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"Synchrodestinys Child" |
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07 Aug 2004 02:29:29 PM |
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"What Really Happened" Joins Pentagon Disinformation Chorus |
"Eyewitness Reports of a Plane Hitting The Pentagon
Posted Aug 6, 2004 07:05 PM PST
Just a reminder as the net is flooded with government disinformation
operatives trying tp muddy the 9-11 issue with bogus claims about passenger
jets and the Pentagon; numerous witnesses saw the 757 flying towards the
Pentagon. Not one saw it flying away. If the 757 did not hit the Pentagon,
where did it go? End of story."
I guess that makes me a "government disinformation operative". Even though
no one has a shred of evidence a 757 hit the Pentagon.
Funny, no one saw any 757 debris...or luggage...or...anything, really.
No 757 Hit The Pentagon
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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| Title: Re: "What Really Happened" Joins Pentagon Disinformation Chorus |
07 Aug 2004 09:52:17 PM |
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953E9362E8CBEspamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
"Eyewitness Reports of a Plane Hitting The Pentagon
Posted Aug 6, 2004 07:05 PM PST
Just a reminder as the net is flooded with government disinformation
operatives trying tp muddy the 9-11 issue with bogus claims about
passenger
jets and the Pentagon;
Just a reminder that Jason Gortician is a troll, and does not believe the
crap he spews.
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "Synchrodestinys Child" |
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| Title: Re: "What Really Happened" Joins Pentagon Disinformation Chorus |
07 Aug 2004 10:09:44 PM |
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"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in news:BzgRc.42833$gE.6762
@pd7tw3no:
"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953E9362E8CBEspamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
"Eyewitness Reports of a Plane Hitting The Pentagon
Posted Aug 6, 2004 07:05 PM PST
Just a reminder as the net is flooded with government disinformation
operatives trying tp muddy the 9-11 issue with bogus claims about
passenger
jets and the Pentagon;
Just a reminder that Jason Gortician is a troll, and does not believe the
crap he spews.
tim gueguen 101867
You're a liar, Tim. Please prove your assertion.
And I invite you to discuss the specifics of the Pentgon case, as well as
the ASCE report.
We both know I would mop the floor with you. That's why you stay away from
serious discussions.
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| User: "tim gueguen" |
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| Title: Re: "What Really Happened" Joins Pentagon Disinformation Chorus |
08 Aug 2004 02:58:01 PM |
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"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
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"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in news:BzgRc.42833$gE.6762
@pd7tw3no:
"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953E9362E8CBEspamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
"Eyewitness Reports of a Plane Hitting The Pentagon
Posted Aug 6, 2004 07:05 PM PST
Just a reminder as the net is flooded with government disinformation
operatives trying tp muddy the 9-11 issue with bogus claims about
passenger
jets and the Pentagon;
Just a reminder that Jason Gortician is a troll, and does not believe
the
crap he spews.
tim gueguen 101867
You're a liar, Tim.
Since I sincerely believe you are a troll I am not lying.
Please prove your assertion.
Your personal behaviour online and your continual morphing of indentities
are two of examples of what I consider evidence that you are a troll.
And I invite you to discuss the specifics of the Pentgon case, as well as
the ASCE report.
We both know I would mop the floor with you.
No, we both know I'm bored with you. Besides, there are plenty of people
willing to debunk your nonsense.
That's why you stay away from
serious discussions.
When you are actually interested in serious discussions please let us know.
tim gueguen 101867
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| User: "Hans \Mark\ Moleman" |
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| Title: Definitive Proof: No 757 Hit The Pentagon was Re: "What Really Happened" Joins Pentagon Disinformation Chorus |
08 Aug 2004 04:21:03 PM |
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"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in
news:dBvRc.53938$gE.34787@pd7tw3no:
"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953EE1692B677spamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
"tim gueguen" <tgueguen@shaw.ca> wrote in news:BzgRc.42833$gE.6762
@pd7tw3no:
"Synchrodestiny's Child" <master@mason.snuh> wrote in message
news:Xns953E9362E8CBEspamspamsnuhspam33@207.14.113.17...
"Eyewitness Reports of a Plane Hitting The Pentagon
Posted Aug 6, 2004 07:05 PM PST
Just a reminder as the net is flooded with government
disinformation operatives trying tp muddy the 9-11 issue with
bogus claims about
passenger
jets and the Pentagon;
Just a reminder that Jason Gortician is a troll, and does not
believe
the
crap he spews.
tim gueguen 101867
You're a liar, Tim.
Since I sincerely believe you are a troll I am not lying.
Ok. You are deluded, then.
; )
Please prove your assertion.
Your personal behaviour online and your continual morphing of
indentities are two of examples of what I consider evidence that you
are a troll.
None of which disproves any of my Pentagon evidence.
; )
And I invite you to discuss the specifics of the Pentgon case, as
well as the ASCE report.
We both know I would mop the floor with you.
No, we both know I'm bored with you.
That must be why you're posting to this thread, eh?
; )
Besides, there are plenty of
people willing to debunk your nonsense.
All of them seem to be failing miserably, Tim.
; )
That's why you stay away from
serious discussions.
When you are actually interested in serious discussions please let us
know.
How about you let me know when you are, instead.
