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What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo? |
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM
For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through
U.S. Army basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of
Senator Richard Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at
Camp Delta in Guantanamo are laughable.
One wonders what Durbin and the folks at Amnesty International would
say if their little darlings had been forced to stand at attention in
100-degree heat for two or more hours at Fort Jackson or Camp Lejeune
in full combat gear, with 60 pounds of ammo and equipment, waiting for
a general inspection. "What time did you get up, soldier?" the
inspecting officer invariably asks the first trooper in line. The
answer is always the same. "Reveille, sir." As long as you said that,
you didn't have to admit you and your buddies had been up for 36 hours
straight "G I-ing" the barracks, the company street, your weapons and
everything that moved or stood in the area.
"Drop down and give me 20, 30, 50," the training cadre would demand,
and the shaved head recruit falls to the ground and completes his
push-ups -- sometimes to the point of exhaustion for those not in top
condition. The heel of the corporal on your back tends to make the
task a bit more difficult. Gosh, we should have had some of those ACLU
lawyers.
Another fine element of training occurs when a drill sergeant's mouth
is so close to yours his shouts spit saliva till it runs down your
face. One flinch brings an order for 30 perfect push-ups or an evening
of jogging around the company area with a rifle held with both hands
above one's head while the miscreant shouts the General Orders.
Definitely too tough for those unfortunate terrorists.
Senator Durbin, whose biography shows he spent the Vietnam War in law
school, knows nothing of an American soldier's training life -- and we
are talking about only those first eight weeks of basic training, not
the far tougher regimen for Ranger, SEAL, Recon or Special Forces.
He says he's appalled the Gitmo terrorists had to sit or stand in
stress positions while under interrogation. What about crawling into
and cleaning out an eight-foot deep grease pit attached to each mess
hall. That's a nice little punishment for arriving late to formation.
Or what about a 25-mile march with a full field pack, your weapon and
ammo, and only one canteen of water?
Senator Durbin is deeply worried about the impression that is caused
internationally when a terrorist prisoner complains his "space" has
been invaded by a female interrogator. Oh, dear me, did that female
make the poor prisoner feel badly? An American soldier yearns for such
"intimidation." A recruit has no "space." He or she is government
property.
From what type of mental illness does Senator Durbin suffer? What
country has Durbin been inhabiting? From what planet does this
civilian feather merchant come? Senator, don't insult the hundreds of
thousands of on-duty servicemen and women and the millions of veterans
by your politically inspired pettifogging complaints.
Perhaps Senator Durbin doesn't understand what it takes to be an
American soldier or Marine. Perhaps he thinks the families of the
terrorists should be thought of before the families of the victims of
9/11 or those of our fallen warriors. He speaks of Guantanamo as an
embarrassment. It is he who embarrasses those who have served.
-- George H. Wittman, who enlisted in the Army in December 1950
(#RA12312266), is a member of the Committee on the Present Danger and
was the founding chairman of the National Institute for Public Policy.
http://www.spectator.org/dsp_article.asp?art_id=8339
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
"In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was
time to unleash the might and power of the United
States military against the Taliban; in the wake of
9/11 liberals believed it was time to submit a petition."
- Karl Rove
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24 Jun 2005 01:59:02 PM |
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"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
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Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM
For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through
U.S. Army basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of
Senator Richard Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at
Camp Delta in Guantanamo are laughable.
What's laughable is people who don't know what they are talking about acting
like an authority on any subject.
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
Maybe Bush is fearful of being arrested by the Military Authorities in Gitmo
for being a Deserter during the Vietnam War.
One day, the truth will come out.
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25 Jun 2005 12:42:26 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:59:02 GMT, "BUSH SQUASHER" <Rove_Sucks@WH.net>
claims:
"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
news:9qhob1dnm5cv6t1ft6iaqh4tqn5efuea4e@4ax.com...
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM
For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through
U.S. Army basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of
Senator Richard Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at
Camp Delta in Guantanamo are laughable.
What's laughable is people who don't know what they are talking about acting
like an authority on any subject.
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
Maybe Bush is fearful of being arrested by the Military Authorities in Gitmo
for being a Deserter during the Vietnam War.
One day, the truth will come out.
After reading that spew, I doubt very much if truth will ever
come from the left on the subject.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
"In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was
time to unleash the might and power of the United
States military against the Taliban; in the wake of
9/11 liberals believed it was time to submit a petition."
- Karl Rove
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29 Jun 2005 08:33:34 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 18:59:02 GMT, "BUSH SQUASHER" <Rove_Sucks@WH.net>
wrote:
"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
news:9qhob1dnm5cv6t1ft6iaqh4tqn5efuea4e@4ax.com...
