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14 Aug 2006 08:02:22 AM |
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What in the world are we doing in Iraq? |
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration’s disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens’
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We’re in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it’s
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That’s true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that’s
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it’s not true that the United States is trying to humiliate the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it’s time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
Will Rogers
Harry
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14 Aug 2006 08:34:01 PM |
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Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
The only legitimate enemy of America are Bush Republicans.
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14 Aug 2006 08:20:07 AM |
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guant=E1namo Bay, Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
=20
Will Rogers
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Harry
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we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight =
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Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists he is =
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Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have =
forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that =
the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or =
inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which =
Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic =
war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that =
the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may =
be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a =
foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush =
administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in =
the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching =
their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that =
not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and =
that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the =
Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate =
the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition =
and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guant=E1namo Bay, =
Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter =
this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in =
funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it =
is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
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"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message
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we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
No, we're not.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight our
army are the same ones that would have come to america to blow us up if Bush
had not attacked them?
No, they're not.
Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists
No, he wasn't.
he is gone and little by littel the bad guys are being killed OVER THERE
NOT OVER HERE!
And we're making new ones three times as fast.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
We get that you're barely smart enough to type, that's about it.
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
Will Rogers
Harry
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YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON=20
IT TAKES YEARS OF BRAIN WASHINMG TO MAKE AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST,
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN THINKS OUR BEING IN IRAQ TO =
BRING THEM FREEDOM IS WHY THE TERRORISTS ARE FIGHING US?
AL QUIDA SECOND IN COMMAND WAS COMMUNICATING WITH AND HELPING ZARKOWI =
BEFORE WE KILLED HIM, IS THAT HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT THERE IN IRAQ?
THERE WERE TRAINING SITES IN NORTHERN IRAQ FOR TERRORISTS AND WHEN =
ZARKOWI WAS SHOT IN AFGANISTSN HE CAME TO IRAQ TO GET TREATEMENT AND BE =
SAFE UNDER SADDAMS PROTECTION.
IS THIS HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT CONNECTED TO IRAQ? YOU LIBERAL LEFT =
WING SISSY JERK!!!@
THE WHOLE COUNTRY (USA) KNOWS DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS AND WORTHLESS =
WHEN IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE USA.
YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRAT NEW YORK TIMES EVEN RELEASES OUR SECRETS SO THE =
TERRORISTS CAN GET MONEY TO EACH OTHER?
AND YOU THINK AMERICANS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR GUTLESS DEMOCRATS COME =
THE NEXT ELECTION?
NOT ON YOUR LIFE BOZO!!!!!!
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message =
news:ebqafk$p6n$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message=20
news:hB1Eg.7181$5M.4795@trnddc02...
we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
No, we're not.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight =
our=20
army are the same ones that would have come to america to blow us up =
if Bush=20
had not attacked them?
No, they're not.
Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists
No, he wasn't.
he is gone and little by littel the bad guys are being killed OVER =
THERE=20
NOT OVER HERE!
And we're making new ones three times as fast.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
We get that you're barely smart enough to type, that's about it.
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message=20
news:1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have =
forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that =
the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or =
inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which =
Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic =
war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that =
the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may =
be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a =
foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush =
administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in =
the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching =
their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that =
not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and =
that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the =
Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate =
the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition =
and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guant=E1namo Bay, =
Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter =
this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in =
funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it =
is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
Will Rogers
Harry=20
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wrote in message <BR><A=20
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we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.<BR><BR> No, =
we're=20
not.<BR><BR><BR> did it not occur to you that the =
terrorists=20
coming to Iraq to fight our <BR>army are the same ones that would have =
come to=20
america to blow us up if Bush <BR>had not attacked them?<BR><BR> =
No,=20
they're not.<BR><BR><BR> Saddam =
was a=20
major source of funding for the terrorists<BR><BR> No, he=20
