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Date: 16 Aug 2004 01:22:35 PM
Object: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say?
by The Angry Liberal
Ain't politics fun?
Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based on a
series of lies and twisted intelligence, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken Hawk
charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look foolish. It
seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster of a
war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough to
support me! "That's telling him, George.
So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:
My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know now,
he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and the
American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.
Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage of
time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But Kerry
decided to play along:
"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry said,
referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority, as I
have said throughout this campaign, effectively."
To which Bush responded triumphantly:
Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days after
switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent has
found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into Iraq.
I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United States
could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.
I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He supported
a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if somebody
at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an interesting
passage that they would have discovered:
(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the
United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to
(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing
threat posed by Iraq; and
(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding
Iraq.
In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to legitimize
that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the determination
that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush could
provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of Washington.
Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him, knowing
what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and lack of
involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided any
authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says that
going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified. Yet
Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.
I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled with
inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA and
the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare war
under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says that
Bush was wrong to go to war.
Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign trail
today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed to
the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now. The
9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now simply
says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it enough
times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals, Kerry is
letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of the
war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it. God,
I miss Howard Dean.
Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you think
the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why don't
you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to congress?
You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:
In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to
use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as
may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority,
make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President
pro tempore of the Senate his determination that
(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means
alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely
to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and
(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and
other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international
terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks
that occurred on September 11, 2001.
Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your little
war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't this
be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq and
those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit that
your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete lack
of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you were
wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?
In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber,
"Naaaaaahhh!"
.. . .The Angry Liberal
http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html
.

User: "Liberty1st"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 01:38:29 PM
"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence

Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.

, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken

Hawk

charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look

foolish. It

seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster

of a

war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough

to

support me! "That's telling him, George.


So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:


My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know

now,

he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and

the

American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.


Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage

of

time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But

Kerry

decided to play along:


"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry

said,

referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority,

as I

have said throughout this campaign, effectively."


To which Bush responded triumphantly:


Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days

after

switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent

has

found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into

Iraq.



I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United

States

could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.


I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He

supported

a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if

somebody

at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an

interesting

passage that they would have discovered:


(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of

the

United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the

continuing

threat posed by Iraq; and


(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions

regarding

Iraq.


In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to

legitimize

that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the

determination

that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush

could

provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of

Washington.

Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him,

knowing

what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and

lack of

involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided

any

authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says

that

going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified.

Yet

Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.


I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled

with

inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA

and

the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare

war

under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says

that

Bush was wrong to go to war.


Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign

trail

today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed

to

the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now.

The

9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now

simply

says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it

enough

times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals,

Kerry is

letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of

the

war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it.

God,

I miss Howard Dean.


Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you

think

the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why

don't

you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to

congress?

You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:


In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a)

to

use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there

after as

may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such

authority,

make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the

President

pro tempore of the Senate his determination that


(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful

means

alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not

likely

to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and


(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United

States and

other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against

international

terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,

organizations

or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists

attacks

that occurred on September 11, 2001.


Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your

little

war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't

this

be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq

and

those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit

that

your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete

lack

of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you

were

wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?


In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval

Barber,

"Naaaaaahhh!"


. . .The Angry Liberal

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html

.
User: "AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 02:06:05 PM
Liberty1st wrote:


"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence


Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.

Can't read? Maybe you can watch moving pictures of a Marine who was sent to Iraq
and knows AWOL Bush was is full of *****:
https://www.moveonpac.org/donate/switchad_winners.html?ad_id=12&id=
.
User: "Liberty1st"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 02:29:33 PM
Moveon.org? ROFLMAO!! Why not just get your news from Mad Magazine. You'd
get about the same amount of truth.
You truly are brainwashed.
Close your mouth...you're attracting flies.
"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xA7Uc.167297$eM2.113637@attbi_s51...

Liberty1st wrote:


"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in

message

news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq

the

centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was

based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence


Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.


Can't read? Maybe you can watch moving pictures of a Marine who was sent

to Iraq

and knows AWOL Bush was is full of *****:
https://www.moveonpac.org/donate/switchad_winners.html?ad_id=12&id=

.
User: "AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 02:44:05 PM
Liberty1st wrote:

Moveon.org? ROFLMAO!! Why not just get your news from Mad Magazine. You'd
get about the same amount of truth.

