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Date: 06 Aug 2003 06:38:51 AM
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What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3
In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

It is unquestionably the most radical government in modern American
history, one whose ideology and actions have become so pervasive, and
are so unquestionably mirrored by the mass media here, that the
population seems to have forgotten what "normal" is.

George Bush is the first unelected President of the United States,
installed by a right-wing Supreme Court in a kind of judicial coup
d'etat. He is the first to actively subvert one of the pillars of
American democracy: the separation of church and state. There are now
daily prayer meetings and Bible study groups in every branch of the
government, and religious organizations are being given funds to take
over educational and welfare programs that have always been the domain
of the state.

Bush is the first president to invoke the specific "Jesus Christ"
rather than an ecumenical "God," and he has surrounded himself with
evangelical Christians, including his Attorney General, who attends a
church where he talks in tongues.

It is the first administration to openly declare a policy of
unilateral aggression, a "Pax Americana" where the presence of allies
(whether England or Bulgaria) is agreeable but unimportant; where
international treaties no longer apply to the United States; and
where-- for the first time in history-- this country reserves the
right to non-defensive, "pre-emptive" strikes against any nation on
earth, for whatever reason it declares.

It is the first-- since the internment of Japanese-Americans in World
War II-- to enact special laws for a specific ethnic group.
Non-citizen young Muslim men are now required to register and subject
themselves to interrogation. Many hundreds have been arrested and held
without trial or access to legal assistance-- a violation of another
pillar of American democracy: habeas corpus. Many have been taken from
their families and deported on minor technical immigration violations;
the whereabouts of many others are still unknown. And, in Guantanamo
Bay, where it is said that they are now preparing execution chambers,
hundreds of foreign nationals -- including a 13-year-old and a man who
claims to be 100-- have been kept for almost two years in a limbo that
clearly contravenes the Geneva Convention.

Similar to the Reagan era, it is an administration openly devoted to
helping the rich and ignoring the poor, one that has turned the
surplus of the Clinton years into a massive deficit through its
combination of enormous tax cuts for the wealthy (particularly those
who earn more than a million dollars a year) and increases in defense
spending. (And, although Republicans always campaign on "less
government," it has created the largest new government bureaucracy in
history: the Department of Homeland Security.) The Financial Times of
England, hardly a hotbed of leftists, has categorized this economic
policy as "the lunatics taking over the asylum."

But more than Reagan-- whose policies tended to benefit the rich in
general-- most of Bush's legislation specifically enriches those in
his lifelong inner circle from the oil, mining, logging, construction,
and pharmaceutical industries. At the middle level of the bureaucracy,
where laws may be issued without Congressional approval, hundreds of
regulations have been changed to lower standards of pollution or
safety in the workplace, to open up wilderness areas for exploitation,
or to eliminate the testing of drugs.

Billions in government contracts have been awarded, without
competition, to corporations formerly run by administration officials.
In a country where the most significant social changes are enacted by
court rulings, rather than by legislation, the Bush administration has
been filling every level of the complex judicial system with
ultra-right ideologues, especially those who have protected
corporations from lawsuits by individuals or environmental groups, and
those who are opposed to women's reproductive rights. It remains to be
seen how far they can push their antipathy to contraception and
abortion. They have already banned a rare form of late-term abortion
that is only given when the health of the mother is endangered or the
fetus is terribly deformed, and a large portion of Bush's heralded
billions to Africa to fight AIDS will be devoted to so-called
"abstinence" education.

Most of all, America doesn't feel like America any more. The climate
of militarism and fear, similar to any totalitarian state, permeates
everything. Bush is the first American president in memory to swagger
around in a military uniform, though he himself-- like all of his most
militant advisers-- evaded the Vietnam War. (Even Eisenhower, a
general and a war hero, never wore his uniform while he was
president).

In the airports of provincial cities, there are frequent announcements
in that assuring, disembodied voice of science-fiction films: "The
Department of Homeland Security advises that the Terror Alert is now .
.. . Code Orange." Every few weeks there is an announcement that
another terrorist attack is imminent, and citizens are urged to take
ludicrous measures, like sealing their windows, against biological and
chemical attacks, and to report the suspicious activities of their
neighbors.

The Pentagon institutes the "Total Information Awareness" program to
collect data on the ordinary activities of ordinary citizens (credit
card charges, library book withdrawals, university course enrollments)
and when this is perceived as going too far, they change the name to
"Terrorist Information Awareness" and continue to do the same things.
Millions are listed in airport security computers as potential
terrorists, including antiwar demonstrators and pacifists. Critics are
warned to "watch what they say" and lists of "traitors" are posted on
the internet.

The war in Iraq has been the most extreme manifestation of this new
America, and almost a casebook study in totalitarian techniques.

First, an Enemy is created by blatant lies that are endlessly repeated
until the population believes it: in this case, that Iraq was linked
to the attack on the World Trade Center, and that it possesses vast
"weapons of mass destruction" that threaten the world.

Then, a War of Liberation, entirely portrayed by the mass media in
terms of our Heroic Troops, with little or no imagery of casualties
and devastation, and with morale-inspiring, scripted "news" scenes--
such as the toppling of the Saddam statue and the heroic "rescue" of
Private Lynch-- worthy of Soviet cinema.

