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What You Don't Know About John Kerry
Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004
With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White
House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.
Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat
leader.
Denouncing America with 'Hanoi Jane': Although Wesley Clark and others have
attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry
is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.
He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the
likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.
He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's
about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be
president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.
Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted
it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.
Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.
Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington's
Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."
The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an
injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.
Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."
'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said
'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in
Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But
for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep
sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in
Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves
the best men of this country .."
U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be noted,
occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world
to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese
prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed
'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East
Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war."
Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a
protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.
Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang
on the wall of his office.
Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of
him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.
"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself
marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the
presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the
air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"
Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for
his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed
unnecessarily or in vain.
"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States
soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti.
They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the
Viet Cong enemy."
Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports
of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General
George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and
comfort to the enemy."
In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for
photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his
betrayal, have turned their backs on him.
The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S.
House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New
Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt
youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the
U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.
"Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from
libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on
its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry
the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their
efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the New
American reported.
Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.
Friendly with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.
As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in
1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers
designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the
panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.
"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA
issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi,
than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.
"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December
1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi
announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real
estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate
potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's
cousin."
The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal
worth $905 million.
Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes
that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities.
"Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented
it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's
repression would be counterproductive."
Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994,
five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against
linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights
record," Slate reported.
Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's
cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely
excludes and pushes China away."
Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of
enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force
China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."
More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes,
long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most
left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to Kerry.
According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6
percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. ***** Gephardt, 14 for Sen.
John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of
Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than
Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few
remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.
Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described
environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the U.S.
economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the
gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate to
the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future
wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP
Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference
of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked
President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This
treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe
restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that already
enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.
However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he
doesn't like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April
2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and
then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to
self-described greens.
Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the
president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones
society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.
Get out your wallets: One reason Kerry and Edwards did well in Iowa: Losers
Dean and Gephardt admitted they'd repeal all of the president's tax relief.
However, although Kerry has taken credit for middle-class tax cuts, child
tax credit and relief of the marriage penalty, he voted against them,
GOP.com disclosed.
"Kerry will have to expend an awful lot of time and money to convince people
that he's not the classic Massachusetts liberal," Larry Sabato, a respected
political analyst at the University of Virginia, told the Associated Press
in December 2002. "And that's going to be tough, because mainly he is."
Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's anti-war
Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic,
claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry
addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring Iraq
"capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that could
be delivered against "the United States itself."
Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I'm making. We were given this
information by our intelligence community."
However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had access to
the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability.
Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was."
.

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ANOTHER sock puppet Babs????

What You Don't Know About John Kerry
Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004
With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White
House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.
Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat
leader.
Denouncing America with 'Hanoi Jane': Although Wesley Clark and others have
attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry
is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.
He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the
likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.
He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's
about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be
president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.
Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted
it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.
Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.
Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington's
Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."
The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an
injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.
Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."
'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said
'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in
Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But
for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep
sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in
Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves
the best men of this country .."
U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be noted,
occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world
to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese
prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed
'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East
Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war."
Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a
protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.
Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang
on the wall of his office.
Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of
him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.
"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself
marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the
presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the
air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"
Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for
his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed
unnecessarily or in vain.
"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States
soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti.
They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the
Viet Cong enemy."
Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports
of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General
George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and
comfort to the enemy."
In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for
photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his
betrayal, have turned their backs on him.
The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S.
House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New
Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several unkempt
youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the
U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry.
"Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from
libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on
its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry
the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their
efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the New
American reported.
Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.
Friendly with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.
As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in
1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers
designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered the
panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.
"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA
issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi,
than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.
"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in December
1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi
announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real
estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate
potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's
cousin."
The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal
worth $905 million.
Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes
that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities.
"Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has prevented
it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's
repression would be counterproductive."
Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994,
five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against
linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights
record," Slate reported.
Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need China's
cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that merely
excludes and pushes China away."
Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of
enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force
China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."
More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes,
long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most
left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to Kerry.
According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6
percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. ***** Gephardt, 14 for Sen.
John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.
Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of
Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than
Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few
remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.
Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described
environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the U.S.
economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the
gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate to
the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future
wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP
Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference
of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked
President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This
treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe
restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that already
enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.
However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he
doesn't like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April
2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and
then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to
self-described greens.
Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the
president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones
society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.
Get out your wallets: One reason Kerry and Edwards did well in Iowa: Losers
Dean and Gephardt admitted they'd repeal all of the president's tax relief.
However, although Kerry has taken credit for middle-class tax cuts, child
tax credit and relief of the marriage penalty, he voted against them,
GOP.com disclosed.
"Kerry will have to expend an awful lot of time and money to convince people
that he's not the classic Massachusetts liberal," Larry Sabato, a respected
political analyst at the University of Virginia, told the Associated Press
in December 2002. "And that's going to be tough, because mainly he is."
Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's anti-war
Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic,
claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny.
On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry
addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring Iraq
"capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that could
be delivered against "the United States itself."
Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I'm making. We were given this
information by our intelligence community."
However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had access to
the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability.
Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was."
.
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What You Don't Know About John Kerry

Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004

With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White
House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.

Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new

Democrat

leader.

Denouncing America with 'Hanoi Jane': Although Wesley Clark and others

have

attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry
is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.

He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with

the

likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard

Johnson's

about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be
president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda

insisted

it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.
Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on

Washington's

Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued

an

injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.

Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign

Relations

Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew

said

'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in
Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam.

But

for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep
sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in
Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider

ourselves

the best men of this country .."

U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be

noted,

occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world
to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese
prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed
'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist

East

Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the

war."


Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a
protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.

Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they

hang

on the wall of his office.

Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos

of

him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.

"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself
marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the
presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the
air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field

for

his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed
unnecessarily or in vain.

"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United

States

soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti.
They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of

the

Viet Cong enemy."

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used

reports

of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired

General

George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and
comfort to the enemy."
In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for
photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his
betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the

U.S.

House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New
Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several

unkempt

youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the
U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John

Kerry.


"Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared from
libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown on
its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they carry
the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in their
efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the

New

American reported.
Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.

Friendly with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.

As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created in
1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers
designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered

the

panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.

"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA
issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with Hanoi,
than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in

December

1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi
announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based real
estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate
potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is Kerry's
cousin."

The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a deal
worth $905 million.

Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes
that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities.
"Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has

prevented

it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's
repression would be counterproductive."

Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994,
five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor against
linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights
record," Slate reported.

Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need

China's

cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that

merely

excludes and pushes China away."

Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production of
enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can force
China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."

More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes,
long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most
left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to

Kerry.


According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of 6
percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. ***** Gephardt, 14 for Sen.
John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes of
Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than
Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few
remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.

Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described
environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the

U.S.

economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the
gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate

to

the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future
wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP
Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague Conference
of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked
President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This
treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose severe
restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that

already

enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.

However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he
doesn't like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April
2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and
then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to
self-described greens.

Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the
president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and Bones
society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.

Get out your wallets: One reason Kerry and Edwards did well in Iowa:

Losers

Dean and Gephardt admitted they'd repeal all of the president's tax

relief.

However, although Kerry has taken credit for middle-class tax cuts, child
tax credit and relief of the marriage penalty, he voted against them,
GOP.com disclosed.

"Kerry will have to expend an awful lot of time and money to convince

people

that he's not the classic Massachusetts liberal," Larry Sabato, a

respected

political analyst at the University of Virginia, told the Associated Press
in December 2002. "And that's going to be tough, because mainly he is."

Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's anti-war
Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic,
claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry
addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring

Iraq

"capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that

could

be delivered against "the United States itself."

Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I'm making. We were given this
information by our intelligence community."

However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had access

to

the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi capability.
Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was."

You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.
This scares a normal observer. The electorate might just as well vote for an
Adolf Hitler under a different guise.
.
User: "John Fraude Kerry"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 08:34:17 AM
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What You Don't Know About John Kerry

Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004

With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White
House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.

Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new

Democrat

leader.

Denouncing America with 'Hanoi Jane': Although Wesley Clark and others

have

attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum,

Kerry

is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.

He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with

the

likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard

Johnson's

about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would

be

president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda

insisted

it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.
Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on

Washington's

Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued

an

injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.

Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign

Relations

Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had

"raped,

cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to

human

genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies,

randomly

shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun,

poisoned

food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew

said

'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die

in

Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam.

