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"Harry Hope" |
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08 Nov 2004 07:31:30 AM |
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When election results can't be validated, elections are not valid. |
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss.
The purposes for Rove’s talk show circuit appearance was not so much
to talk about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend
credibility to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is
wrong.
Our media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to
capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best.
Faced with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as "skewed'"” and "under-representing the Bush voters."
He offered no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a
point of rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the
election to his boy.
The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted to talk
with exit pollsters is patently absurd.
Millions of people had voted by the time the pollsters had made their
initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls???
Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with paper
trails for their voting machines Karl?
I guess the roving lunatic would have us believe that Bush-backers in
those two states had no problem talking to the pollsters, but in those
crucial states, such as Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous.
Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that".
Well, not exactly Mr. Rove.
What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of
the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties.
You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in
Florida, we actually now see a near reversal of the votes.
For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes
there is no conceivable way that total could be reached.
In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans,
all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would
have had to have voted for Bush.
That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%.
C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers?
If Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big
deal. Baker County is the rule however, not the exception.
In over 20 counties, the results show that the reverse of what the
voters’ registrations should have born out.
Twenty counties Karl.
How long do you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New
Hampshire . It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at
these numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl?
People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they voted for.
Those results are compiled.
There is nothing insane about this process.
It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least until Bush came
around.
I can understand why it drove Rove insane, because it would be
difficult to explain how so many registered democrats ALL seemed to
reverse course on Election Day.
You see, Karl Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn’t match the
tampered results.
Faced with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity
of the exit polls.
He started early on election eve, planting the seed.
Then, when the "votes" came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it
was the polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers.
Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County, but eventually
someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and realize
that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the exact
opposite of the expected results turned out.
Now, the plan is simple.
Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem legitimate.
Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of Information Act
inquiries pending regarding the computer records from this election.
Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state building a few
days ago protesting their disenfranchisement.
Ignore the drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has
been circumvented.
Hope that eventually the American people will just get lazy again.
They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time around?
Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration.
Have him speak about "spending his capital".
Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a mandate.
Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don’t see you for
what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing
lies, a failed president, and a stolen election.
Sorry Karl, we are not going anywhere this time.
__________________________________________________________
Would you accept a balance sheet that can't be audited? Would you buy
a house that can't be inspected? Of course you wouldn't. But now the
Republicans want us to buy the Brooklyn Bridge. They're cute, ain't
they.
Harry
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| User: "Jim E" |
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08 Nov 2004 02:09:28 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
YADDA YADDA THIS WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
LOL
Jim E
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| User: "Walden ODell" |
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10 Nov 2004 10:41:17 AM |
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Jim E wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
YADDA YADDA THIS WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
LOL
Jim E
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss. The
purposes for Rove’s talk show circuit appearance was not so much to talk
about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend credibility
to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is wrong. Our
media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best. Faced
with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as “skewed” and “under-representing the Bush voters”. He offered
no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a point of
rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the election to
his boy. The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted
to talk with exit pollsters is patently absurd. Millions of people had
voted by the time the pollsters had made their initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls??? Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with
paper trails for their voting machines Karl? I guess the roving lunatic
would have us believe that Bush-backers in those two states had no
problem talking to the pollsters, but in those crucial states, such as
Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous. Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that". Well, not exactly Mr. Rove. What this election
confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of the vote counts in at
least 23 Florida counties. You see, when you look at small, traditional
democratic counties in Florida , we actually now see a near reversal of
the votes. For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around
7,700 votes there is no conceivable way that total could be reached. In
order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans, all
800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would have had
to have voted for Bush. That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000,
nearly 50%. C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers? If
Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big deal.