wasn't.<BR><BR><BR> he is gone and little by littel the bad guys =
are=20
being killed OVER THERE <BR>NOT OVER HERE!<BR><BR> And we're =
making new=20
ones three times as fast.<BR><BR><BR> DO YOU =
GET IT=20
NOW?<BR><BR> We get that you're barely smart enough to type, =
that's=20
about it.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><<A=20
href=3D"mailto:zzbunker@netscape.net">zzbunker@netscape.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message <BR><A=20
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Hope wrote:<BR>> From The New York Times, 8/14/06:<BR>> <A=20
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href=3D"http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html">http=
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t;=20
Aiding Our Enemies<BR>><BR>> By BOB =
HERBERT<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have =
forgotten<BR>>=20
your aim."<BR>><BR>> George Santayana<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
Here we go=20
again.<BR>><BR>> I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for =
the=20
political<BR>> exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if =
voters will=20
begin to<BR>> show some awareness of the fact that they have been=20
cynically<BR>> manipulated, and that our current policies have been =
disastrously<BR>> counterproductive.<BR>><BR>> The disrupted =
plot to=20
blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for<BR>> the United =
States was a=20
reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the<BR>> threat of =
terror=20
remains both real and imminent.<BR>><BR>> And it was a reminder =
that the=20
greatest danger to Americans here at<BR>> home continues to be an =
attack by=20
a group affiliated with, or inspired<BR>> by, Al =
Qaeda.<BR>><BR>>=20
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in =
Iraq?<BR>><BR>>=20
There was something pathetic about the delight with which =
Republicans<BR>>=20
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield =
it<BR>>=20
like a whip against their Democratic foes.<BR>><BR>> The G.O.P. =
message=20
seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was<BR>> somehow proof =
that=20
the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with<BR>> the Bush=20
administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any<BR>> Democrat =
who=20
demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.<BR>><BR>> The truth, of =
course,=20
is that the demolition derby policies of the<BR>> Bush =
administration are=20
creating enemies of the United States, not<BR>> defeating=20
them.<BR>><BR>> It cannot be said often enough, for example, =
that the=20
catastrophic war<BR>> in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens =
of=20
thousands, was a<BR>> strategic mistake of the highest=20
magnitude.<BR><BR> But it was am entirely new kind of =
geopolicial=20
babble strategtic<BR>mistake.<BR> It was a Newspeak =
mistake,=20
rather a New York Post mistake.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> It =
diverted our=20
focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al<BR>> Qaeda and =
its=20
offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically<BR>> important to =
the=20
Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for<BR>>=20
terrorists.<BR>><BR>> Almost three years ago, in the immediate =
aftermath=20
of the bombing of<BR>> the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, =
Jessica=20
Stern, who<BR>> lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New =
York=20
Times that the<BR>> U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the =
situation the=20
Bush<BR>> administration has described as a breeding ground for =
terrorists:=20
a<BR>> state unable to control its borders or provide for its=20
citizens'<BR>> rudimentary needs."<BR>><BR>> Ms. Stern went =
on to=20
say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,<BR>> the effect =
that the=20
war has had on terrorist recruitment around the<BR>> globe may be =
even more=20
worrisome."<BR>><BR>> The situation has grown only worse since=20
then.<BR>><BR>> While Republicans are savoring the political=20
possibilities of a foiled<BR>> terror plot, the spiraling chaos in =
Iraq and=20
other Bush administration<BR>> policies are contributing mightily =
to the=20
anger and radicalism in the<BR>> Muslim world.<BR>><BR>> Ms. =
Stern,=20
the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious<BR>> =
Militants=20
Kill," said in an interview last week:<BR>><BR>> "We're in a =
world where=20
Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their<BR>> followers that =
they have=20
been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's<BR>> true that Islamic=20
civilization has fallen behind economically,<BR>> intellectually,=20
politically. It was once the greatest civilization.<BR>> That's =
true. But=20
the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not<BR>> only is =
this=20
humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that's<BR>> us. =
They say=20
that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic<BR>> world =
and=20
humiliate Muslims."<BR>><BR>> While it's not true that the =
United States=20
is trying to humiliate the<BR>> Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I =
think that=20
as we contemplate our<BR>> policy remedies today, we also need to =
think=20
about how they may<BR>> ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies =
to=20
recruit."<BR>><BR>> The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies =
like=20
torture, rendition and<BR>> the incarceration of Muslims without =
trial at=20
Guant=E1namo Bay, Cuba,<BR>> serve only to strengthen the appeal of =
militants=20
who are<BR>> single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of =
American=20
lives.<BR>><BR>> The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its =
efforts=20
to counter this<BR>> mortal threat.<BR>><BR>> We should be =
focused=20
like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type<BR>>=20
terrorism.<BR>><BR>> We need to ramp up our security efforts =
here at=20
home.<BR>><BR>> (Even as the terror plot in Britain was =
emerging, the=20
Bush<BR>> administration was trying to eliminate millions of =
dollars in=20
funding<BR>> for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked =
that=20
effort.)<BR><BR> That's largely Bush already knew that The =
US=20
Congress<BR> had already turned The US Airlines into =
flying psycho=20
wards with<BR>their<BR> fifty previous generations of=20
billion-dollar explosives detection<BR> =20
technology.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>><BR>> We need a new =
approach to=20
foreign policy that draws on the wisest<BR>> heads both here and=20
abroad.<BR>><BR>> And we need a strategy for withdrawal from=20
Iraq.<BR>><BR>> In a world that is growing more dangerous by the =
hour,=20
it's time to<BR>> try something new.<BR>><BR>>=20
=
________________________________________________________<BR>><BR>> =
"It's=20
no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it =
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"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message
news:to2Eg.2168$9v1.2136@trnddc07...
YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON
I'm not the one posting to a newsgroup in rich text mode. lol
IT TAKES YEARS OF BRAIN WASHINMG TO MAKE AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST,
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN THINKS OUR BEING IN IRAQ TO BRING
THEM FREEDOM
rofl Someone hasn't been reading the news. We brought them islamic law,
thanks.