But

for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very

deep

sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here

in

Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider

ourselves

the best men of this country .."

U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be

noted,

occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the

world

to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North

Vietnamese

prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a

supposed

'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist

East

Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the

war."


Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in

a

protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.

Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they

hang

on the wall of his office.

Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos

of

him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.

"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found

himself

marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported

the

presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in

the

air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field

for

his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being

shed

unnecessarily or in vain.

"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United

States

soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist

graffiti.

They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of

the

Viet Cong enemy."

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used

reports

of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired

General

George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid

and

comfort to the enemy."
In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial

for

photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by

his

betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the

U.S.

House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the cover picture appearing on his own book, The New
Soldier. His political opponent pointed out that it depicted several

unkempt

youths crudely handling an American flag to mock the famous photo of the
U.S. Marines at Iwo Jima," according to Vietnam Veterans Against John

Kerry.


"Suddenly, copies of the book became unavailable and even disappeared

from

libraries. But the Lowell (Mass.) Sun said of the type of person shown

on

its cover: 'These people spit on the flag, they burn the flag, they

carry

the flag upside down, [and] they all but wipe their noses with it in

their

efforts to show their contempt for everything it still stands for,'" the

New

American reported.
Even today it is hard to find this infamous photo and book.

Friendly with the enemy: Kerry's fondness for Vietnam's communist
dictatorship, one of the most oppressive in the world, continues.

As chairman of the Select Senate Committee on POW/MIA Affairs, created

in

1991 to investigate reports that U.S. prisoners of war and soldiers
designated missing in action were still alive in Vietnam, Kerry badgered

the

panel into voting that no American servicemen remained in Vietnam.

"[N]o one in the United States Senate pushed harder to bury the POW/MIA
issue, the last obstacle preventing normalization of relations with

Hanoi,

than John Forbes Kerry," noted U.S. Veteran Dispatch.

"But Kerry's participation in the Committee became controversial in

December

1992," reported the nonpartisan Center for Public Integrity, "when Hanoi
announced that it had awarded Colliers International, a Boston-based

real

estate company, an exclusive deal to develop its commercial real estate
potentially worth billions. Stuart Forbes, the CEO of Colliers, is

Kerry's

cousin."

The "odd coincidence," according to FrontPageMagazine.com, involved a

deal

worth $905 million.

Jeff Jacoby, the token conservative columnist at the Boston Globe, notes
that Kerry continues his apologia for Vietnam's never-ending atrocities.
"Far from taking the lead on the Vietnam Human Rights Bill, he has

prevented

it from coming to a vote. He claims that making an issue of Hanoi's
repression would be counterproductive."

Kerry is also a fan of China's communist dictatorship. "On May 19, 1994,
five years after Tiananmen Square, Kerry spoke on the Senate floor

against

linking China's Most Favored Nation trade status to its human rights
record," Slate reported.

Kerry said: "China is the strongest military power in Asia. We need

China's

cooperation. We cannot afford to adopt a cold-war kind of policy that

merely

excludes and pushes China away."

Limiting China's MFN status "would make us a bit player in a production

of

enormous proportions. We possess no stick, including MFN, which can

force

China to embrace internationally recognized human rights and freedoms."

More extreme than Hillary and Kucinich: Among the White House wannabes,
long-shot Rep. Dennis Kucinich has the reputation of holding the most
left-wing congressional voting record. In fact, this "honor" goes to

Kerry.


According to American Conservative Union, Kerry has a lifetime rating of

6

percent, compared to 13 for the demolished Rep. ***** Gephardt, 14 for

Sen.

John Edwards, 15 for Kucinich and 19 for Sen. Joe Lieberman.

Sens. Hillary Clinton and Tom Daschle score 13 percent. Only the likes

of

Sens. Teddy Kennedy and Barbara Boxer have more left-wing records than
Kerry. In contrast, Sen. John Breaux, one of the upper chamber's few
remaining moderate Democrats, has a 46.