Finally, as has happened with Afghanistan, very little news of the
chaos that has followed the Great Victory. Instead, the propaganda
machine moves on to a new Enemy-- this time, Iran.

It is very difficult to speak of what is happening in America without
resorting to the hyperbolic cliches of anti-Americanism that have lost
their meaning after so many decades, but that have now finally come
true.

Perhaps one can only recite the facts, and I have mentioned only some
of them here. This is, quite simply, the most frightening American
administration in modern times, one that is appalling both to the left
and to traditional conservatives. This junta is unabashed in its
imperialist ambitions; it is enacting an Orwellian state of Perpetual
War; it is dismantling, or attempting to dismantle, some of the most
fundamental tenets of American democracy; it is acting without
opposition within the government, and is operating so quickly on so
many fronts that it has overwhelmed and exhausted any popular
opposition.

Perhaps it cannot be stopped, but the first step toward slowing it
down is the recognition that this is an American government unlike any
other in this country's history, and one for whom democracy is an
obstacle.

- Eliot Weinberger June 2, 2003
.

User: "Mark K"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 08:06:15 AM
"Arther Miller" <freethemedia2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message


What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany 8-5-3

Dear Germans, it's all your fault.
In the early nineteen thirties, Hitler couldn't stand the Jews taking over
Germany with their hard work, intelligence and networking, so he was very
unkind to them.
Many of them came over here, worked hard, became wealthy and powerful and
took over our political system and media. So now they have a bigger and
more powerful country they control, thanks to you and Hitler.
In addition you endowed them with invincible "anti-Semitism" and "holocaust"
power.
But do they thank you? No. They continue to be ungrateful to you and bad
mouth you, despite the blessings you have bestowed on them.
However, the greatest blessings you have conferred on them is to have
ensured the Foundation of Israel at the expense of the robbery, terrorism
and murder of the Palestinian people.
In this regard, we too have had the privilege to bless them by aiding and
abetting them in the robbery, murder and terrorism of the Palestinian
people.
For this great service we have granted ourselves the unique distinction of
joining them in being G-d's poor innocent-victim lambs.
.

User: "DDB"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 03:54:34 PM
"Arther Miller" <freethemedia2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3


In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

It is unquestionably the most radical government in modern American
history, one whose ideology and actions have become so pervasive, and
are so unquestionably mirrored by the mass media here, that the
population seems to have forgotten what "normal" is.

George Bush is the first unelected President of the United States,
installed by a right-wing Supreme Court in a kind of judicial coup
d'etat.

Here is the problem with this author right off the bat, he knows nothing of
how politics works in the US. Bush was elected by a majority of the
Electoral College e.g. each state based on its population is authorized a
certain number of electors and those folks cast their vote based upon who
won the state. Some states now award Electoral votes based no the percentage
of votes a candidate won, I think this is a much more fair approach. The
total number of Electoral Votes determines the winner. We do not elect
presidents via popular vote otherwise the politicians would only show up at
NYC, Dallas, Houston, San Fran, Miami, LA, well you get the point. The
president is the representative of the entire nation and therefore their
election could not be left to be elected by popular vote. If this moron
author had done any research he would have found this out and if he is
whining about the Florida election all he needed to do was search the Miami
Herald for the results of independent vote counts that occurred after the
election, they all came to the same conclusion, Bush had won Florida
election. The Electoral College votes that he received put him over the top
and he became president, just as a side note, if Gore had won his home state
Florida's vote wouldn't have been important at all.
He is the first to actively subvert one of the pillars of

American democracy: the separation of church and state. There are now
daily prayer meetings and Bible study groups in every branch of the
government, and religious organizations are being given funds to take
over educational and welfare programs that have always been the domain
of the state.

Bush is the first president to invoke the specific "Jesus Christ"
rather than an ecumenical "God," and he has surrounded himself with
evangelical Christians, including his Attorney General, who attends a
church where he talks in tongues.

Funny how that works isn't it? The same values that got the US involved in
WWI, WWII, The Korean war and many of Europe's little backyard problems e.g.
the Balkans are now used against the US. Seems to me the more dangerous
folks are those who believe in their own supremely instead of a Supreme
Being. With them what's good and right today has no bearing on what good or
right tomorrow or the next day, It sort of leaves them to with no compass
for guiding their day to day lives nor their nation.


It is the first administration to openly declare a policy of
unilateral aggression, a "Pax Americana" where the presence of allies
(whether England or Bulgaria) is agreeable but unimportant; where
international treaties no longer apply to the United States; and
where-- for the first time in history-- this country reserves the
right to non-defensive, "pre-emptive" strikes against any nation on
earth, for whatever reason it declares.

Simply put when another nation threatens ours with either organized military
action or by supporting terrorism at hurting the US why should we wait to be
hit first. The lesson learned from Pearl Harbor to Sept 11th is that the
damage and death delivered by waiting are to big a price to pay.


It is the first-- since the internment of Japanese-Americans in World
War II-- to enact special laws for a specific ethnic group.
Non-citizen young Muslim men are now required to register and subject
themselves to interrogation. Many hundreds have been arrested and held
without trial or access to legal assistance-- a violation of another
pillar of American democracy: habeas corpus. Many have been taken from
their families and deported on minor technical immigration violations;
the whereabouts of many others are still unknown. And, in Guantanamo
Bay, where it is said that they are now preparing execution chambers,
hundreds of foreign nationals -- including a 13-year-old and a man who
claims to be 100-- have been kept for almost two years in a limbo that
clearly contravenes the Geneva Convention.

