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"Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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29 Aug 2007 07:47:30 AM |
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What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith, and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats, today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat), World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush, EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history. As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage. Indeed, Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation? Well, look at the evidence. They support communist
Cuba. They support socialist Islamic countries. They defy Kennedy's
memory to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
They support trade unions (socialistic) in this country. They defy
JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious (as every
communist country has done). And, their greatest enemy in this
country seems to be the military. And, now, Hilary is pushing her
universal health care system, again. It seems to me that the current
foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism (which they
would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Cary Kittrell" |
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| Title: Re: What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
29 Aug 2007 11:51:54 AM |
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In article <1188391650.182008.71740@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> writes:
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
May we assume, then, that you will be voting Democratic from
here on out?
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
A short time before he got us into Viet Nam -- and we all know
how well THAT went in terms of our disseminating our "revolutionary beliefs".
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if you can't see the difference in standing up to the Soviets --
not Cuba, but the Soviets -- the difference between that, and the
sad picture of the most powerful nation on the planet making
the lives of those living on a tiny island miserable, all in
the name of an ideological war whose time has passed (and done
primarily to woo the valuable swing votes held by the exile community
in south Florida) -- if you can't see that quite large difference,
I'm not sure I can help you with this one.
Who do you think suffers under the embargo? Fidel? Raul?
The average poor Cuban?
What would Jesus do?
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith,
And what, exactly, makes you think that the average Democratic
politician is anti-Christian?
Examples, please:
and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats,
....not to mention a groups of Republicans whose number seems to
increase daily...
today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Is the average Republcan so stupid that he cannot perceive the
difference between World War II and Iraq?
I really don't think so. Maybe it's just you?
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat),
Yep. Probably the most pointless and vain waste of lives, primarily
European, in the last five centuries.
The only thing Wilson did right was to avoid getting into
it for as long as he did.
World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
We "began" the war in Korea?
We "began" the war in Vietnam?
We "began" the wars in the Balkans, and in Africa?
You might want to do a bit of reading, that's my suggestion.
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush,
and Reagan.
And Bush again.
Gee, that's quite a few "exceptions", isn't it?
EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history.
And thank Bast for that, eh?
As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language
What "anti-religious language"? Examples, if you please.
Make that "a number of exmaples":
and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage.
Are you saying that Democrats are no longer the war-mongers they once
were?
Well then, good for them, I say.
Indeed Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
Never a conspiracy theory you won't buy into?
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation? Well, look at the evidence. They support communist
Cuba. They support socialist Islamic countries.
Specifics. Which ones, and how:
They defy Kennedy's
memory
....and Reagan's...
to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
They support trade unions (socialistic) in this country.
They defy
JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious (as every
communist country has done).
Examples:
And, their greatest enemy in this
country seems to be the military.
You mean the military in which a large number of them
agree about the current conflict?
And, now, Hilary is pushing her
universal health care system, again.
And God knows, taking care of the poor is an outrage
to the teachings of Jesus.
It seems to me that the current
foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism
Here's a news flash, Senator Joe: there IS no worldwide
communism.
And in fact, history shows that there never was.
You really do need a new whipping boy. I hear that the
government is covering up endless free energy. Look into it, eh?
(which they
would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
And which "communist forum" do you have in mind?
Now, may we expect a similar rundown on the difference
today's run-up-an-unprecedented-deficit, global cowboy-advernturing
Republicans and their financially conservative, isolationist
forbearers?
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
30 Aug 2007 07:13:32 AM |
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On Aug 29, 11:51 am, (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
In article <1188391650.182008.71...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com> Wide Eyed in Wonder <kand...@hotmail.com> writes:
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
May we assume, then, that you will be voting Democratic from
here on out?
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
A short time before he got us into Viet Nam -- and we all know
how well THAT went in terms of our disseminating our "revolutionary beliefs".
So, abandoning JFK...as I said.
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if you can't see the difference in standing up to the Soviets --
not Cuba, but the Soviets -- the difference between that, and the
sad picture of the most powerful nation on the planet making
the lives of those living on a tiny island miserable, all in
the name of an ideological war whose time has passed (and done
primarily to woo the valuable swing votes held by the exile community
in south Florida) -- if you can't see that quite large difference,
I'm not sure I can help you with this one.
Who do you think suffers under the embargo? Fidel? Raul?
The average poor Cuban?
What would Jesus do?
Thus, you want to stand up against Russian communists...right? You
supported Kennedy in affirming the cold war...right?
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith,
And what, exactly, makes you think that the average Democratic
politician is anti-Christian?