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
By George H. Wittman
Published 6/22/2005 12:05:35 AM
For those of us -- and there are millions -- who have gone through
U.S. Army basic training or Marine Corps boot camp the complaints of
Senator Richard Durbin regarding the treatment of the prisoners at
Camp Delta in Guantanamo are laughable.
What's laughable is people who don't know what they are talking about acting
like an authority on any subject.
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Thanks for looking stupid.
Have a nice day.
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29 Jun 2005 08:38:40 PM |
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As viewed from alt.california, Howie Dean wrote:
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Too damn much water around there for Kennedy.
He's never been back to Chappaquiddick either.
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Jafo
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| User: "Howie Dean@liberal losers.com" |
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29 Jun 2005 09:41:04 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:38:40 -0700, Jafo <a@nospam.invalid> wrote:
As viewed from alt.california, Howie Dean wrote:
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Too damn much water around there for Kennedy.
He's never been back to Chappaquiddick either.
True, you really can't blame the rum swilling liberal loser.
One too many ghosts from his past waiting for him at that bridge.
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01 Jul 2005 02:11:12 AM |
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<Howie Dean@liberal losers.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:38:40 -0700, Jafo <a@nospam.invalid> wrote:
As viewed from alt.california, Howie Dean wrote:
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Too damn much water around there for Kennedy.
He's never been back to Chappaquiddick either.
True, you really can't blame the rum swilling liberal loser.
One too many ghosts from his past waiting for him at that bridge.
Actually, I think he's more a scotch swilling liberal loser, but I could be
wrong about the scotch.
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| User: "Howie Dean@liberal losers.com" |
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03 Jul 2005 12:07:55 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 00:11:12 -0700, "The Pervert"
<pervert12@spambad.yahoo.com> wrote:
<Howie Dean@liberal losers.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:38:40 -0700, Jafo <a@nospam.invalid> wrote:
As viewed from alt.california, Howie Dean wrote:
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Too damn much water around there for Kennedy.
He's never been back to Chappaquiddick either.
True, you really can't blame the rum swilling liberal loser.
One too many ghosts from his past waiting for him at that bridge.
Actually, I think he's more a scotch swilling liberal loser, but I could be
wrong about the scotch.
Well, I bet he's still swilling down the hidden hootch his old
man was running many years ago.
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| User: "Ken [NY]" |
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01 Jul 2005 11:18:48 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 02:41:04 GMT, Howie Dean@liberal losers.com
claims:
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:38:40 -0700, Jafo <a@nospam.invalid> wrote:
As viewed from alt.california, Howie Dean wrote:
When has Bush been to Gitmo? Never.
He has no need to be there.
When did Quagmire Kennedy go there?
Too damn much water around there for Kennedy.
He's never been back to Chappaquiddick either.
True, you really can't blame the rum swilling liberal loser.
One too many ghosts from his past waiting for him at that bridge.
Let's ask Kennedy's ex girlfriend what she thinks about him.
How about it, Mary Jo?
Mary Jo: "Glub glub glub".
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
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24 Jun 2005 09:22:01 PM |
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"Ken [NY]" wrote:
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
Giuliani as President.
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http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2003-03-31-then-and-now-usat_x.htm
"Other top officials, including Cheney and Rumsfeld, said the war would
last
"weeks, not months.""
http://www.natcath.com/NCR_Online/archives2/2005b/052705/052705w.php
"More than two years into a war that was supposed to be quick and easy,
and
the justification for which has spun from removing a dictator to
eliminating
weapons of mass destruction to fighting terrorism and, finally, to
planting
democracy that would then spread across the Middle East, Iraq is in chaos."
RayGun sends his lackey to kiss Saddam's *****.
http://www.worldmessenger.20m.com/weapons.html#wms
http://www.bushflash.com/thanks.html
WHY IRAQ?: http://www.angelfire.com/creep/gwbush/remindus.html
http://www.quantumphilosophy.net/files/clips/TimRyan_Medium.mov
http://www.toostupidtobepresident.com/shockwave/chickenhawks.htm
"Bubba got a BJ, BU$H screwed us all!" - Slim
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24 Jun 2005 02:10:01 PM |
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In article <9qhob1dnm5cv6t1ft6iaqh4tqn5efuea4e@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
One wonders what Durbin and the folks at Amnesty International would
say if their little darlings had been forced to stand at attention in
100-degree heat for two or more hours at Fort Jackson or Camp Lejeune
in full combat gear, with 60 pounds of ammo and equipment, waiting for
a general inspection. "What time did you get up, soldier?" the
inspecting officer invariably asks the first trooper in line. The
answer is always the same. "Reveille, sir." As long as you said that,
you didn't have to admit you and your buddies had been up for 36 hours
straight "G I-ing" the barracks, the company street, your weapons and
everything that moved or stood in the area.
Are you saying the military is full of sadistic masochistic creeps?
