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User: "Wm Dawol"
Date: 21 Apr 2004 08:46:22 AM
Object: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time?
We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?
.

User: "John"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 09:07:23 AM
"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
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We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?

Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them pretty
please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for higher gas
prices for my reelection????
.
User: "Wm Dawol"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 09:10:53 AM
In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,
says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them pretty
please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for higher gas
prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?
.
User: "Harvey"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 09:27:40 AM
"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
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In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them

pretty

please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for higher

gas

prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?

For those who don't understand leftyspeak, the above response means "Your
answer is correct, but I won't admit that unless we're re-electing a
Democrat, and in any case it isn't what I want to hear now."
Harvey
.
User: "Wm Dawol"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 06:56:25 PM
In article <vxvhc.25217$Yf6.4392@fed1read07>,
says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af020c5ba55079e98987f@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them

pretty

please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for higher

gas

prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?



For those who don't understand leftyspeak, the above response means "Your
answer is correct,

I don't recall even any allegations of secret Saudi deals with Clinton,
Reagan or Carter. Post the URL's.
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 08:26:17 PM
"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
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In article <vxvhc.25217$Yf6.4392@fed1read07>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af020c5ba55079e98987f@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,

John@nospam.com

says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the

American

people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them

pretty

please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for

higher

gas

prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?



For those who don't understand leftyspeak, the above response means

"Your

answer is correct,


I don't recall even any allegations of secret Saudi deals with Clinton,
Reagan or Carter. Post the URL's.

Allegations? Prince Bandar admitted that very thing today. Someone already
posted it in the NG. But there wasn't necessarily any quid pro quo or
anything sinister associated with it, although I am sure the Saudis use
their influence in that regard all the time - especially related to
PA/Israel issues.
Bandar said they generally wanted to keep good relations with any Prez in
office and try to keep prices stable - especially during US elections. They
are also not magicians - sometimes they under/over estimate based on what
they think market conditions or the economy are going to do. And there is
often those OPEC members the 'cheat' a little on their quotas. When prices
collapsed back in '98 it was because of the Asian economic crisis and big
slow-down in Japan (that was not expected).
Also if you recall Clinton dipped into the SPR during the 2000 election to
keep prices low (heating oil if I recall). I also think the trouble in
Venezuela has had quiet a lot of impact on supply more recently (US-hating
left winger took over that thinks he is Castro).
John
.
User: "Wm Dawol"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 10:16:46 PM
In article <ZaFhc.39060$L31.15216@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,
says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af0aa074c62215a989880@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vxvhc.25217$Yf6.4392@fed1read07>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af020c5ba55079e98987f@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the

American

people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask them

pretty

please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed for

higher

gas

prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?



For those who don't understand leftyspeak, the above response means

"Your

answer is correct,


I don't recall even any allegations of secret Saudi deals with Clinton,
Reagan or Carter. Post the URL's.


Allegations? Prince Bandar admitted that very thing today. Someone already
posted it in the NG. But there wasn't necessarily any quid pro quo or
anything sinister associated with it, although I am sure the Saudis use
their influence in that regard all the time - especially related to
PA/Israel issues.

Bandar said they generally wanted to keep good relations with any Prez in
office and try to keep prices stable - especially during US elections. They
are also not magicians - sometimes they under/over estimate based on what
they think market conditions or the economy are going to do. And there is
often those OPEC members the 'cheat' a little on their quotas. When prices
collapsed back in '98 it was because of the Asian economic crisis and big
slow-down in Japan (that was not expected).

Also if you recall Clinton dipped into the SPR during the 2000 election to
keep prices low (heating oil if I recall). I also think the trouble in
Venezuela has had quiet a lot of impact on supply more recently (US-hating
left winger took over that thinks he is Castro).

John


Well since this thread is cross posted to several ng's, I don't know which
you are referring to. The Reuters story,
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4901081
doesn't mention Clinton Reagan or Carter. It would be naive to
to trust any statements by the Saudi's, although you may prefer to
overlook that if it suits your purpose. I don't mean to perpetuate
any stereotypes but the Middle East culture doesn't strike me as
lending itself to doing something for nothing.
.
User: "John"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 11:12:32 PM
"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
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In article <ZaFhc.39060$L31.15216@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af0aa074c62215a989880@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vxvhc.25217$Yf6.4392@fed1read07>,

researchermd@netscape.net

says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af020c5ba55079e98987f@netnews.comcast.net...

In article <vevhc.29094$G_.26616@nwrddc02.gnilink.net>,


says...


"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net...


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the

American

people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Same thing as his daddy, Clinton, Reagan and Carter did... ask

them

pretty

please don't cut production too much where I don't get blamed

for

higher

gas

prices for my reelection????


Wrong answer, next?



For those who don't understand leftyspeak, the above response means

"Your

answer is correct,


I don't recall even any allegations of secret Saudi deals with

Clinton,

Reagan or Carter. Post the URL's.


Allegations? Prince Bandar admitted that very thing today. Someone

already

posted it in the NG. But there wasn't necessarily any quid pro quo or
anything sinister associated with it, although I am sure the Saudis use
their influence in that regard all the time - especially related to
PA/Israel issues.

Bandar said they generally wanted to keep good relations with any Prez

in

office and try to keep prices stable - especially during US elections.