Examples, please:
I'll get back to the post portion you ignored, instead. Here, we have
a Democrat calling his enemy unholy, asking Americans to pray for
religious revival, and asking for prayer for the troops in a war
against an enemy that had not yet attacked us. Did you support this
Bush-like speech of FDR?
and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats,
...not to mention a groups of Republicans whose number seems to
increase daily...
today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Is the average Republcan so stupid that he cannot perceive the
difference between World War II and Iraq?
I really don't think so. Maybe it's just you?
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat),
Yep. Probably the most pointless and vain waste of lives, primarily
European, in the last five centuries.
Thus, you abandon Wilson.
The only thing Wilson did right was to avoid getting into
it for as long as he did.
World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
We "began" the war in Korea?
We "began" the war in Vietnam?
We "began" the wars in the Balkans, and in Africa?
You might want to do a bit of reading, that's my suggestion.
Aside from the fact that you ignore FDR in the list above (that's
ok..you reject him above), All of those examples of US involvement in
those wars began with the choice of a Democrat President to send US
troops there.
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush,
and Reagan.
And Bush again.
Gee, that's quite a few "exceptions", isn't it?
EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history.
And thank Bast for that, eh?
As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language
What "anti-religious language"? Examples, if you please.
Make that "a number of exmaples":
and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage.
Are you saying that Democrats are no longer the war-mongers they once
were?
Well then, good for them, I say.
So, you admit to abandoning Democrat heritage and history.
Indeed Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
Never a conspiracy theory you won't buy into?
What is unproven about this. AFL-CIO is almost the biggest (if not
THE biggest) contributer to Democrats), and it is a confirmed fact
that the mafia was behind Robert Kennedy's death.
You prove my point in the above responses, as you confirm that you (as
a Democrat) have indeed abandoned your history and heritage as a party
yet support socialist governments worldwide. Socialism has hijacked
the Democrat party.
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Razzle Fratz" |
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29 Aug 2007 09:58:25 AM |
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So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are using
it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188391650.182008.71740@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith, and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats, today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat), World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush, EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history. As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage. Indeed, Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation? Well, look at the evidence. They support communist
Cuba. They support socialist Islamic countries. They defy Kennedy's
memory to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
They support trade unions (socialistic) in this country. They defy
JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious (as every
communist country has done). And, their greatest enemy in this
country seems to be the military. And, now, Hilary is pushing her
universal health care system, again. It seems to me that the current
foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism (which they
would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "MACK DADDY" |
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| Title: Re: What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
30 Aug 2007 01:13:41 AM |
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On Aug 29, 7:58 am, "Razzle Fratz" <razzlefr...@papernapkin.net>
wrote:
So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are using
it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kand...@hotmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1188391650.182008.71740@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith, and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats, today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat), World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush, EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history. As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage. Indeed, Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation? Well, look at the evidence. They support communist
Cuba. They support socialist Islamic countries. They defy Kennedy's
memory to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
They support trade unions (socialistic) in this country. They defy
JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious (as every
communist country has done). And, their greatest enemy in this
country seems to be the military. And, now, Hilary is pushing her
universal health care system, again. It seems to me that the current
foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism (which they
would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com- Hide quoted text -
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I bet you Republitards can't name one thing the Democrats did that
destroyed family values. I can name several that the Republitards did!
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| User: "ZerkonX" |
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| Title: Re: What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
30 Aug 2007 06:20:09 AM |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:58:25 -0400, Razzle Fratz wrote:
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
I think 'family values' is a political marketing term, nothing else.
You could prove me wrong here by defining not what YOU mean by the use of
this term but what EVERYONE who uses this term means? I, myself, can not
be so presumptuous as to assign what 'values' each family might or must
consider important.
However, there are tangibles to what I think more important which is how
families are valued. I will mention two here:
The first is the need for two incomes, or to be more direct, the necessity
for both parents to work, or to be even more to the point, the rise of
what is termed "latch-key children".
Maybe you are old enough to know how recent this is. Maybe you do not see
this as a pivotal destructive event in American culture, I do. This
issue has never been addressed by either party. It is now just taken for
granted as 'the way things are' as if this is 'the way things must be'.
I can think of no other element that has eroded the quality of family life
for most Americans.
The second is the near obliteration of family businesses, including farms.
Political tokenism aside, nothing has been done by either party to help
protect this part of the American economy as has been done and is being
given to banks, automobile manufactures and recently the largest
financial institutions on Wall Street, if not Wall Street itself.
It seems this 'free market' works well as long as there is a socialist
safety net!
