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"Roedy Green" |
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14 Feb 2004 10:18:10 PM |
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What Republican would have a chance in November? |
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the Republican
standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
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| User: "James Monroe" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 03:30:59 AM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:18:10 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the Republican
standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
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| User: "Joe Myers" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 03:35:49 AM |
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"James Monroe" <nospam@lessspam.net> wrote
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
No way.
McCain is a man of integrity.
No dedicated Republican could vote for him.
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| User: "Steven Litvintchouk" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 12:01:50 PM |
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James Monroe wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:18:10 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the Republican
standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
No candidate could win with a divided party. And attempting to tear the
nomination away from an incumbent president is one of the most divisive
things you can do to a political party.
We saw that when Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 primaries
and tried to take the nomination away from him, the Dem party became so
badly split that they couldn't unify behind either one of these men in
time to stop Reagan.
We saw a similar thing in 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against Bush 41 in
the primaries. The GOP ended up badly split and this helped Clinton win.
-- Steven L.
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| User: "James Monroe" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 02:10:55 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
James Monroe wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:18:10 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the Republican
standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
No candidate could win with a divided party. And attempting to tear the
nomination away from an incumbent president is one of the most divisive
things you can do to a political party.
We saw that when Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 primaries
and tried to take the nomination away from him, the Dem party became so
badly split that they couldn't unify behind either one of these men in
time to stop Reagan.
We saw a similar thing in 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against Bush 41 in
the primaries. The GOP ended up badly split and this helped Clinton win.
-- Steven L.
All true, but McCain is a pretty well thought of guy.
I'm sure bush would never step aside for the good of the country or
party so it's not about to happen, but sill I believe McCain running
would lock up the white house for the republicans for a least another
four years.
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| User: "Republican Double Standard" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 02:15:05 PM |
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James Monroe <nospam@lessspam.net> wrote in
news:2fkv201mfu181mgu6dppq3bv55efrkcp01@4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
James Monroe wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:18:10 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the
Republican standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
No candidate could win with a divided party. And attempting to tear
the nomination away from an incumbent president is one of the most
divisive things you can do to a political party.
We saw that when Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 primaries
and tried to take the nomination away from him, the Dem party became
so badly split that they couldn't unify behind either one of these men
in time to stop Reagan.
We saw a similar thing in 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against Bush 41
in the primaries. The GOP ended up badly split and this helped
Clinton win.
-- Steven L.
All true, but McCain is a pretty well thought of guy.
I'm sure bush would never step aside for the good of the country or
party so it's not about to happen, but sill I believe McCain running
would lock up the white house for the republicans for a least another
four years.
Kerry/McCain?
--
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the
many tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as
the most damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and
owe equal allegiance to their country." (Colin Powell’s autobiography,
My American Journey, p. 148)
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| User: "James Monroe" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 05:27:42 PM |
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On 15 Feb 2004 20:15:05 GMT, Republican Double Standard
<bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote:
James Monroe <nospam@lessspam.net> wrote in
news:2fkv201mfu181mgu6dppq3bv55efrkcp01@4ax.com:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 18:01:50 GMT, Steven Litvintchouk
<sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net> wrote:
James Monroe wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 04:18:10 GMT, Roedy Green
<look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the
Republican standard and have a decent shot at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably
from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act or who demanded proof
on the Iraq war might appear sufficiently clean.
I think McCain would win in a landslide.
No candidate could win with a divided party. And attempting to tear
the nomination away from an incumbent president is one of the most
divisive things you can do to a political party.
We saw that when Ted Kennedy ran against Carter in the 1980 primaries
and tried to take the nomination away from him, the Dem party became
so badly split that they couldn't unify behind either one of these men
in time to stop Reagan.
We saw a similar thing in 1992, when Pat Buchanan ran against Bush 41
in the primaries. The GOP ended up badly split and this helped
Clinton win.
-- Steven L.
All true, but McCain is a pretty well thought of guy.
I'm sure bush would never step aside for the good of the country or
party so it's not about to happen, but sill I believe McCain running
would lock up the white house for the republicans for a least another
four years.
Kerry/McCain?
One of them would have to switch parties because the average
uninformed American voter is programmed to vote for a party, not the
candidate.
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 02:11:34 AM |
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Rabid Roedy's Clipping Service wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in
sight (e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick
up the Republican standard and have a decent shot at
winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act
or who demanded proof on the Iraq war might appear
sufficiently clean.
You're always worth a few chuckles, parroting the stuff you've
clipped as though they were your thoughts.