These are not prisoners of war since they were not part of any organized
military in fact most weren't even Afghans but were from other countries. As
for the application of constitutional rights they are reserved for citizens
of the US those being detained at Guantanimo are all enemy combatents not
prisoners of war.


Similar to the Reagan era, it is an administration openly devoted to
helping the rich and ignoring the poor, one that has turned the
surplus of the Clinton years into a massive deficit through its
combination of enormous tax cuts for the wealthy (particularly those
who earn more than a million dollars a year) and increases in defense
spending. (And, although Republicans always campaign on "less
government," it has created the largest new government bureaucracy in
history: the Department of Homeland Security.) The Financial Times of
England, hardly a hotbed of leftists, has categorized this economic
policy as "the lunatics taking over the asylum."

Again he would do well to mind his own business. The major reason for the
deficit is that the economy went south and the government would have
collected tax revenue had the economy continued to boom and that is what
they bet. Let's not forget what the major impact on the econmy was, it was
the Sept 11th attacks. You remember that incident don't you it was because
of that sneak attack the we have those enemy combatants detained in
Guantanimo in the first place. When you make the conection his story sort of
goes all to hell doesn't it.
Let's talk about another aspect of the Clinton booming economy, the thieves
that came to power in coirporate America on his watch. It wasn't long after
he left office that they all started to surface and it was clear that they
all lied and had been doing so for many years. The many years indicates that
they were ying even during cleintons administration and he did nothing to
stop it. The state of California is in a mess today and stragly enough the
guy who Grey Davis selected to advise him was Clinton's economic advisor and
also made millions from ENRON. Clinton's economy was a paper lie and now we
are trying to pick up the pieces of a shatered economy because of it.


But more than Reagan-- whose policies tended to benefit the rich in
general-- most of Bush's legislation specifically enriches those in
his lifelong inner circle from the oil, mining, logging, construction,
and pharmaceutical industries. At the middle level of the bureaucracy,
where laws may be issued without Congressional approval, hundreds of
regulations have been changed to lower standards of pollution or
safety in the workplace, to open up wilderness areas for exploitation,
or to eliminate the testing of drugs.

It sure would be nice if he gave some clear examples of these alligations.


Billions in government contracts have been awarded, without
competition, to corporations formerly run by administration officials.
In a country where the most significant social changes are enacted by
court rulings, rather than by legislation, the Bush administration has
been filling every level of the complex judicial system with
ultra-right ideologues, especially those who have protected
corporations from lawsuits by individuals or environmental groups, and
those who are opposed to women's reproductive rights. It remains to be
seen how far they can push their antipathy to contraception and
abortion. They have already banned a rare form of late-term abortion
that is only given when the health of the mother is endangered or the
fetus is terribly deformed, and a large portion of Bush's heralded
billions to Africa to fight AIDS will be devoted to so-called
"abstinence" education.

Again this guy is an idiot the Sentate has to approve any Judicaial nominees
and so far the Democrats/Communist have blocked most of his candidates.
Again had this little worm of a man just bothered to check some well
documented and reported facts he would find that his position is clearly
wrong and that the systems of checks and balances are working.


Most of all, America doesn't feel like America any more. The climate
of militarism and fear, similar to any totalitarian state, permeates
everything. Bush is the first American president in memory to swagger
around in a military uniform, though he himself-- like all of his most
militant advisers-- evaded the Vietnam War. (Even Eisenhower, a
general and a war hero, never wore his uniform while he was
president).

Sure he did instead he went into the Air National Guard adn were did Clinton
go he ran off to Europe to lead anti war demonstrations.


In the airports of provincial cities, there are frequent announcements
in that assuring, disembodied voice of science-fiction films: "The
Department of Homeland Security advises that the Terror Alert is now .
. . Code Orange." Every few weeks there is an announcement that
another terrorist attack is imminent, and citizens are urged to take
ludicrous measures, like sealing their windows, against biological and
chemical attacks, and to report the suspicious activities of their
neighbors.

It is only ludicrous when the attacks don't occur, what would be more
ludicrous would be to keep them in the dark about terror threats all
together. What one does when these threats are elevated is their own choice
and should be based on where they live. I don't live in an area that I would
consider of any importance so i don't seal myself into a room but those who
live in areas that could be targets are well advised to stay informed and
ready.


The Pentagon institutes the "Total Information Awareness" program to
collect data on the ordinary activities of ordinary citizens (credit
card charges, library book withdrawals, university course enrollments)
and when this is perceived as going too far, they change the name to
"Terrorist Information Awareness" and continue to do the same things.
Millions are listed in airport security computers as potential
terrorists, including antiwar demonstrators and pacifists. Critics are
warned to "watch what they say" and lists of "traitors" are posted on
the internet.

Sure nuts list everything on the internet including this guys article after
all a news group part of the internet.


The war in Iraq has been the most extreme manifestation of this new
America, and almost a casebook study in totalitarian techniques.

Let's see Iraq knew what they need to do to comply with the sanctions they
agreed on condiction of a cease fire in golf war 1. the US was spending 15
billion a year since then to keep them bottled up, the international
community e.g. France began dealing with them as favorable trade partners
insuring that the economic sanctions were erroded in the name of
humanitarian aid and then never bothered to make sure the funds actually
were received by those suffering under the sanctions.