"That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I
abhor...This plague of civilization ought to be abolished with all
possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the
loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately
I hate them! How vile and despicable seems war to me! I would rather
be hacked to pieces than take part in such abominable business. My
opinion of the human race is high enough that I believe this bogey would
have disappeared long ago, had the sound sense of the people not been
systematically corrupted by commercial and political interests acting
through the schools and the press." - Albert Einstein
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25 Jun 2005 12:47:53 PM |
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On Fri, 24 Jun 2005 19:10:01 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <9qhob1dnm5cv6t1ft6iaqh4tqn5efuea4e@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Another Perspective
What Could Be Worse Than Gitmo?
One wonders what Durbin and the folks at Amnesty International would
say if their little darlings had been forced to stand at attention in
100-degree heat for two or more hours at Fort Jackson or Camp Lejeune
in full combat gear, with 60 pounds of ammo and equipment, waiting for
a general inspection. "What time did you get up, soldier?" the
inspecting officer invariably asks the first trooper in line. The
answer is always the same. "Reveille, sir." As long as you said that,
you didn't have to admit you and your buddies had been up for 36 hours
straight "G I-ing" the barracks, the company street, your weapons and
everything that moved or stood in the area.
Are you saying the military is full of sadistic masochistic creeps?
No, he is saying just the opposite. I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military. I had no air conditioning, the barracks were heated by
wood stoves, and we had to clean and polish where we lived and dined.
"That worst outcrop of herd life, the military system, which I
abhor...This plague of civilization ought to be abolished with all
possible speed. Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the
loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism--how passionately
I hate them! How vile and despicable seems war to me! I would rather
be hacked to pieces than take part in such abominable business. My
opinion of the human race is high enough that I believe this bogey would
have disappeared long ago, had the sound sense of the people not been
systematically corrupted by commercial and political interests acting
through the schools and the press." - Albert Einstein
"we loathe the military"
-Hillary Clinton
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
"In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was
time to unleash the might and power of the United
States military against the Taliban; in the wake of
9/11 liberals believed it was time to submit a petition."
- Karl Rove
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
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| User: "Dwain" |
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25 Jun 2005 06:50:45 PM |
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In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
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25 Jun 2005 07:36:49 PM |
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--
Conservatives see the United States as a great nation involved in a noble
cause of self-defense. Liberals are concerned about what our enemies think
of us, whether every government approves of our actions.
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
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In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
namecalling, personal attack - usual Democrat Poster method of "debate"
[plonk]
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| User: "Ken [NY]" |
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26 Jun 2005 08:53:25 AM |
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
"In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was
time to unleash the might and power of the United
States military against the Taliban; in the wake of
9/11 liberals believed it was time to submit a petition."
- Karl Rove
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
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26 Jun 2005 09:11:09 PM |
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60% feel that way.
Yr have alot of work to do.
I bet yr not up to it.
Keep posting.
"Ken [NY]" <email@BelowThe.Text> wrote in message
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On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
"In the wake of 9/11, conservatives believed it was
time to unleash the might and power of the United
States military against the Taliban; in the wake of
9/11 liberals believed it was time to submit a petition."
- Karl Rove
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
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26 Jun 2005 09:56:10 AM |
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In article <7octb15j0stue64f9g5f55uucsftccvr6k@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
You claim that basic training is worse than prison. That should end any
wondering about how you feel about the military.
As for me, I find war barbaric.
He's five feet two and he's six feet four
He fights with missiles and with spears
He's all of 31 and he's only 17
He's been a soldier for a thousand years
He's a Catholic, a Hindu, an athiest, a Jain,
a Buddhist and a Baptist and a Jew
and he knows he shouldn't kill
and he knows he always will
kill you for me my friend and me for you
And he's fighting for Canada,
he's fighting for France,
he's fighting for the USA,
and he's fighting for the Russians
and he's fighting for Japan,
and he thinks we'll put an end to war this way
And he's fighting for Democracy
and fighting for the Reds
He says it's for the peace of all
He's the one who must decide
who's to live and who's to die
and he never sees the writing on the walls
But without him how would Hitler have
condemned him at Dachau
Without him Caesar would have stood alone
He's the one who gives his body
as a weapon to a war
and without him all this killing can't go on
He's the universal soldier and he
really is to blame
His orders come from far away no more
They come from him, and you, and me
and brothers can't you see
this is not the way we put an end to war.
Buffy Sainte-Marie
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26 Jun 2005 01:06:34 PM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
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In article <7octb15j0stue64f9g5f55uucsftccvr6k@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
You claim that basic training is worse than prison. That should end any
wondering about how you feel about the military.
As for me, I find war barbaric.
