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"Harry Hope" |
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28 Jan 2005 08:26:29 AM |
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Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
Soldiers recently returned from Iraq gave an unfiltered and
unflattering assessment of the war's human toll as they detailed their
war experiences to a crowd of Oakton Community College students and
faculty Wednesday in Des Plaines.
One officer lost more than 38 pounds in the Iraqi desert when his unit
ran low on food and water.
Another was sent to the front lines without body armor.
They witnessed soldiers blown to bits and mourned the loss of others
who killed themselves when they returned home -- often excluded from
the government's official body count.
And they've been frustrated with buddies who have had to wait months
for medical services or for their claims to be decided by the Veterans
Affairs Department.
'People are unaware'
"There's a tremendous human cost of this war, and America isn't
prepared for it," said Paul Rieckhoff, a former Army infantry platoon
leader from New York and founder of Operation Truth, a national
soldier organization that is touring college campuses to present an
alternative view of the war.
Rieckhoff criticized the military for not releasing the entire number
of those killed or injured in Iraq, a figure he said is far greater
than the 1,416 listed as killed and 10,622 listed as wounded by the
Defense Department.
"It takes guys like us to embarrass [Defense Secretary Donald]
Rumsfeld before things get changed," he said.
"The military is being run into the ground, and the American people
are unaware of what's really going on."
The group showed a documentary in which former soldiers from Iraq --
many of them amputees -- were angry about how the government treated
them once they returned, complaining they were met with a "nightmare
of paperwork" to get medical and disability benefits.
"Once you've served your purpose," one young soldier told the camera,
"you're no longer of use to the U.S. government."
The soldiers' group is advocating legislation that would provide the
VA with more funding and stop a proposed budget cut, give better
counseling and treatment for the estimated thousands of troops
returning with psychological problems and train and equip National
Guard and reservists on par with their active duty counterparts.
It also wants the military to end its stop-loss policy, which prevents
many soldiers from leaving the military when their term ends.
'It's very scary'
"We need the support of the American people to do more than put a
bumper sticker on their car," said Chris Lawrence of Chicago, who
served in the Army for 12 years and received a Bronze Star for his
service in Iraq.
He encouraged members of the audience to write their congressmen in
support of pending legislation.
Several students said they were outraged by what they heard.
"How is it that soldiers can be fighting in Iraq with no body armor,
and Bush is having a $40 million inauguration party?" one student
asked the panel of soldiers.
The soldiers sidestepped political issues, insisting they were not
anti-war but wanted to get the word out about the needs of soldiers
and their families.
"We're not foreign policy experts. We're just soldiers," Rieckhoff
said.
Freshman A. J. Lebeau, 19, of Park Ridge said the film and talk opened
his mind.
"I was rather shocked," he said.
"I had no idea all that -- the lack of supplies -- was going on over
there. It's been kind of an enlightenment."
Another student, sophomore Colleen Morse, 20, called the soldiers'
accounts "sad and appalling. Apparently we haven't learned from
Vietnam. It's very scary."
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And you thought you knew the whole truth, eh? Well, think again.
Harry
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who havecome home. |
28 Jan 2005 09:59:54 AM |
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Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Nope, she picked out the few ones who would give the slanted view she
wanted to present.
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And you thought you knew the whole truth, eh? Well, think again.
Harry
And you think this tells the whole truth, eh? Well, think again(I know
that's hard for a simple minded liberal).
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| User: "ouroboros rex" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
28 Jan 2005 01:08:05 PM |
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"Cmd Buzz Corey" <us@that.net> wrote in message
news:9sadnVLqtP_t_2fcRVn-tg@gbronline.com...
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll BY CHERYL L. REED
Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Nope, she picked out the few ones who would give the slanted view she
wanted to present.
Cite?
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And you thought you knew the whole truth, eh? Well, think again.
Harry
And you think this tells the whole truth, eh? Well, think again(I know
that's hard for a simple minded liberal).
lol Anonymous Usenet nutcase makes up crap off the top of his head, film at
11!
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28 Jan 2005 04:02:38 PM |
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ouroboros rex wrote:
"Cmd Buzz Corey" <us@that.net> wrote in message
news:9sadnVLqtP_t_2fcRVn-tg@gbronline.com...
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll BY CHERYL L. REED
Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Nope, she picked out the few ones who would give the slanted view she
wanted to present.
Cite?
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| User: "Fredric L. Rice" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
29 Jan 2005 12:32:36 AM |
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Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net> wrote:
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Nope, she picked out the few ones who would give the slanted view she
wanted to present.
Clue for you: All of the Americans over there are committing these
atrocities, not just the ones that this reporter happened to find.
Fucking rightards.
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
28 Jan 2005 03:51:42 PM |
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Cmd Buzz Corey wrote:
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
And how do you feel about a $40 million inauguration
of the new emperor when people lack armour in Iraq.
Don't lie and make fun of it; YOU KNOW that Americans
were sent to Iraq with inadequate armour.
Not surprising you try to make a joke of it.
You obviously HATE American soldiers.
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| User: "John Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
28 Jan 2005 01:38:08 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:54 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net> wrote:
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Please cite a source or documentation for that assertion.
John
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| User: "Cmd Buzz Corey" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who havecome home. |
28 Jan 2005 03:50:18 PM |
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John Brown wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:54 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net> wrote:
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Please cite a source or documentation for that assertion.
John
Please cite source or documentation that she did interview others who
tell a different story.
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| User: "John Brown" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
28 Jan 2005 04:08:27 PM |
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On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 14:50:18 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net> wrote:
John Brown wrote:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2005 08:59:54 -0700, Cmd Buzz Corey <us@that.net> wrote:
Harry the most Hopeless person on the planet wrote:
From The Chicago Sun-Times, 1/27/05:
http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-iraqvets27.html
Returning veterans paint grim picture of war's toll
BY CHERYL L. REED Staff Reporter Advertisement
So did Reed interview others in the majority who tell a different story?
Please cite a source or documentation for that assertion.
John
Please cite source or documentation that she did interview others who
tell a different story.
She is the source and a professional reporter for The Chicago Sun Times. Ever
heard of them? The Chicago Sun Times is owned by Hollinger International---a
multinational corporation owned and controlled by a load of rich fat cats who
are anything but liberal.
It is this professional reporter's job to document her sources and interviews so
they can be fact checked as they are at all major newspapers of record. If
challenged, a major newspaper like the Chicago Sun Times has to be able to
verify such interviews.
In contrast.....you have nothing. You're just blowing smoke.
That's why the Chicago Sun Times has more credibility when it speaks than you
do.
John
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| User: "JayD" |
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| Title: Re: Whats really going on in Iraq.....from the veterans who have come home. |
28 Jan 2005 01:53:40 PM |
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http://optruth.org/main.cfm
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