First, an Enemy is created by blatant lies that are endlessly repeated
until the population believes it: in this case, that Iraq was linked
to the attack on the World Trade Center, and that it possesses vast
"weapons of mass destruction" that threaten the world.

Yeah and the ratification of 1441 was just a cruel joke played on Iraq by an
international security organisation when they knew he didn't have any
weapons at all. Wake up man every one thought he had weapons and had France
authorized a more restrictive inspection regime as Bush had suggested in the
first place it never would have gotten this far.


Then, a War of Liberation, entirely portrayed by the mass media in
terms of our Heroic Troops, with little or no imagery of casualties
and devastation, and with morale-inspiring, scripted "news" scenes--
such as the toppling of the Saddam statue and the heroic "rescue" of
Private Lynch-- worthy of Soviet cinema.

Again wake up man all of the news I saw was reported live as it happened
with no time to clean it up.


Finally, as has happened with Afghanistan, very little news of the
chaos that has followed the Great Victory. Instead, the propaganda
machine moves on to a new Enemy-- this time, Iran.

No we get reports every day of the negative issues but nothing of the real
progress being made in Iraq. Kind blows a hole in his ***** statement.


It is very difficult to speak of what is happening in America without
resorting to the hyperbolic cliches of anti-Americanism that have lost
their meaning after so many decades, but that have now finally come
true.

His entire article was hyperbolic and carried very little truth.


Perhaps one can only recite the facts, and I have mentioned only some
of them here. This is, quite simply, the most frightening American
administration in modern times, one that is appalling both to the left
and to traditional conservatives. This junta is unabashed in its
imperialist ambitions; it is enacting an Orwellian state of Perpetual
War; it is dismantling, or attempting to dismantle, some of the most
fundamental tenets of American democracy; it is acting without
opposition within the government, and is operating so quickly on so
many fronts that it has overwhelmed and exhausted any popular
opposition.

He mentioned no facts and only made allegations. I wonder if like most
liberals, he hasn't even read Orwell and is only parroting the things he
heard from other liberal leaning media types.


Perhaps it cannot be stopped, but the first step toward slowing it
down is the recognition that this is an American government unlike any
other in this country's history, and one for whom democracy is an
obstacle.

***** this guy is a moron with a political axe to grind pure and simply.
He is probably pissed because Bush hasn't given in on everything like his
weak assed predecessor Clinton. I'd love this piece of shits email address
so I could take up my points with him directly..


- Eliot Weinberger June 2, 2003

.
User: "Barbara Walker"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 04:14:14 PM
"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:eWdYa.56315$It4.31704@rwcrnsc51.ops.asp.att.net...


"Arther Miller" <freethemedia2002@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1451cd92.0308060338.109f594a@posting.google.com...

What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3


In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

It is unquestionably the most radical government in modern American
history, one whose ideology and actions have become so pervasive, and
are so unquestionably mirrored by the mass media here, that the
population seems to have forgotten what "normal" is.

George Bush is the first unelected President of the United States,
installed by a right-wing Supreme Court in a kind of judicial coup
d'etat.


Here is the problem with this author right off the bat, he knows nothing

of

how politics works in the US. Bush was elected by a majority of the
Electoral College e.g. each state based on its population is authorized a
certain number of electors and those folks cast their vote based upon who
won the state. Some states now award Electoral votes based no the

percentage

of votes a candidate won, I think this is a much more fair approach. The
total number of Electoral Votes determines the winner. We do not elect
presidents via popular vote otherwise the politicians would only show up

at

NYC, Dallas, Houston, San Fran, Miami, LA, well you get the point. The
president is the representative of the entire nation and therefore their
election could not be left to be elected by popular vote. If this moron
author had done any research he would have found this out and if he is
whining about the Florida election all he needed to do was search the

Miami

Herald for the results of independent vote counts that occurred after the
election, they all came to the same conclusion, Bush had won Florida
election. The Electoral College votes that he received put him over the

top

and he became president, just as a side note, if Gore had won his home

state

Florida's vote wouldn't have been important at all.

That's all well and good, and yes, it's what the Constitution spells out,
but its wayyyyyyy too complicated for the Typical Democrat Voter (most of
whom have never even READ the Constitution, much less understood it) to
understand, and besides, it doesn't jive well with the Democrat Party's
AGENDA, which is the only thing the Democrat Party REALLY cares about. As
far as the Democrat Party is concerned, our laws and our Constitution can go
*F*CK* themselves.
.
User: "Ian Bailey"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 08 Aug 2003 01:56:35 AM
"Barbara Walker" <barbara.walker4@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<GceYa.55028$cF.19073@rwcrnsc53>...


Here is the problem with this author right off the bat, he knows nothing

of

how politics works in the US. Bush was elected by a majority of the
Electoral College e.g. each state based on its population is authorized a
certain number of electors and those folks cast their vote based upon who
won the state. Some states now award Electoral votes based no the

percentage

of votes a candidate won, I think this is a much more fair approach. The
total number of Electoral Votes determines the winner. We do not elect
presidents via popular vote otherwise the politicians would only show up

at

NYC, Dallas, Houston, San Fran, Miami, LA, well you get the point. The
president is the representative of the entire nation and therefore their
election could not be left to be elected by popular vote. If this moron
author had done any research he would have found this out and if he is
whining about the Florida election all he needed to do was search the

Miami

Herald for the results of independent vote counts that occurred after the
election, they all came to the same conclusion, Bush had won Florida
election. The Electoral College votes that he received put him over the

top

and he became president, just as a side note, if Gore had won his home

state

Florida's vote wouldn't have been important at all.