IS WHY THE TERRORISTS ARE FIGHING US?
AL QUIDA SECOND IN COMMAND WAS COMMUNICATING WITH AND HELPING ZARKOWI
BEFORE WE KILLED HIM, IS THAT HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT THERE IN IRAQ?
rofl Still less than 10% foreign fighters in Iraq.
THERE WERE TRAINING SITES IN NORTHERN IRAQ FOR TERRORISTS
Yep - where Saddam couldn't get them because of our no-fly zone. And we
refused to bomb it - twice - so Bush could go to war.
AND WHEN ZARKOWI WAS SHOT IN AFGANISTSN HE CAME TO IRAQ TO GET TREATEMENT
AND BE SAFE UNDER SADDAMS PROTECTION.
roflmao Same lies different day.
IS THIS HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT CONNECTED TO IRAQ? YOU LIBERAL LEFT WING
SISSY JERK!!!@
Don't talk to me, talk to the 9/11 commission, dipshit. Everyone knows
Iraq did NOTHING to help Al-Qaeda except you deluded nutbars.
THE WHOLE COUNTRY (USA) KNOWS DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS AND WORTHLESS WHEN
IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE USA.
k00k-a-d00dle-d0000!! Better check the polls, lieboy.
YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRAT NEW YORK TIMES EVEN RELEASES OUR SECRETS SO THE
TERRORISTS CAN GET MONEY TO EACH OTHER?
Same lies different day.
AND YOU THINK AMERICANS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR GUTLESS DEMOCRATS COME THE
NEXT ELECTION?
NOT ON YOUR LIFE BOZO!!!!!!
k00k on, k00kboy!
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message
news:ebqafk$p6n$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message
news:hB1Eg.7181$5M.4795@trnddc02...
we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
No, we're not.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight our
army are the same ones that would have come to america to blow us up if Bush
had not attacked them?
No, they're not.
Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists
No, he wasn't.
he is gone and little by littel the bad guys are being killed OVER THERE
NOT OVER HERE!
And we're making new ones three times as fast.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
We get that you're barely smart enough to type, that's about it.
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
Will Rogers
Harry
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CRAP AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE RIGHT?
YOU SIT AND READ YOUR LEFT WING WHACKO SITES AND YOU THINK ANYONE =
WITH A BRAIN IS GOING TO ACCEPT THE LIES AS EASILY AS YOU DO? =20
HILLARY COULD ***** IN YOUR FACE TELL YOU ITS RAINING AND YOU WOULD =
LOOK AROUND FOR AN UMBRELLA.
IF DEMOCRATS WERE NOT SO DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA WE WOULD LAUGH AT YOU =
BUT THE LAST DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE (CLINTON) GOT AMERICA ATTACKED 6 =
DIFFERENT TIMES AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT. =20
WE CANT AFFORD ANOTHER SISSYMAN PRESIDENT. =20
=20
=20
=20
..
YOU WERE CONVINCED YOU WOULD WIN THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS AS WELL.
=20
THE FACTS ARE OUT THERE FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH, =
NOT THE ***** DEMOCRAT LIES.
THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS MADE IT CLEAR THE TALKING POINT BS FROM =
THE DNC DONT MEAN A THING TO THOSE WHO THINK. =20
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message =
news:ebqcq9$ptv$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message=20
news:to2Eg.2168$9v1.2136@trnddc07...
YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON
I'm not the one posting to a newsgroup in rich text mode. lol
IT TAKES YEARS OF BRAIN WASHINMG TO MAKE AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST,
DO YOU REALLY THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN THINKS OUR BEING IN IRAQ TO =
BRING=20
THEM FREEDOM
rofl Someone hasn't been reading the news. We brought them islamic =
law,=20
thanks.
IS WHY THE TERRORISTS ARE FIGHING US?
AL QUIDA SECOND IN COMMAND WAS COMMUNICATING WITH AND HELPING =
ZARKOWI=20
BEFORE WE KILLED HIM, IS THAT HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT THERE IN IRAQ?
rofl Still less than 10% foreign fighters in Iraq.
THERE WERE TRAINING SITES IN NORTHERN IRAQ FOR TERRORISTS
Yep - where Saddam couldn't get them because of our no-fly zone. =
And we=20
refused to bomb it - twice - so Bush could go to war.
AND WHEN ZARKOWI WAS SHOT IN AFGANISTSN HE CAME TO IRAQ TO GET =
TREATEMENT=20
AND BE SAFE UNDER SADDAMS PROTECTION.
roflmao Same lies different day.
IS THIS HOW AL QUIDA WAS NOT CONNECTED TO IRAQ? YOU LIBERAL LEFT =
WING=20
SISSY JERK!!!@
Don't talk to me, talk to the 9/11 commission, dipshit. Everyone =
knows=20
Iraq did NOTHING to help Al-Qaeda except you deluded nutbars.