They

are also not magicians - sometimes they under/over estimate based on

what

they think market conditions or the economy are going to do. And there

is

often those OPEC members the 'cheat' a little on their quotas. When

prices

collapsed back in '98 it was because of the Asian economic crisis and

big

slow-down in Japan (that was not expected).

Also if you recall Clinton dipped into the SPR during the 2000 election

to

keep prices low (heating oil if I recall). I also think the trouble in
Venezuela has had quiet a lot of impact on supply more recently

(US-hating

left winger took over that thinks he is Castro).

John


Well since this thread is cross posted to several ng's, I don't know which
you are referring to. The Reuters story,
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=topNews&storyID=4901081
doesn't mention Clinton Reagan or Carter. It would be naive to
to trust any statements by the Saudi's, although you may prefer to
overlook that if it suits your purpose. I don't mean to perpetuate
any stereotypes but the Middle East culture doesn't strike me as
lending itself to doing something for nothing.

I have no idea why you would think that would be all that odd. I would be
rather surprised if all US Prez's didn't constantly try to jawbone prices
down by getting them to up production - and *especially* if their election
is coming up. Believing they would not do that I would find to be rather
naive because it is a win win... so long as they don't give away the store
to get it of course. Like I said I also suspect the Saudis use their
leverage all the time as well.
And yes... I will try to find the post I read this morning because it did
mention all Prez in office... and their general policies in regards to price
stability and target prices they like to see ('about $25' I believe he said
for healthy economies). It is a lot higher than that right now of course. I
need to remember which NG I saw it in.
John
.







User: "cLIeNUX user"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 22 Apr 2004 03:02:12 AM


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?

Took out Saddam. Didn't nuke Mecca and Medina behind 9-11. And last but
not least, promised $40/bbl oil by January.
Rick (Richard Allen) Hohensee
The Responsible Party
.

User: "Captain Compassion"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 11:21:50 AM
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:46:22 GMT, Wm Dawol <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com>
wrote:


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?

Got a clue for you. The price of Gasoline goes down every fall. It
will go down this fall with or without the help of Bush.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion
"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant
"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke
You can never redistribute wealth only poverty. Because of the natural
inequities of man and the nature of wealth it is impossible for all men
to be rich. It is possible for all men to be poor. Just ask any Socialist
they can tell you how. -- Captain Compassion
Joseph R. Darancette
res0mp8t@NOSPAMverizon.net
.
User: "InsuranceBroker"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 21 Apr 2004 12:59:43 PM

Subject: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at
Election Time?
From:

(Captain Compassion)
Date: 4/21/2004 12:21 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <40869f00.7274620@news.verizon.net>

On Wed, 21 Apr 2004 13:46:22 GMT, Wm Dawol <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com>
wrote:


We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Got a clue for you. The price of Gasoline goes down every fall. It
will go down this fall with or without the help of Bush.

That really has not been true since bush has been in office. The price has
been high and going up. Bush like his father only see good with higher
gasoline prices.





----------------------------------------------------------------------
"Long term commitment in relationships is only necessary because it takes
so damn long to raise children. Marriage may well be some kind of trick
to keep the males around beyond sexual satiation." -- Captain Compassion

"Progress is the increasing control of the environment by life.
--Will Durant

"Madmen reason rightly from the wrong premisis" -- Locke

You can never redistribute wealth only poverty. Because of the natural
inequities of man and the nature of wealth it is impossible for all men
to be rich. It is possible for all men to be poor. Just ask any Socialist
they can tell you how. -- Captain Compassion

Joseph R. Darancette








Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
.


User: "T.Carr"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 22 Apr 2004 11:40:52 AM
Wm Dawol <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net>...

We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?

Considering Woodward denies there was a "secret deal" why dont you tell us?
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/20/bush.oil/
T.Carr
.
User: "Wm Dawol"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 22 Apr 2004 06:59:14 PM
In article <8c213b2e.0404220840.1378282b@posting.google.com>,
says...

Wm Dawol <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message news:<MPG.1af01b06ddb4afe598987e@netnews.comcast.net>...

We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Considering Woodward denies there was a "secret deal" why dont you tell us?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/20/bush.oil/

T.Carr

The quote from Woodward was :
"I don't say there's a secret deal or any collaboration on this,"
Woodward told CNN's "Larry King Live" Monday. "What I say in the
book is that the Saudis ... hoped to keep oil prices low during
the period before the election, because of its impact on the economy.
That's what I say."
The crux of the matter is the "during the period before the election"
part of the quote. Why just then?
.
User: "Bob"

Title: Re: What did Bush do for the Saudi's in return for cheap oil at Election Time? 23 Apr 2004 10:38:45 AM
"Wm Dawol" <seeallthe@lilpiggies.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.1af1fc2aac431725989885@netnews.comcast.net...

We'll probably never know since Bush isn't straight with the American
people. Anyone want to take a guess?


Considering Woodward denies there was a "secret deal" why dont you tell us?

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/20/bush.oil/

T.Carr

The quote from Woodward was :
"I don't say there's a secret deal or any collaboration on this,"
Woodward told CNN's "Larry King Live" Monday. "What I say in the
book is that the Saudis ... hoped to keep oil prices low during
the period before the election, because of its impact on the economy.
That's what I say."

The crux of the matter is the "during the period before the election"
part of the quote. Why just then?

The crux of the matter is that Kerry said
there was a "secret deal". Can he back
up this statement?
.




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