That's all well and good, and yes, it's what the Constitution spells out,
but its wayyyyyyy too complicated for the Typical Democrat Voter (most of
whom have never even READ the Constitution, much less understood it) to
understand, and besides, it doesn't jive well with the Democrat Party's
AGENDA, which is the only thing the Democrat Party REALLY cares about. As
far as the Democrat Party is concerned, our laws and our Constitution can go
*F*CK* themselves.

Speaking as a Brit who watched the 2000 election with some amusement,
I've done a lot of reading on both Florida election law and the
pronouncements of the US Supreme Court. It would appear that Florida
law was broken by allowing thousands of illegal votes coming in from
servicemen overseas long after the deadline, and the whole removal of
people from the register because their name is simialr to a criminal
in Texas bit is highly suspicious considering that most of them were
black.
And as for the Supreme Court, its ruling is gibberish when looked at
in context of the laws they apparently uphold. I don't have specific
references to hand, but can go get some if you want.
The only reason that the elction keeps coming back to be discussed is
that there are so many ambiguities. Bush was declared the winner by
537 bvotes, but only after the controvercies had their effect. And
only after the bizarre Supreme Court ruling to stop the count because
it may harm Bush's chances of being President.
As you say, Florida was irrelevant had Gore won Tennessee. Putting
that into a British context, it would like Tony Blair expecting to be
Prime Minister despite the fact that he lost his seat in the House of
Commons because the local voters for his constituency threw him out.
Out of interest, why not have people voting the way we do - a cross on
a ballot paper? Its difficult to screw those up.....
Ian
.



User: "Mark K"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 08:37:21 AM
"ELurio" <elurio@aol.com> wrote in message
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<< What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany >><BR><BR>
No. Everyone REMEMBERS what normal is. Sept. 10, 2001.
The German doesn't remember what took place the next day.

Yes, ELurio dearest, it was a terrible day, for Americans.
But, in a macabre way, it was a great day for Israelis and Jews because it
made their Holy War against the Muslims our Holy War.
And yes, we will remember it forever, like the Jews remember all the
persecutions of themselves, but naturally forget their own holocausts of
other peoples.
And we will also conveniently forget our aiding and abetting of the Israelis
in their robbery, terrorism and murder of the Palestinian people.
.
User: "Kel"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 10:38:49 AM
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<< What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany >><BR><BR>


No. Everyone REMEMBERS what normal is. Sept. 10, 2001.
The German doesn't remember what took place the next day.



Yes, ELurio dearest, it was a terrible day, for Americans.

But, in a macabre way, it was a great day for Israelis and Jews because it
made their Holy War against the Muslims our Holy War.

And yes, we will remember it forever, like the Jews remember all the
persecutions of themselves, but naturally forget their own holocausts of
other peoples.

And we will also conveniently forget our aiding and abetting of the

Israelis

in their robbery, terrorism and murder of the Palestinian people.

That's wonderful Mark. An American who can see. There is hope for the world.
But not until the monkey moves on!
.

User: "Brian"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 12:49:38 PM
Mark K wrote:

"ELurio" <elurio@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030806084327.29613.00000084@mb-m17.aol.com...

<< What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany >><BR><BR>


No. Everyone REMEMBERS what normal is. Sept. 10, 2001.
The German doesn't remember what took place the next day.


Yes, ELurio dearest, it was a terrible day, for Americans.

But, in a macabre way, it was a great day for Israelis and Jews because it
made their Holy War against the Muslims our Holy War.

In other words, you just hate jews and have no problem lying about them.

And yes, we will remember it forever, like the Jews remember all the
persecutions of themselves, but naturally forget their own holocausts of
other peoples.

Such as?
Oh, right. Jews are responsible for everything bad in the world.

And we will also conveniently forget our aiding and abetting of the Israelis
in their robbery, terrorism and murder of the Palestinian people.

Its easy to forget fantasies that never happened.
.
User: "Mark K"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 01:04:17 PM
"Brian" <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F313FB2.D2288F39@erols.com...

<< What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany >><BR><BR>
No. Everyone REMEMBERS what normal is. Sept. 10, 2001.
The German doesn't remember what took place the next day.

Yes, ELurio dearest, it was a terrible day, for Americans.
But, in a macabre way, it was a great day for Israelis and Jews because

it

made their Holy War against the Muslims our Holy War.

In other words, you just hate jews and have no problem lying about them.

In other words you hate non-Jews and traditionally lie about them.

And yes, we will remember it forever, like the Jews remember all the
persecutions of themselves, but naturally forget their own holocausts of
other peoples.

Such as? Oh, right. Jews are responsible for everything bad in the world.

No, just the world's overachieving hypocrites and deniers.

And we will also conveniently forget our aiding and abetting of the

Israelis

in their robbery, terrorism and murder of the Palestinian people.

Its easy to forget fantasies that never happened.

