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"locke" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:19:07 PM |
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What Do You Think? ... |
The Bush Administration is running in to major problems in Iraq due to
their failure to understand the Iraqi people.
The new Iraqi government has been found corrupt on many levels.
Paramilitary groups have infiltrated the security forces and act as
Death Squads for hire. Politicians that do not bow to extremeist will
are murdered.
The insurgany rages on as never before. The administration's stupidity
has resulted in a vicious circle of violence that has absolutly no end
in site. Extremist have an absolutly unlimited supply of combatants as
attacks are on the rise.
At home Bush and his party spill lies on the people. Rumsfeld denies
there is an insurgancy in Iraq, claiming "insurgancy" gives them far to
much credit.
This needs to end.
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| User: "XTS" |
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| Title: Re: What Do You Think? ... |
01 Dec 2005 05:42:58 PM |
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"locke" <mark.fenris@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133479147.099942.52930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com...
The Bush Administration is running in to major problems in Iraq due to
their failure to understand the Iraqi people.
The new Iraqi government has been found corrupt on many levels.
Paramilitary groups have infiltrated the security forces and act as
Death Squads for hire. Politicians that do not bow to extremeist will
are murdered.
The insurgany rages on as never before. The administration's stupidity
has resulted in a vicious circle of violence that has absolutly no end
in site. Extremist have an absolutly unlimited supply of combatants as
attacks are on the rise.
At home Bush and his party spill lies on the people. Rumsfeld denies
there is an insurgancy in Iraq, claiming "insurgancy" gives them far to
much credit.
This needs to end.
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Your question is "what do you think".
The answer is simple. It's the corruption. The whole endeavor was conceived
on lies and corruption. How could it have turned out any differently than
it has? It's a failure because there is no honor, or no just cause when the
original intent was corrupt.
It is impossble for it to turn out to be anything but failure. Bush points
the finger at many for his failures, but avoids the man in the mirror. But,
he can only avoid that for so long. Like all criminals and tyrants, his day
is due.
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| User: "RUSiriusA" |
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| Title: Re: What Do You Think? ... |
01 Dec 2005 05:25:03 PM |
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In article <1133479147.099942.52930@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
"locke" <mark.fenris@gmail.com> wrote:
The Bush Administration is running in to major problems in Iraq due to
their failure to understand the Iraqi people.
The new Iraqi government has been found corrupt on many levels.
Paramilitary groups have infiltrated the security forces and act as
Death Squads for hire. Politicians that do not bow to extremeist will
are murdered.
The insurgany rages on as never before. The administration's stupidity
has resulted in a vicious circle of violence that has absolutly no end
in site. Extremist have an absolutly unlimited supply of combatants as
attacks are on the rise.
At home Bush and his party spill lies on the people. Rumsfeld denies
there is an insurgancy in Iraq, claiming "insurgancy" gives them far to
much credit.
This needs to end.
Can you picture rocks being thrown at the last helicopter to leave
Baghdad?
Right to the very end... the invading force will be pressured. The
rubble from the bombs being used as slingshot fodder.
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| User: "locke" |
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| Title: Re: What Do You Think? ... |
01 Dec 2005 05:28:29 PM |
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It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:32:54 PM |
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locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
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| User: "Jeebus" |
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02 Dec 2005 08:49:32 AM |
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Christian
We screwed them over because we left them off worse then when we
started. Yes the "thieving tyrant" was bad but we let more bad people
in. If we had let it stay the way it was we wouldn't be in the mess
that we are in and the people of Iraq wouldn't end up in an anarchy
state where terrorists reign supreme.
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| User: "locke" |
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| Title: Re: What Do You Think? ... |
02 Dec 2005 02:13:00 PM |
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The people of Iraq are no freer than they were before the US attacked.
Terrorists now controle with more brutality than Saddam. In order to
make there country safe, the Iraqis will likely chose to have a
government more like that of Iran than Jordan or Turkey. If that is
the system that they chose, the US has no buisniss forcing the Iraqi
people to do otherwise.
