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User: "Ken [NY"
Date: 20 Jul 2004 10:11:56 AM
Object: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?
Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?
WASHINGTON - Lost in the cheering over the John Edwards pick and the
cacophony following President Bush's refusal to speak at the NAACP
convention this past week were reports that Bush might have been right
after all when he said that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear
weapons.
Bush was forced to back off the assertion, made in his 2003 State of
the Union speech, after Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador to the West
African nation of Gabon, concluded that it was highly doubtful that
any such Iraqi effort to buy uranium ever took place.
In a July 6, 2003, op-ed piece in the New York Times, Wilson suggested
the reports were based, in part, on "probably forged" documents. And
he charged that the Bush administration "twisted (the intelligence) to
exaggerate the Iraqi threat."
Wilson's charges, embraced by Democrats and publicized far and wide by
a news media all too willing to believe the worst about Bush, were
given great credence because Wilson was the man chosen by the CIA to
investigate the suspected Iraqi effort.
By his concluding that the Iraqi uranium-buying attempt was pure
fiction, it gave critics of the war in Iraq one more chance to call
Bush a liar and say he took the United States into battle under false
pretenses.
Thus, Wilson became a great hero. And the laurel-leaf crown on his
head became thicker and shinier when allegations arose that someone in
the White House, in apparent retaliation against Wilson's
whistle-blowing, leaked to newspaper columnist Robert Novak the fact
that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was an undercover CIA agent.
That further inflamed the Bush critics, touching off cries for a full
criminal investigation into the leak. That probe is under way.
Time magazine put the saintly Wilson on its cover last October. Wilson
subsequently wrote a book about the whole nasty business, depicting
himself and his wife as martyrs in the cause of truth. That set off a
whole new round of media swooning. For two weeks in May, Wilson was
everywhere.
But now, two reports have surfaced that suggest Wilson might have been
wrong, and Bush might have been right in saying Iraq tried to buy
uranium in the African nation of Niger.
The first came in the widely ballyhooed Senate Intelligence Committee
report, which earlier this month concluded that much of the
intelligence Bush relied on to make his case for war against Iraq was
faulty.
It also found that Wilson's investigative trip to Niger in 2002
actually "lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the
uranium deal."
Second, the Senate report said that Wilson "was specifically
recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to
what he has said publicly."
Wilson, in several media interviews, denied that his wife had anything
to do with suggesting that he undertake the mission.
ABC News' Ted Koppel, on the Sept. 30, 2003, edition of "Nightline"
asked Wilson, "Did your wife propose to her CIA colleagues that they
call her husband, you?" Wilson replied, "No."
Further knocking down Wilson's case was this past week's release of a
British board of inquiry report into intelligence leading up to the
Iraq war. "The British government had intelligence from several
different sources" that Iraqi officials tried to buy uranium from
Niger in 1999. "The intelligence was credible," the report said.
But now that the Wilson case has been debunked, it is interesting to
note that the news media, so eager to build him up, and tear Bush
down, now seem reluctant to tell the rest of the story, or at least
the next chapter. Wilson, who had been a fixture on television, now
seems to have disappeared. Democrats are silent.
Why were the media so willing to believe Wilson when he was an obvious
Democratic partisan? He not only worked for the National Security
Council in the Clinton White House, he also is a foreign policy
adviser to the Democratic presidential campaign of John Kerry. Why,
indeed?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2004-07-18-benedetto_x.htm
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User: "Pug Fugly!"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 10:31:05 AM
"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:iddqf09a31taekk8c1ka8pv9kfr6iqr7k8@4ax.com...


Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

WASHINGTON - Lost in the cheering over the John Edwards pick and the
cacophony following President Bush's refusal to speak at the NAACP
convention this past week were reports that Bush might have been right
after all when he said that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear
weapons.
CHOP<

I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in Nuclear
(?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to attack a
nation without ANY evidence that Saddam in particular had such capabilities?
If it does, why didn't the US attack India, Pakistan, China, Great Britain,
Russia, ect.?
"The war to disarm Iraq is over, but the proof that Baghdad had revived its
nuclear arms program - like Saddam himself - is still missing. And the
allies' failure to find clear proof that Iraq had any weapons of mass
destruction (WMD) has become a source of embarrassment for both Blair and
Bush.
Some lawmakers in the United States and Britain have expressed worries that
their governments misrepresented the evidence about Iraq's nuclear
capabilities and want Bush to explain his pre-war claims that Iraq was
seeking nuclear arms."
http://www.enn.com/news/2003-06-10/s_4878.asp
Bush owes the People of the United States an explanation.
He works for us an Bush is incompetent.
He's fired.
.
User: "Sam"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 11:09:05 AM
Pug Fugly! intoned :



I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation

Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.
--
Sam-I-Am
What makes humility so desirable is the marvelous thing it does to us;
it creates in us a capacity for the closest possible intimacy with God.
-Monica Baldwin
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User: "Pug Fugly!"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 11:29:38 AM
"Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote in message
news:BsbLc.79403$uK.2453@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Pug Fugly! intoned :



I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it

does.
Never ceases to amaze me how a Pug makes up a story, tells himself it's
"true" and then actually expects everyone to be a gd stupid as he is and
believe the untruths.
eeeegad!
Spin yourself silly.
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User: "Otis Tyler"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 11:38:37 AM
"Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote in message
news:BsbLc.79403$uK.2453@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Pug Fugly! intoned :



I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it

does.
Righhhtt. Why did Bush never mention this in his WMD scare speeches.
.
User: "Sam"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 01:34:14 PM
Otis Tyler intoned :


Why did Bush never mention this in his WMD scare speeches.

Since he did mention it, repeatedly, your question is meaningless.
Perhaps you simply have to be intelligent enough to understand his
speeches.
--
Sam-I-Am
The world presents itself according to the viewpoint of each person.
Whatever kind of person one is, one will see that kind of world;
whatever kind of mindset one has, one will derive that kind of
conclusion.
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User: "Ć"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 01:51:02 PM
"Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote in message
news:GAdLc.52711$IX4.6504995@twister.tampabay.rr.com...

Otis Tyler intoned :


Why did Bush never mention this in his WMD scare speeches.


Since he did mention it, repeatedly, your question is meaningless.

Perhaps you simply have to be intelligent enough to understand his
speeches.

Only a Flake would try to understand an Imbecile's stuttering, stumbling and
lying.
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User: "Hod"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have beenright? 20 Jul 2004 06:59:31 PM
Sam wrote:

Otis Tyler intoned :

Why did Bush never mention this in his WMD scare speeches.



Since he did mention it, repeatedly, your question is meaningless.

Perhaps you simply have to be intelligent enough to understand his
speeches.

Or stupid enough to listen
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User: "Harry"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 06:30:05 PM
"Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote in message news:<BsbLc.79403$uK.2453@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...

Pug Fugly! intoned :



I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.