THE WHOLE COUNTRY (USA) KNOWS DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS AND WORTHLESS =
WHEN=20
IT COMES TO PROTECTING THE USA.
k00k-a-d00dle-d0000!! Better check the polls, lieboy.
YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRAT NEW YORK TIMES EVEN RELEASES OUR SECRETS SO =
THE=20
TERRORISTS CAN GET MONEY TO EACH OTHER?
Same lies different day.
AND YOU THINK AMERICANS ARE GOING TO VOTE FOR GUTLESS DEMOCRATS =
COME THE=20
NEXT ELECTION?
NOT ON YOUR LIFE BOZO!!!!!!
k00k on, k00kboy!
"ouroboros rex" <c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu> wrote in message=20
news:ebqafk$p6n$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu...
"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message
news:hB1Eg.7181$5M.4795@trnddc02...
we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
No, we're not.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight =
our
army are the same ones that would have come to america to blow us up =
if Bush
had not attacked them?
No, they're not.
Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists
No, he wasn't.
he is gone and little by littel the bad guys are being killed OVER =
THERE
NOT OVER HERE!
And we're making new ones three times as fast.
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
We get that you're barely smart enough to type, that's about it.
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message
news:1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have =
forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that =
the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or =
inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which =
Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic =
war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that =
the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may =
be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome."
The situation has grown only worse since then.
While Republicans are savoring the political possibilities of a =
foiled
terror plot, the spiraling chaos in Iraq and other Bush =
administration
policies are contributing mightily to the anger and radicalism in =
the
Muslim world.
Ms. Stern, the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious
Militants Kill," said in an interview last week:
"We're in a world where Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching =
their
followers that they have been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's
true that Islamic civilization has fallen behind economically,
intellectually, politically. It was once the greatest civilization.
That's true. But the terrorist leaders teach their followers that =
not
only is this humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and =
that's
us. They say that we have deliberately set out to destroy the =
Islamic
world and humiliate Muslims."
While it's not true that the United States is trying to humiliate =
the
Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I think that as we contemplate our
policy remedies today, we also need to think about how they may
ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies to recruit."
The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies like torture, rendition =
and
the incarceration of Muslims without trial at Guant=E1namo Bay, =
Cuba,
serve only to strengthen the appeal of militants who are
single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of American lives.
The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its efforts to counter =
this
mortal threat.
We should be focused like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type
terrorism.
We need to ramp up our security efforts here at home.
(Even as the terror plot in Britain was emerging, the Bush
administration was trying to eliminate millions of dollars in =
funding
for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked that effort.)
That's largely Bush already knew that The US Congress
had already turned The US Airlines into flying psycho wards with
their
fifty previous generations of billion-dollar explosives detection
technology.
We need a new approach to foreign policy that draws on the wisest
heads both here and abroad.
And we need a strategy for withdrawal from Iraq.
In a world that is growing more dangerous by the hour, it's time to
try something new.
________________________________________________________
"It's no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it =
is
a disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."
Will Rogers
Harry=20
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<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> YOU SIT AND READ YOUR LEFT WING =
WHACKO=20
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THE LIES=20
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<DIV><STRONG> HILLARY COULD ***** IN =
YOUR=20
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UMBRELLA.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> IF DEMOCRATS WERE NOT SO DANGEROUS =
FOR=20
AMERICA WE WOULD LAUGH AT YOU BUT THE LAST DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE =
(CLINTON) GOT=20
AMERICA ATTACKED 6 DIFFERENT TIMES AND DID NOTHING =
ABOUT=20
IT. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> WE CANT AFFORD ANOTHER =
SISSYMAN=20
PRESIDENT. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> =
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</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> </STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG>.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> YOU WERE CONVINCED YOU WOULD WIN =