; )
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Problems With the ASCE Report On The Pentagon Cast Further Doubt on 757
Story
By Jason Christie
8/8/2004
Three years after 9/11, there is still little to no evidence indicating a
757 struck the Pentagon. Indeed, there seems to have been no "official"
investigation into this topic at all. Many who claim a 757 hit the
Pentagon cite an American Society of Civil Engineers building study as
proof. I contend that the ASCE report, despite its assumptions regarding
the day in question, actually supports the belief that no 757 hit the
Pentagon.
The report, some sixty pages long, was released in January of 2003. Its
stated purpose was not to investigate the events that caused damage to
the Pentagon, but to examine the performance of the building after the
incident in question. It makes certain base assumptions regarding the
assumed presence of a 757, and works forward from there.
While there are an impressive number of PhDs behind the building
performance report, some of the logic is rather spotty, and the report
seems to include at least one falsehood. Other areas of the report openly
contradict the claims many have made in support of the 757 theory.
The most serious error in the ASCE report can be found in section 3,
"Review of Crash Information". Figure 3.3, a still frame from the
unofficial, yet released Pentagon security camera footage, incorrectly
labels the white smoke trail in the still "Approaching Aircraft". If the
many building performance experts on the panel who assembled the report
cannot tell the difference between a white, bumpy smoke trail and a 757,
their credibility is questionable, at best.
Figure 3.4 clearly shows an extension of the same smoke trail reaching
all the way to the Pentagon, which would make this "757" hundreds of feet
longer than a real 757. That is, of course, ignoring the fact that this
supposed 757 lacks any wings, a tail, or any marking that would indicate
it is an airliner.
In fact, the ASCE report is the only place I have seen this bumpy,
irregular smoke trail referred to as a 757. I believe this piece of
disinformation is deliberate. If it is unintentional, then the ASCE
should correct this report in order to save their credibility. There is
nothing in the still frames that remotely resembles a 757, so it is
difficult to believe a team of engineers could make a mistake of this
magnitude.
The ASCE report also aids supporters of the 757 theory by misrepresenting
the width of the initial impact damage. While the photograph in figure
3.8 indicates that only two windows, and a single column are missing from
the second floor, the drawing placed beside it (figure 3.10) shows a
total of four missing windows. This illustration does not correspond to
any known photograph. Its inclusion is yet another reason to doubt the
veracity of the report.
This is crucial, as the small size of the initial entry point, along with
the stunning lack of debris, is the main reason so many doubt the claim
that a 757 struck the Pentagon to begin with.
Careful reading of the report shows that only a single column and two
windows from the second floor were removed. This makes the width of the
damage at the top of the entry point somewhere between sixteen and twenty
feet. Of course, part of the top of the column is still evident in
photographs, which calls into question the possibility that a massive 757
inflicted the damage, yet left this piece of the building in position.
The damage to the first floor columns, based on photographic evidence and
the ASCE report text, shows only 5 columns were removed at that point.
However, figure 3.10, again, seems to show a much larger area of damage.
This confusion aids many 757 theorists by enabling them to claim,
falsely, that the entry hole into the Pentagon was one hundred to one
hundred and twenty feet wide. This figure, as revealed in the ASCE text
(section 6.1), actually refers to damage to the Pentagon's façade, and
not the actual entry hole.
Finally, the diagrams 6.2 and 6.3 show another fallacy of the 757 story,
and illustrate a dramatic lack of critical thinking on the part of the
report's authors.
The supposed exit point of the alleged 757 is commonly referred to as the
"AE punch-out". It was a circular hole approximately eight feet wide in
the rear wall of the Pentagon, where the remains of the aircraft are
claimed to have exited.
However, as diagrams 6.2 and 6.3 clearly illustrate, at least four
columns remained in place in front of the claimed exit hole. It is
difficult to imagine something with the size and mass required to create
this exit point weaving around the columns like a giant pachinko ball in
order to reach the rear wall and create this circular-shaped hole. This
facet of the damage in not questioned in the ASCE report. Furthermore,
the supposed 757 engines remain unaccounted for in the ASCE's study.
With these obvious holes in the 757 theory, and the lack of debris,
supporters of the 757 story are reduced to reliance on eyewitness
testimony. This testimony, hearsay evidence, would not even be allowed in
court unless presented by the eyewitness themselves, and certainly cannot
account for the lack of 757 debris or explain the other serious flaws in
the 757 theory.
There is an ambiguity to the World Trade Center case that allows for
endless debate on the issues involved. There is considerably less "wiggle
room" when it comes to the Pentagon, and that is probably why FEMA
neglected to study the Pentagon at all. A formal report on the cause of
the damage itself would have renewed debate, and put FEMA on the
defensive.
Unless definitive evidence indicating a 757 is uncovered, the most
logical conclusion that can be reached when studying all of the available
evidence is that no 757 hit the Pentagon, and a subsequent cover-up was
attempted. And of course, if no 757 struck the Pentagon, then all of the
events surrounding 9/11 must be questioned. I invite all interested
parties to read the ASCE report for themselves and consider the many
flaws in this building performance report.
ASCE Report Online in PDF Format:
http://fire.nist.gov/bfrlpubs/build03/PDF/b03017.pdf
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