You think to yourself, these folks can't be more stupid, more
hypocritical, more defensive and more locked into their partisan
positions, irrespective of fact, and then you read "Pug Fugly" and you
know there are still depths of degradation you haven't plumbed.
Not only was it an attack, but it was a war crime, fought on the basis
of lies and in opposition to international law. We look forward to
seeing President Cheney and VP Lay standing trial before the
international war crime tribunal in the Hague, just like Milosovich.
And secondly, if possession of nuclear weapons constituted a cause for
war, why aren't you invading Israel, Britain, France, PRC, Russia,
Pakistan, India and South Africa? I believe the US also possesses
nuclear weapons, is that correct?
An attack on a nation on the basis that that nation posssessed nuclear
weapons would be an act of international terrorism so egregious (look
it up, dittohead) that the international community would have to act
(and I have NO illusions about that international community,
either....it would have to be a towering crime to move those guys, but
this would be just that, a towering crime).
But since your President Cheney, VP Lay, Murdoch, Scaife and some
others are already going to be indicted for war crimes, I doubt you're
much interested. Me, I'm already trying to get seats for the hanging.
.
User: "Jason Gallas"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 06:53:42 PM
On 20 Jul 2004 16:30:05 -0700,
(Harry) wrote:
:"Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote in message news:<BsbLc.79403$uK.2453@twister.tampabay.rr.com>...
:> Pug Fugly! intoned :
:> >
:> >
:> > I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
:> > Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
:> > attack a nation
:>
:> Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
:> hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.
:
:You think to yourself, these folks can't be more stupid, more
:hypocritical, more defensive and more locked into their partisan
:positions, irrespective of fact, and then you read "Pug Fugly" and you
:know there are still depths of degradation you haven't plumbed.
:
:Not only was it an attack, but it was a war crime, fought on the basis
:of lies
Lies perpetrated by whom? The Clinton administration?
and in opposition to international law. We look forward to
:seeing President Cheney and VP Lay standing trial before the
:international war crime tribunal in the Hague, just like Milosovich.
Exactly which international laws were broken?
:And secondly, if possession of nuclear weapons constituted a cause for
:war, why aren't you invading Israel, Britain, France, PRC, Russia,
:Pakistan, India and South Africa? I believe the US also possesses
:nuclear weapons, is that correct?
Yes, and those nations all admit to having them...unlike Saddam.
Also, one of the conditions of the peace treaty in 1991 was that he
would not pursue those types of weapons.
:An attack on a nation on the basis that that nation posssessed nuclear
:weapons would be an act of international terrorism so egregious (look
:it up, dittohead) that the international community would have to act
:(and I have NO illusions about that international community,
:either....it would have to be a towering crime to move those guys, but
:this would be just that, a towering crime).
This is your opinion. Do you have any references to back it up?
:But since your President Cheney, VP Lay, Murdoch, Scaife and some
:others are already going to be indicted for war crimes, I doubt you're
:much interested. Me, I'm already trying to get seats for the hanging.
If the president committed war crimes why aren't the democrats calling
for hearings?
.
User: "Sam"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 07:12:26 PM
Jason Gallas intoned :


I believe the US also
possesses nuclear weapons, is that correct?


Yes, and those nations all admit to having them...unlike Saddam.

Right. If a guy with a gun runs and hides behind a tree, and the cop
tells him to throw his gun out, and the guy says "I don't have a gun!", the
cop is within his rights to unholster his own gun. Then if the cops says,
"If you don't have a gun, then show me your hands" and the guy shows one
hand, then brings that hand back and after a while shows the other hand, the
cop is correct if he aims his gun at the guy. And if the cop says come out
from behind the tree and the guy comes out with one hand behind his back,
and starts advancing on the cop and refuses to obey an order to stop, then
if I were the cop, I would fire.
Bush fired. Sure, now he has to face an investigation, but it's better
to be tried by 12 than to be carried by 6.
--
Sam-I-Am
Sooner or later we must realize there is no station, no one place to
arrive at once and for all. The true joy of life is the trip. - Robert
J. Hastings, "The Station"
.



User: ""

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 03:08:38 PM
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:09:05 GMT, "Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote:

Pug Fugly! intoned :



I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.

You dumb *****, Samloon
The US went to the Gulf to counter an attack on Kuwait
The ceasefire ended hostilities after Saddam was stopped
No further hostilites were authorized under the Former conditions, and
the reason why the UN authorized "use of force" last year was because
of the LIES that Bush told.
You're just a loony *****, Sam
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User: "Jason Gallas"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 05:14:15 PM
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:08:38 -0600,
wrote:
:On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:09:05 GMT, "Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote:
:
:>Pug Fugly! intoned :
:>>
:>>
:>> I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
:>> Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
:>> attack a nation
:>
:> Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
:>hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.
:
:You dumb *****, Samloon
:
:The US went to the Gulf to counter an attack on Kuwait
:
:The ceasefire ended hostilities after Saddam was stopped
Only under certain conditions agreed to by the Iraqis. Once they
broke those conditions hostilities were free to resume.
:No further hostilites were authorized under the Former conditions, and
:the reason why the UN authorized "use of force" last year was because
:of the LIES that Bush told.
He (Saddam) broke the cease fire agreement. Use of force continued
because he broke those conditions.
.
User: "Hod"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have beenright? 20 Jul 2004 07:04:24 PM
Jason Gallas wrote:

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:08:38 -0600,

wrote:

:On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 16:09:05 GMT, "Sam" <Sam@newnews.org> wrote:
:
:>Pug Fugly! intoned :
:>>
:>>
:>> I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
:>> Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
:>> attack a nation
:>
:> Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
:>hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire. Secondly, yes, it does.
:
:You dumb *****, Samloon
:
:The US went to the Gulf to counter an attack on Kuwait
:
:The ceasefire ended hostilities after Saddam was stopped

Only under certain conditions agreed to by the Iraqis. Once they
broke those conditions hostilities were free to resume.

:No further hostilites were authorized under the Former conditions, and
:the reason why the UN authorized "use of force" last year was because
:of the LIES that Bush told.

He (Saddam) broke the cease fire agreement. Use of force continued
because he broke those conditions.

What a load of bollocks!
You fucked up first time round by chickening out and not finishing the
job. You then had to find an excuse for going back in because Saddam
was taking the ***** out of Bush and Blair. Lie come easy to politicians
and the sooner you learn to acept that the sooner you will realise what
a total tit you are for believing them.
.

User: ""

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 21 Jul 2004 12:05:40 AM
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:14:15 -0700, Jason Gallas
<nospam@usenetserver.com> wrote:

:The ceasefire ended hostilities after Saddam was stopped

Only under certain conditions agreed to by the Iraqis. Once they
broke those conditions hostilities were free to resume.

:No further hostilites were authorized under the Former conditions, and
:the reason why the UN authorized "use of force" last year was because
:of the LIES that Bush told.

He (Saddam) broke the cease fire agreement. Use of force continued
because he broke those conditions.

*****
The ONLY reason why war would have continued was if Saddam fielded an
army and took on our Forces.
Bush Sr fulfilled the mission the UN Sanctioned..........to neutralize
Saddam, remove his forces from Kuwait and allow monitoring his weapons
programs
Saddam fought the inspections, despite the fact that his WMD were,
infact, neutralized and didn't amount to *****.
Since Saddam Had NO WMD, you can't even use that excuse.

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User: "Gary DeWaay"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 23 Jul 2004 04:44:53 PM
Sam's wisdom:

I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire.

So why did we mess around with those silly ol' resolutions then? You
know, like 1441, which Saddam was complying with when we invaded?

Secondly, yes, it does.

So now, in a righties world, an interest in something sinister is the same
as doing something sinister.
And you guys laugh at us when we compare you to totalitarians or fascists?
Gary
--
FDR: "Nothing to fear but fear itself"
Shrub: "Nothing will get me reelected except fear itself"
(Ok, I made that one up)
.
User: "Ken [NY"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 24 Jul 2004 04:01:34 PM
On Fri, 23 Jul 2004 16:44:53 -0500, Gary DeWaay
<dewaay2spikeNOT@sio.midco.net> claims:

I don't think there's much question that Saddam was interested in
Nuclear (?) Weapons but does that necessarily give the USA a right to
attack a nation


Firsts of all, it was not an "attack" it was the resumption of
hostilities following the violation of a cease-fire.



So why did we mess around with those silly ol' resolutions then? You
know, like 1441, which Saddam was complying with when we invaded?