THE LAST=20
TWO ELECTIONS AS WELL.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> THE FACTS ARE OUT THERE FOR =
ANYONE=20
WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH, NOT THE ***** DEMOCRAT =
LIES.</STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG> THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS =
MADE IT=20
CLEAR THE TALKING POINT BS FROM THE DNC =
DONT MEAN A=20
THING TO THOSE WHO THINK. </STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG></STRONG> </DIV>
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<DIV>"ouroboros rex" <<A=20
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A>>=20
wrote in message <A=20
=
href=3D"news:ebqcq9$ptv$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu">news:ebqcq9$ptv$1@news.ks.uiu=
c.edu</A>...</DIV><BR>"al=20
walker" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:alwalker7@yahoo.co">alwalker7@yahoo.co</A>>=20
wrote in message <BR><A=20
=
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c07</A>...<BR> =20
YOU ARE A COMPLETE MORON<BR><BR> I'm not the one posting =
to a=20
newsgroup in rich text mode. lol<BR><BR><BR> IT TAKES YEARS =
OF=20
BRAIN WASHINMG TO MAKE AN ISLAMIC TERRORIST,<BR> DO YOU =
REALLY=20
THINK ANYONE WITH A BRAIN THINKS OUR BEING IN IRAQ TO BRING <BR>THEM=20
FREEDOM<BR><BR>rofl Someone hasn't been reading the news. =
We=20
brought them islamic law, <BR>thanks.<BR><BR><BR> IS WHY THE =
TERRORISTS=20
ARE FIGHING US?<BR> AL QUIDA SECOND IN COMMAND WAS =
COMMUNICATING=20
WITH AND HELPING ZARKOWI <BR>BEFORE WE KILLED HIM, IS THAT HOW AL =
QUIDA WAS=20
NOT THERE IN IRAQ?<BR><BR>rofl Still less than 10% foreign =
fighters in=20
Iraq.<BR><BR><BR> THERE WERE TRAINING SITES IN NORTHERN =
IRAQ FOR=20
TERRORISTS<BR><BR> Yep - where Saddam couldn't get them because =
of our=20
no-fly zone. And we <BR>refused to bomb it - twice - so Bush =
could go to=20
war.<BR><BR><BR>AND WHEN ZARKOWI WAS SHOT IN AFGANISTSN HE CAME TO =
IRAQ TO GET=20
TREATEMENT <BR>AND BE SAFE UNDER SADDAMS =
PROTECTION.<BR><BR>roflmao Same=20
lies different day.<BR><BR> IS THIS HOW AL QUIDA WAS =
NOT=20
CONNECTED TO IRAQ? YOU LIBERAL LEFT WING <BR>SISSY=20
JERK!!!@<BR><BR> Don't talk to me, talk to the 9/11 commission,=20
dipshit. Everyone knows <BR>Iraq did NOTHING to help Al-Qaeda =
except you=20
deluded nutbars.<BR><BR><BR><BR> THE WHOLE COUNTRY =
(USA)=20
KNOWS DEMOCRATS ARE COWARDS AND WORTHLESS WHEN <BR>IT COMES TO=20
PROTECTING THE USA.<BR><BR>k00k-a-d00dle-d0000!! Better check =
the polls,=20
lieboy.<BR><BR><BR> YOUR LIBERAL DEMOCRAT NEW YORK TIMES EVEN =
RELEASES=20
OUR SECRETS SO THE <BR>TERRORISTS CAN GET MONEY TO EACH =
OTHER?<BR><BR> =20
Same lies different day.<BR><BR><BR> AND YOU THINK =
AMERICANS ARE=20
GOING TO VOTE FOR GUTLESS DEMOCRATS COME THE <BR>NEXT=20
ELECTION?<BR> NOT ON YOUR LIFE =
BOZO!!!!!!<BR><BR>k00k=20
on, k00kboy!<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>"ouroboros rex" <<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu">c-bee1@NOSPUMMYitg.uiuc.edu</=
A>>=20
wrote in message <BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:ebqafk$p6n$1@news.ks.uiuc.edu">news:ebqafk$p6n$1@news.ks.uiu=
c.edu</A>...<BR><BR>"al=20
walker" <<A =
href=3D"mailto:alwalker7@yahoo.co">alwalker7@yahoo.co</A>>=20
wrote in message<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:hB1Eg.7181$5M.4795@trnddc02">news:hB1Eg.7181$5M.4795@trnddc0=
2</A>...<BR> =20
we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.<BR><BR> No, =
we're=20
not.<BR><BR><BR> did it not occur to you that the =
terrorists=20
coming to Iraq to fight our<BR>army are the same ones that would have =
come to=20
america to blow us up if Bush<BR>had not attacked them?<BR><BR> =
No,=20
they're not.<BR><BR><BR> Saddam =
was a=20
major source of funding for the terrorists<BR><BR> No, he=20
wasn't.<BR><BR><BR> he is gone and little by littel the bad guys =
are=20
being killed OVER THERE<BR>NOT OVER HERE!<BR><BR> And we're =
making new=20
ones three times as fast.<BR><BR><BR> DO YOU =
GET IT=20
NOW?<BR><BR> We get that you're barely smart enough to type, =
that's=20
about it.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><<A=20
href=3D"mailto:zzbunker@netscape.net">zzbunker@netscape.net</A>> =
wrote in=20
message<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"news:1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com">news:=
1155561607.046281.116630@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com</A>...<BR>Harry=20
Hope wrote:<BR>> From The New York Times, 8/14/06:<BR>> <A=20
=
href=3D"http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html">http=
://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html</A><BR>><BR>&g=
t;=20
Aiding Our Enemies<BR>><BR>> By BOB =
HERBERT<BR>><BR>><BR>>=20
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have =
forgotten<BR>>=20
your aim."<BR>><BR>> George Santayana<BR>><BR>><BR>> =
Here we go=20
again.<BR>><BR>> I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for =
the=20
political<BR>> exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if =
voters will=20
begin to<BR>> show some awareness of the fact that they have been=20
cynically<BR>> manipulated, and that our current policies have been =
disastrously<BR>> counterproductive.<BR>><BR>> The disrupted =
plot to=20
blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for<BR>> the United =
States was a=20
reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the<BR>> threat of =
terror=20
remains both real and imminent.<BR>><BR>> And it was a reminder =
that the=20
greatest danger to Americans here at<BR>> home continues to be an =
attack by=20
