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"Sarcastic American!" |
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14 Jul 2007 05:32:08 PM |
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WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
Yup........It's a GOOD Question..........According to the RIGHT WING
Pukes, SOCIAL SECURITY was a GREATER THREAT than Al-
Qaida..........Perhaps
the Reason the RIGHTISTS Sonsabitches are <Quiet> on the Subject is
because the Bush Administration FUCKED UP the
"Threat"..........Donchaknow.........Heehee.........
weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
15 Jul 2007 03:58:19 PM |
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"Sarcastic American!" <not4udude@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1184452328.515954.113750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Yup........It's a GOOD Question..........According to the RIGHT WING
Pukes, SOCIAL SECURITY was a GREATER THREAT than Al-
Qaida..........Perhaps
the Reason the RIGHTISTS Sonsabitches are <Quiet> on the Subject is
because the Bush Administration FUCKED UP the
"Threat"..........
Where they fucked up was in stealing the money from Social Security
to play war monger and not being able to pay it back.
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| User: "Benj" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
16 Jul 2007 03:58:43 AM |
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David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:
Where they fucked up was in stealing the money from Social Security
to play war monger and not being able to pay it back.
Sorry Comrade,
But you can't "steal" money from Social Security! It's NOT a "trust
fund" like everyone thinks. It's a general tax going into the treasury
like any other general tax. As for spending more money than you have
or can pay back, since when did they have to invoke social security to
do that? Hell, even PRINTING money is a "loan" to the Fed! You are SO
screwed and don't even have a CLUE! And while we are on the subject,
whatever happened to the rule that your Social Security number was
"never" to be used as a Citzen ID number? Gosh somehow after a
"decent interval" that rule disappeared! But I'm sure all this has a
Lefty like you celebrating.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
17 Jul 2007 09:52:44 PM |
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On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>
wrote:
"Sarcastic American!" <not4ud...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1184452328.515954.113750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Yup........It's a GOOD Question..........According to the RIGHT WING
Pukes, SOCIAL SECURITY was a GREATER THREAT thanAl-
Qaida..........Perhaps
the Reason the RIGHTISTS Sonsabitches are <Quiet> on the Subject is
because the Bush Administration FUCKED UP the
"Threat"..........
Where they fucked up was in stealing the money from Social Security
to play war monger and not being able to pay it back.
That was another Texan -- Johnson.
--
FF
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
18 Jul 2007 02:29:24 PM |
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<fredfighter@gmail.com> wrote in message news:1184727164.766044.24120@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 15, 3:58 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>
wrote:
"Sarcastic American!" <not4ud...@yahoo.com> wrote in messagenews:1184452328.515954.113750@i38g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Yup........It's a GOOD Question..........According to the RIGHT WING
Pukes, SOCIAL SECURITY was a GREATER THREAT thanAl-
Qaida..........Perhaps
the Reason the RIGHTISTS Sonsabitches are <Quiet> on the Subject is
because the Bush Administration FUCKED UP the
"Threat"..........
Where they fucked up was in stealing the money from Social Security
to play war monger and not being able to pay it back.
That was another Texan -- Johnson.
Johnson got us into VietNam when the democrats ran all three branches
of government as well as the judiciary.... we should have learned back
then (probably did, but couch-potato TeeVee idiots forget easily) that
one-party rule does NOT work. This time, it's the republicans who had
their GOP hi-jacked by a hand full of billionaires and major corporations
in support of the MIC and the concept of Global rule by the USA. Only
this time, they're thumbing their noses at the public and breaking hordes
of laws as they say, "So what are you going to do about it?"
The Presidential "Signing Statement" dictatorship...
http://www.abanet.org/media/releases/news072406.html
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610c.asp
http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dean/20060113.html
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/signingstatements.php
http://www.usnews.com/usnews/news/articles/060721/21signing.htm
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/07/25/dobbs.july26/index.html
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1149361,00.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/04/30/bush_challenges_hundreds_of_laws/
http://www.coherentbabble.com/signingstatements/TOCindex.htm
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0610c.asp
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/27/AR2006062700145.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,,1828114,00.html?gusrc=rss
http://www.antiwar.com/ips/fisher.php?articleid=9222
http://www.tenthamendmentcenter.com/2007/02/13/the-signing-statement-dictatorship/
And over one million more....
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=George+Bush%2C+signing+statements&btnG=Google+Search
BTW, how did Lyndon B Johnson attempt to eliminate Social Security?
Somehow, that one escapes me...
DM
"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment
insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear
of that party again in our political history. There is a tiny splinter group of course,
that believes you can do these things. Among them are... a few other Texas oil
millionaires, and an occasional politician or business man from other areas.
Their number is negligible and they are stupid."
-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 11/8/54
"Selfish men have always tried to skim the
cream of our national wealth in order to satify
their own greed, and their instrument in this
effort has always been the Republican Party."
-- President Harry Truman, Aug 1948
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| User: "Tartarus" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
29 Jul 2007 11:42:26 AM |
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On Jul 18, 1:29 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>
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Johnson got us into VietNam
Learn some history before spouting off.
Tartarus
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
29 Jul 2007 03:17:59 PM |
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"Tartarus" <tartarus@rome.com> wrote in message news:1185727346.606023.310970@z28g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 18, 1:29 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>
wrote:
Johnson got us into VietNam
Learn some history before spouting off.