Naturally, if it's not for the good of the Jews it's a fantasy.
.
User: "Brian"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 06:49:46 PM
Mark K wrote:

"Brian" <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F313FB2.D2288F39@erols.com...

<< What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany >><BR><BR>


No. Everyone REMEMBERS what normal is. Sept. 10, 2001.
The German doesn't remember what took place the next day.


Yes, ELurio dearest, it was a terrible day, for Americans.
But, in a macabre way, it was a great day for Israelis and Jews because

it

made their Holy War against the Muslims our Holy War.


In other words, you just hate jews and have no problem lying about them.


In other words you hate non-Jews and traditionally lie about them.

Thank you for lying.
Or, can you point out a single lie I told about anyone?
Didnt think so.

And yes, we will remember it forever, like the Jews remember all the
persecutions of themselves, but naturally forget their own holocausts of
other peoples.


Such as? Oh, right. Jews are responsible for everything bad in the world.


No, just the world's overachieving hypocrites and deniers.

As I expected.
No facts, just hate, lies and attacks.

And we will also conveniently forget our aiding and abetting of the

Israelis

in their robbery, terrorism and murder of the Palestinian people.


Its easy to forget fantasies that never happened.


Naturally, if it's not for the good of the Jews it's a fantasy.

.




User: "Nitro"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 11 Aug 2003 04:56:31 PM
(DJ) wrote in message news:<46b4d4d2.0308081233.72afc1bb@posting.google.com>...

People like you just don't get it. 9/11 changed everything. The new
enemy of the free world hides and plans sneak attacks. They Aren't in
charge of a country. We can't simply defend our borders. Preventive
mesures are necessary to protect the people of the USA.


9/11 changed nothing... and those that say so are very naive,

When has the USA gone against UN appoval in an act of war? When have
we been in direct violation of international law, and been accused of
this by most of our allies in a military operation? What has changed
is the way the USA will protect its people.

uninformed, or trying to protect their asses. It was this way before
9/11 and certainly as you say it is this way after 9/11. It is the job
of our intelligence to stay on top of security issues and I am 100%
sure they were aware of these types of attacks before 9/11.

Sure they were, but they wouldn't attack Iraq if most allies were
totally against it.


During our disaster planning and security tests, we use to send folks
out to various data centers to try to break the security. We always
had people on staff that were in tune with people that wanted to break
our security... they were skeptical of everything and they had to be
thinking about every possible attack, the likelihood, prevention,
backup and recovery.

What do you think was behind the US Department of Defense project that
created the Internet... it was all part of disaster recovery if the
network was partially destroyed by bombs or other disasters and still
function... so even if you don't hear about possible types of attacks,
doesn't mean that our intelligence agencies don't know... and
certainly people in other countries have known.

Intelligence hasn't changed. And yes, they knew about those types of
attacks, and were even warned about it (along with 20,000 other
threats). But, striking an enemy, to enter into a major confilct,
without any current proof is new. Major preventive strikes is what
the gov't has committed to in the post 9/11 world, and that is a new
way of thinking for the USA. Good or bad.


DJ

--

.

User: "MarkK"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 09 Aug 2003 04:26:18 AM
(Nitro) wrote in message news:<fe33cbe9.0308070929.51baacf1@posting.google.com>...

People like you just don't get it. 9/11 changed everything.

Why? There have been "terrorist" attacks happening worldwide for
decades, the yank funded IRA being the closest to my particular home.

The new
enemy of the free world hides and plans sneak attacks.

Nope, Israel and the US are quite blatant with their destruction
methods. The US inflicts most of it.

They Aren't in
charge of a country. We can't simply defend our borders. Preventive
mesures are necessary to protect the people of the USA.

Duh, you really think that bombing other countries prevents terrorism
instead of pissing them off and creating even more recruits for them ?
Anyway, you barely even started defending your borders.
It's because your crackpot govt isn't really interested in "defence"
of the Heimatland.
Their agenda is world domination, as they blatantly and clearly
announced in 1997 in "The Project For The New American Century". Here
is their website, note Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Cheney are among the
signatories:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm


Bush is popular in the USA becuase he stayed strong on the war against
terrorism, despite others who tried to stand in the way. And yes, the
Iraq war was directly related to the war on terrorism.

I have to put your comment down to years of brainwashing by your
jewsmedia, no average person could be that naive. They had many
reasons for conquering Iraq, wmds and terrorism is the hyped *****
they used to drag the dumb masses like you behind them.


By the way, don't forget, these muslim terrorists hate GB, France,
Germany, and Russia, too. They are next on the hit list.

More likely mossad will do one and pretend it's the Muslims.
(another) Mark K.




In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

It is unquestionably the most radical government in modern American
history, one whose ideology and actions have become so pervasive, and
are so unquestionably mirrored by the mass media here, that the
population seems to have forgotten what "normal" is.

George Bush is the first unelected President of the United States,
installed by a right-wing Supreme Court in a kind of judicial coup
d'etat. He is the first to actively subvert one of the pillars of
American democracy: the separation of church and state. There are now
daily prayer meetings and Bible study groups in every branch of the
government, and religious organizations are being given funds to take
over educational and welfare programs that have always been the domain
of the state.

Bush is the first president to invoke the specific "Jesus Christ"
rather than an ecumenical "God," and he has surrounded himself with
evangelical Christians, including his Attorney General, who attends a
church where he talks in tongues.