Baker County is the rule however, not the exception. In over 20
counties, the results show that the reverse of what the voters’
registrations should have born out. Twenty counties Karl. How long do
you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New Hampshire
.. It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at these
numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl? People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they
voted for. Those results are compiled. There is nothing insane about
this process. It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least
until Bush came around. I can understand why it drove Rove insane,
because it would be difficult to explain how so many registered
democrats ALL seemed to reverse course on Election Day. You see, Karl
Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn’t match the tampered results. Faced
with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity of the
exit polls. He started early on election eve, planting the seed. Then,
when the “votes” came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it was the
polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers. Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County , but
eventually someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and
realize that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the
exact opposite of the expected results turned out. Now, the plan is
simple. Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem
legitimate. Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of
Information Act inquiries pending regarding the computer records from
this election. Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state
building a few days ago protesting their disenfranchisement. Ignore the
drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has been
circumvented. Hope that eventually the American people will just get
lazy again. They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time
around? Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration. Have him speak
about “spending his capital”. Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a
mandate. Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don’t see
you for what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing lies,
a failed president, and a stolen election. Sorry Karl, we are not going
anywhere this time.
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| User: "Diogenes" |
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10 Nov 2004 11:05:06 AM |
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"Walden O'Dell" <Walden.O'Dell@DeiboldElection.Fraud> wrote in message
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Jim E wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
YADDA YADDA THIS WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
LOL
Jim E
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
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| User: "ajv2003" |
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11 Nov 2004 12:45:39 AM |
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Diogenes wrote:
"Walden O'Dell" <Walden.O'Dell@DeiboldElection.Fraud> wrote in message
news:Nwrkd.6791$Do4.942@chiapp18.algx.net...
Jim E wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
YADDA YADDA THIS WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
LOL
Jim E
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
He is at least consistant.
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| User: "Walden ODell" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:18:29 PM |
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Diogenes wrote:
"Walden O'Dell" <Walden.O'Dell@DeiboldElection.Fraud> wrote in message
news:Nwrkd.6791$Do4.942@chiapp18.algx.net...
Jim E wrote:
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
YADDA YADDA THIS WILL GO ON FOR YEARS.
LOL
Jim E
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Would you like some cheese with your whine?
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss. The
purposes for Rove’s talk show circuit appearance was not so much to talk
about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend credibility
to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is wrong. Our
media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best. Faced
with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as “skewed” and “under-representing the Bush voters”. He offered
no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a point of
rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the election to
his boy. The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted
to talk with exit pollsters is patently absurd. Millions of people had
voted by the time the pollsters had made their initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls??? Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with
paper trails for their voting machines Karl? I guess the roving lunatic
would have us believe that Bush-backers in those two states had no
problem talking to the pollsters, but in those crucial states, such as
Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous. Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that". Well, not exactly Mr. Rove. What this election
confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of the vote counts in at
least 23 Florida counties. You see, when you look at small, traditional
democratic counties in Florida , we actually now see a near reversal of
the votes. For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around
7,700 votes there is no conceivable way that total could be reached. In
order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans, all
800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would have had
to have voted for Bush. That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000,
nearly 50%. C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers? If
Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big deal.
Baker County is the rule however, not the exception. In over 20
counties, the results show that the reverse of what the voters’
registrations should have born out. Twenty counties Karl. How long do
you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New Hampshire
.. It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at these
numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl? People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they
voted for. Those results are compiled. There is nothing insane about
this process. It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least
until Bush came around. I can understand why it drove Rove insane,
because it would be difficult to explain how so many registered
democrats ALL seemed to reverse course on Election Day. You see, Karl
Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn’t match the tampered results. Faced
with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity of the
exit polls. He started early on election eve, planting the seed. Then,
when the “votes” came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it was the
polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers. Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County , but
eventually someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and
realize that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the
exact opposite of the expected results turned out. Now, the plan is
simple. Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem
legitimate. Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of
Information Act inquiries pending regarding the computer records from
this election. Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state
building a few days ago protesting their disenfranchisement. Ignore the
drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has been
circumvented. Hope that eventually the American people will just get
lazy again. They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time
around? Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration. Have him speak
about “spending his capital”. Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a
mandate. Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don’t see
you for what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing lies,
a failed president, and a stolen election. Sorry Karl, we are not going
anywhere this time.