Drive as I say, not as I do: Like Al Gore and other self-described
environmentalists, Kerry has a radical agenda that would devastate the

U.S.

economy in favor of the likes of communist China, yet he enjoys the
gas-guzzling modern conveniences that greens denounce. Kerry, a delegate

to

the environment-destroying Earth Summit in 1992 (where he met his future
wife, left-wing activist Teresa Heinz, the multimillionaire widow of GOP
Sen. John Heinz), the Kyoto climate talks in 1997 and the Hague

Conference

of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change in 2000, has attacked
President Bush for withdrawing from the anti-U.S. Kyoto Protocol. This
treaty, which then-President Bill Clinton had signed, would impose

severe

restrictions on the United States but not Third World polluters that

already

enjoy huge trade surpluses with the U.S.

However, although Kerry spouts the party line on anti-U.S. ecopolicy, he
doesn't like to practice what he preaches. Kerry was humiliated in April
2002 when photographed attending a rally against energy independence and
then heading back to his SUV, the symbol of all that is evil to
self-described greens.

Bone to pick: Bush-hating conspiracy theorists find it alarming that the
president, like his father, was a member of the secretive Skull and

Bones

society at Yale University. Another alum of this club: John Kerry.

Get out your wallets: One reason Kerry and Edwards did well in Iowa:

Losers

Dean and Gephardt admitted they'd repeal all of the president's tax

relief.

However, although Kerry has taken credit for middle-class tax cuts,

child

tax credit and relief of the marriage penalty, he voted against them,
GOP.com disclosed.

"Kerry will have to expend an awful lot of time and money to convince

people

that he's not the classic Massachusetts liberal," Larry Sabato, a

respected

political analyst at the University of Virginia, told the Associated

Press

in December 2002. "And that's going to be tough, because mainly he is."

Waffling on Iraq: Kerry has the tough job of wooing Howard Dean's

anti-war

Democrats despite his support of the war in Iraq. His favorite tactic,
claiming the president outfoxed him, doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

On "Meet the Press" in late August, Tim Russert played a tape of Kerry
addressing the Senate in October 2002 with a hard-line speech declaring

Iraq

"capable of quickly producing weaponizing" of biological weapons that

could

be delivered against "the United States itself."

Kerry insisted: "That is exactly the point I'm making. We were given

this

information by our intelligence community."

However, as columnist Robert Novak noted, "as a senator, Kerry had

access

to

the National Intelligence Estimate that was skeptical of Iraqi

capability.

Being tricky may no longer be as effective politically as it once was."


You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.

Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.
But I'll agree that John Kerry wants to RAISE taxes, while President Bush
lowers them.
That's certainly a difference.

This scares a normal observer.

Not if they claim to be "pro-choice", since those differences obviously
allow them to be pro-choice in a meaningful way, choosing to vote for a guy
who will lower their taxes rather than raise them, for example.
The electorate might just as well vote for an

Adolf Hitler under a different guise.

They'll have to fly to Germany first, in addition to stepping back in time.
But perhaps liberal Democrats can accomplish both, since liberal Democrats
tend to not deal in the present nor in reality.
.
User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 10:51:51 AM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.

Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.
ANd Kerry voted right after the Bush admin told the bigges lie of all
their many lies.
They said Iraq was going nuclear.
Condi on TV said Iraq was trying to buy tubes which could only be used
for nukes. Even I supported the war, based on that.
She said it right before the vote, so there would be no time to find
out she was lying.
Same time they said Iraq trying to buy magnets to be used to make
nukes. Another lie, right before the vote.
THey said Iraq was trying to buy uranium in niger. Another lie right
before the vote.
It's not normal, an administration so dishonest that they will lie to
us, telling us an enemy is trying to get nuclear weapons, to trick us
into supporting a war.
So Kerry believed them. Could he afford to take the chance that Bush
WASNT lying?
You come to me right before a vote and say - MUSHROOM CLOUD
Can you really take the chance it's a lie?
Not really. They all had to rally around based on that huge lie,
MUSHROOM CLOUD MUSHROOM CLOUD MUSHROOM CLOUD
they all yelled in the press.
We shouldn't blame Kerry for voting prudently.
We should impeach Bush for telling him that lie.


But I'll agree that John Kerry wants to RAISE taxes, while President Bush
lowers them.

That's certainly a difference.


This scares a normal observer.


Not if they claim to be "pro-choice", since those differences obviously
allow them to be pro-choice in a meaningful way, choosing to vote for a guy
who will lower their taxes rather than raise them, for example.