a group affiliated with, or inspired<BR>> by, Al =
Qaeda.<BR>><BR>>=20
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in =
Iraq?<BR>><BR>>=20
There was something pathetic about the delight with which =
Republicans<BR>>=20
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield =
it<BR>>=20
like a whip against their Democratic foes.<BR>><BR>> The G.O.P. =
message=20
seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was<BR>> somehow proof =
that=20
the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with<BR>> the Bush=20
administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any<BR>> Democrat =
who=20
demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.<BR>><BR>> The truth, of =
course,=20
is that the demolition derby policies of the<BR>> Bush =
administration are=20
creating enemies of the United States, not<BR>> defeating=20
them.<BR>><BR>> It cannot be said often enough, for example, =
that the=20
catastrophic war<BR>> in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens =
of=20
thousands, was a<BR>> strategic mistake of the highest=20
magnitude.<BR><BR> But it was am entirely new kind of =
geopolicial=20
babble strategtic<BR>mistake.<BR> It was a Newspeak =
mistake,=20
rather a New York Post mistake.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>> It =
diverted our=20
focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al<BR>> Qaeda and =
its=20
offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically<BR>> important to =
the=20
Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for<BR>>=20
terrorists.<BR>><BR>> Almost three years ago, in the immediate =
aftermath=20
of the bombing of<BR>> the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, =
Jessica=20
Stern, who<BR>> lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New =
York=20
Times that the<BR>> U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the =
situation the=20
Bush<BR>> administration has described as a breeding ground for =
terrorists:=20
a<BR>> state unable to control its borders or provide for its=20
citizens'<BR>> rudimentary needs."<BR>><BR>> Ms. Stern went =
on to=20
say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,<BR>> the effect =
that the=20
war has had on terrorist recruitment around the<BR>> globe may be =
even more=20
worrisome."<BR>><BR>> The situation has grown only worse since=20
then.<BR>><BR>> While Republicans are savoring the political=20
possibilities of a foiled<BR>> terror plot, the spiraling chaos in =
Iraq and=20
other Bush administration<BR>> policies are contributing mightily =
to the=20
anger and radicalism in the<BR>> Muslim world.<BR>><BR>> Ms. =
Stern,=20
the author of "Terror in the Name of God: Why Religious<BR>> =
Militants=20
Kill," said in an interview last week:<BR>><BR>> "We're in a =
world where=20
Islamist terrorist leaders are teaching their<BR>> followers that =
they have=20
been humiliated. Well, first of all, it's<BR>> true that Islamic=20
civilization has fallen behind economically,<BR>> intellectually,=20
politically. It was once the greatest civilization.<BR>> That's =
true. But=20
the terrorist leaders teach their followers that not<BR>> only is =
this=20
humiliating, but somebody else is to blame -- and that's<BR>> us. =
They say=20
that we have deliberately set out to destroy the Islamic<BR>> world =
and=20
humiliate Muslims."<BR>><BR>> While it's not true that the =
United States=20
is trying to humiliate the<BR>> Muslim world, said Ms. Stern, "I =
think that=20
as we contemplate our<BR>> policy remedies today, we also need to =
think=20
about how they may<BR>> ultimately be used by our terrorist enemies =
to=20
recruit."<BR>><BR>> The debacle in Iraq, and inhumane policies =
like=20
torture, rendition and<BR>> the incarceration of Muslims without =
trial at=20
Guant=E1namo Bay, Cuba,<BR>> serve only to strengthen the appeal of =
militants=20
who are<BR>> single-mindedly dedicated to the destruction of =
American=20
lives.<BR>><BR>> The U.S. needs to be much, much smarter in its =
efforts=20
to counter this<BR>> mortal threat.<BR>><BR>> We should be =
focused=20
like a laser on the fight against Al Qaeda-type<BR>>=20
terrorism.<BR>><BR>> We need to ramp up our security efforts =
here at=20
home.<BR>><BR>> (Even as the terror plot in Britain was =
emerging, the=20
Bush<BR>> administration was trying to eliminate millions of =
dollars in=20
funding<BR>> for explosives-detection technology. Congress blocked =
that=20
effort.)<BR><BR> That's largely Bush already knew that The =
US=20
Congress<BR> had already turned The US Airlines into =
flying psycho=20
wards with<BR>their<BR> fifty previous generations of=20
billion-dollar explosives detection<BR> =20
technology.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>><BR>> We need a new =
approach to=20
foreign policy that draws on the wisest<BR>> heads both here and=20
abroad.<BR>><BR>> And we need a strategy for withdrawal from=20
Iraq.<BR>><BR>> In a world that is growing more dangerous by the =
hour,=20
it's time to<BR>> try something new.<BR>><BR>>=20
=
________________________________________________________<BR>><BR>> =
"It's=20
no disgrace not to be able to run a country nowadays, but it =
is<BR>> a=20
disgrace to keep on trying when you know you can't."<BR>><BR>> =
Will=20
Rogers<BR>><BR>> Harry <BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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"al walker" <alwalker7@yahoo.co> wrote in message
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OH OKAY YOU ARE A COMPUTER NERD AND KNOW WHAT RICH TEXT IS AND THAT CRAP
AND THAT IS WHY YOU ARE RIGHT?
