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"Harry Hope" |
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25 Dec 2005 05:34:14 PM |
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What happened to the sane Republicans....? |
From The Macon Daily, 12/25/05:
http://www.maconareaonline.com/news.asp?id=12925
What happened to the sane Republicans....?
By: MC Joan
MACON,GA.-
For the past five years, many of us have been asking what happened to
the sane Republicans, to the conservatives who believe in the rule of
law, smaller government, fiscal responsibility?
In their zeal at having finally obtained absolute power--the White
House, Senate, House of Representatives, and arguably, the
Judiciary--many seemed to throw the traditional tenets of American
conservatism out the window.
It seems that their love affair with George W. Bush might just be
ending.
As the year was drawing to a close, we picked up our New York Times
and learned that the Bush administration has been fighting terrorism
by intercepting communications in America without warrants.
It was worrisome on its face, but in justifying their actions,
officials have made a bad situation much worse:
Administration lawyers and the president himself have tortured the
Constitution and extracted a suspension of the separation of powers.
Willful disregard of a law is potentially an impeachable offense.
It is at least as impeachable as having a sexual escapade under the
Oval Office desk and lying about it later.
The members of the House Judiciary Committee who staged the
impeachment of President Clinton ought to be as outraged at this
situation.
They ought to investigate it, consider it carefully and report either
a bill that would change the wiretap laws to suit the president or a
bill of impeachment.
It is important to be clear that an impeachment case, if it comes to
that, would not be about wiretapping, or about a possible
Constitutional right not to be wiretapped.
It would be about the power of Congress to set wiretapping rules by
law, and it is about the obligation of the president to follow the
rules in the Acts that he and his predecessors signed into law.
Published reports quote sources saying that 14 members of Congress
were notified of the wiretapping.
If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called
names, as the president did last week when he said:
"It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important
program in a time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program
is helping the enemy."
Wrong.
If we don't discuss the program and the lack of authority for it, we
are meeting the enemy -- in the mirror.
The gig might just be up for BushCo, now that the "I word" has gone
beyond a whisper campaign among us lefty bloggers.
Barron's (and dare we hope their publisher, The Wall Street Journal?),
all I can say is welcome back to the reality-based community.
"We also believe the president has the inherent authority under the
Constitution, as commander-in-chief, to engage in this kind of
activity," said Attorney General Alberto Gonzales. . . .
Putting the president above the Congress is an invitation to tyranny.
The president has no powers except those specified in the Constitution
and those enacted by law.
President Bush is stretching the power of commander-in-chief of the
Army and Navy by indicating that he can order the military and its
agencies, such as the National Security Agency, to do whatever
furthers the defense of the country from terrorists, regardless of
whether actual force is involved.
Surely the "strict constructionists" on the Supreme Court and the
federal judiciary eventually will point out what a stretch this is.
The most important presidential responsibility under Article II is
that he must "take care that the laws be faithfully executed."
That includes following the requirements of laws that limit executive
power.
There's not much fidelity in an executive who debates and lobbies
Congress to shape a law to his liking and then goes beyond its writ.
________________________________________________________
"Ordinarily he was insane, but he had lucid moments when he was merely
stupid."
Heinrich Heine
Harry
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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25 Dec 2005 06:08:06 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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27 Dec 2005 01:37:52 PM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
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http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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27 Dec 2005 04:35:08 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric. He's an RNC troll sent here to make liberals
look bad by trying to fool the feebleminded into thinking he is one. He's
frequenly incoherent as he is here. Just ignore him. That's what most
people do.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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28 Dec 2005 11:32:25 AM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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28 Dec 2005 01:33:50 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r5iu1crmfao6f@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the
Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Like a bad coin, Freddie the troll pops up everywhere.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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31 Dec 2005 08:42:41 PM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r5iu1crmfao6f@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the
Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Like a bad coin, Freddie the troll pops up everywhere.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"SUVs don't burn down by themselves." -- Some elf in a bunny suit
"What? You're not dead yet? Man, I gotta get a bigger voodoo doll!" - Barb
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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01 Jan 2006 01:31:05 PM |
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"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11reg9hb18uu506@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r5iu1crmfao6f@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the
Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Like a bad coin, Freddie the troll pops up everywhere.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Q.E.D.