As they say, time will tell. Republicans will vote for the
President. Most independents will vote for the incumbent.
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any man,
woman or beast with a D beside his name. It's likely that Bush
will announce the capture of bin Laden and show us Iraq's mass
murder arsenal a couple of days before the election. Resentful
culls like you will howl like little kids. No one knows whether
the dirty trick will get enough of the independents' votes to
get him reelected.
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| User: "pkgojak" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 08:33:21 AM |
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"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9490BDD82A0thathillbillyyahooco@130.133.1.17...
Rabid Roedy's Clipping Service wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in
sight (e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick
up the Republican standard and have a decent shot at
winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act
or who demanded proof on the Iraq war might appear
sufficiently clean.
You're always worth a few chuckles, parroting the stuff you've
clipped as though they were your thoughts.
As they say, time will tell. Republicans will vote for the
President. Most independents will vote for the incumbent.
Who says?
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any man,
woman or beast with a D beside his name.
Which democrats?
It's likely that Bush
will announce the capture of bin Laden and show us Iraq's mass
murder arsenal a couple of days before the election.
It's time for the arsenal now. Not likely though..now or then it seems.
Resentful
culls like you will howl like little kids. No one knows whether
the dirty trick will get enough of the independents' votes to
get him reelected.
I thought the independents would vote for the incumbent?
You're not as smart as you think you are, Chuckles.
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| User: "shephed" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 10:01:40 AM |
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"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote in message
news:402f83fc_4@news.athenanews.com...
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9490BDD82A0thathillbillyyahooco@130.133.1.17...
Rabid Roedy's Clipping Service wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in
sight (e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick
up the Republican standard and have a decent shot at
winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act
or who demanded proof on the Iraq war might appear
sufficiently clean.
You're always worth a few chuckles, parroting the stuff you've
clipped as though they were your thoughts.
As they say, time will tell. Republicans will vote for the
President. Most independents will vote for the incumbent.
Who says?
Independents do, generally at exit polls and most questioners.
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any man,
woman or beast with a D beside his name.
Which democrats?
Pick one. Dems are the most hard core party line voters. This is mostly due
to the fact that they are the least informed voters, and the Dems want to
keep them that way.
It's likely that Bush
will announce the capture of bin Laden and show us Iraq's mass
murder arsenal a couple of days before the election.
It's time for the arsenal now. Not likely though..now or then it seems.
Why, because you say so? Are you a military stratagest or just another
internet-fed kook.
Resentful
culls like you will howl like little kids. No one knows whether
the dirty trick will get enough of the independents' votes to
get him reelected.
I thought the independents would vote for the incumbent?
Sadly a few will be swayed by people just like you.
You're not as smart as you think you are, Chuckles.
Pot, kettle, black.....
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 07:51:09 PM |
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"pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote:
"John Griffin" <thathillbilly@yahooie.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9490BDD82A0thathillbillyyahooco@130.133.1.17...
Rabid Roedy's Clipping Service wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him
in sight (e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could
pick up the Republican standard and have a decent shot
at winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced
himself reasonably from Bush. Others who opposed the
Patriot Act or who demanded proof on the Iraq war might
appear sufficiently clean.
You're always worth a few chuckles, parroting the stuff
you've clipped as though they were your thoughts.
As they say, time will tell. Republicans will vote for the
President. Most independents will vote for the incumbent.
Who says?
I forgot. It happens, though. Name familiarity is among the
biggest driving forces in any election among those who aren't
"aligned."
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any
man, woman or beast with a D beside his name.
Which democrats? I didn't get their names, but I've heard that
enough times recently that it seems to be policy.
It's likely that Bush
will announce the capture of bin Laden and show us Iraq's
mass murder arsenal a couple of days before the election.
It's time for the arsenal now. Not likely though..now or
then it seems.
It seems? How's that? Bush is a sneaky sumbitch.
Resentful
culls like you will howl like little kids. No one knows
whether the dirty trick will get enough of the
independents' votes to get him reelected.
I thought the independents would vote for the incumbent?
You're not as smart as you think you are, Chuckles.
Let me tell you about the word "most." Oh, ***** it...deaf ears,
especially on an obvious lamer, aren't worth the trouble.
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| User: "Roedy Green" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 03:22:55 PM |
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On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:33:21 +0800, "pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com>
wrote or quoted :
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any man,
woman or beast with a D beside his name.
What they mean by that is Democrats are voting primarily AGAINST Bush,
not for some Democrat. Thus even a sock puppet with the Democrat
label would be preferable to Bush. It is just a measure of the
intense hatred of Bush.