Hussein never complied with 1441 any more than he did with the
other UN resolutions:
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Text of UN Security Council Resolution on Iraq: November 8, 2002
United Nations
New York, New York
November 8, 2002
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and United States
of America: draft resolution
[Adopted as Resolution 1441 at Security Council meeting 4644, 8
November 2002]
Recognizing the threat Iraq’s non-compliance with Council resolutions
and proliferation of weapons of mass destruction and long-range
missiles poses to international peace and security,
Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to
use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660
(1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to
resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security
in the area,
Further recalling that its resolution 687 (1991) imposed obligations
on Iraq as a necessary step for achievement of its stated objective of
restoring international peace and security in the area,
Deploring the fact that Iraq has not provided an accurate, full,
final, and complete disclosure, as required by resolution 687 (1991),
of all aspects of its programmes to develop weapons of mass
destruction and ballistic missiles with a range greater than one
hundred and fifty kilometres, and of all holdings of such weapons,
their components and production facilities and locations, as well as
all other nuclear programmes, including any which it claims are for
purposes not related to nuclear-weapons-usable material,
Deploring further that Iraq repeatedly obstructed immediate,
unconditional, and unrestricted access to sites designated by the
United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) and the International
Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), failed to cooperate fully and
unconditionally with UNSCOM and IAEA weapons inspectors, as required
by resolution 687 (1991), and ultimately ceased all cooperation with
UNSCOM and the IAEA in 1998,
Deploring the absence, since December 1998, in Iraq of international
monitoring, inspection, and verification, as required by relevant
resolutions, of weapons of mass destruction and ballistic missiles, in
spite of the Council’s repeated demands that Iraq provide immediate,
unconditional, and unrestricted access to the United Nations
Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission (UNMOVIC),
established in resolution 1284 (1999) as the successor organization to
UNSCOM, and the IAEA, and regretting the consequent prolonging of the
crisis in the region and the suffering of the Iraqi people,
Deploring also that the Government of Iraq has failed to comply with
its commitments pursuant to resolution 687 (1991) with regard to
terrorism, pursuant to resolution 688 (1991) to end repression of its
civilian population and to provide access by international
humanitarian organizations to all those in need of assistance in Iraq,
and pursuant to resolutions 686 (1991), 687 (1991), and 1284 (1999) to
return or cooperate in accounting for Kuwaiti and third country
nationals wrongfully detained by Iraq, or to return Kuwaiti property
wrongfully seized by Iraq,
Recalling that in its resolution 687 (1991) the Council declared that
a ceasefire would be based on acceptance by Iraq of the provisions of
that resolution, including the obligations on Iraq contained therein,
Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without
conditions or restrictions with its obligations under resolution 687
(1991) and other relevant resolutions and recalling that the
resolutions of the Council constitute the governing standard of Iraqi
compliance,
Recalling that the effective operation of UNMOVIC, as the successor
organization to the Special Commission, and the IAEA is essential for
the implementation of resolution 687 (1991) and other relevant
resolutions,
Noting the letter dated 16 September 2002 from the Minister for
Foreign Affairs of Iraq addressed to the Secretary-General is a
necessary first step toward rectifying Iraq’s continued failure to
comply with relevant Council resolutions,
Noting further the letter dated 8 October 2002 from the Executive
Chairman of UNMOVIC and the Director-General of the IAEA to General
Al-Saadi of the Government of Iraq laying out the practical
arrangements, as a follow-up to their meeting in Vienna, that are
prerequisites for the resumption of inspections in Iraq by UNMOVIC and
the IAEA, and expressing the gravest concern at the continued failure
by the Government of Iraq to provide confirmation of the arrangements
as laid out in that letter,
Reaffirming the commitment of all Member States to the sovereignty and
territorial integrity of Iraq, Kuwait, and the neighbouring States,
Commending the Secretary-General and members of the League of Arab
States and its Secretary-General for their efforts in this regard,
Determined to secure full compliance with its decisions,
Acting under Chapter VII of the Charter of the United Nations,
1. Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its
obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687
(1991), in particular through Iraq’s failure to cooperate with United
Nations inspectors and the IAEA, and to complete the actions required
under paragraphs 8 to 13 of resolution 687 (1991);
http://www.state.gov/p/nea/rls/15016.htm
Ken (NY)
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User: "Otis Tyler"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 11:01:54 AM
He wasn't
"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
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Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

WASHINGTON - Lost in the cheering over the John Edwards pick and the
cacophony following President Bush's refusal to speak at the NAACP
convention this past week were reports that Bush might have been right
after all when he said that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear
weapons.
Bush was forced to back off the assertion, made in his 2003 State of
the Union speech, after Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador to the West
African nation of Gabon, concluded that it was highly doubtful that
any such Iraqi effort to buy uranium ever took place.