1. We will pay taxes to pay for all the spending. Bush spends more
than anyone in history. Thus he is the biggest tax hiker in history.
Or are you going to argue the tooth fairy is going to pay for all that
Bush overspending?
2.. Pro-choice? Bush applauds in vitro fertilization, which creates
and then kills countless numbers of embryos. Embyos, you claim , are
human beings. Bush FAVORS creating and then killing them, zillions of
humans killed.



The electorate might just as well vote for an

Adolf Hitler under a different guise.



They'll have to fly to Germany first, in addition to stepping back in time.
But perhaps liberal Democrats can accomplish both, since liberal Democrats
tend to not deal in the present nor in reality.

.
User: "John Fraude Kerry"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 11:31:54 AM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.


Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.

President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers. THAT is
incompetance! Kerry LIKES to send our soldiers out to get shot at, and
then enjoys voting against the funding they need while they are being shot
at. In fact, based on that behavior of Kerry, it is safe to say that not
only does Kerry hate America, but he also hates American soldiers.
.
User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 01:51:33 PM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:54 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.


Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.



President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.

Only a moron or a liar would say that.
Since you're both, it's hard to figure which category applies.
Voting for one version of a bill, rather than another version, does
not mean that you vote against all the elements of the bill.
With your logic, all the Republicans in the Senate in 1993 put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against the Clinton budget
authorizatien bill, the bill which provided for how much money would
go to each part of government.
If you believe what you said about Kerry, then you must also believe
that
Trent Lott, and all the others, similarly voted to put our soldiers in
harm's way.
IT would be dishonest to say that about Lott, and so too it's
dishonest for President Bush to pull that ***** with Kerry, and of
course you're dishonest, but you're just a spin generating robot, so
it's sort of pointless to complain about you. You lack the free will
which blame is designed to control.
THAT is

incompetance! Kerry LIKES to send our soldiers out to get shot at, and
then enjoys voting against the funding they need while they are being shot
at.

Yeah. Just like Trent Lott and every Senate Republican from 1993.
Right-o.
Such a disgrace, you lying creeps are.
In fact, based on that behavior of Kerry, it is safe to say that not

only does Kerry hate America, but he also hates American soldiers.

why waste time like this?
Do you think even one person who reads what you write believes it?
You don't believe it, I don't believe it, no one does. So why bother?
.
User: "Ihatekerie Sosuemie"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 04:23:56 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:54 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in

message

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.


Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.



President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.

Wrong again, George! The cowardly (or worse!) Kerry DID vote against the
funding for our brave soldiers in Iraq!
Kerry is a piece of ultraleftist crap, George.
But I guess you knew that already, didn't you - you just don't want to admit
it.
.
User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 07:39:17 PM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:56 GMT, "Ihatekerie Sosuemie"
<DemScum@DNC.org> wrote:


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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:54 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq, while
President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.


Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.



President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.



Wrong again, George! The cowardly (or worse!) Kerry DID vote against the
funding for our brave soldiers in Iraq!

Ok, you are both stupid and dishonest.
We know you would say it.


Kerry is a piece of ultraleftist crap, George.

But I guess you knew that already, didn't you - you just don't want to admit
it.

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User: "13 percent Johnny"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 08:06:18 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 21:23:56 GMT, "Ihatekerie Sosuemie"
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:31:54 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in

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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:34:17 GMT, "John Fraude Kerry"
<BigLoser@dnc.org> wrote:


Yeah. For example, John Kerry was in favor of the war in Iraq,

while

President Bush was in favor of the war in Iraq.


Kerry didn't favor the incompetent way Bush waged the war.



President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.



Wrong again, George! The cowardly (or worse!) Kerry DID vote against

the

funding for our brave soldiers in Iraq!


Ok, you are both stupid and dishonest.

No, YOU are, Georgie.
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User: "Bob"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 02:36:28 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.

Since you're both, it's hard to figure which category applies.

Voting for one version of a bill, rather than another version, does
not mean that you vote against all the elements of the bill.

I think it's you who has a problem. The
first vote was on an amendment, the no
vote was on the final version of the bill,
when the chips were down. You either
support or abandon the troops. Kerry
chose to abandon the troops because
he saw Dean cleaning his clock in the
polls (because of the war issue) and
the primaries were coming up. Kerry
is a political opportunist and cannot
be trusted with the security of our great
nation.


With your logic, all the Republicans in the Senate in 1993 put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against the Clinton budget
authorizatien bill, the bill which provided for how much money would
go to each part of government.