Over all, taking a position along traditional party lines is becoming
archaic. You and anyone else who is clinging to the illusion of any
essential difference between the two parties are part of a ever shrinking
minority. It's understandable given the media enforced context and the
ordered approach this affords but, at the heart of the most important
matters, it is in error.
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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30 Aug 2007 10:20:31 AM |
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ZerkonX <ZERKON@zerkonx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 10:58:25 -0400, Razzle Fratz wrote:
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
I think 'family values' is a political marketing term, nothing else.
I agree. To the extent that it means something it does NOT mean
"valuing the family and all family relationships".
However, there are tangibles to what I think more important which is how
families are valued. I will mention two here:
The first is the need for two incomes, or to be more direct, the necessity
for both parents to work, or to be even more to the point, the rise of
what is termed "latch-key children".
While I think that latch-key children are a problem, I think most
people also have considerable misconceptions about past families.
In the 19th century and even more so earlier when life expectancies
were much shorter, the odds that a child would be raised by two
parents all the way to adulthood wasn't especially great. And due to
much longer workdays, a working parent would often not be around much
for the kids. While wives working was relatively rare, their
household duties were time consuming, and they did not necessarily
spend much time on child care. And on farms, they actually would be
involved in the farm work. Kids once they reached a certain age
weren't much supervised. I think it was as early as 8 years old that
(president) Ulysses Grant traveled 50-75 miles on his own to visit
relatives, and might go 2-3 days without direct adult supervision.
And when children worked 12-16 hour days in a factory, they probably
had less family interaction than latchkey kids.
On the other hand, extended families living together weren't all that
uncommon, and live-in servants/nannies were often hired by people
without such extended families.
Maybe you are old enough to know how recent this is. Maybe you do not see
this as a pivotal destructive event in American culture, I do. This
issue has never been addressed by either party. It is now just taken for
granted as 'the way things are' as if this is 'the way things must be'.
I can think of no other element that has eroded the quality of family life
for most Americans.
I think that there have always been some subcultures that placed great
importance on "family life" as a central value of more importance than
the individual, and others which place more importance on
"individualism"/"independence"/"freedom" which in general is a value
that contradicts "family life". Within the one kind, "family life"
remains reasonably good. Within the other, it remains of little
importance. I don't think that the former culture is shrinking, but
because it is less "interesting" it gets relatively little attention
in popular culture.
More importantly, the mobility of modern society makes it easier and
indeed common for kids to move far enough away from home in adulthood
that their everyday ties to the extended family are minimal. That
provides a lack of resilience to the nuclear family structure, and it
means that for many parents, parenting truly ends when their kids
become adults. By contrast, 100 years ago, it wasn't uncommon for at
least one of the several kids to remain unmarried and living at home
until both parents had died.
Finally, because it is increasingly common for people to have no kids,
one kid, or two kids, the percentage of their lifespan spent actively
parenting becomes smaller and smaller, and thus the importance of
"family" (as something more than the spousal pair-bond) may indeed be
minimal.
The second is the near obliteration of family businesses, including farms.
Political tokenism aside, nothing has been done by either party to help
protect this part of the American economy as has been done and is being
given to banks, automobile manufactures and recently the largest
financial institutions on Wall Street, if not Wall Street itself.
It seems this 'free market' works well as long as there is a socialist
safety net!
I am not sure that a lack of "protection" is the problem. The problem
is that the enormous increase in individual freedom and opportunity,
and the much smaller number of offspring in the typical family, means
that it is much less common that any of the kids will have the
slightest interest in continuing the "family business" as opposed to
doing their own thing.
Over all, taking a position along traditional party lines is becoming
archaic. You and anyone else who is clinging to the illusion of any
essential difference between the two parties are part of a ever shrinking
minority.
Oh, there is clearly several essential differences between the two
parties. But the fact that Americans have chosen divided government
for most of the last several decades, coupled with the complexity of
issues, has led to a lot of compromising in order to get the business
of government done. For the most part, I think Americans want that
compromising to happen.
lojbab
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29 Aug 2007 12:24:48 PM |
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On Wed, 29 Aug 2007, Razzle Fratz wrote:
So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are using
it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
I'll tell a certain republican Senator from Idaho that you agree with his
stands on family values.
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| User: "kT" |
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29 Aug 2007 10:04:58 AM |
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Razzle Fratz wrote:
So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are
using it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
Family values are far more important than, ethics, law, the constitution
and a financially solvent national treasury. It's even more important
than a million dead innocent Iraqis dead from American genocide for oil.
American family values - UBER ALLES! Or is that uber Allah.