It is the first administration to openly declare a policy of
unilateral aggression, a "Pax Americana" where the presence of allies
(whether England or Bulgaria) is agreeable but unimportant; where
international treaties no longer apply to the United States; and
where-- for the first time in history-- this country reserves the
right to non-defensive, "pre-emptive" strikes against any nation on
earth, for whatever reason it declares.

It is the first-- since the internment of Japanese-Americans in World
War II-- to enact special laws for a specific ethnic group.
Non-citizen young Muslim men are now required to register and subject
themselves to interrogation. Many hundreds have been arrested and held
without trial or access to legal assistance-- a violation of another
pillar of American democracy: habeas corpus. Many have been taken from
their families and deported on minor technical immigration violations;
the whereabouts of many others are still unknown. And, in Guantanamo
Bay, where it is said that they are now preparing execution chambers,
hundreds of foreign nationals -- including a 13-year-old and a man who
claims to be 100-- have been kept for almost two years in a limbo that
clearly contravenes the Geneva Convention.

Similar to the Reagan era, it is an administration openly devoted to
helping the rich and ignoring the poor, one that has turned the
surplus of the Clinton years into a massive deficit through its
combination of enormous tax cuts for the wealthy (particularly those
who earn more than a million dollars a year) and increases in defense
spending. (And, although Republicans always campaign on "less
government," it has created the largest new government bureaucracy in
history: the Department of Homeland Security.) The Financial Times of
England, hardly a hotbed of leftists, has categorized this economic
policy as "the lunatics taking over the asylum."

But more than Reagan-- whose policies tended to benefit the rich in
general-- most of Bush's legislation specifically enriches those in
his lifelong inner circle from the oil, mining, logging, construction,
and pharmaceutical industries. At the middle level of the bureaucracy,
where laws may be issued without Congressional approval, hundreds of
regulations have been changed to lower standards of pollution or
safety in the workplace, to open up wilderness areas for exploitation,
or to eliminate the testing of drugs.

Billions in government contracts have been awarded, without
competition, to corporations formerly run by administration officials.
In a country where the most significant social changes are enacted by
court rulings, rather than by legislation, the Bush administration has
been filling every level of the complex judicial system with
ultra-right ideologues, especially those who have protected
corporations from lawsuits by individuals or environmental groups, and
those who are opposed to women's reproductive rights. It remains to be
seen how far they can push their antipathy to contraception and
abortion. They have already banned a rare form of late-term abortion
that is only given when the health of the mother is endangered or the
fetus is terribly deformed, and a large portion of Bush's heralded
billions to Africa to fight AIDS will be devoted to so-called
"abstinence" education.

Most of all, America doesn't feel like America any more. The climate
of militarism and fear, similar to any totalitarian state, permeates
everything. Bush is the first American president in memory to swagger
around in a military uniform, though he himself-- like all of his most
militant advisers-- evaded the Vietnam War. (Even Eisenhower, a
general and a war hero, never wore his uniform while he was
president).

In the airports of provincial cities, there are frequent announcements
in that assuring, disembodied voice of science-fiction films: "The
Department of Homeland Security advises that the Terror Alert is now .
. . Code Orange." Every few weeks there is an announcement that
another terrorist attack is imminent, and citizens are urged to take
ludicrous measures, like sealing their windows, against biological and
chemical attacks, and to report the suspicious activities of their
neighbors.

The Pentagon institutes the "Total Information Awareness" program to
collect data on the ordinary activities of ordinary citizens (credit
card charges, library book withdrawals, university course enrollments)
and when this is perceived as going too far, they change the name to
"Terrorist Information Awareness" and continue to do the same things.
Millions are listed in airport security computers as potential
terrorists, including antiwar demonstrators and pacifists. Critics are
warned to "watch what they say" and lists of "traitors" are posted on
the internet.

The war in Iraq has been the most extreme manifestation of this new
America, and almost a casebook study in totalitarian techniques.

First, an Enemy is created by blatant lies that are endlessly repeated
until the population believes it: in this case, that Iraq was linked
to the attack on the World Trade Center, and that it possesses vast
"weapons of mass destruction" that threaten the world.

Then, a War of Liberation, entirely portrayed by the mass media in
terms of our Heroic Troops, with little or no imagery of casualties
and devastation, and with morale-inspiring, scripted "news" scenes--
such as the toppling of the Saddam statue and the heroic "rescue" of
Private Lynch-- worthy of Soviet cinema.

Finally, as has happened with Afghanistan, very little news of the
chaos that has followed the Great Victory. Instead, the propaganda
machine moves on to a new Enemy-- this time, Iran.

It is very difficult to speak of what is happening in America without
resorting to the hyperbolic cliches of anti-Americanism that have lost
their meaning after so many decades, but that have now finally come
true.

Perhaps one can only recite the facts, and I have mentioned only some
of them here. This is, quite simply, the most frightening American
administration in modern times, one that is appalling both to the left
and to traditional conservatives. This junta is unabashed in its
imperialist ambitions; it is enacting an Orwellian state of Perpetual
War; it is dismantling, or attempting to dismantle, some of the most
fundamental tenets of American democracy; it is acting without
opposition within the government, and is operating so quickly on so
many fronts that it has overwhelmed and exhausted any popular
opposition.