If you believe what you said about Kerry, then you must also believe
that


Trent Lott, and all the others, similarly voted to put our soldiers in
harm's way.

IT would be dishonest to say that about Lott, and so too it's
dishonest for President Bush to pull that ***** with Kerry, and of
course you're dishonest, but you're just a spin generating robot, so
it's sort of pointless to complain about you. You lack the free will
which blame is designed to control.



THAT is

incompetance! Kerry LIKES to send our soldiers out to get shot at, and
then enjoys voting against the funding they need while they are being shot
at.


Yeah. Just like Trent Lott and every Senate Republican from 1993.

Right-o.

Such a disgrace, you lying creeps are.













In fact, based on that behavior of Kerry, it is safe to say that not

only does Kerry hate America, but he also hates American soldiers.

why waste time like this?

Do you think even one person who reads what you write believes it?

You don't believe it, I don't believe it, no one does. So why bother?


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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 04:47:56 PM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:28 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:

"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.

Since you're both, it's hard to figure which category applies.

Voting for one version of a bill, rather than another version, does
not mean that you vote against all the elements of the bill.


I think it's you who has a problem. The
first vote was on an amendment, the no
vote was on the final version of the bill,
when the chips were down

The notion that voting against a "final" bill means you oppose each
item in the bill
is dumb Bob
.. You either

support or abandon the troops. Kerry
chose to abandon the troops because
he saw Dean cleaning his clock in the
polls (because of the war issue) and
the primaries were coming up. Kerry
is a political opportunist and cannot
be trusted with the security of our great
nation.


With your logic, all the Republicans in the Senate in 1993 put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against the Clinton budget
authorizatien bill, the bill which provided for how much money would
go to each part of government.

If you believe what you said about Kerry, then you must also believe
that


Trent Lott, and all the others, similarly voted to put our soldiers in
harm's way.

IT would be dishonest to say that about Lott, and so too it's
dishonest for President Bush to pull that ***** with Kerry, and of
course you're dishonest, but you're just a spin generating robot, so
it's sort of pointless to complain about you. You lack the free will
which blame is designed to control.



THAT is

incompetance! Kerry LIKES to send our soldiers out to get shot at, and
then enjoys voting against the funding they need while they are being shot
at.


Yeah. Just like Trent Lott and every Senate Republican from 1993.

Right-o.

Such a disgrace, you lying creeps are.













In fact, based on that behavior of Kerry, it is safe to say that not

only does Kerry hate America, but he also hates American soldiers.

why waste time like this?

Do you think even one person who reads what you write believes it?

You don't believe it, I don't believe it, no one does. So why bother?



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User: "Bob"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 07:10:01 PM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:36:28 -0500, "Bob" <no@email.address> wrote:

"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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President Bush didn't favor the incompetant way Kerry voted to put our
soldiers in harm's way by voting against funding for our soldiers.


Only a moron or a liar would say that.

Since you're both, it's hard to figure which category applies.

Voting for one version of a bill, rather than another version, does
not mean that you vote against all the elements of the bill.


I think it's you who has a problem. The
first vote was on an amendment, the no
vote was on the final version of the bill,
when the chips were down


The notion that voting against a "final" bill means you oppose each
item in the bill

is dumb Bob

We have been down this road before.
Kerry voted no after he had earlier said
to do so would be irresponsible. He
simply saw the polls, and made his
decision. This man cannot be trusted
with the defense of our great nation.
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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 10:45:09 AM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:26:58 -0400, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:


You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.
This scares a normal observer. The electorate might just as well vote for an
Adolf Hitler under a different guise.

oops, got confused on who said that.
I thought what's her many names had foolishly raised Hitler, given her
support for the fascist-leaning Bush.
Sorry.
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User: "13 percent Johnny"

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 11:16:54 AM
"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:26:58 -0400, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:


You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.
This scares a normal observer. The electorate might just as well vote for

an

Adolf Hitler under a different guise.

oops, got confused on who said that.

I thought what's her many names had foolishly raised Hitler, given her
support for the fascist-leaning Bush.

Sorry.