No, but it sure as hell proves I'm a lot less likely to be the moron here.
YOU SIT AND READ YOUR LEFT WING WHACKO SITES AND YOU THINK ANYONE WITH
A BRAIN IS GOING TO ACCEPT THE LIES AS EASILY AS YOU DO?
Show me one of these lies. lol
HILLARY COULD ***** IN YOUR FACE TELL YOU ITS RAINING AND YOU WOULD
LOOK AROUND FOR AN UMBRELLA.
k00k-a-d00dle-d000!
IF DEMOCRATS WERE NOT SO DANGEROUS FOR AMERICA WE WOULD LAUGH AT YOU BUT
THE LAST DEMOCRAT IN OFFICE (CLINTON) GOT AMERICA ATTACKED 6 DIFFERENT
TIMES AND DID NOTHING ABOUT IT.
Simply a lie.
WE CANT AFFORD ANOTHER SISSYMAN PRESIDENT.
How come Bush pulled the military off Bin Laden in spring 2001 that Clinton
had put there?
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YOU WERE CONVINCED YOU WOULD WIN THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS AS WELL.
THE FACTS ARE OUT THERE FOR ANYONE WHO WANTS TO KNOW THE TRUTH, NOT
THE ***** DEMOCRAT LIES.
Let's see you quote one of these lies.
THE LAST TWO ELECTIONS MADE IT CLEAR THE TALKING POINT BS FROM THE
DNC DONT MEAN A THING TO THOSE WHO THINK.
Don't miss the second paragraph below, it's a killer.
On or about Jan. 20th, 2001, as the Clinton administration transitioned
to the Bush, NSC chief Sandy Berger briefed Condi Rice extensively on the
terrorism threat posed by bin Laden, telling her she would be spending
more time on this threat than she ever imagined. At the Dept. of Defense,
William Cohen was performing the same courtesy for Don Rumsfeld, again
with a sharp reminder of the terrorist threat in the form of a hand-written
letter to Rumsfeld containing the phone numbers of people in the Pentagon
Rumsfeld needed to speak to directly on the subject. On Jan. 26th, the CIA
confirmed to the new Bush administration that bin Laden and Al Qaeda were
responsible for the attack on the U.S.S. Cole which killed 17 American
sailors.
The response of the Bush administration was to cease Predator drone
surveillance flights to track bin Laden, reassign the cruise-missile
equipped submarine stationed in the Indian Ocean with the specific mission
of targeting bin Laden, reassign the AC-130 gunships on scramble alert that
could be on top of bin Laden after a six hour flight, suspend the special
forces operations targeting bin Laden already based in Uzbekistan for the
purpose thanks to a treaty signed by Bill Clinton.
In May, June and July, the sole remaining Clinton appointee, CIA Director
Tenet, was frantic with concern over incoming intelligence indicating a huge
terrorist attack on American soil. Vice-President ***** Cheney was head
of a
new counter-terrorism task force, yet held no meetings. Attorney General
John Ashcroft refused FBI requests for hundreds of new agents to be assigned
to counter-terrorism; his concerns were drugs and pornography, yet in late
July he stopped flying commercial airliners due to a "threat assessment."
The general threat assessment was considered to be the most severe in
decades
according to CIA's Tenet; members of the Senate Intelligence Committee were
briefed on the situation on July 5th.
Also in July, an Arizona FBI agent wrote the 'Phoenix Memo,' expressing
concern about possible Al Qaeda members taking flying lessons in this
country towards the end of terrorist attacks. One of the two FBI officials
to see it before the attacks was New York counter-terrorism chief John
O'Neill; contemporaneous with the timing of this memo was O'Neill's remarks
to the authors of 'Bin Laden: The Hidden Truth,' wherein O'Neill expressed
his outrage with the Bush administration's thwarting of counter-terrorist
efforts in the interests of protecting its Saudi sponsors. John O'Neill
would soon quit the FBI in disgust, only to die at his new job as chief of
security at the WTC.
Also in July, the FAA rescinded the rule allowing airline pilots to be
armed,
a rule that had been in force since 1961.
