks, the
company street, your weapons and everything that moved or stood in the area.
"Drop down and give me 20, 30, 50," the training cadre would demand, and the
shaved head recruit falls to the ground and completes his push-ups --
sometimes to the point of exhaustion for those not in top condition. The
heel of the corporal on your back tends to make the task a bit more
difficult. Gosh, we should have had some of those ACLU lawyers.
Another fine element of training occurs when a drill sergeant's mouth is so
close to yours his shouts spit saliva till it runs down your face. One
flinch brings an order for 30 perfect push-ups or an evening of jogging
around the company area with a rifle held with both hands above one's head
while the miscreant shouts the General Orders.
Definitely too tough for those unfortunate terrorists.
Senator Durbin, whose biography shows he spent the Vietnam War in law
school, knows nothing of an American soldier's training life -- and we are
talking about only those first eight weeks of basic training, not the far
tougher regimen for Ranger, SEAL, Recon or Special Forces.
He says he's appalled the Gitmo terrorists had to sit or stand in stress
positions while under interrogation. What about crawling into and cleaning
out an eight-foot deep grease pit attached to each mess hall. That's a nice
little punishment for arriving late to formation. Or what about a 25-mile
march with a full field pack, your weapon and ammo, and only one canteen of
water?
Senator Durbin is deeply worried about the impression that is caused
internationally when a terrorist prisoner complains his "space" has been
invaded by a female interrogator. Oh, dear me, did that female make the poor
prisoner feel badly? An American soldier yearns for such "intimidation." A
recruit has no "space." He or she is Government property.
From what type of mental illness does Senator Durbin suffer? What country
has Durbin been inhabiting? From what planet does this civilian feather
merchant come? Senator, don't insult the hundreds of thousands of on-duty
servicemen and women and the millions of veterans by your politically
inspired pettifogging complaints.
Perhaps Senator Durbin doesn't understand what it takes to be an American
soldier or Marine. Perhaps he thinks the families of the terrorists should
be thought of before the families of the victims of 9/11 or those of our
fallen warriors. He speaks of Guantanamo as an embarrassment. It is he who
embarrasses those who have served.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8339
George H. Wittman, who enlisted in the Army in December 1950 (#RA12312266),
is a member of the Committee on the Present Danger and was the founding
chairman of the National Institute for Public Policy.
--
The Democrats, in their desperate search for an alchemist who can turn
Iraq into Vietnam, stumble into one soft cowpie after another.
.

User: "James"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 01:33:25 PM
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM


For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through U.S.

Army

basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of Senator Richard
Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at Camp Delta in

Guantanamo

are laughable.

I never thought of that. Yeah, I remember basic training and it's probably
worse than those prisoners are getting. I don't think basic training has
changed to the point of having a chocolate on your bunk pillow since I did
it. LOL
.
User: "Roger"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 11:28:01 PM
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"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM


For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through U.S.

Army

basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of Senator
Richard
Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at Camp Delta in

Guantanamo

are laughable.


I never thought of that. Yeah, I remember basic training and it's probably
worse than those prisoners are getting. I don't think basic training has
changed to the point of having a chocolate on your bunk pillow since I did
it. LOL

You probably volunteered.
These people were arrested AND NOT TRIED.
Many have been released.
.

User: "Jeff Welch"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 02:30:15 PM
"James" <kingkong@iglou.com> wrote in message
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I never thought of that. Yeah, I remember basic training and it's probably
worse than those prisoners are getting. I don't think basic training has
changed to the point of having a chocolate on your bunk pillow since I did
it. LOL

I did basic training, too.
-I was not kept in a cell
-I had regular contact with my family by phone and letter
-I was not forced into solitary confinement nude
-I was not assaulted
No chocolate on the pillows, that's for sure but it wasn't GiTMO either.
-Jeff
.
User: "James"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 23 Jun 2005 09:44:07 AM
"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"James" <kingkong@iglou.com> wrote in message
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I never thought of that. Yeah, I remember basic training and it's

probably

worse than those prisoners are getting. I don't think basic training has
changed to the point of having a chocolate on your bunk pillow since I

did

it. LOL


I did basic training, too.

-I was not kept in a cell
-I had regular contact with my family by phone and letter
-I was not forced into solitary confinement nude
-I was not assaulted

No chocolate on the pillows, that's for sure but it wasn't GiTMO either.

-Jeff

But you were not a prisoner Jeff. If you had been a bad ***** recruit .....
.



User: "Jeff Welch"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 02:28:44 PM
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

A lot of things.
It's a pretty stupid question when used to justify the unlawful treatment
and indefinite detention without charges of people there, however. We are
the United States of America. We stand for truth, freedom and justice. We
do not measure our behavior as a nation against the behavior of terrorist
animals - we set our own high standard.
Or at least - we used to before you disgusting unAmerican Republican
scumbags took over. Now "we're better than the terrorists" is your low-bar.
-Jeff
.
User: "James"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 02:37:05 PM
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"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?


A lot of things.

It's a pretty stupid question when used to justify the unlawful treatment
and indefinite detention without charges of people there, however. We are
the United States of America. We stand for truth, freedom and justice.

We

do not measure our behavior as a nation against the behavior of terrorist
animals - we set our own high standard.

Or at least - we used to before you disgusting unAmerican Republican
scumbags took over. Now "we're better than the terrorists" is your

low-bar.