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| User: "Sir Cumference" |
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10 Nov 2004 11:59:17 AM |
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Walden O'Dell wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
All this mumbo jumbo about wide spread election fraud is just that,
mumbo jumbo. There is no evidence of wide spread fraud. There were and
always have been anomalies in voting, especially in a nation wide voting
process. The simple minded dummycrat liberals keep yammering on and on
about the exit polls and about in Florida how could counties with so
many democrats registered and much fewer republicans possibly go with
Bush. Lafayatte, one of the counties in question has 3,570 registered
democrats and 570 republicans, yet Kerry got 845 votes and Bush received
2,460. A sure sign of voter fraud correct? In the minds of the simple
minded dummycrat conspiracy nuts, yes...but look at the facts.
In the election four years ago, Bush got 1,670 votes and Gore got 789
votes. More proof of conspiracy I guess. Four years before that, the
Dole/Kemp ticket got 1,166 votes while Clinton/Gore only got 829 votes.
Voter fraud in three elections? I hardly think so, it just proves that a
lot of democrats in Lafayette voted for republicans for president.
Hey, there are smart democrats out there.
Rep. Kendric Meek, Florida Democrat who was co-chairman for the Kerry
Campaign in Florida does not see any evidence of voter fraud, he says in
reference to the Kerry campaign, "we did a good job, the other side did
a better job."
The Cuyahoga County Ohio web site said there were more votes than voters
in that county. The web site was wrong and it has been corrected.
Three Democratic Congressmen have writing letters of complaint to the
Government Accountability Office. There are no FBI investigations going
on into voter fraud, there is no real evidence of wide spread voter
fraud, it is a non-issue except in the minds simple minded liberals and
on conspiracy nut case web sites.
You who keep yammering about voter fraud are just pissing into the wind
and it's all blowing back into your face.
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| User: "Walden ODell" |
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10 Nov 2004 01:18:45 PM |
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Sir Cumference wrote:
Walden O'Dell wrote:
Blah, blah, blah, blah.
All this mumbo jumbo about wide spread election fraud is just that,
mumbo jumbo. There is no evidence of wide spread fraud. There were and
always have been anomalies in voting, especially in a nation wide voting
process. The simple minded dummycrat liberals keep yammering on and on
about the exit polls and about in Florida how could counties with so
many democrats registered and much fewer republicans possibly go with
Bush. Lafayatte, one of the counties in question has 3,570 registered
democrats and 570 republicans, yet Kerry got 845 votes and Bush received
2,460. A sure sign of voter fraud correct? In the minds of the simple
minded dummycrat conspiracy nuts, yes...but look at the facts.
In the election four years ago, Bush got 1,670 votes and Gore got 789
votes. More proof of conspiracy I guess. Four years before that, the
Dole/Kemp ticket got 1,166 votes while Clinton/Gore only got 829 votes.
Voter fraud in three elections? I hardly think so, it just proves that a
lot of democrats in Lafayette voted for republicans for president.
Hey, there are smart democrats out there.
Rep. Kendric Meek, Florida Democrat who was co-chairman for the Kerry
Campaign in Florida does not see any evidence of voter fraud, he says in
reference to the Kerry campaign, "we did a good job, the other side did
a better job."
The Cuyahoga County Ohio web site said there were more votes than voters
in that county. The web site was wrong and it has been corrected.
Three Democratic Congressmen have writing letters of complaint to the
Government Accountability Office. There are no FBI investigations going
on into voter fraud, there is no real evidence of wide spread voter
fraud, it is a non-issue except in the minds simple minded liberals and
on conspiracy nut case web sites.
You who keep yammering about voter fraud are just pissing into the wind
and it's all blowing back into your face.