Let's ignore Pottymouth Freddie. Don't feed the trolls.
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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01 Jan 2006 05:09:46 PM |
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"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11reg9hb18uu506@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r5iu1crmfao6f@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r35t9pk0ij66e@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:54buq19enednfn68rehpdr9g5ehg0olcr0@4ax.com...
The president has no powers except those specified in the
Constitution
and those enacted by law.
So, Judge Alito, do you agree or disagree with that statement?
Come on, rightard shidmark, explain what you think a terrorist
State is while not covering Israel and the United States.
You'll have to excuse Fredric.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Like a bad coin, Freddie the troll pops up everywhere.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Q.E.D.
Let's ignore Pottymouth Freddie. Don't feed the trolls.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
---
http://www.ElmerFudd.US/ http://www.rightard.org/ http://www.thedarkwind.org/
"Someone give bush a ***** so we can finally impeach him" -- AVet4Peace
"Frankly, I do not give her the time of day (18:20 MST)" -- Quaoar
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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01 Jan 2006 05:25:44 PM |
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Definitive proof Freddy's a troll:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11rgo64mjun9e98@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11refbi8e4ib293@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r5iafe02l3223@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
"Fredric L. Rice" <FRice@SkepticTank.ORG> wrote in message
news:11r33998bo66gb3@corp.supernews.com...
"Dan Kimmel" <daniel.kimmel@rcn.com> wrote:
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what
constitutes
a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without
a
clue.
Fredric the Fascist can't get *anything* right.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes
a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a
clue.
Fredric the Fascist can't get *anything* right.
Thanks for proving my point, thug.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a
clue.
Q.E.D.
Let's ignore Pottymouth Freddie. Don't feed the trolls.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
Q.E.D.
Let's ignore Pottymouth Freddie. Don't feed the trolls.
Translation: The rightard skidmark has no idea what constitutes a
terrorist State. He's a fucking Bush sucking rightard without a clue.
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| User: "steve" |
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26 Dec 2005 01:12:49 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called
names, as the president did last week when he said:
"It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important
program in a time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program
is helping the enemy."
The US Congress hasn't declared war on anyone since 1941.
The United States is not at war with anyone. How could it be?
None has been declared.
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| User: "Tiger" |
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26 Dec 2005 05:18:32 AM |
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steve wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called
names, as the president did last week when he said:
"It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important
program in a time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program
is helping the enemy."
The US Congress hasn't declared war on anyone since 1941.
The United States is not at war with anyone. How could it be?
None has been declared.
Don't go down that road. We are at war, and it was authorized.
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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26 Dec 2005 06:52:07 AM |
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"Tiger" <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43AFD183.E9C9EC4E@hotmail.com...
steve wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called
names, as the president did last week when he said:
"It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important
program in a time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program
is helping the enemy."
The US Congress hasn't declared war on anyone since 1941.
The United States is not at war with anyone. How could it be?
None has been declared.
Don't go down that road. We are at war, and it was authorized.
No, we are in combat which Congress authorized based on false information.
We are not at war. There is no declared state of war between the US and any
other nation.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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26 Dec 2005 06:04:06 AM |
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"Tiger" <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43AFD183.E9C9EC4E@hotmail.com...
The United States is not at war with anyone. How could it be?
None has been declared.
Don't go down that road. We are at war, and it was authorized.
Sorry, we are not at a state of declared war, and the President does not -
and should not - have that power. NO President, regardless of political
party.
A growing number of conservatives and conservative groups agree - this
President broke the law and violated his oath of office.
--
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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29 Dec 2005 12:14:35 AM |
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Tiger wrote:
steve wrote:
Harry Hope wrote:
If some had misgivings, apparently they were scared of being called
names, as the president did last week when he said:
"It was a shameful act for someone to disclose this very important
program in a time of war. The fact that we're discussing this program
is helping the enemy."
The US Congress hasn't declared war on anyone since 1941.