Of course it is. And sometimes it's necessary. But you seem of the mind
that if you don't like it, it just shouldn't be. That isn't the way it
works. I may believe that stupid people shouldn't waste my time with
stupid opinions, yet you still have the right to post your stupid opinions.
I don't always get my way.
In your case, you get to have other people do the dirty work for you so that
can continue to express your stupid opinions. You owe an immeasurable debt
to those brave souls who guarantee your privilege to be a coward. But since
you're also oblivious, you don't see that.
But they'll protect you anyway.
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26 Jun 2005 01:26:56 PM |
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The Pervert wrote:
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d286266bbc4f8c098975f@news.sonic.net...
In article <7octb15j0stue64f9g5f55uucsftccvr6k@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
You claim that basic training is worse than prison. That should end any
wondering about how you feel about the military.
As for me, I find war barbaric.
Of course it is. And sometimes it's necessary. But you seem of the mind
that if you don't like it, it just shouldn't be. That isn't the way it
works. I may believe that stupid people shouldn't waste my time with
stupid opinions, yet you still have the right to post your stupid opinions.
I don't always get my way.
The majority of the American people now believe, as they would have had
they been properly informed, that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
Although some wars are necessary, many are not. This one was completely
unnecessary, and tragic.
In your case, you get to have other people do the dirty work for you so that
can continue to express your stupid opinions. You owe an immeasurable debt
to those brave souls who guarantee your privilege to be a coward. But since
you're also oblivious, you don't see that.
But since we all pay taxes to fund this billion dollar per week
boondoggle, why not express reservations. The debt is stacking up
quicker than you think. As far as those who died in Iraq, they didn't
make any of us one bit safer, Perv. Probably less so.
But they'll protect you anyway.
They ought to be guarding the borders then. Not getting blown up for
nothing in Iraq.
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26 Jun 2005 08:00:30 PM |
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"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
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The Pervert wrote:
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d286266bbc4f8c098975f@news.sonic.net...
In article <7octb15j0stue64f9g5f55uucsftccvr6k@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
On Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:50:45 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
In article <fs5rb1t8c10ffuge1dfijb2ebtpj6dfk6r@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
I too went through basic
training in the Army, and I can testify that it was much tougher than
what the terrorists in Club Gitmo are going through at the hands of
our military.
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
You claim that basic training is worse than prison. That should end any
wondering about how you feel about the military.
As for me, I find war barbaric.
Of course it is. And sometimes it's necessary. But you seem of the
mind
that if you don't like it, it just shouldn't be. That isn't the way it
works. I may believe that stupid people shouldn't waste my time with
stupid opinions, yet you still have the right to post your stupid
opinions.
I don't always get my way.
The majority of the American people now believe, as they would have had
they been properly informed, that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
I didn't wait. I thought that from the beginning and so stated.
Although some wars are necessary, many are not. This one was completely
unnecessary, and tragic.
Probably.
In your case, you get to have other people do the dirty work for you so
that
can continue to express your stupid opinions. You owe an immeasurable
debt
to those brave souls who guarantee your privilege to be a coward. But
since
you're also oblivious, you don't see that.
But since we all pay taxes to fund this billion dollar per week
boondoggle, why not express reservations.
Express away. Have I ever said people shouldn't, even if they express
stupid, uninformed opinions?
The debt is stacking up quicker than you think.
So far, you've not be correct as to what you perceived about what I think.
As far as those who died in Iraq, they didn't make any of us one bit
safer, Perv. Probably less so.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Time will tell. They said the same thing about
Vietnam. (My war.) Some beilieve that war hastened the fall of the Soviet
Union.
But they'll protect you anyway.
They ought to be guarding the borders then. Not getting blown up for
nothing in Iraq.
I agree that I'd prefer them on the border although presently, that's not
legal.
I am not sure that they are "getting blown up for nothing." Neither are
you, really, and I sure as hell would express it with a helluva lot more
respect for the troops doing the fighting.
The difference is, I'd go back if the Pentagon would let me. (Yes, I've
tried.). Have you ever been in the military at all?
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26 Jun 2005 10:06:18 PM |
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The Pervert wrote:
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
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The Pervert wrote:
<SNIP>
Of course it is. And sometimes it's necessary. But you seem of the mind
that if you don't like it, it just shouldn't be. That isn't the way it
works. I may believe that stupid people shouldn't waste my time with
stupid opinions, yet you still have the right to post your stupid opinions.
I don't always get my way.
The majority of the American people now believe, as they would have had
they been properly informed, that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
I didn't wait. I thought that from the beginning and so stated.
So you say. Why do you always post in support of the war?
Although some wars are necessary, many are not. This one was completely
unnecessary, and tragic.
Probably.
Don't hedge. What do you really think?
In your case, you get to have other people do the dirty work for you so that
can continue to express your stupid opinions. You owe an immeasurable debt
to those brave souls who guarantee your privilege to be a coward. But since
you're also oblivious, you don't see that.