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
www.opednews.com
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss. The
purposes for Rove’s talk show circuit appearance was not so much to talk
about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend credibility
to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is wrong. Our
media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best. Faced
with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as “skewed” and “under-representing the Bush voters”. He offered
no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a point of
rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the election to
his boy. The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted
to talk with exit pollsters is patently absurd. Millions of people had
voted by the time the pollsters had made their initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls??? Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with
paper trails for their voting machines Karl? I guess the roving lunatic
would have us believe that Bush-backers in those two states had no
problem talking to the pollsters, but in those crucial states, such as
Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous. Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that". Well, not exactly Mr. Rove. What this election
confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of the vote counts in at
least 23 Florida counties. You see, when you look at small, traditional
democratic counties in Florida , we actually now see a near reversal of
the votes. For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around
7,700 votes there is no conceivable way that total could be reached. In
order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans, all
800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would have had
to have voted for Bush. That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000,
nearly 50%. C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers? If
Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big deal.
Baker County is the rule however, not the exception. In over 20
counties, the results show that the reverse of what the voters’
registrations should have born out. Twenty counties Karl. How long do
you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New Hampshire
.. It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at these
numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl? People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they
voted for. Those results are compiled. There is nothing insane about
this process. It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least
until Bush came around. I can understand why it drove Rove insane,
because it would be difficult to explain how so many registered
democrats ALL seemed to reverse course on Election Day. You see, Karl
Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn’t match the tampered results. Faced
with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity of the
exit polls. He started early on election eve, planting the seed. Then,
when the “votes” came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it was the
polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers. Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County , but
eventually someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and
realize that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the
exact opposite of the expected results turned out. Now, the plan is
simple. Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem
legitimate. Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of
Information Act inquiries pending regarding the computer records from
this election. Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state
building a few days ago protesting their disenfranchisement. Ignore the
drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has been
circumvented. Hope that eventually the American people will just get
lazy again. They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time
around? Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration. Have him speak
about “spending his capital”. Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a
mandate. Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don’t see
you for what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing lies,
a failed president, and a stolen election. Sorry Karl, we are not going
anywhere this time.
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| User: "bpvh" |
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| Title: Re: When election results can't be validated, elections are not valid. |
08 Nov 2004 05:22:15 PM |
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"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
snipped
What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of
the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties.
You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in
Florida, we actually now see a near reversal of the votes.
For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes
there is no conceivable way that total could be reached.
In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered
republicans,
all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would
have had to have voted for Bush.
That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%.
Traditionally Democratic counties? Hah.
Baker went for Bush II in 2000 by 5610/2392 over Gore
Baker went for Dole !!! over Clinton in 1996 by 3684/2273
Baker went for Bush I over Clinton in 1992 by 3417/1974
Baker went for Bush I over Dukakis in 1988 by 3418/1355
Baker went for Reagon over Mondale in in 1984 by 3485/1381
Baker county had 12887 registered voters in the 2004 presidential
election.
Sources:
http://www.polidata.us/books/FL/default.htm
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/12003.html
http://election.dos.state.fl.us/voterreg/pdf/2004/2004genjud.pdf
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08 Nov 2004 09:53:39 AM |
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Hey Harry Hopeless -
It's hopeless Harry - go drink your Kool-Aid.
Regards,
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 13:31:30 GMT, Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com>
wrote:
snipped...
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| User: "Walden ODell" |
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08 Nov 2004 11:13:42 AM |
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Charlie Wolf wrote:
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss.
The purposes for Rove’s talk show circuit appearance was not so much
to talk about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend
credibility to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is
wrong.
Our media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to
capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best.
Faced with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as "skewed'"” and "under-representing the Bush voters."
He offered no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a
point of rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the
election to his boy.
The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted to talk
with exit pollsters is patently absurd.
Millions of people had voted by the time the pollsters had made their
initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls???
Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with paper
trails for their voting machines Karl?
I guess the roving lunatic would have us believe that Bush-backers in
those two states had no problem talking to the pollsters, but in those
crucial states, such as Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous.
Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that".
Well, not exactly Mr. Rove.
What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of
the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties.
You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in
Florida, we actually now see a near reversal of the votes.
For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes
there is no conceivable way that total could be reached.
In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans,
all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would
have had to have voted for Bush.
That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%.
C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers?
If Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big
deal. Baker County is the rule however, not the exception.