-Jeff

It's my understanding that any unlawful treatment has been minor and that
detention till end of conflict is lawful.
We certainly do measure our behavior against other cultures. ALL other
cultures. What is basically accetable to others may not be acceptable to us
and vice versa. If you are talking about the law, that is another matter. If
there is a culture clash in recent events, it's a clash between ourselves
more than with a foreign one.
.
User: "Jeff Welch"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 03:59:15 PM
"James" <kingkong@iglou.com> wrote in message
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It's my understanding that any unlawful treatment has been minor and that
detention till end of conflict is lawful.

Your understanding is incorrect.

We certainly do measure our behavior against other cultures.

No, we do not.
-Jeff
.
User: "James"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 23 Jun 2005 09:47:45 AM
"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"James" <kingkong@iglou.com> wrote in message
news:42b9bddd$1_1@news.iglou.com...

It's my understanding that any unlawful treatment has been minor and

that

detention till end of conflict is lawful.


Your understanding is incorrect.

We certainly do measure our behavior against other cultures.


No, we do not.

-Jeff

I believe you to be mistaken Jeff. How can behavior be measured as good or
bad without other cultures including our own historical cultures to compare
it to?
.



User: "Bob"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 02:33:53 PM
"Jeff Welch" <seattledemocracy@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?


A lot of things.

It's a pretty stupid question when used to justify the unlawful treatment and
indefinite detention without charges of people there, however. We are the
United States of America. We stand for truth, freedom and justice. We do not
measure our behavior as a nation against the behavior of terrorist animals -
we set our own high standard.

Or at least - we used to before you disgusting unAmerican Republican scumbags
took over. Now "we're better than the terrorists" is your low-bar.

When you're in a street fight, you do what
it takes to win.
.
User: "Jeff Welch"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 03:58:30 PM
"Bob" <no@email.address> wrote in message
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When you're in a street fight, you do what it takes to win.

If the U.S. lowers it's standards and abandons its values - the terrorists
win.
-Jeff
.



User: "Salad"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 03:03:21 PM
Native American wrote:

What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

Basic training in the military? Is the US military filled with
volunteer pansies?
.

User: "The Bandit"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 23 Jun 2005 01:51:33 AM
Native American wrote:

What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

Stuck in an elevator with Hillary and Teddy.
.

User: "Roger"

Title: Re: What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? 22 Jun 2005 11:27:11 PM
No trials.
No lawyers.
What is ***** Bush afraid of?
What is ***** Bush hiding?
"Native American" <NativeAmerican@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?

By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM


For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through U.S.
Army basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of Senator
Richard Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at Camp Delta in
Guantanamo are laughable.

One wonders what Durbin and the folks at Amnesty International would say
if their little darlings had been forced to stand at attention in
100-degree heat for two or more hours at Fort Jackson or Camp Lejeune in
full combat gear, with 60 pounds of ammo and equipment, waiting for a
general inspection. "What time did you get up, soldier?" the inspecting
officer invariably asks the first trooper in line. The answer is always
the same. "Reveille, sir." As long as you said that, you didn't have to
admit you and your buddies had been up for 36 hours straight "G I-ing" the
barracks, the company street, your weapons and everything that moved or
stood in the area.

"Drop down and give me 20, 30, 50," the training cadre would demand, and
the shaved head recruit falls to the ground and completes his push-ups --
sometimes to the point of exhaustion for those not in top condition. The
heel of the corporal on your back tends to make the task a bit more
difficult. Gosh, we should have had some of those ACLU lawyers.

Another fine element of training occurs when a drill sergeant's mouth is
so close to yours his shouts spit saliva till it runs down your face. One
flinch brings an order for 30 perfect push-ups or an evening of jogging
around the company area with a rifle held with both hands above one's head
while the miscreant shouts the General Orders.

Definitely too tough for those unfortunate terrorists.

Senator Durbin, whose biography shows he spent the Vietnam War in law
school, knows nothing of an American soldier's training life -- and we are
talking about only those first eight weeks of basic training, not the far
tougher regimen for Ranger, SEAL, Recon or Special Forces.

He says he's appalled the Gitmo terrorists had to sit or stand in stress
positions while under interrogation. What about crawling into and cleaning
out an eight-foot deep grease pit attached to each mess hall. That's a
nice little punishment for arriving late to formation. Or what about a
25-mile march with a full field pack, your weapon and ammo, and only one
canteen of water?

Senator Durbin is deeply worried about the impression that is caused
internationally when a terrorist prisoner complains his "space" has been
invaded by a female interrogator. Oh, dear me, did that female make the
poor prisoner feel badly? An American soldier yearns for such
"intimidation." A recruit has no "space." He or she is Government
property.

From what type of mental illness does Senator Durbin suffer? What country
has Durbin been inhabiting? From what planet does this civilian feather
merchant come? Senator, don't insult the hundreds of thousands of on-duty
servicemen and women and the millions of veterans by your politically
inspired pettifogging complaints.

Perhaps Senator Durbin doesn't understand what it takes to be an American
soldier or Marine. Perhaps he thinks the families of the terrorists should
be thought of before the families of the victims of 9/11 or those of our
fallen warriors. He speaks of Guantanamo as an embarrassment. It is he who
embarrasses those who have served.

http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8339


George H. Wittman, who enlisted in the Army in December 1950
(#RA12312266), is a member of the Committee on the Present Danger and was
the founding chairman of the National Institute for Public Policy.


--
The Democrats, in their desperate search for an alchemist who can turn
Iraq into Vietnam, stumble into one soft cowpie after another.

.


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