But since we all pay taxes to fund this billion dollar per week
boondoggle, why not express reservations.
Express away. Have I ever said people shouldn't, even if they express
stupid, uninformed opinions?
By using ad homs like you are, you create a hostile atmosphere to
expression. There is nothing stupid or uniformed about questioning the
wisdom or efficacy of this conflict.
The debt is stacking up quicker than you think.
So far, you've not be correct as to what you perceived about what I think.
Tell the group what you actually think then. Is $6 billion/month money
well spent? Are the 1730+ dead and 20,000+ greivously wounded lives
well spent? Here is your chance to vent.
As far as those who died in Iraq, they didn't make any of us one bit safer, Perv.
Probably less so.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Time will tell. They said the same thing about
Vietnam. (My war.) Some beilieve that war hastened the fall of the Soviet
Union.
Some believe that if we had not gotten out of Vietnam when we did, it
would have caused the collapse of the US. Time has spoken its verdict
on Vietnam. It was a mistake.
But they'll protect you anyway.
They ought to be guarding the borders then. Not getting blown up for
nothing in Iraq.
I agree that I'd prefer them on the border although presently, that's not
legal.
And invading a sovereign nation for no justifiable reason is much
better? That legality argument is thin. If Congress passed a law to
use troops to defend our borders pursuant to the WOT, no one would
argue. Repeat, no one.
I am not sure that they are "getting blown up for nothing." Neither are
you, really, and I sure as hell would express it with a helluva lot more
respect for the troops doing the fighting.
You're just as wrong about what's in my head as you claim I am about
yours. Getting blown up for a stretch of road that will have more IEDs
on it tommorrow is getting blown up for nothing IOW. How about yours?
The difference is, I'd go back if the Pentagon would let me. (Yes, I've
tried.). Have you ever been in the military at all?
Yes. '83-'86. That is irrelevant, however, as is your offer to return.
There is no compulsory service in America tied to the right to
political expression, and you do your argument a disservice to imply it.
3/5 of the American people now believe that the war was a mistake.
There is nothing to be gained by staying in Iraq. Here is an article
you ought to read, from a source you probably respect.
http://amconmag.com/2005_01_17/cover.html
;D
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27 Jun 2005 03:34:28 AM |
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"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
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The Pervert wrote:
"Defendario" <Defendario@netscape.com> wrote in message
news:3i8aklFk6ev1U1@individual.net...
The Pervert wrote:
<SNIP>
Of course it is. And sometimes it's necessary. But you seem of the
mind
that if you don't like it, it just shouldn't be. That isn't the way it
works. I may believe that stupid people shouldn't waste my time with
stupid opinions, yet you still have the right to post your stupid
opinions.
I don't always get my way.
The majority of the American people now believe, as they would have had
they been properly informed, that the invasion of Iraq was a mistake.
I didn't wait. I thought that from the beginning and so stated.
So you say. Why do you always post in support of the war?
I don't. Care to quote where I do?: Go ahead. Take your time. You'll
fail like everybody else when trhey say stupid things about what they
*think* I've written.
Although some wars are necessary, many are not. This one was completely
unnecessary, and tragic.
Probably.
Don't hedge. What do you really think?
I did. You don't get to tell me what I have to do or say. Trust me, you
aren't smart enough.
In your case, you get to have other people do the dirty work for you so
that
can continue to express your stupid opinions. You owe an immeasurable
debt
to those brave souls who guarantee your privilege to be a coward. But
since
you're also oblivious, you don't see that.
But since we all pay taxes to fund this billion dollar per week
boondoggle, why not express reservations.
Express away. Have I ever said people shouldn't, even if they express
stupid, uninformed opinions?
By using ad homs like you are, you create a hostile atmosphere to
expression.
I'll let you know when I start to give a rat's ***** what stupid people think
of me or what I write.
There is nothing stupid or uniformed about questioning the
wisdom or efficacy of this conflict.
I never said there was. If you can recall a few paragraphs ago, I told you
I thought the war was ill-advised from the start.
I do believe that much of the dissent (especially in this forum) is from
stupid people who do nothing *but* dissent, about just about everything
since they don't actually accomplish anything in their own empty lives, and
wallow in being able to belittle a Republican president. Come up with
intelligent dissent and I'll not only listen, but applaud.
The debt is stacking up quicker than you think.
So far, you've not be correct as to what you perceived about what I
think.
Tell the group what you actually think then.
I always do. Okay, so it doesn't meet with your approval. I'll just have
to live with that.
And don't EVER tell me what to do. As noted, you're not smart enough or big
enough to do that.
Is $6 billion/month money well spent?
Probably not.
Are the 1730+ dead and 20,000+ greivously wounded lives
well spent? Here is your chance to vent.