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| User: "Wide Eyed in Wonder" |
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| Title: Re: What Democrat President Agrees with Current Democrats? |
30 Aug 2007 07:00:38 AM |
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On Aug 29, 10:04 am, kT <cos...@lifeform.org> wrote:
Razzle Fratz wrote:
So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are
using it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
Family values are far more important than, ethics, law, the constitution
and a financially solvent national treasury. It's even more important
than a million dead innocent Iraqis dead from American genocide for oil.
American family values - UBER ALLES! Or is that uber Allah.
Do you REALLY want to talk about how many millions are dead because of
the liberal value of "choice?"
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "robw" |
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29 Aug 2007 10:25:29 AM |
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You have more use for a Senator in a public restroom???
"Razzle Fratz" <razzlefratz@papernapkin.net> wrote in message
news:kQfBi.418848$wG2.322175@newsfe17.lga...
So true!
The Looney Left Liberals have taken over the Democratic Party and are
using
it as their tool to destroy our nation and our freedoms.
Years ago, I was a Democrat but ever since they started destroying basic
family values I have no use for them.
"Wide Eyed in Wonder" <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1188391650.182008.71740@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments. The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party, what about
FDR?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion in which he
asked Americans to ...
"them--help us, Almighty God, to rededicate ourselves in renewed faith
in Thee in this hour of great sacrifice."
and
"And, O Lord, give us faith. Give us faith in Thee..."
and further to
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY, asked leads Americans in
a prayer for revival of religious faith, and prays for the success of
troops in a war with an enemy that had not yet attacked us (only Japan
had). I guess all the anti-war rhetoric of the Democrats, today,
cannot be founded in FDR.
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat), World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush, EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President. Like I said, the
current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history. As we see with JFK, above, the anti-religious
language and pro-communist language isn't found in their Kennedy
history and heritage. Indeed, Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation? Well, look at the evidence. They support communist
Cuba. They support socialist Islamic countries. They defy Kennedy's
memory to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
They support trade unions (socialistic) in this country. They defy
JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious (as every
communist country has done). And, their greatest enemy in this
country seems to be the military. And, now, Hilary is pushing her
universal health care system, again. It seems to me that the current
foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism (which they
would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
Kenneth Clifton
christiansuperhero.com
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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29 Aug 2007 04:08:06 PM |
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Wide Eyed in Wonder <kands00@hotmail.com> wrote:
Further evidence that Democrats of the day are without Democrat
heritage or foundation, I went on a quest to find the Democrat
foundation of current day Democrats...
No you didn't. You went on a quote mining expedition to promote your
propagandistic misconceptions about Democrats. I say this even before
looking at whatever you dredged up.
John F Kennedy - "And yet the same revolutionary beliefs for which our
forebears fought are still at issue around the globe--the belief that
the rights of man come not from the generosity of the state, but from
the hand of God."" (inaugural address)
Well, that kinda works against the current party's admiration for
communist governments.
What "communist government" does the current party admire. Please
provide a cite. Oh, and by the way, this is an "absolute statement"
made without supporting it, hypocrite.
The fact that Kennedy almost went to war with
the Soviets over Cuba (furthering the cold war with communists) is
further in contradiction of this current Democrat policy of both
wanting to support Communists worldwide and to give Cuba financial
aid.
Please cite the Democratic party platform plank indicating "wanting to
support Communists worldwide" and one indicating "wanting to give Cuba
financial aid". Can't do it? You've just been proven a liar.
Well, if JFK is not the foundation of the current party,
what about FDR?
What ever would give you that idea that a person is the foundation of
a party?
Franklin D Roosevelt - "Almighty God: our sons, pride of our Nation,
this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our
Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a
suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to
their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their
faith." (D-Day Broadcast Prayer)
Hmm. As part of an official proclamation of religion
Not an official proclamation of religion. Not even official. FDR did
not have the power to make an official proclamation of religion.
"we shall prevail over the unholy forces of our enemy. Help us to
conquer the apostles of greed and racial arrogancies."
In other words, the Republican party.
Gee, a President that calls his enemy UNHOLY,
I've called you a servant of Satan.
Indeed, World War I began under Wilson (Democrat), World War II began
under FDR (Democrat), the Korean War began under Truman (Democrat),
The Vietnam War began under the GOP President that was FDR's top
general in World War II, and all of the Bosnia and Kosovo and Somalia
wars began under Clinton (three wars for one Democrat).
Bush the Elder first got us into in Somalia.
So, with the exception of Eisenhower and Bush, EVERY war in the last
100 years was started by a Democrat President.