In over 20 counties, the results show that the reverse of what the
voters’ registrations should have born out.
Twenty counties Karl.
How long do you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New
Hampshire . It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at
these numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl?
People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they voted for.
Those results are compiled.
There is nothing insane about this process.
It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least until Bush came
around.
I can understand why it drove Rove insane, because it would be
difficult to explain how so many registered democrats ALL seemed to
reverse course on Election Day.
You see, Karl Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn’t match the
tampered results.
Faced with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity
of the exit polls.
He started early on election eve, planting the seed.
Then, when the "votes" came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it
was the polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers.
Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County, but eventually
someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and realize
that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the exact
opposite of the expected results turned out.
Now, the plan is simple.
Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem legitimate.
Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of Information Act
inquiries pending regarding the computer records from this election.
Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state building a few
days ago protesting their disenfranchisement.
Ignore the drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has
been circumvented.
Hope that eventually the American people will just get lazy again.
They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time around?
Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration.
Have him speak about "spending his capital".
Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a mandate.
Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don’t see you for
what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing
lies, a failed president, and a stolen election.
Sorry Karl, we are not going anywhere this time.
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| User: "bpvh" |
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10 Nov 2004 04:36:37 PM |
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"Walden O'Dell" <Walden.O'Dell@DeiboldElection.Fraud> wrote in message
news:aPNjd.6204$Do4.1757@chiapp18.algx.net...
Charlie Wolf wrote:
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud
and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man
behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss.
snipped
What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of
the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties.
You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in
Florida, we actually now see a near reversal of the votes.
For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes
there is no conceivable way that total could be reached.
In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered
republicans,
all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would
have had to have voted for Bush.
That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%.
C’mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers?
If Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big
deal. Baker County is the rule however, not the exception.
In over 20 counties, the results show that the reverse of what the
voters’ registrations should have born out.
Twenty counties Karl.
How long do you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
So some counties in Florida voted contrary to their party registration
in 2004. But guess what, these counties have been voting contrary to
their party registration for the past two decades:
AVG Chg
County RRep RDem D'04 D'00 D'96 D'92 D'88 D'84 84-00
04-A
Baker 24.3 69.3 21.7 29.4 34.3 29.4 28.3 28.4 30.0 -8.3
Bradford 28.3 61.4 29.7 35.5 40.7 36.7 36.0 36.2 37.0 -7.3
Calhoun 11.9 82.4 35.2 41.7 43.2 36.5 35.1 34.5 38.2 -3.0
Columbia 31.3 56.5 32.0 38.1 41.0 37.0 34.2 32.6 36.6 -4.6