You truly are brainwashed.

Just look at the polls, and stop pretending you care anything about liberty.


Close your mouth...you're attracting flies.

"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:xA7Uc.167297$eM2.113637@attbi_s51...

Liberty1st wrote:


"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in

message

news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq

the

centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was

based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence


Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.


Can't read? Maybe you can watch moving pictures of a Marine who was sent

to Iraq

and knows AWOL Bush was is full of *****:
https://www.moveonpac.org/donate/switchad_winners.html?ad_id=12&id=

.
User: "Liberty1st"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 02:55:01 PM
"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:988Uc.167735$eM2.84022@attbi_s51...

Liberty1st wrote:

Moveon.org? ROFLMAO!! Why not just get your news from Mad Magazine.

You'd

get about the same amount of truth.

You truly are brainwashed.


Just look at the polls, and stop pretending you care anything about

liberty.
The only poll I am interested in is the one this Nov.
Anyone who claims to care about liberty and would still support Democrats is
either stupid or stoned.


Close your mouth...you're attracting flies.

"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in

message

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Liberty1st wrote:


"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in

message

news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make

Iraq

the

centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was

based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence


Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.


Can't read? Maybe you can watch moving pictures of a Marine who was

sent

to Iraq

and knows AWOL Bush was is full of *****:
https://www.moveonpac.org/donate/switchad_winners.html?ad_id=12&id=


.




User: "A. Dulcimer"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 01:52:24 PM
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 14:38:29 -0400, "Liberty1st"
<liberty1st_@email.com> wrote:


"AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:LX6Uc.24176$TI1.12331@attbi_s52...

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based

on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence


Utter nonsense... quit reading at this point as I figure...why bother
reading lies.

Yes, anything that doesn't fit into your little fascist world view
must be a lie. The lies are well documented.


, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken

Hawk

charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look

foolish. It

seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster

of a

war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough

to

support me! "That's telling him, George.


So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:


My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know

now,

he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and

the

American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.


Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage

of

time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But

Kerry

decided to play along:


"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry

said,

referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority,

as I

have said throughout this campaign, effectively."


To which Bush responded triumphantly:


Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days

after

switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent

has

found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into

Iraq.



I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United

States

could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.


I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He

supported

a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if

somebody

at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an

interesting

passage that they would have discovered:


(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of

the

United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the

continuing

threat posed by Iraq; and


(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions

regarding

Iraq.


In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to

legitimize

that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the

determination

that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush

could

provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of

Washington.

Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him,

knowing

what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and

lack of

involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided

any

authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says

that

going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified.

Yet

Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.


I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled

with

inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA

and

the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare

war

under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says

that

Bush was wrong to go to war.


Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign

trail

today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed

to

the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now.

The

9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now

simply

says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it

enough

times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals,

Kerry is

letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of

the

war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it.

God,

I miss Howard Dean.


Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you

think

the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why

don't

you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to

congress?

You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:


In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a)

to

use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there

after as

may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such

authority,

make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the

President

pro tempore of the Senate his determination that


(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful

means

alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not

likely

to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and


(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United

States and

other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against

international

terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,

organizations

or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists

attacks

that occurred on September 11, 2001.


Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your

little

war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't

this

be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq

and

those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit

that

your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete

lack

of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you

were

wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?


In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval

Barber,

"Naaaaaahhh!"


. . .The Angry Liberal

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html


----
"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented
by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she
doesn't even live in and pretend to represent the people
there.So I certainly wouldn't imitate it."
Alan Keyes
.


User: "James Monroe"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 02:26:57 PM
On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 18:22:35 GMT, AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla
<patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote:

by The Angry Liberal


Ain't politics fun?


Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign.

AWOL bush's handlers had to pick SOME issue to be the centerpiece.
If not Iraq, then what? The failing economy? Raising unemployment? Oil
prices through the roof? Military records? The candidate's
intelligence?
Drunken bush is dealing from an empty deck. Maybe he sees it as a
positve thing that his lies only got 1000 Americas killed; could have
been 5000.
Forgetting that the war was based on a

series of lies and twisted intelligence, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken Hawk
charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look foolish. It
seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster of a
war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough to
support me! "That's telling him, George.