August found George W. Bush 'vacationing' for the entire month in rural
Texas, while ***** Cheney similarly spent the month in rural Wyoming. On
August 1st actor James Woods as flying from Logan to Los Angeles, sharing
1st class with four Middle Eastern men, who ate nothing, drank nothing,
read nothing, nor slept the entire flight, only making occasional low
comments to one another. Woods remarked to the flight attendant that 'These
guys act like they're going to hijack the plane,' and once the plane landed
he repeated his concerns to the FAA. All four men were hijackers on Sept.
11th. On Aug. 6th, Bush himself was apparently finally briefed about the
specific threat of attacks on American soil. His vacation continued. On Aug.
17th, the Minneapolis FBI office arrested Zacarias Moussaoui, on the basis
of an expired student visa and very curious pilot training requests. FBI
field agents at this office were convinced of Moussaoui's intentions as a
terrorist, and repeatedly tried to obtain a FISA (Foreign Intelligence
Surveillance Act) warrant to search his computer. In early Sept., French
Intelligence informed both the CIA and the FBI that Moussaoui had Al Qaeda
connections. A FISA warrant remained ungranted against Moussaoui, even
though under Clinton and Janet Reno no FISA request had been refused.
As an interesting aside, before 9/11 Ashcroft was known to put in 3 1/2 day
work weeks at the Dept. of Justice. In the early months of the
administration,
FBI agents flew to Ashcroft's home in rural Missouri to obtain his signature
on a wire-tap for a terrorism investigation. Ashcroft was so displeased to
see the agents, he had them stand out in the cold while he sat in his pickup
to read and sign the documents.
On Sept. 4th, Cheney's counter-terrorism task force met for the first time.
According to the Pentagon's liaison for terrorism, Gen. Kerrik, Clinton's
had met almost weekly, but with Bush he "didn't see that same kind of
focus."
On Sept. 10, Diane Feinstein, a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee
briefed on July 5th, asked ***** Cheney's chief of staff Scooter Libby when
the administration would start focusing on these terror threats which had
so pre-occupied CIA's Tenet, the most severe in decades - she was told it
would have to wait another six months.
So, obviously, it's all Clinton's fault.
Pre-9/11 And The Bush Administration. It's All Clinton's Fault, Right?
by Kent Southard
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al walker wrote:
we are fighting the terrorists on their own streets.
did it not occur to you that the terrorists coming to Iraq to fight ou=
r army are the same ones that would have come to america to blow us up if B=
ush had not attacked them?
No it didn't, and it didn't occur to an idiot like Bush either.
Since that's how Augustus Casaer caught terrorists,
not morons like Bush, and The London Times Home Office.
Saddam was a major source of funding for the terrorists he is gone=
and little by littel the bad guys are being killed OVER THERE NOT OVER HER=
E!
DO YOU GET IT NOW?
<zzbunker@netscape.net> wrote in message news:1155561607.046281.116630@=
h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Harry Hope wrote:
From The New York Times, 8/14/06:
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/08/14/opinion/14herbert.html
Aiding Our Enemies
By BOB HERBERT
"Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten
your aim."
George Santayana
Here we go again.
I wonder if Americans will continue to fall for the political
exploitation of their fears of terrorism, or if voters will begin to
show some awareness of the fact that they have been cynically
manipulated, and that our current policies have been disastrously
counterproductive.
The disrupted plot to blow up as many as 10 passenger jets bound for
the United States was a reminder, as if we needed a reminder, that the
threat of terror remains both real and imminent.
And it was a reminder that the greatest danger to Americans here at
home continues to be an attack by a group affiliated with, or inspired
by, Al Qaeda.
That being the case, what in the world are we doing in Iraq?
There was something pathetic about the delight with which Republicans
seized upon the terror plot last week and began trying to wield it
like a whip against their Democratic foes.
The G.O.P. message seemed to be that the plot foiled in Britain was
somehow proof that the U.S. needed to continue full speed ahead with
the Bush administration's disastrous war in Iraq, and that any
Democrat who demurred was somehow soft on terrorism.
The truth, of course, is that the demolition derby policies of the
Bush administration are creating enemies of the United States, not
defeating them.
It cannot be said often enough, for example, that the catastrophic war
in Iraq, which has caused the deaths of tens of thousands, was a
strategic mistake of the highest magnitude.
But it was am entirely new kind of geopolicial babble strategtic
mistake.
It was a Newspeak mistake, rather a New York Post mistake.
It diverted our focus, energy and resources from the real enemy, Al
Qaeda and its offshoots, and turned Iraq, a country critically
important to the Muslim imagination, into a spawning ground for
terrorists.
Almost three years ago, in the immediate aftermath of the bombing of
the United Nations headquarters in Baghdad, Jessica Stern, who
lectures on terrorism at Harvard, wrote in The New York Times that the
U.S. had created in Iraq "precisely the situation the Bush
administration has described as a breeding ground for terrorists: a
state unable to control its borders or provide for its citizens'
rudimentary needs."
Ms. Stern went on to say, "As bad as the situation inside Iraq may be,
the effect that the war has had on terrorist recruitment around the
globe may be even more worrisome.&quo | | | |