DeSoto 25.4 59.3 41.0 42.6 43.0 35.7 33.7 32.3 37.5 3.6
Dixie 15.0 77.5 30.3 39.2 45.6 42.6 40.2 35.7
40.7 -10.4
Franklin 15.9 77.3 40.2 44.1 45.9 35.4 39.3 32.9 39.5 0.7
Gadsden 11.2 82.9 69.4 66.2 66.3 59.2 50.7 56.0 59.7 9.7
Gilchrist 30.4 58.6 28.6 35.4 41.4 37.8 37.8 33.8 37.2 -8.6
Glades 24.8 64.8 40.9 42.9 44.6 38.8 39.9 35.0 40.2 0.6
Gulf 26.6 67.1 32.9 39.1 41.4 33.2 34.7 33.3 36.3 -3.5
Hamilton 14.9 78.9 44.0 43.6 47.3 43.6 38.8 42.2 43.1 0.9
Hardee 26.7 63.8 29.5 37.5 39.0 31.5 31.1 28.0 33.4 -3.9
Hendry 30.8 56.5 40.4 39.8 43.6 33.6 33.7 30.9 36.3 4.0
Holmes 21.3 72.7 21.7 29.5 34.0 28.9 27.8 21.3 28.3 -6.6
Jackson 22.0 71.5 38.0 42.2 43.0 37.4 37.1 35.3 39.0 -1.0
Jefferson 20.7 72.3 55.1 53.9 52.9 48.6 46.7 47.8 50.0 5.1
Lafayette 13.2 82.8 25.2 31.5 35.7 34.4 33.0 36.3 34.2 -9.0
Levy 27.6 59.7 36.3 42.5 44.6 39.7 39.1 35.8 40.3 -4.1
Liberty 7.9 88.3 35.1 42.2 40.1 32.0 32.6 31.5 35.7 -0.6
Madison 14.9 79.5 48.5 49.0 50.0 45.4 43.1 42.7 46.0 2.5
Okeechobee 29.7 58.5 42.1 46.6 48.6 36.5 38.6 33.4 40.7 1.3
Putnam 28.1 57.7 39.9 46.2 47.8 41.8 42.2 40.6 43.7 -3.8
Suwannee 26.8 63.6 28.5 32.8 36.9 35.1 34.3 31.4 34.1 -5.6
Taylor 18.9 75.6 35.4 38.9 44.8 35.7 30.0 30.0 35.9 -0.5
Union 18.3 75.5 26.5 36.8 40.1 35.0 29.4 29.7 34.2 -7.7
Wakulla 24.2 66.9 41.4 44.7 42.6 34.6 33.4 32.2 37.5 3.9
Washington 25.4 67.0 27.9 34.9 38.1 32.5 32.7 29.4 33.5 -5.7
In the above 28 counties in Florida, none have less than 50%
Democratic Party registration. In fact, the county average is about
70% Democratic party registration. And yet, in presidential elections
from 1984 to 2000, only 3 of these counties, Gadsen, Jefferson, and
Madison, averaged greater than a 45% vote for the Democratic
candidate.
From 1984 to 2000, the average county vote was 38.5% for the
Democratic candidate and in 2004, the average county vote was 36.3%
for the Democratic candidate.
This is not vote fraud. This is reality.
These 25 counties, which for whatever reason have Democratic party
registrations, vote Republican for President time and time again.
-bpvh
Source for 2004 data:
http://enight.dos.state.fl.us/
Source for 1984-2000 data:
http://www.polidata.us/books/FL/default.htm
Source for Pary Registration data:
http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm
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| User: "Charlie Wolf" |
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08 Nov 2004 01:10:25 PM |
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You have my permission to drink some of Harry's Kool-Aid too...
Regards,
On Mon, 08 Nov 2004 17:13:42 GMT, Walden O'Dell
<Walden.O'Dell@DeiboldElection.Fraud> wrote:
Charlie Wolf wrote:
no - I didn't...
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| User: "" |
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08 Nov 2004 07:50:53 AM |
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OP ED - NEWS.... Now there's an OXYMORON for ya.... Actual it's a Moronic
blog preaching to the lemming choir!
But that's exactly the kind of hyperbolic, emotional knee-jerk rhetoric we
have come to expect from the NOW TOTALLY discredited Fringe Left Wing
Whiners....
Thanks for not disappointing us again hairy...
"Harry Hope" <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
news:97tuo0datbfq6sgksc1e6en98m0v8uaf0n@4ax.com...
http://www.opednews.com/wade_110804_rove.htm
Votergate 2004; Karl Rove on the Dis-Information Trail
By Anthony Wade
Faced with mounting drumbeats from the Internet about voter fraud and
the probability that Bush has stolen another election, the man behind
the curtain stepped outside today to do a victory lap for his boss.
The purposes for Rove's talk show circuit appearance was not so much
to talk about anything factual, as much as it was designed to lend
credibility to a faltering electoral result by pretending nothing is
wrong.
Our media, ever absent from protecting us, was more than happy to
capitulate.
Since election night, Rove has been at his dis-informational best.
Faced with the accurate exit-polling that showed a Kerry landslide was
imminent, it was Rove and the Bush cabal that came out to denounce the
polling as "skewed'"" and "under-representing the Bush voters."
He offered no proof of course but it was wholly necessary to have a
point of rebuttal before the Diebold machines kicked in and gave the
election to his boy.