Actually, WWI was started by Austria and Germany, WWII was started by
Japan and Germany. The Vietnam War was started by the Vietnamese,
against the French. Bosnia started as a war between Bosnia and
Serbia. Kosovo, and Somalia both started and ended as civil wars (to
the extent that either could be called a "war".
As for your erroneous generalization, dealing only with military
actions that started after 1907:
R 1911 Mexico
R 1912 Nicaragua
D 1915 Haiti
D 1916 Dominican Republic
D 1917 WWI (started 1914)
D 1918 Russian Northern and Siberian Expeditions
R 1921 China Yangtze Service
R 1927 Nicaragua
D 1941 WWII (started 1939)
D 1950 Korea
R 1954 Matsu and Quemoy (Taiwan)
R 1957 Vietnam
R 1958 Lebanon
D 1961-2 Cuba
D 1964 Panama Canal
D 1965 Dominican Republic
D 1966 South Korea
R 1970 Cambodia
R 1975 Reagan Doctrine: Angola (aid first started by Ford, expanded by
Reagan)
D 1979 Reagan Doctrine: Afghanistan (started under Carter, but
expanded greatly under Reagan)
D 1980 Iran
R 1983 Reagan Doctrine: Nicaragua (Iran-Contra)
R 1983 Grenada
R 1983 Lebanon
R 1984 Honduras
R 1986 Libya
R 1987 Persian Gulf
R 1989 Panama
R 1990 Persian Gulf (Desert Storm)
R 1991 Somalia
D 1994 Haiti
D 1995 Bosnia
D 1999 Kosovo
R 2002 Enduring Freedom - Afghanistan
R 2002 Enduring Freedom - Philippines
R 2002 Enduring Freedom - Iraq
R 2007 Somalia
I omit a few actions that were somewhat less than "wars", even though
soldiers died: The Mayaguez (Ford) and Pueblo (Johnson) incidents, a
number of terrorist attacks, the attack on the Stark and the Cole (the
latter was by a terrorist group, but it was against a military
target), precisely because the incidents ended without further combat
after the initial violence.
There were also some military activities that started before 1907 that
continued, most notably our involvement in Cuba and the Philippines.
The 6 wars started by Reagan, the 3 wars by Bush I and the 4 wars by
Bush II rather outweigh the numbers Clinton got involved in.
Like I said, the current anti-war attacks on Bush is not consistent with Democrat
heritage and history.
You don't know history.
Indeed, Kennedy's brother was killed for the
Kennedy opposition to union power in America (union organizations that
are currently one of the strongest supports of the current party).
Sirhan Sirhan was insane, but if there was any "reason" it was his
blaming RFK for supporting Israel against Palestine. He never
mentioned "union power" as being in his motives.
So, if the Democrats have turned their back on their party, who IS
their foundation?
"We the people of the United States".
Well, look at the evidence. They support communist Cuba.
No. Indeed Hillary's position is "no change in policy". Some of the
others want Cuban-Americans to have the right to visit and send money
to family members.
They support socialist Islamic countries.
They aren't socialist, and no.
(And Bush has been propping up Pakistan and Egypt, BTW, so he is at
least as guilty as any Democrat, and he is actually in power).
They defy Kennedy's memory to cuddle up with the new Communists in Russia and France.
Which Communists are those?
They support trade unions (socialistic)
Trade unions are not "socialistic".
in this country. They defy JFK and FDR's religious heritage to attack the religious
They do not attack the "religious". But certain religious extremists
like to attack them.
But if you are correct, then Bush is actually *attacking* (and
killing) al Qaeda which is arguably "religious"
And, their greatest enemy in this country seems to be the military.
Only to nutcases like you. Bush is the greatest enemy that the
military has had since Hitler and Tojo.
It is Bush that has destroyed the American military by stretching it
too thin, and having it play policeman, political organizer,
construction manager, while hiring poorly trained and ill-equipped
private security forces to do much of the fighting in Iraq,
overextending tours of duty, misusing the National Guard, and then
sending home thousands of wounded to horrendously ill-equipped
hospital facilities.
And, now, Hilary is pushing her universal health care system, again.
So? Americans increasingly favor such a thing.
It seems to me that the current foundation for the Democrat party is worldwide communism
Canada and Britain with universal health care are "communist"?
(which they would not even DENY is their support...Clinton recently speaking at a
communist forum).
Cite please.
Oh, and please deal with Nixon's visit to Peking and sales of wheat to
Russia in the height of the Cold War, if you want to play games with
"who is supporting the communists".
lojbab
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