No, it's your chance to try and get me to say what you want to hear.
Remember, you're not smart enough to accomplish that. Maybe you're not
smart enough to accomplish much of anything, but that too, is not my
problem.
As to your loaded and stupid question, you have no idea what it is to lose
people in combat. You don't know what it is to send people out on a mission
and have half of them come back alive after their plane was brought down my
a missile. ALL casualties are tragic. ALL wounds are horrific. You don't
know a goddamned thing that you're talking about so you are cordially
invited to go ***** yourself until such time as you do.
Vented enough for you, *****?
As far as those who died in Iraq, they didn't make any of us one bit
safer, Perv.
Probably less so.
Perhaps. Perhaps not. Time will tell. They said the same thing about
Vietnam. (My war.) Some beilieve that war hastened the fall of the
Soviet
Union.
Some believe that if we had not gotten out of Vietnam when we did, it
would have caused the collapse of the US. Time has spoken its verdict
on Vietnam. It was a mistake.
And who was it who declared it thus? You? And who is this "time" person?
Do you have any idea of the long term political ramifications of Vietnam?
Do you have any idea about anything? No.
But they'll protect you anyway.
They ought to be guarding the borders then. Not getting blown up for
nothing in Iraq.
I agree that I'd prefer them on the border although presently, that's
not
legal.
And invading a sovereign nation for no justifiable reason is much
better? That legality argument is thin. If Congress passed a law to
use troops to defend our borders pursuant to the WOT, no one would
argue. Repeat, no one.
Must you be a compete idiot ALL the time? People in here (alt.california)
argue for illegals doing whatever the hell they please all the time. But
according to you, "If Congress passed a law to
use troops to defend our borders pursuant to the WOT, no one would
argue. Repeat, no one."
Ah, so butch. But also so stupid.
I am not sure that they are "getting blown up for nothing." Neither are
you, really, and I sure as hell would express it with a helluva lot more
respect for the troops doing the fighting.
You're just as wrong about what's in my head as you claim I am about
yours. Getting blown up for a stretch of road that will have more IEDs
on it tommorrow is getting blown up for nothing IOW. How about yours?
The difference is, I'd go back if the Pentagon would let me. (Yes, I've
tried.). Have you ever been in the military at all?
Yes. '83-'86.
You missed all the fun. (sarcasm off) But you do get points for serving.
The three years suggests Army enlisted guy.
That is irrelevant, however, as is your offer to return.
Oh really?
You have just completely confirmed that you are beyond contempt... not to
mention offensive and disgusting.
There is no compulsory service in America tied to the right to
political expression, and you do your argument a disservice to imply it.
I didn't say or imply any such thing, nor do I give a rat's ***** what you
think of my argument. I did suggest that having a clue what the hell you
were talking about might give you at least some measure of credibility. You
don't, so you don't.
I stand by that.
3/5 of the American people now believe that the war was a mistake.
That has always been my position, and was so stated long ago. Specifically,
from the beginning of the operation.
There is nothing to be gained by staying in Iraq.
On that I think you are completely wrong... as you are completely wrong so
often and will continue to be. Simply leaving would be a huge mistake.
Even Sen. Kerry has said that.
Here is an article you ought to read, from a source you probably respect.
http://amconmag.com/2005_01_17/cover.html
Why would I respect that source? When did I become a down-the-line
conservative? Oh, that's right! Another stupid assumption you made without
any foundation. I am what ideologues and small minded people like yourself
have the most difficulty pigeonholing and dealing with.
I am a free thinker.
But I read the article anyway. I disagree with some of it.
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27 Jun 2005 11:27:44 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:56:10 GMT, Dwain <dwain@nothereanymore.org>
claims:
No wonder then that you are a brainwashed fascist bigot.
That should end any wondering about how you and others feel
about the troops fighing for our country. Just like Durbin.
You claim that basic training is worse than prison. That should end any
wondering about how you feel about the military.
As for me, I find war barbaric.
You make my point. American troops are fighting terrorism in
barbaric 130 degee heat while captured terrorists at Club Gitmo lounge
around being fed and clothed by US soldiers, while complaining about
the exact temperature they want their air conditioning to be set at.
Of course war is hell, and the truth is hell to leftists.
Cordially,
Ken (NY)
email: http://www.geocities.com/bluesguy68/email.htm
spammers can send mail to
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| User: "Dwain" |
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29 Jun 2005 08:55:50 AM |
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In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
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| User: "bj" |
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29 Jun 2005 02:46:34 PM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
The quote comes from William Tecumseh Sherman a man who spent
four years of his life trying to get Democrats to pull their heads from
their behinds.