The notion that somehow only people who voted for Kerry wanted to talk
with exit pollsters is patently absurd.
Millions of people had voted by the time the pollsters had made their
initial findings known.
Are we really to believe that time after time, in multiple states, at
different polling sites, all Bush voters did not want to answer exit
polls???
Why then were the exit polls correct in the two states with paper
trails for their voting machines Karl?
I guess the roving lunatic would have us believe that Bush-backers in
those two states had no problem talking to the pollsters, but in those
crucial states, such as Florida and Ohio , they got all nervous.
Sure Karl.
Attempting to legitimize the results today Rove said, "The country is
still close, but it has moved in a Republican direction. This election
confirmed that".
Well, not exactly Mr. Rove.
What this election confirmed is that there was gross manipulation of
the vote counts in at least 23 Florida counties.
You see, when you look at small, traditional democratic counties in
Florida, we actually now see a near reversal of the votes.
For example, in Baker County, where Bush received around 7,700 votes
there is no conceivable way that total could be reached.
In order for that to have happened, all 3,000 registered republicans,
all 800 non-affiliated voters, and 4,000 registered democrats would
have had to have voted for Bush.
That is 4,000 democrats out of less than 10,000, nearly 50%.
C'mon Karl, what did you guys do with the computers?
If Baker County was an anomaly then maybe we could say it was no big
deal. Baker County is the rule however, not the exception.
In over 20 counties, the results show that the reverse of what the
voters' registrations should have born out.
Twenty counties Karl.
How long do you think you can continue to pimp this lie?
In discussing the exit polls Rove said today, "I mean, it had us 19
points down in Pennsylvania . It had us 17 points down in New
Hampshire . It had us 1 point up in Virginia . I mean, you looked at
these numbers, and you realize, this is just insane."
Insane Karl?
People come out from voting and tell the pollsters who they voted for.
Those results are compiled.
There is nothing insane about this process.
It has worked flawlessly for a long time now, at least until Bush came
around.
I can understand why it drove Rove insane, because it would be
difficult to explain how so many registered democrats ALL seemed to
reverse course on Election Day.
You see, Karl Rove knew that the exit polls wouldn't match the
tampered results.
Faced with this dilemma, he had no choice but to question the veracity
of the exit polls.
He started early on election eve, planting the seed.
Then, when the "votes" came in, he allowed the seed to grow, until it
was the polls, not the votes that were questioned.
Unfortunately for Karl, the truth would remain hidden within the
numbers.
Maybe it would be Baker County or Lafayette County, but eventually
someone would simply lay out the numbers in a spreadsheet and realize
that there is no conceivable way that in so many counties, the exact
opposite of the expected results turned out.
Now, the plan is simple.
Make the rounds on the talk shows, make everything seem legitimate.
Ignore the fact that there are now 3,000 Freedom of Information Act
inquiries pending regarding the computer records from this election.
Ignore the fact that citizens in Ohio stormed the state building a few
days ago protesting their disenfranchisement.
Ignore the drumbeats from the real people who know that their will has
been circumvented.
Hope that eventually the American people will just get lazy again.
They did in 2000, so why not expect the same this time around?
Hope that you can just ignore the elephant in the room until the
election is certified and your boy has his inauguration.
Have him speak about "spending his capital".
Keep repeating the lies that Bush has a mandate.
Ignore, delay, and hope that we all just go away and don't see you for
what you are and what you represent.
You are nothing more than the man behind the curtain, representing
lies, a failed president, and a stolen election.
Sorry Karl, we are not going anywhere this time.
Yo never did hairy. Just do a google on news groups and your rank is right
up there with the worse of them!
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Would you accept a balance sheet that can't be audited? Would you buy
a house that can't be inspected? Of course you wouldn't. But now the
Republicans want us to buy the Brooklyn Bridge. They're cute, ain't
they.
Harry
Please continue the whining about the 04 election hairy. It only
marginalizes your ilk further in the minds of rationale Americans and
forever convinces sound minds that the extreme left really is the enemy
within!
LN
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