The United States is not at war with anyone. How could it be?
None has been declared.
Don't go down that road. We are at war, and it was authorized.
What war? Who did we declare war against such that we're fighting right now?
RT
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| User: "Tiger" |
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26 Dec 2005 05:15:15 AM |
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In other words Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters,
Cynthia Mc Kenny, Chuck Shummer, Ray Negan,Cindi Shehan, Al Sharpton,
***** Durbin, etc. are examples of Sanity????????
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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26 Dec 2005 06:51:19 AM |
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"Tiger" <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43AFD0BF.2A95A4E9@hotmail.com...
In other words Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters,
Cynthia Mc Kenny, Chuck Shummer, Ray Negan,Cindi Shehan, Al Sharpton,
***** Durbin, etc. are examples of Sanity????????
Well not Sharpton or McKinney, and I don't know who "Ray Negan" is, but the
rest of them, yes, quite so.
And it's "Schumer" by the way.
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| User: "Joseph Welch" |
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26 Dec 2005 06:05:07 AM |
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"Tiger" <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43AFD0BF.2A95A4E9@hotmail.com...
In other words Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters,
Cynthia Mc Kenny, Chuck Shummer, Ray Negan,Cindi Shehan, Al Sharpton,
***** Durbin, etc. are examples of Sanity????????
Yes. Why would you suggest otherwise?
You may not always agree with what these people have to say - but they're
not "insane". "Insane" is believing that being President makes you above
the law - or supporting a President who thinks he's above the law.
--
JW
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"You've done enough. Have you no sense of decency, sir, at long last? Have
you left no sense of decency?"
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/welch-mccarthy.html
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| User: "Dan Kimmel" |
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26 Dec 2005 06:53:55 AM |
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"Joseph Welch" <seattledemocracy@freewebspace.com> wrote in message
news:T%Qrf.8291$jV1.1768@fe04.buzzardnews.com...
"Tiger" <Lana_sands@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:43AFD0BF.2A95A4E9@hotmail.com...
In other words Howard Dean, Ted Kennedy, Nancy Pelosi, Maxine Waters,
Cynthia Mc Kenny, Chuck Shummer, Ray Negan,Cindi Shehan, Al Sharpton,
***** Durbin, etc. are examples of Sanity????????
Yes. Why would you suggest otherwise?
Well, in the case of McKinney or Sharpton it might be from having heard
them.
You may not always agree with what these people have to say - but they're
not "insane". "Insane" is believing that being President makes you above
the law - or supporting a President who thinks he's above the law.
The legal definition of "insanity" (which has no medical definition; it IS a
legal term) is not being able to understand the difference between right and
wrong.
In that sense you are correct. Bush is without question insane.
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| User: "enialle" |
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26 Dec 2005 11:28:52 AM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 23:34:14 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
The members of the House Judiciary Committee who staged the
impeachment of President Clinton ought to be as outraged at this
situation.
people forget the investigation by Starr was originally about the
white water real estate deal which happened *years* before Clinton was
president. It was nothing but a witch hunt to find ANYTHING to impeach
a duly elected sitting president because the right was pissed he was
our president. Finally, they found a way to dupe the president into
lying under oath ob out a ***** no less so they can get him on a
perjury charge. Lying about a freakin *****? That's it. That's what
tied up our congress' attention for years and prevented Clinton from
doing his job. What freakin boobs and hateful ugly little bastards the
pugs are.
NO one should be surprised that this is the very same ugly and petty
party that is now being caught in massive counts of money laundering,
accepting bribes and all sorts of campaign violations. We also find
out while these very same pugs are spewing homophobic rants they
themselves are gay. All of this hate, greed and corruptions is wrapped
in faux patriotism and Christianity.
To me these pugs and their corruption and hypocrisy are a 100 times
more egregious. It shows us the right wing to be what they really
are-- self-serving low lifes who do not represent anyone but
themselves.
Add this to the obviously stolen elections in 2000 and 2004 by those
same greedy self serving pugs and you see a party that can't get any
more corrupt. Why anyone supports them now given all the revelations
is amazing to me.
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