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| User: "Dwain" |
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29 Jun 2005 05:18:00 PM |
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In article <d9d17$42c2fabd$40b83cf7$32654@COMTECK.COM>,
hollabaugh@comteck.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
The quote comes from William Tecumseh Sherman a man who spent
four years of his life trying to get Democrats to pull their heads from
their behinds.
Is this what you meant?
In 1875 Sherman published his two-volume memoirs, a minor classic,
marked by a forceful, lucid style, and the strong opinions for which
Sherman has become famous. Sherman retired from the army in 1884, and
lived most of the rest of his life in (The largest city in New York
State and in the United States; located in southeastern New York at the
mouth of the Hudson river; a major financial and cultural center) New
York City. He was devoted to the theatre and was much in demand as a
colorful speaker at dinners and banquets. He was proposed by some (A
member of the Democratic Party) Democrats as a possible (Click link for
more info and facts about presidential) presidential candidate for the
election of 1884. He declined as emphatically as possible, saying, "If
nominated I will not run; if elected I will not serve." Such a
categorical rejection of a candidacy is now referred to as a "Sherman
Statement."
But I like the following (attributed to Ambrose Bierce???)
"If nominated I will run to Mexico; if elected I will fight
extradition."
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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01 Jul 2005 02:09:00 AM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2cbe79dd4cd6bb989763@news.sonic.net...
In article <d9d17$42c2fabd$40b83cf7$32654@COMTECK.COM>,
hollabaugh@comteck.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
The quote comes from William Tecumseh Sherman a man who spent
four years of his life trying to get Democrats to pull their heads from
their behinds.
Is this what you meant?
In 1875 Sherman published his two-volume memoirs, a minor classic,
marked by a forceful, lucid style, and the strong opinions for which
Sherman has become famous. Sherman retired from the army in 1884, and
lived most of the rest of his life in (The largest city in New York
State and in the United States; located in southeastern New York at the
mouth of the Hudson river; a major financial and cultural center) New
York City. He was devoted to the theatre and was much in demand as a
colorful speaker at dinners and banquets. He was proposed by some (A
member of the Democratic Party) Democrats as a possible (Click link for
more info and facts about presidential) presidential candidate for the
election of 1884. He declined as emphatically as possible, saying, "If
nominated I will not run; if elected I will not serve." Such a
categorical rejection of a candidacy is now referred to as a "Sherman
Statement."
But I like the following (attributed to Ambrose Bierce???)
"If nominated I will run to Mexico; if elected I will fight
extradition."
Totally different quote. But Bierce has always been a true wit.
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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29 Jun 2005 12:15:28 PM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
With your childish word games, I suppose you would agree that you'll never
expect to be taken seriously or treated like an adult or any other kind of
real person.
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| User: "Dwain" |
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29 Jun 2005 01:38:48 PM |
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In article <a8ednY75vP9KS1_fRVn-2Q@comcast.com>, pervert12
@spambad.yahoo.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
With your childish word games,
Is that you, Dave Simpson?
vI suppose you would agree that you'll never
expect to be taken seriously or treated like an adult or any other kind of
real person.
Funny, you took the time to take me seriously.
Too bad you can't argue the statement, "If war is hell, then Bush is the
Great Satan."
Go ahead, refute it or rebut it.
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| User: "The Pervert" |
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30 Jun 2005 02:05:50 PM |
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"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c8b1de3353a59989762@news.sonic.net...
In article <a8ednY75vP9KS1_fRVn-2Q@comcast.com>, pervert12
@spambad.yahoo.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
With your childish word games,
Is that you, Dave Simpson?
vI suppose you would agree that you'll never
expect to be taken seriously or treated like an adult or any other kind
of
real person.
Funny, you took the time to take me seriously.
No, I took time to ridicule you. Big difference.
Too bad you can't argue the statement, "If war is hell, then Bush is the
Great Satan."
Go ahead, refute it or rebut it.
You're asking for a logical conclusion from illogical premises. First off,
you'd have to have agreement on the existence of hell and exactly what hell
is. You'd also have to have some agreement as to what constituted "The
Great Satan." Since that's merely a silly ***** rhetoric, it, like
yourself, is relatively worthless in the real world. Thus, since your
statement is silly and have no relevance to the real world, it is not worth
taking seriously, and you, trying to claim the ridiculous as valid, look
stupid and are not worth taking seriously. The real world operates from a
position of, naturally, that which is real and not just empty words. When
you're young (or a stupid adult with no valid position), you resort to silly
phrases in an attempt to sound significant and/or profound. When you grow
up, you deal with what really is.
That being said, had you said something like "I think entering this war was
a mistake on the part of Mr. Bush because..." you would have sounded like a
non-idiot.
By the way, I think entering this war was a huge mistake on the part of Mr.