Remember how Republicans hated Clinton with a passion. Instead of
legislating, they sat around all day talking about how to get Clinton.
I never understood what it was he did that upset them so much. I do
however understand why the Democrats hate Bush so much.
--
Canadian Mind Products, Roedy Green.
Coaching, problem solving, economical contract programming.
See http://mindprod.com/jgloss/jgloss.html for The Java Glossary.
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| User: "Paul Revere" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 04:28:43 PM |
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In article <clov201tf6d7pinacijsvdi6a26cqv6kls@4ax.com>, see mindprod.com wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:33:21 +0800, "pkgojak" <pkgojak@mydeja.com>
wrote or quoted :
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for any man,
woman or beast with a D beside his name.
What they mean by that is Democrats are voting primarily AGAINST Bush,
not for some Democrat. Thus even a sock puppet with the Democrat
label would be preferable to Bush. It is just a measure of the
intense hatred of Bush.
Remember how Republicans hated Clinton with a passion. Instead of
legislating, they sat around all day talking about how to get Clinton.
I never understood what it was he did that upset them so much. I do
however understand why the Democrats hate Bush so much.
I don't hate Bush. In fact, I feel pity for him.
But the thought of his having 4 more years to attack our Constitution, our
economy, and whatever country next distracts him from the terrorists that
attacked us makes me fear for my country.
I am a Republican who will vote for whatever Democrat runs against him.
"I tell you, freedom and human rights in America are doomed. The U.S. government will lead the American people, and the West in general, into an unbearable hell and a choking life."
Osama bin Laden, October, 2001 (quoted in NewsMax.com 2/1/02)
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| User: "John Griffin" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 07:55:21 PM |
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Rabid Roedy Green wrote:
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:33:21 +0800, "pkgojak"
<pkgojak@mydeja.com> wrote or quoted :
Democrats openly boast that they'd mindlessly vote for
any man, woman or beast with a D beside his name.
What they mean by that is Democrats are voting primarily
AGAINST Bush, not for some Democrat. Thus even a sock
puppet with the Democrat label would be preferable to Bush.
It is just a measure of the intense hatred of Bush.
What they mean by that is that they'd be eager to do anything
that would damage their country if they could be sure that Bush
would be "collateral damage."
Remember how Republicans hated Clinton with a passion.
Instead of legislating, they sat around all day talking
about how to get Clinton.
I never understood what it was he did that upset them so
much. I do however understand why the Democrats hate Bush
so much.
No, you don't. Try to get serious.
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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15 Feb 2004 02:30:11 PM |
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pkgojak wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in
sight (e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick
up the Republican standard and have a decent shot at
winning?
McCain is probably the best bet. He has distanced himself
reasonably from Bush. Others who opposed the Patriot Act
or who demanded proof on the Iraq war might appear
sufficiently clean.
You're always worth a few chuckles, parroting the stuff you've
clipped as though they were your thoughts.
As they say, time will tell. Republicans will vote for the
President. Most independents will vote for the incumbent.
Who says?
Looks like the independents are abandoning Bush is droves.
When Kerry finally locks up the nomination, and he will,
the attention will turn to what can Kerry offer vs Bush.
Basically, Bush is dead meat. He lies about everything,
the economy sucks, jobs are not coming back, vast deficits are being
created and he wants more, he's a loser.
The real question is, post 2004, when Kerry is sworn in, and he will
be, who will start planning to remake the GOP and head into
2008 - 2012? McCain? Others?
Will the GOP abandon the PNAC neocons of Bush/Cheney? The
moron Delay/Frist deficit wing of the out of it GOP?
Will the Religous Right make a play for take over of the GOP?
Will new centrists appear? Will the deficit hawks and old
line economical conservatives be reborn?
Stay tuned. When the Bush/Neocon trash are swept from
the White House, the GOP will need a new game plan.
Bush dynasty ain't it. Neocon war without end is not.
Massive deficits as far as the eye can see is out.
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Losers to the right of me, losers to the left of me
and the air is filled with kooks.
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: What Republican would have a chance in November? |
15 Feb 2004 12:31:12 PM |
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Roedy Green <look-at-the-website@mindprod.com> wrote:
With Bush going down the tubes, and no good news for him in sight
(e.g. Mikey's movie Fahrenheit 911), who could pick up the Republican
standard and have a decent shot at winning?
Fred Phelps.
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Bush is an unelected fascist deserting dictator. Get over it.
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