So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:


My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know now,
he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and the
American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.


Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage of
time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But Kerry
decided to play along:


"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry said,
referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority, as I
have said throughout this campaign, effectively."


To which Bush responded triumphantly:


Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days after
switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent has
found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into Iraq.


I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United States
could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.


I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He supported
a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if somebody
at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an interesting
passage that they would have discovered:


(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the
United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to


(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing
threat posed by Iraq; and


(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding
Iraq.


In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to legitimize
that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the determination
that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush could
provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of Washington.
Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him, knowing
what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and lack of
involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided any
authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says that
going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified. Yet
Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.


I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled with
inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA and
the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare war
under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says that
Bush was wrong to go to war.


Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign trail
today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed to
the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now. The
9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now simply
says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it enough
times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals, Kerry is
letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of the
war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it. God,
I miss Howard Dean.


Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you think
the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why don't
you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to congress?
You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:


In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to
use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as
may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority,
make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President
pro tempore of the Senate his determination that


(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means
alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely
to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and


(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and
other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international
terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks
that occurred on September 11, 2001.


Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your little
war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't this
be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq and
those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit that
your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete lack
of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you were
wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?


In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber,
"Naaaaaahhh!"


. . .The Angry Liberal

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html

.

User: "Jane Fonda Kerry"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 01:38:25 PM
ask JFK because he VOTED FOR IT!
AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla wrote:

by The Angry Liberal

Ain't politics fun?

Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based on a
series of lies and twisted intelligence, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken Hawk
charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look foolish. It
seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster of a
war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough to
support me! "That's telling him, George.

So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:

My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know now,
he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and the
American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.

Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage of
time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But Kerry
decided to play along:

"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry said,
referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority, as I
have said throughout this campaign, effectively."

To which Bush responded triumphantly:

Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days after
switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent has
found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into Iraq.

I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United States
could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.

I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He supported
a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if somebody
at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an interesting
passage that they would have discovered:

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the
United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing
threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding
Iraq.

In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to legitimize
that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the determination
that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush could
provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of Washington.
Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him, knowing
what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and lack of
involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided any
authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says that
going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified. Yet
Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.

I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled with
inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA and
the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare war
under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says that
Bush was wrong to go to war.

Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign trail
today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed to
the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now. The
9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now simply
says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it enough
times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals, Kerry is
letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of the
war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it. God,
I miss Howard Dean.

Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you think
the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why don't
you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to congress?
You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to
use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as
may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority,
make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President
pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means
alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely
to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and
other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international
terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks
that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your little
war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't this
be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq and
those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit that
your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete lack
of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you were
wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?

In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber,
"Naaaaaahhh!"

. . .The Angry Liberal

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html

.
User: "A. Dulcimer"

Title: Re: What Did the Joint Resolution on Iraq Really Say? 16 Aug 2004 01:53:00 PM
On 16 Aug 2004 18:38:25 GMT, Jane Fonda Kerry <Ima@TITLESS_JANE.com>
wrote:

ask JFK because he VOTED FOR IT!

It's pretty obvious that you don't what id said.


AWOL Coward GW Chimpzilla wrote:

by The Angry Liberal

Ain't politics fun?

Last week, presidential candidate George W. Bush decided to make Iraq the
centerpiece of his reelection campaign. Forgetting that the war was based on a
series of lies and twisted intelligence, has alienated the rest of the world,
and will soon kill America's 1,000th serviceman/woman, the King Chicken Hawk
charged ahead with a plan to make John Kerry's vote on the war look foolish. It
seems that when Kerry charges Bush with presiding over a complete disaster of a
war, Bush gleefully responds with, "Oh, yeah? Well, you were dumb enough to
support me! "That's telling him, George.

So Bush, while on the campaign trail last week, threw down the gauntlet:

My opponent hasn't answered the question of whether, knowing what we know now,
he would have supported going into Iraq. That's an important question and the
American people deserve a clear yes-or-no answer.

Why Bush, whose entire Iraq strategy has been laid to waste by the passage of
time, would want to play the hindsight game is completely unknown. But Kerry
decided to play along:

"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Mr. Kerry said,
referring to the joint resolution. "But I would have used that authority, as I
have said throughout this campaign, effectively."