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| User: "peeps" |
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02 Dec 2005 03:06:11 PM |
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how do you know? are you over there?
you only hear bad news.... i.e. the news CNN and the
rest of the liberal media WANTS you to hear..
the liberal media controls you..
get a job..so youre not at home all day posting newsgroup
messages..or watching cnn.
"locke" <mark.fenris@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133554379.976505.198960@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The people of Iraq are no freer than they were before the US attacked.
Terrorists now controle with more brutality than Saddam. In order to
make there country safe, the Iraqis will likely chose to have a
government more like that of Iran than Jordan or Turkey. If that is
the system that they chose, the US has no buisniss forcing the Iraqi
people to do otherwise.
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| User: "Deaf Power" |
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03 Dec 2005 08:12:18 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 21:06:11 GMT, "peeps" <peeps@peeps.net> wrote:
how do you know? are you over there?
you only hear bad news.... i.e. the news CNN and the
rest of the liberal media WANTS you to hear..
the liberal media controls you..
And, how do you know also? Are you over there?
You only hear good news, i.e., the fox news and the rest of the Bush
media wants you to hear.
The Bush propaganda media controls you....
--
A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
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| User: "locke" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:24:01 PM |
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get a job? what are you even talking about?
its sad when people dont have enough basis to agrue a point so they
sink to personal attacks.
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| User: "Bob" |
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02 Dec 2005 04:45:11 PM |
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"locke" <mark.fenris@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1133562241.044011.261680@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
get a job? what are you even talking about?
its sad when people dont have enough basis to agrue a point so they
sink to personal attacks.
About as sad as people who post without
showing what/who they are responding to ...
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:46:13 PM |
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In our last episode,
<GKLjf.2646$wD4.1320@trnddc02>,
the lovely and talented Christian Williamson
broadcast on alt.politics:
locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
They got to vote when Saddam is in power.
They are going to end up with a Shiite Islamic Republic that
functions in lockstep with Iran. That will happen whether US
troops leave tomorrow or leave in six months or leave in a year
or leave in ten years. The only difference in the outcome is
how much more American blood and treasure will be wasted getting
there.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
War On Terrorism: Joe McCarthy Brigade
"The decadent left in its enclaves on the coasts is not dead -- and may well
mount a fifth column." Andrew Sullivan, _The New Republic_
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| User: "Bill" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:12:59 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <usenet@larseighner.com> wrote in message
news:slrndov2qj.1udp.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<GKLjf.2646$wD4.1320@trnddc02>,
the lovely and talented Christian Williamson
broadcast on alt.politics:
locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
They got to vote when Saddam is in power.
LOL. Is it even worth responding to that? Push button 1 for Saddam. Push
button 2 and your daughter gets raped by Saddam's son and you end up in a
mass grave with bullet thru the head. Hmmm. Let me see. Who should I vote
for?
Bill J.
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| User: "Lars Eighner" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:39:24 PM |
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In our last episode,
<346b3$438f918e$42744070$13891@SURFCITY.COM>,
the lovely and talented Bill
broadcast on alt.politics:
"Lars Eighner" < > wrote in message
news:slrndov2qj.1udp.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<GKLjf.2646$wD4.1320@trnddc02>,
the lovely and talented Christian Williamson
broadcast on alt.politics:
locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
They got to vote when Saddam is in power.
LOL. Is it even worth responding to that? Push button 1 for Saddam. Push
button 2 and your daughter gets raped by Saddam's son and you end up in a
mass grave with bullet thru the head. Hmmm. Let me see. Who should I vote
for?
True enough, Saddam did not have Diebold machines like Ohio,
where it didn't matter which button you pushed. However, Bush's
puppet government was reporting Saddam-like totals (90%+) in
some places in the last election, so Iraqi still have the same
concept of an election that they did under Saddam.