In a July 6, 2003, op-ed piece in the New York Times, Wilson suggested
the reports were based, in part, on "probably forged" documents. And
he charged that the Bush administration "twisted (the intelligence) to
exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

Wilson's charges, embraced by Democrats and publicized far and wide by
a news media all too willing to believe the worst about Bush, were
given great credence because Wilson was the man chosen by the CIA to
investigate the suspected Iraqi effort.

By his concluding that the Iraqi uranium-buying attempt was pure
fiction, it gave critics of the war in Iraq one more chance to call
Bush a liar and say he took the United States into battle under false
pretenses.

Thus, Wilson became a great hero. And the laurel-leaf crown on his
head became thicker and shinier when allegations arose that someone in
the White House, in apparent retaliation against Wilson's
whistle-blowing, leaked to newspaper columnist Robert Novak the fact
that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was an undercover CIA agent.

That further inflamed the Bush critics, touching off cries for a full
criminal investigation into the leak. That probe is under way.

Time magazine put the saintly Wilson on its cover last October. Wilson
subsequently wrote a book about the whole nasty business, depicting
himself and his wife as martyrs in the cause of truth. That set off a
whole new round of media swooning. For two weeks in May, Wilson was
everywhere.

But now, two reports have surfaced that suggest Wilson might have been
wrong, and Bush might have been right in saying Iraq tried to buy
uranium in the African nation of Niger.

The first came in the widely ballyhooed Senate Intelligence Committee
report, which earlier this month concluded that much of the
intelligence Bush relied on to make his case for war against Iraq was
faulty.

It also found that Wilson's investigative trip to Niger in 2002
actually "lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the
uranium deal."

Second, the Senate report said that Wilson "was specifically
recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to
what he has said publicly."

Wilson, in several media interviews, denied that his wife had anything
to do with suggesting that he undertake the mission.

ABC News' Ted Koppel, on the Sept. 30, 2003, edition of "Nightline"
asked Wilson, "Did your wife propose to her CIA colleagues that they
call her husband, you?" Wilson replied, "No."

Further knocking down Wilson's case was this past week's release of a
British board of inquiry report into intelligence leading up to the
Iraq war. "The British government had intelligence from several
different sources" that Iraqi officials tried to buy uranium from
Niger in 1999. "The intelligence was credible," the report said.

But now that the Wilson case has been debunked, it is interesting to
note that the news media, so eager to build him up, and tear Bush
down, now seem reluctant to tell the rest of the story, or at least
the next chapter. Wilson, who had been a fixture on television, now
seems to have disappeared. Democrats are silent.

Why were the media so willing to believe Wilson when he was an obvious
Democratic partisan? He not only worked for the National Security
Council in the Clinton White House, he also is a foreign policy
adviser to the Democratic presidential campaign of John Kerry. Why,
indeed?

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2004-07-18-benedetto_x.htm



Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department®
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User: "Harry"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 06:37:13 PM
"Otis Tyler" <otyler@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<SlbLc.94198$1w1.52777@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...

He wasn't

"Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
news:iddqf09a31taekk8c1ka8pv9kfr6iqr7k8@4ax.com...


Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

Dear Dittoheads,
So sorry, but the fact is there were no nuclear weapons nor the
programs to produce them, there were no chemical weapons nor the
programs to produce them, there were no biological weapons nor the
programs to produce them, there was no involvement between the Iraqi
government and the events of 9/11, and there were no ties between the
Hussein regime and Al Qaida.
You invaded the one place on earth where there was no Al Qaida, which
was pretty good since Rush points out they're everywhere else.
There are two legal reasons for going to war. Being attacked, or
being in "imminent peril of being attacked". Georgie-Boy Bush Junior
has admitted neither of these conditions had been met, therefore the
war in Iraq is a war crime, and President Cheney, VP Kenny Boy Lay,
Cheerleader-in-Chief Georgie-Boy Bush Junior, conspirators Wolfowitz
and Pearle, and propagandists Scaife, Murdoch, Limpballs, O'Lielly,
Coulter et al. are all war criminals.
We look forward to seeing them hang in the Hague.
And nothing you can say or do would erase the towering crimes you
folks have committed against your own country and the rest of the
world.
.
User: "Jason Gallas"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 06:54:18 PM
On 20 Jul 2004 16:37:13 -0700,
(Harry) wrote:
:"Otis Tyler" <otyler@socal.rr.com> wrote in message news:<SlbLc.94198$1w1.52777@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>...
:> He wasn't
:>
:> "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text> wrote in message
:> news:iddqf09a31taekk8c1ka8pv9kfr6iqr7k8@4ax.com...
:> >
:> > Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?
:> >
:
:Dear Dittoheads,
:
:So sorry, but the fact is there were no nuclear weapons nor the
:programs to produce them, there were no chemical weapons nor the
:programs to produce them, there were no biological weapons nor the
:programs to produce them, there was no involvement between the Iraqi
:government and the events of 9/11, and there were no ties between the
:Hussein regime and Al Qaida.
:
:You invaded the one place on earth where there was no Al Qaida, which
:was pretty good since Rush points out they're everywhere else.
:
:There are two legal reasons for going to war. Being attacked, or
:being in "imminent peril of being attacked". Georgie-Boy Bush Junior
:has admitted neither of these conditions had been met, therefore the
:war in Iraq is a war crime, and President Cheney, VP Kenny Boy Lay,
:Cheerleader-in-Chief Georgie-Boy Bush Junior, conspirators Wolfowitz
:and Pearle, and propagandists Scaife, Murdoch, Limpballs, O'Lielly,
:Coulter et al. are all war criminals.
:
:We look forward to seeing them hang in the Hague.
:
:And nothing you can say or do would erase the towering crimes you
:folks have committed against your own country and the rest of the
:world.
You really need to get your information from places other than "Rush".
.



User: "Hod"

Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have beenright? 20 Jul 2004 07:09:05 PM
Ken [NY) wrote:

Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

WASHINGTON - Lost in the cheering over the John Edwards pick and the
cacophony following President Bush's refusal to speak at the NAACP
convention this past week were reports that Bush might have been right
after all when he said that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear
weapons.
Bush was forced to back off the assertion, made in his 2003 State of
the Union speech, after Joseph Wilson, a former ambassador to the West
African nation of Gabon, concluded that it was highly doubtful that
any such Iraqi effort to buy uranium ever took place.

In a July 6, 2003, op-ed piece in the New York Times, Wilson suggested
the reports were based, in part, on "probably forged" documents. And
he charged that the Bush administration "twisted (the intelligence) to
exaggerate the Iraqi threat."

Wilson's charges, embraced by Democrats and publicized far and wide by
a news media all too willing to believe the worst about Bush, were
given great credence because Wilson was the man chosen by the CIA to
investigate the suspected Iraqi effort.

By his concluding that the Iraqi uranium-buying attempt was pure
fiction, it gave critics of the war in Iraq one more chance to call
Bush a liar and say he took the United States into battle under false
pretenses.

Thus, Wilson became a great hero. And the laurel-leaf crown on his
head became thicker and shinier when allegations arose that someone in
the White House, in apparent retaliation against Wilson's
whistle-blowing, leaked to newspaper columnist Robert Novak the fact
that Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, was an undercover CIA agent.

That further inflamed the Bush critics, touching off cries for a full
criminal investigation into the leak. That probe is under way.

Time magazine put the saintly Wilson on its cover last October. Wilson
subsequently wrote a book about the whole nasty business, depicting
himself and his wife as martyrs in the cause of truth. That set off a
whole new round of media swooning. For two weeks in May, Wilson was
everywhere.

But now, two reports have surfaced that suggest Wilson might have been
wrong, and Bush might have been right in saying Iraq tried to buy
uranium in the African nation of Niger.