Bush and executed poorly by Mr. Rumsfeld because I think the reasons for the
war were flimsy at best, they miscalculated the extent of the opposition,
they failed to understand the collective Arab mindset, and because they
failed to sell the war properly to the American people or to world opinion.
Thus, the US appeared arrogant. At the same time, it would be a disaster
fro the US to simply pull out and leave simply because some idiots in this
country wallow in their anti-Republican sentiment and rhetoric and it would
have long term negative consequences for US foreign policy, far and away
worse that the negative consequences of prosecuting the war in the first
place.
See, dipshit? Argue rationally like an adult and run the risk of being
treated as if you had at least one functioning brain cell. (You don't have
to worry about that.)
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| User: "Dwain" |
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30 Jun 2005 04:27:45 PM |
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Thanks for writing, Pervert.
I did not start the thread that "war is hell." As far as logic goes, I
will let the readers define "Hell" and the "Great Satan" for themselves,
but I would say that if war is hell, then, logically, those who start
them are working for Satan. Can you understand that, Pervert?
I didn't need to start a post with "I think entering this war was
a mistake on the part of Mr. Bush because..." I have done that many
times.
You don't write the rules for argument or discussion. You don't have to
respond to my posts. I find it funny that as a "Pervert" you think I
need to argue rationally. I will when I feel like it, other times I just
like to pull chains and light short fuses with people like you :)
Dwain
P.S. I appreciate your paragraph starting with "By the way, I think
entering this war was a huge mistake on the part of Mr. Bush and
executed poorly by Mr. Rumsfeld..." Thanks. See below for rebuttal.
P.S. This thread is "What could be worse than Gitmo?" How about being
locked in a small room with some of the usenet kooks on the loose out
there?
In article <AJydnVWSSKa331nfRVn-sg@comcast.com>, pervert12
@spambad.yahoo.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c8b1de3353a59989762@news.sonic.net...
In article <a8ednY75vP9KS1_fRVn-2Q@comcast.com>, pervert12
@spambad.yahoo.com says...
"Dwain" <dwain@nothereanymore.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1d2c48c47923d62a989761@news.sonic.net...
In article <o0a0c11r6rc7f5eb7ubars0cd6a9p469mj@4ax.com>,
email@BelowThe.Text says...
Of course war is hell
If war is hell, then I suppose you would agree that Bush is the Great
Satan.
With your childish word games,
Is that you, Dave Simpson?
vI suppose you would agree that you'll never
expect to be taken seriously or treated like an adult or any other kind
of
real person.
Funny, you took the time to take me seriously.
No, I took time to ridicule you. Big difference.
Too bad you can't argue the statement, "If war is hell, then Bush is the
Great Satan."
Go ahead, refute it or rebut it.
You're asking for a logical conclusion from illogical premises. First off,
you'd have to have agreement on the existence of hell and exactly what hell
is. You'd also have to have some agreement as to what constituted "The
Great Satan." Since that's merely a silly ***** rhetoric, it, like
yourself, is relatively worthless in the real world. Thus, since your
statement is silly and have no relevance to the real world, it is not worth
taking seriously, and you, trying to claim the ridiculous as valid, look
stupid and are not worth taking seriously. The real world operates from a
position of, naturally, that which is real and not just empty words. When
you're young (or a stupid adult with no valid position), you resort to silly
phrases in an attempt to sound significant and/or profound. When you grow
up, you deal with what really is.
That being said, had you said something like "I think entering this war was
a mistake on the part of Mr. Bush because..." you would have sounded like a
non-idiot.
By the way, I think entering this war was a huge mistake on the part of Mr.
Bush and executed poorly by Mr. Rumsfeld because I think the reasons for the
war were flimsy at best, they miscalculated the extent of the opposition,
they failed to understand the collective Arab mindset, and because they
failed to sell the war properly to the American people or to world opinion.
Thus, the US appeared arrogant. At the same time, it would be a disaster
fro the US to simply pull out and leave simply because some idiots in this
country wallow in their anti-Republican sentiment and rhetoric and it would
have long term negative consequences for US foreign policy, far and away
worse that the negative consequences of prosecuting the war in the first
place.
Yet the war is already lost. It is a matter of time before the Iraqis
themselves have to form a real goverment. What has to happen is to get
all parties set down at the table and negotiate an agreement.
The U.S. continuing it's occupancy is the CAUSE of the insurgency. Only
when we leave will the killing end. Let's get used to that truth, just
as we finally had to in Vietnam.
Bush has no "exit strategy." He is going to "stay the course" until
thousands more U.S. troops are killed. This is a stupid and insane
policy. Arrogance is just the tip of the iceberg. Bush is looking more
and more like Caligula every day.
See, dipshit? Argue rationally like an adult and run the risk of being
treated as if you had at least one functioning brain cell. (You don't have
to worry about that.)
Hey, I have TWO functioning brain cells.
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