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"Harry Hope" |
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12 Feb 2007 08:52:40 PM |
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What FUX News won't tell you |
From Salon, 2/12/07:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/02/12/fox_iran/index.html
What Fox News won't tell you
By Alex Koppelman
There have already been some particularly stellar examples of shoddy
journalism
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/10/iran/index.html
regarding the administration's claims about Iranian arms flowing to
Iraq.
But an article on Fox News' Web site today is one of the more
illustrative examples of how, when it comes to the administration's
arguments on the issue, logic -- as well any perspective of the
reality of the situation in Iraq -- is simply being thrown out the
window. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,251490,00.html
Let's say for the sake of argument that the administration is right on
two key points:
that Iranian arms are indeed flowing into Iraq and that it's happening
with the approval of the Iranian government.
Even if that's true, there's still a big logical hole in the reasoning
of much of the press's reporting on the issue.
That's especially true of this article, beginning in just the first
sentence:
"The White House stuck to its guns Monday, insisting it had clear
evidence that Tehran approved the shipment of weapons -- including
deadly bomb-making materials -- to Shiite militants for use against
U.S. forces in Iraq."
What's the problem there?
Well, simply that weapons supplied by Iran to Shiite militias would be
far more likely to be used in sectarian violence against Sunnis than
against U.S. troops.
As Salon contributor Juan Cole has already pointed out on his blog,
the majority -- by far -- of U.S. deaths in Iraq are caused by Sunnis,
not Shiites.
http://www.juancole.com/2007/02/nyt-falls-for-bogus-iran-weapons.html
Beyond that, the weapons allegedly supplied by Iran are flowing to
U.S. allies in Iraq.
That, of course, is what Fox won't tell you.
It does refer, obliquely, to "a December raid on the Hakim compound in
Baghdad."
That would be the compound of Abdel Aziz al-Hakim, the leader of
SCIRI, a Shiite party that is the largest of any in Iraq's Parliament.
Hakim was a guest at the White House, where he met with the president,
in December.
And, as we've previously discussed, in an interview with documentary
filmmaker Martin Smith,
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2007/02/06/smith/index.html the
SCIRI's militia, the Badr Corps, is a dominating presence in Iraq's
police force.
One of the better examples of how to do reporting on this story the
right way is over at Time magazine, in a piece by Charles Crain --
it's here.
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1588135,00.html
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FUX News -- "We Distort, You Decide"
Harry
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| User: "Neolibertarian" |
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| Title: Re: What FUX News won't tell you |
12 Feb 2007 10:58:50 PM |
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In article <fv92t2lrdbtviueliam48888sekpnq8anm@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From Salon, 2/12/07:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/02/12/fox_iran/index.html
What Fox News won't tell you
By Alex Koppelman
There have already been some particularly stellar examples of shoddy
journalism
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/10/iran/index.html
regarding the administration's claims about Iranian arms flowing to
Iraq.
You have no idea what you're talking about, dummy. And Koppleman has no
idea of what he's taking about.
It gets to the point that this is all amazing to me.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Nobody inherits their civilisation.
You always inherit the /ruins/ of your civilisation.
Beginning with yourself."
--Dennis M. Hammes
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| User: "Trey Harlow" |
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| Title: Re: What FUX News won't tell you |
13 Feb 2007 10:32:40 AM |
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"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cognac756-B36C9A.22510112022007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
In article <fv92t2lrdbtviueliam48888sekpnq8anm@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From Salon, 2/12/07:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/02/12/fox_iran/index.html
What Fox News won't tell you
By Alex Koppelman
There have already been some particularly stellar examples of shoddy
journalism
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/10/iran/index.html
regarding the administration's claims about Iranian arms flowing to
Iraq.
You have no idea what you're talking about, dummy. And Koppleman has no
idea of what he's taking about.
Wow what a well structured rebuttal. You must have won a lot of debates in
preschool.
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| User: "Neolibertarian" |
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| Title: Re: What FUX News won't tell you |
13 Feb 2007 12:01:06 PM |
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In article <2MlAh.5616$MN.916@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net>,
"Trey Harlow" <tharlow@socal.rr.com> wrote:
"Neolibertarian" <cognac756@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cognac756-B36C9A.22510112022007@newsclstr02.news.prodigy.com...
In article <fv92t2lrdbtviueliam48888sekpnq8anm@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From Salon, 2/12/07:
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/2007/02/12/fox_iran/index.html
What Fox News won't tell you
By Alex Koppelman
There have already been some particularly stellar examples of shoddy
journalism
http://www.salon.com/opinion/greenwald/2007/02/10/iran/index.html
regarding the administration's claims about Iranian arms flowing to
Iraq.
You have no idea what you're talking about, dummy. And Koppleman has no
idea of what he's taking about.
Wow what a well structured rebuttal. You must have won a lot of debates in
preschool.
I wasn't attempting debate.
I've been watching this public dialogue for five years now. And I've
watched the arguments build upon fallacies, and build upon false
assumptions until I'm not sure people can ever be pointed back to
reality anymore.
Or if it even really matters.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Nobody inherits their civilisation.
You always inherit the /ruins/ of your civilisation.
Beginning with yourself."
--Dennis M. Hammes
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