The first came in the widely ballyhooed Senate Intelligence Committee
report, which earlier this month concluded that much of the
intelligence Bush relied on to make his case for war against Iraq was
faulty.

It also found that Wilson's investigative trip to Niger in 2002
actually "lent more credibility to the original CIA reports on the
uranium deal."

Second, the Senate report said that Wilson "was specifically
recommended for the mission by his wife, a CIA employee, contrary to
what he has said publicly."

Wilson, in several media interviews, denied that his wife had anything
to do with suggesting that he undertake the mission.

ABC News' Ted Koppel, on the Sept. 30, 2003, edition of "Nightline"
asked Wilson, "Did your wife propose to her CIA colleagues that they
call her husband, you?" Wilson replied, "No."

Further knocking down Wilson's case was this past week's release of a
British board of inquiry report into intelligence leading up to the
Iraq war. "The British government had intelligence from several
different sources" that Iraqi officials tried to buy uranium from
Niger in 1999. "The intelligence was credible," the report said.

But now that the Wilson case has been debunked, it is interesting to
note that the news media, so eager to build him up, and tear Bush
down, now seem reluctant to tell the rest of the story, or at least
the next chapter. Wilson, who had been a fixture on television, now
seems to have disappeared. Democrats are silent.

Why were the media so willing to believe Wilson when he was an obvious
Democratic partisan? He not only worked for the National Security
Council in the Clinton White House, he also is a foreign policy
adviser to the Democratic presidential campaign of John Kerry. Why,
indeed?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/columnist/benedetto/2004-07-18-benedetto_x.htm


Ken (NY)
Chairman,
Department Of Redundancy Department®
___________________________________
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Can you nmae all the countries which have resorted to the *use* of
nuclear weapon in a time of war?
Well, there was America and, now let me see (oh *****, I can't think of
any others)
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User: ""

Title: Re: Where is KENLOON now that Bush may have been an even dumber *****? 20 Jul 2004 03:06:47 PM
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:


Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

WASHINGTON - Lost in the cheering over the John Edwards pick and the
cacophony following President Bush's refusal to speak at the NAACP
convention this past week were reports that Bush might have been right
after all when he said that Iraq had sought uranium for nuclear
weapons.

There were a dozen reasons that bush lied about going to war, you dumb
*****
ONE item, not even proven to be false, can't negate the totality of
his failure to stop this war when Hans Blix was telling him that
another half dozen couldn't be substantiated.
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Title: Re: Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right? 20 Jul 2004 05:18:26 PM
On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 15:11:56 GMT, "Ken [NY)" <email@isBelow.Text>
wrote:


Where are Democrats and the media - now that Bush may have been right?

Of COURSE Bush is right! He's about as far right as you can get! The
Dems are also further right but it only makes them look more moderate.
Bush didn't say 'We suspect that Saddam may be interested in
restarting his nuclear program some indistinct time in the future.'
He said Saddam HAD nuclear weapons. When he could no longer maintain
that lie he said Saddam had a nuclear program, and then 'program
related activities'. He said he -KNEW- Saddam had WMD, how much, what
type, where it was, etc. He said Saddam had unmanned drone aircraft
that could strike the US in 45 minutes. He as much as accused the UN
inspectors of working for Saddam.
And when Wilson denied it, rather than release information to prove
him wrong, someone in the admin. outed his wife, just for spite. Not
the act of a confident admin. that believes it's right and wants the
public to know the truth.
Well then Bush decided it wasn't about nukes and WMD anyway. Paul
Wolfowitz said WMD was not the real reason, it was just something we
could all agree on. Now it was about 'liberating' the people of Iraq.
Saddam Hussein was now called 'his own WMD'.
So now if some newly-discovered evidence shows that Saddam had some
shred of interest in a nuclear program sometime in the future, nobody
cares. It's anti-climactic. It doesn't make a difference. It's sort
of like flunking a test and then, with the corrected test paper in
your hand, asking to take the test over.
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