The Shiites will still form an Islamic republic and align with
Iran, no matter how many more Americans die.
--
Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/
The best way to support the troops right now
is to take them out of hazard's way. -- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Odem (Ret.)
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: What Do You Think? ... |
01 Dec 2005 07:02:51 PM |
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"Lars Eighner" <> wrote in message
news:slrndov5ua.1v2m.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<346b3$438f918e$42744070$13891@SURFCITY.COM>,
the lovely and talented Bill
broadcast on alt.politics:
"Lars Eighner" < > wrote in message
news:slrndov2qj.1udp.usenet@goodwill.io.com...
In our last episode,
<GKLjf.2646$wD4.1320@trnddc02>,
the lovely and talented Christian Williamson
broadcast on alt.politics:
locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
They got to vote when Saddam is in power.
LOL. Is it even worth responding to that? Push button 1 for Saddam.
Push
button 2 and your daughter gets raped by Saddam's son and you end up in a
mass grave with bullet thru the head. Hmmm. Let me see. Who should I vote
for?
True enough, Saddam did not have Diebold machines like Ohio,
where it didn't matter which button you pushed. However, Bush's
puppet government was reporting Saddam-like totals (90%+) in
some places in the last election, so Iraqi still have the same
concept of an election that they did under Saddam.
Perhaps you could get Jessi Jackson to get to the bottom of it. Although
I've yet to see the left complain when people were killed trying to vote in
Iraq.
The Shiites will still form an Islamic republic and align with
Iran, no matter how many more Americans die.
If what they want is an Islamic republic than so be it. Unless you are
insinuating the Islamic republic = terrorists state. They don't always go
hand in hand.
Bill J.
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Lars Eighner
http://www.larseighner.com/
The best way to support the troops right now
is to take them out of hazard's way. -- U.S. Army Lt. Gen. William Odem
(Ret.)
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| User: "kevnbro" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:57:41 PM |
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"The only difference in the outcome is how much more American blood and
treasure will be wasted getting there."
I agree with you wholeheartedly Lars but this " wasted treasure" you
speak of isn't ours to squander... it's loaned "wasted treasure" from
China.
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| User: "Brian Henderson" |
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02 Dec 2005 06:47:05 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:32:54 GMT, Christian Williamson
<c.willi@verizon.net> wrote:
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
But we didn't give them the right to vote for their future, we gave
them the right to have a western-style democracy whether they wanted
one or not.
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| User: "Deaf Power" |
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01 Dec 2005 05:59:03 PM |
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On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 23:32:54 GMT, Christian Williamson
<c.willi@verizon.net> wrote:
locke wrote:
It may be too late to chang Iraq now. We Really screwed all thoes
people.
Yeah, screwing people always involves removing the thieving tyrant over
them and giving them freedom and the right to vote for their future.
So, removing Bush would give us freedom and the right to vote for our
future.
--
A vote for republican is a vote for fascism!
http://www.oldamericancentury.org/14pts.htm
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| User: "Greg" |
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01 Dec 2005 07:14:12 PM |
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On 1 Dec 2005 15:19:07 -0800, "locke" <mark.fenris@gmail.com> wrote:
Actually, I think most of your conclusions are completely false. Yes,
we had some problems (and still do) but I think overall things are
improving in Iraq, as even DEMOCRATIC Senator Joe Liberman admitted in
a recent interview (an interview which, neatly enough, got very little
media attention).
Right now Iraq kids are going to school, they had their first free
election EVER, and more and more soldiers are being trained and can
act without US help.
The problem is, I think, is that so many in the media and politcs HATE
Bush so much that they refuse to report ANYTHING positive about the
Iraq situation, for fear of making Bush look good.
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| User: "locke" |
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01 Dec 2005 09:30:05 PM |
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The Iraqis can now vote and chose their future.
They are going to chose to be like Iran.
It's majority rules.
"Freedom is a buteaful theing" -Donald Rumsfeld
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