To which Bush responded triumphantly:

Almost two years after he voted for the war in Iraq, and almost 220 days after
switching positions to declare himself the anti-war candidate, my opponent has
found a new nuance, he now agrees it was the right decision to go into Iraq.

I don't know which is worse: The notion that the President of the United States
could be that stupid or that almost half of the nation supports him.

I hate to break it to Dubya, but Kerry didn't vote to go into Iraq. He supported
a joint resolution to authorize the use of force against Iraq. And if somebody
at the White House had actually read that resolution, here's an interesting
passage that they would have discovered:

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the
United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing
threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding
Iraq.

In other words, John Kerry voted to allow Bush to attack Iraq only if Bush
determined that Iraq presented a threat to the United States, and used the
guise of security council resolution enforcement as an attempt to legitimize
that attack. In hindsight, since we are nearly certain that Iraq posed no
significant threat after all, Bush couldn't have provided the determination
that Iraq was a danger to the United States. Let me rephrase that: Bush could
provide the determination, but he would have been laughed out of Washington.
Ladies and gentlemen, when Bush's question to Kerry is turned on him, knowing
what we know today about Iraq's lack of weapons of mass destruction and lack of
involvement with terrorism, the joint resolution wouldn't have provided any
authority for Bush to declare war on Iraq. In effect, the resolution says that
going to war in Iraq, knowing what we know now, would not be justified. Yet
Bush waves the resolution around as if it actually supported the war.

I encourage you to read the entire resolution. Note that it is riddled with
inaccuracies and misstatements about Iraq. Even though it was written by a
Republican congress being fed misleading and false information by the CIA and
the Bush administration, the resolution does not authorize Bush to declare war
under the circumstances we now know existed at the time that Bush climbed
aboard his hobby horse and charged up Sand Juan Hill. The resolution says that
Bush was wrong to go to war.

Bush will never admit this, however. When you see Dubya on the campaign trail
today, you'll notice that he never mentions exactly what threat Iraq posed to
the U.S. No talk about weapons of mass destruction or terrorist links now. The
9/11 Commission slammed the door on that ploy in its report. Bush now simply
says that attacking Iraq was "the right thing to do," as if saying it enough
times will eventually make it true. And unfortunately for us liberals, Kerry is
letting him get away with it. Kerry is refusing to question the wisdom of the
war even though we are now almost certain that there was no basis for it. God,
I miss Howard Dean.

Okay, Georgie, here's my question to you: Knowing what we know now, do you think
the joint resolution authorized you to go to war in Iraq? And if so, why don't
you make public the determination that you were forced to provide to congress?
You know, the one mandated by the joint resolution:

In connection with the exercise of the authority granted in subsection (a) to
use force the President shall, prior to such exercise or as soon there after as
may be feasible, but no later than 48 hours after exercising such authority,
make available to the Speaker of the House of Representatives and the President
pro tempore of the Senate his determination that

(1) reliance by the United States on further diplomatic or other peaceful means
alone either (A) will not adequately protect the national security of the
United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq or (B) is not likely
to lead to enforcement of all relevant United Nations Security Council
resolutions regarding Iraq, and

(2) acting pursuant to this resolution is consistent with the United States and
other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international
terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations, organizations
or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorists attacks
that occurred on September 11, 2001.

Let's see the pack of lies that you provided to congress to justify your little
war. Let's make that public. And as long as you're coming clean, wouldn't this
be a good time to admit that you were 100% wrong in going to war in Iraq and
those of us on the left who opposed you were 100% right? As long as we're
examining Kerry's actions from 2002, wouldn't this be a good time to admit that
your own moronic strategy of preemptive war, combined with your complete lack
of understanding of the world's threats, has led the United States into a
needless nightmare in Iraq? Wouldn't this be a good time to admit that you were
wrong, to apologize to Americans and to the world, and to resign?

In the immortal words of Steve Martin as Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber,
"Naaaaaahhh!"

. . .The Angry Liberal

http://www.buzzflash.com/theangryliberal/04/08/tal04009.html

----
"I deeply resent the destruction of federalism represented
by Hillary Clinton's willingness to go into a state she
doesn't even live in and pretend to represent the people
there.So I certainly wouldn't imitate it."
Alan Keyes
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