You stupid idiot.
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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 12:47:22 PM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 16:16:54 GMT, "13 percent Johnny"
<Part-timer_Johnny@dnc.com> wrote:


"George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." <tyrebiter@commiemartyrs.edu> wrote in message
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On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:26:58 -0400, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:


You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.
This scares a normal observer. The electorate might just as well vote for

an

Adolf Hitler under a different guise.

oops, got confused on who said that.

I thought what's her many names had foolishly raised Hitler, given her
support for the fascist-leaning Bush.

Sorry.



You stupid idiot.

If I'm stupid, then Bush definitely shouldn't be President.
Based on SAT's I've got him beat by a couple standard deviations.
Based on ability to speak, he's not even in my species.
Which is not bragging, of course. Any number who post here could say
the same thing.
Tens of millions of Americans could say the same thing.
When you are a Bush supporter, you would be wise to carefully avoid
words such as "stupid" "ignorant" "lazy" "fool" ete
It will only raise the obvous thoughts .
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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 10:43:37 AM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 09:26:58 -0400, "Rich" <Rich@anon.com> wrote:



You know what's really interesting? Right now, the electorate is roughly
split on Kerry/Bush. However, the two are wildly different people with
wildly different policies.
This scares a normal observer. The electorate might just as well vote for an
Adolf Hitler under a different guise.

Bush lies all the time, big lies.
Like you do.
Hitler did that too.
Hitler wanted all war, all the time. Like Bush.
See where Bush got busted for the al-qaeda link lie?
by a commission with five Repubs, all saying it was *****?
Yeah, we do have a dangerous war mongering demagog running, and his
name is Bush.
Bush supports in vitro fertilization. That process creates a large
number of embyos which are later destroyed.
You say that embryos are human beings.
So your guy Bush supports killing them wholesale.
How can you support Bush, since he favors killing so many human
beings?
I haven't seen your answer, though I have asked you three or four
times.
Shouldn't you vote for Nader or something?
Why support a guy like Bush?


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User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr."

Title: Re: What You Don't Know About John Kerry 17 Jun 2004 10:35:48 AM
On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 13:02:01 GMT, "13 percent Johnny"
<Part-timer_Johnny@dnc.com> wrote:

What You Don't Know About John Kerry

He towers over Bush.
IN the debates Bush will give up on any detail so long as the podiums
are at least thirty feet apart.
So people won't see that Bush is a midget compared to the powerful,
manly Kerry.
Watch. Bush won't get within thirty feet of Kerry. If Kerry goes over
to shake Bush's hand, Bush will run offstage.
Bush - he's not just a MENTAL midget. Kerry towers over him.
The taller candidate almost always wins.
Watch the debate. Kerry will go over to shake Bush's hand, not the
other way around. And after the debate Kerry will try to do the same,
but Bush will run offstage, to avoid the cameras telling the tale of
the heights.
Kerry, manly, went to war while Bush, the man with the midget-sized
courage, hid out in a Houston disco, with his knees knocking.
He charged right into the gunfire.
Bush would have hidden behind his men, and when it was over he wolud
have said - it was their fault. Like he hides behind Condi's skirts,
letting her take the blame on the Niger lie. Like he hides behind
Tenet, letting him take the blame for the no WMD fiasco.
Kerry charged the bullets.
He earned the right to tell us the truth about what a truly rotten war
Viet Nam was.
IF politicians had listened to Kerry earlier, instead of waiting
years, there would be 25,000 more Viet Nam veterans alive today.
Kerry worked hard to save their lives.
He is a real hero.
Not a moral, mental and phylical midget like our cowardly President.


Chuck Noe, NewsMax.com
Tuesday, Jan. 20, 2004

With his win in Iowa, Sen. John Kerry could be on his way to the White
House. But most Americans are unaware of the real Kerry.

Here are facts and quotations that reveal the character of the new Democrat
leader.

Denouncing America with 'Hanoi Jane': Although Wesley Clark and others have
attacked former front-runner Howard Dean as a draft-dodging ski bum, Kerry
is far more complex than the simple war hero he portrays himself as.

He became a celebrated organizer for one of America's most extreme
appeasement groups, Vietnam Veterans Against the War. He consorted with the
likes of "Hanoi" Jane Fonda and Ramsey Clark, Lyndon Johnson's radical
former attorney general.

He attended a seminar bankrolled by Fonda in Detroit in February 1971.
Watching 125 self-proclaimed Vietnam veterans testify at a Howard Johnson's
about atrocities allegedly committed by U.S. forces, the man who would be
president later said he found the accounts shocking and irrefutable.