Perhaps it cannot be stopped, but the first step toward slowing it
down is the recognition that this is an American government unlike any
other in this country's history, and one for whom democracy is an
obstacle.

- Eliot Weinberger June 2, 2003

.
User: "Brian"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 09 Aug 2003 12:36:56 PM
MarkK wrote:

I have to put your comment down to years of brainwashing by your
jewsmedia,

Ok, so then you are just another ignorant hatemongering bigot.
Thank you for proving that you lack the intelligence to be able to handle rational, grown up
conversations.
You ignorance and your pathetic need to blame others for your own failure and incompetance labels you
unworthy of further notice.
Please, spew some bigoted insults about how I'm a jew lover, you anti-American piece of slime.
<PLONK>
.
User: "MarkK"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 09 Aug 2003 04:46:23 PM
Brian <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote in message news:<3F353138.C704066F@erols.com>...

MarkK wrote:

I have to put your comment down to years of brainwashing by your
jewsmedia,


A hugely diproportionate part of the western media is jewish
controlled, why don't you go and research that FACT instead of
accusing me of all manner of things you have been brainwashed into
accusing critics of Israel of.

Ok, so then you are just another ignorant hatemongering bigot.

Zilch to do with bigotry, when a minority controls much of the media,
opinion will be skewed to the one-sided viewpoints of that minority.

Thank you for proving that you lack the intelligence to be able to handle rational, grown up
conversations.

Go do some research.

You ignorance and your pathetic need to blame others for your own failure and incompetance labels you
unworthy of further notice.

And what failure would that be?

Please, spew some bigoted insults about how I'm a jew lover, you anti-American piece of slime.
<PLONK>

Nope, you've been brainwashed, which is rather easy to do with control
of the media. You probably don't know the embarassing fact that
Communism was a mostly jewish invention, for example.
Mark K.
.



User: "Brian"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 12:46:07 PM
Arther Miller wrote:

What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3

In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

You should have posted this in "alt.conspiracy"
They actually believe the silly ***** you said above.
.
User: "Mark K"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 01:05:11 PM
"Brian" <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F313EDF.6A7B23E1@erols.com...



Arther Miller wrote:

What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3

In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.

You should have posted this in "alt.conspiracy"
They actually believe the silly ***** you said above.

If it's not for the good of the Jews it is silly *****.
.
User: "DDB"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 03:59:10 PM
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
news:rrbYa.80896$Ho3.10935@sccrnsc03...


"Brian" <olinshooter@erols.com> wrote in message
news:3F313EDF.6A7B23E1@erols.com...



Arther Miller wrote:

What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany
By Eliot Weinberger - Germany
8-5-3

In the Western democracies in the last fifty years, we have grown
accustomed to governments whose policies on specific issues may be
good or bad, but which essentially institute incremental changes to
the status quo. The major exceptions have been Thatcher and Reagan,
but even their programs of dismantling systems of social welfare seem,
in retrospect, mild compared to what is happening in the United States
under George Bush-- or more exactly, the ruling junta that tells Bush
what to do and say.


You should have posted this in "alt.conspiracy"
They actually believe the silly ***** you said above.


If it's not for the good of the Jews it is silly *****.

I'm not Jewish but I can tell you this author is full of ***** and if this is
indicative of the types of articles being spread in Europe, no wonder they
have their head up their collective asses. Everything that moron author
pointed out is a lie or at the very least has never been researched. He made
claim after unsubstantiated claim and no attempt was made to justify his
remarks, it's pure propaganda posing as thoughtful news. >


.
User: "DDB"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 04:22:49 PM
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
news:vbeYa.82203$uu5.8916@sccrnsc04...


"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:y_dYa.54903$cF.19362@rwcrnsc53...


I'm not Jewish but I can tell you this author is full of ***** and if

this

is

indicative of the types of articles being spread in Europe, no wonder

they

have their head up their collective asses. Everything that moron author
pointed out is a lie or at the very least has never been researched. He

made

claim after unsubstantiated claim and no attempt was made to justify his
remarks, it's pure propaganda posing as thoughtful news. >



You certainly the possess traditional emotional intensity and verbal abuse
prowess of a Jew.


Nope just plain spoken, there was nothing in the article but propoganda!
.

User: "Brian"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 06 Aug 2003 06:52:06 PM
Mark K wrote:

"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:y_dYa.54903$cF.19362@rwcrnsc53...


I'm not Jewish but I can tell you this author is full of ***** and if this

is

indicative of the types of articles being spread in Europe, no wonder they
have their head up their collective asses. Everything that moron author
pointed out is a lie or at the very least has never been researched. He

made

claim after unsubstantiated claim and no attempt was made to justify his
remarks, it's pure propaganda posing as thoughtful news. >


You certainly the possess traditional emotional intensity and verbal abuse
prowess of a Jew.

Are you ever going to say anything intelligent?
.




User: "Ingeborg Denner"

Title: Re: What Is Happening In America? Message From Germany 12 Aug 2003 02:41:13 AM
Jürgen Hubert wrote:


Nitro wrote:

People like you just don't get it. 9/11 changed everything. The new
enemy of the free world hides and plans sneak attacks. They Aren't in
charge of a country. We can't simply defend our borders. Preventive
mesures are necessary to protect the people of the USA.

I seem to remember that I heard that (in German) sometime in 1977...
inge
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- Mark Twain
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