Excuse me? Advisors and money are one thing, but it's a well known
fact that the Gulf Of Tonkin "incident" has been proven to be a completely
bogus LIE and served as Johnson's artificial scapegoat to escalate the
Viet Nam "conflict" (pretection of French drug routes) into a phony "war"
against "communism".
Dumb *****.....
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
28 Jul 2007 01:46:06 PM |
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On Jul 18, 7:29 pm, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)" <fin...@m-a-m-s.comC/Odm>
wrote:
<fredfigh...@gmail.com> wrote in messagenews:1184727164.766044.24120@j4g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
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Where they fucked up was in stealing the money from Social Security
to play war monger and not being able to pay it back.
That was another Texan -- Johnson.
...
BTW, how did Lyndon B Johnson attempt to eliminate Social Security?
Somehow, that one escapes me...
It escapes me why you think someone claims that Johnson
attempted to eliminate Social Security.
What he did, was to merge the Social Security Trust Fund,
which had a robust surplus, into the General Fund.
I think it is fair to characterize that as "stealing the money
from Social Security to play war monger and not being able
to pay it back."
--
FF
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
28 Jul 2007 04:03:39 PM |
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On Jul 28, 2:46 pm, quoted someone else:
BTW, how did Lyndon B Johnson attempt to eliminate Social Security?
Somehow, that one escapes me...
and replied:
What he did, was to merge the Social Security Trust Fund,
which had a robust surplus, into the General Fund.
I think it is fair to characterize that as "stealing the money
from Social Security to play war monger and not being able
to pay it back."
This hints at the key issue. Lyndon Johnson thought Americans could
afford BOTH "guns and butter" - a quagmire war in Nam that was
expanding, and a fast-growing welfare state with new programs under
him - without raising taxes enough to make the middle class rebel
against the Democrat Party. That required the Enron-style accounting
in Washington you describe.
No $4 to park! No $6 admission! http://www.INTERNET-GUN-SHOW.com
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| User: "Morton Davis" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
29 Jul 2007 07:21:27 AM |
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<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1185656619.864896.25060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 2:46 pm, quoted someone else:
BTW, how did Lyndon B Johnson attempt to eliminate Social Security?
Somehow, that one escapes me...
and replied:
What he did, was to merge the Social Security Trust Fund,
which had a robust surplus, into the General Fund.
I think it is fair to characterize that as "stealing the money
from Social Security to play war monger and not being able
to pay it back."
This hints at the key issue. Lyndon Johnson thought Americans could
afford BOTH "guns and butter" - a quagmire war in Nam that was
expanding, and a fast-growing welfare state with new programs under
him - without raising taxes enough to make the middle class rebel
against the Democrat Party. That required the Enron-style accounting
in Washington you describe.
What happened in Vietnam was that we did not press on after the total defeat
of the North at Tet and forece them into surrender. Our second big mistake
was when we did not rearm the South after they stomped a mud hole in the
North during the Easter Offensive and allowed the Ho Chi Mihn Campaign to be
a success when we left the South with the equivalent of one grenade and one
clip of ammo per man.
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| User: "David Morgan \MAMS" |
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| Title: Re: WHATEVER HAPPENED TO "SOCIAL SECURITY"?? |
29 Jul 2007 03:14:44 PM |
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"Morton Davis" <antikerry@go.com> wrote in message news:bD%qi.27538$Xa3.13838@attbi_s22...
<editor@netpath.net> wrote in message
news:1185656619.864896.25060@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 28, 2:46 pm, quoted someone else:
BTW, how did Lyndon B Johnson attempt to eliminate Social Security?
Somehow, that one escapes me...
and replied:
What he did, was to merge the Social Security Trust Fund,
which had a robust surplus, into the General Fund.
I think it is fair to characterize that as "stealing the money
from Social Security to play war monger and not being able
to pay it back."
This hints at the key issue. Lyndon Johnson thought Americans could
afford BOTH "guns and butter" - a quagmire war in Nam that was
expanding, and a fast-growing welfare state with new programs under
him - without raising taxes enough to make the middle class rebel
against the Democrat Party. That required the Enron-style accounting
in Washington you describe.
What happened in Vietnam was that we did not press on after the total defeat
of the North at Tet and forece them into surrender.
Are you fucking nuts, or what ?!?!?
If you think for one instant that China, in full nuclear swing, would have allowed
American troops that close to their border you are a complete imbecile.
What happened, was that it became rediculous to continue to spend the
money and the lives to try and support the French Connection drug trade
coming out of southeast Asia. America gave the opium back to the Chinese
and thus the people who supported America in it's support of France (who
started the <cough-cough> "war") were left to surrender or die.
"[American leaders] are perhaps not so much immoral as they are
amoral. It's not that they take pleasure in causing so much death and
suffering. It's that they just don't care ... the same that could be said
about a sociopath. As long as the death and suffering advance the
agenda of the empire, as long as the right people and the right corporations
gain wealth and power and privilege and prestige, as long as the death and
suffering aren't happening to them or people close to them ... then they just
don't care about it happening to other people, including the American soldiers
whom they throw into wars and who come home - the ones who make it back
alive - with Agent Orange or Gulf War Syndrome eating away at their bodies.
American leaders would not be in the positions they hold if they were bothered
by such things."
-- William Blum
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