Dubbed "The Winter Soldier Investigation," the protest attracted minimal
media attention, according to the Los Angeles Times, because Fonda insisted
it be held in the remote Michigan city rather than the less "authentic"
Washington, D.C.
Still, the event gave Kerry an idea for a protest that was sure to be a
media smash, and he immediately set out to organize one of the most
confrontational protests of the war.

Operation Dewey Canyon III began on April 18, 1971, when nearly 1,000
Vietnam veterans and people claiming to be veterans gathered on Washington's
Mall for what they called "a limited incursion into the country of
Congress."

The group staged mock firefights on the steps of the Capitol and Supreme
Court and defied U.S. Park Police after the Department of Justice issued an
injunction barring it from camping on the Mall.

Those evil American soldiers: Testifying before the Senate Foreign Relations
Committee on April 23, 1971, Kerry claimed that U.S. soldiers had "raped,
cut off ears, cut off heads, taped wires from portable telephones to human
genitals and turned up the power, cut off limbs, blown up bodies, randomly
shot at civilians, razed villages, shot cattle and dogs for fun, poisoned
food stocks, and generally ravaged the countryside of South Vietnam."

'We are not the best': In his testimony, Kerry claimed there was no
communist threat and said: "In 1970 at West Point Vice President Agnew said
'some glamorize the criminal misfits of society while our best men die in
Asian rice paddies to preserve the freedom which most of those misfits
abuse,' and this was used as a rallying point for our effort in Vietnam. But
for us, as boys in Asia whom the country was supposed to support, his
statement is a terrible distortion from which we can only draw a very deep
sense of revulsion, and hence the anger of some of the men who are here in
Washington today. It is a distortion because we in no way consider ourselves
the best men of this country .."

U.S. Veteran Dispatch noted in 1996: "Kerry's testimony, it should be noted,
occurred while some of his fellow Vietnam veterans were known by the world
to be enduring terrible suffering as prisoners of war in North Vietnamese
prisons. Kerry was a supporter of the 'People's Peace Treaty,'" a supposed
'people's' declaration to end the war, reportedly drawn up in communist East
Germany. It included nine points, all of which were taken from Viet Cong
peace proposals at the Paris peace talks as conditions for ending the war."

Throw as I say, not as I do: On that same day he led members of VVAW in a
protest during which they threw their medals and ribbons over a fence in
front of the U.S. Capitol.

Kerry later admitted the medals he threw were not his. To this day they hang
on the wall of his office.

Communist stooge: The communist Daily World delightedly published photos of
him speaking to demonstrators and boasted that the marchers displayed a
banner depicting a portrait of Communist Party leader Angela Davis, on
record stating, "I am dedicated to the overthrow of your system of
government and your society," the New American recalled in May 2003.

"By frequently participating in VVAW's demonstrations, Kerry found himself
marching alongside what the Boston Herald Traveler identified as
'revolutionary Communists.' While noting that known Reds had openly
organized these events, the December 12, 1971 Herald Traveler reported the
presence of an 'abundance of Vietcong flags, clenched fists raised in the
air, and placards plainly bearing legends in support of China, Cuba, the
USSR, North Korea and the Hanoi government.'"

Vietnam Veterans Against John Kerry says: "As a national leader of VVAW,
Kerry campaigned against the effort of the United States to contain the
spread of Communism. He used the blood of servicemen still in the field for
his own political advancement by claiming that their blood was being shed
unnecessarily or in vain.

"Under Kerry's leadership, VVAW members mocked the uniform of United States
soldiers by wearing tattered fatigues marked with pro-communist graffiti.
They dishonored America by marching in demonstrations under the flag of the
Viet Cong enemy."

Sen. John McCain revealed that his North Vietnamese captors had used reports
of Kerry-led protests to taunt him and his fellow prisoners. Retired General
George S. Patton III angrily noted that Kerry's actions had "given aid and
comfort to the enemy."
In recent years when Kerry has exploited the Vietnam Veterans Memorial for
photo opportunities on Veterans Day, some veterans, still outraged by his
betrayal, have turned their backs on him.

The book he doesn't want you to see: When Kerry ran for election to the U.S.
House of Representative in 1972, "he found it necessary to suppress
reproduction of the c