Politics > Politics-USA > Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun?
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26 Jan 2007 12:35:40 PM |
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Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles? Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring enough
insurgents into Iraq yet?
"Security Helicopter Shot Down in Iraq
'Pakistan Times' Monitoring Desk
BAGHDAD (Iraq): At least five civilians died in the Baghdad crash of a
helicopter owned by the private security company Blackwater USA,
according to a U.S. military official.
The helicopter was shot down Tuesday, a senior Iraqi defense official
said. The crash came three days after a U.S. Black Hawk helicopter
crashed northeast of Baghdad, killing all 12 soldiers aboard. . ."
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2007/01/24/top10.htm
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"Bring 'em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security
situation. "
--George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
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26 Jan 2007 07:20:56 PM |
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"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
Nah - they just got them from those ammo dumps Rumsfeld's very own shucks
and awe-gee plan bypassed and left unguarded for six weeks.
The chopper blades don't do well in 50cal and 20 mm fire, either.
And no chopper known can stand up to a coordianted string of rpgs.
They pretty much have shot down whatever they set their mind to, it seems.
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles?
They are using that ten lane highway the US is building at the Syrian
border?
Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring enough
insurgents into Iraq yet?
"Security Helicopter Shot Down in Iraq
'Pakistan Times' Monitoring Desk
BAGHDAD (Iraq): At least five civilians died in the Baghdad crash of a
helicopter owned by the private security company Blackwater USA,
according to a U.S. military official.
The helicopter was shot down Tuesday, a senior Iraqi defense official
said. The crash came three days after a U.S. Black Hawk helicopter
crashed northeast of Baghdad, killing all 12 soldiers aboard. . ."
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2007/01/24/top10.htm
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"Bring 'em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security
situation. "
--George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
26 Jan 2007 08:02:51 PM |
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In article <1169836540.683745.164520@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles? Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring enough
insurgents into Iraq yet?
Probably. And we always have been.
"So I say to you, over 15,000 of our people have been killed and tens of
thousands injured, while more than 1,000 of you have been killed and
more than ten thousand injured."
---Osama bin Laden (October 28, 2004)
"Secret even in success" was right on the money, n'est pas?
http://www.pakistantimes.net/2007/01/24/top10.htm
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"Bring 'em on. We got the force necessary to deal with the security
situation. "
--George W. Bush, July 2, 2003.
Absofuckinglutely.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Nobody inherits their civilisation.
You always inherit the /ruins/ of your civilisation.
Beginning with yourself."
--Dennis M. Hammes
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| User: "Doug Bashford" |
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
26 Jan 2007 11:17:35 PM |
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Neolibertarian said about:
Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are
Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun?
In article <1169836540.683745.164520@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
They are so few, prolly not.
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles? Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring enough
insurgents into Iraq yet?
Probably. And we always have been.
Wanna Hell scenario? Attack Iran.
That will open the floodgates to REAL
weapons into Iraq.
Shoulder-mounted Stinger types, truck mounted,
and 6-man mobile wheel barrow missiles
that can sit in a living room till needed
out in the backyard. And REAL tank killers
of similar weight.
Did I mention light artillery with an
accurate two to four mile range?
That's prolly the only thing restraining Bush
against Iran. He's pinned down, helpless
in Iraq to deal with Iran. Sad part is,
He's pinned down only cuz he can't face the
fact he's already lost (or just wants to delay,
to pass his defeat to his successor).
I HATE cowards.
--Doug
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| User: "Neolibertarian" |
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
27 Jan 2007 08:40:33 AM |
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In article <tMKdndZ8ZLfyfSfYnZ2dnUVZ_t3inZ2d@pghconnect.com>,
(Doug Bashford) wrote:
Neolibertarian said about:
Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are
Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun?
In article <1169836540.683745.164520@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"mg" <mgkelson@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
They are so few, prolly not.
You've counted?
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles? Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring enough
insurgents into Iraq yet?
Probably. And we always have been.
Wanna Hell scenario? Attack Iran.
Very good. But, of course, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're just repeating something you thought you heard.
That's okay. In this instance you're correct enough.
The necessity of attacking Iran goes far beyond the proxy war they are
waging against the US in Iraq.
Of the many things you don't know about the dynamics of America's
strategy in the Middle East, this is likely foremost:
On July 26th 2001, a man named Reza Zakeri walked into the CIA station
in Azerbaijan. He claimed to be a senior security officer with Iran's
MOIS, Section 110. He suspected that he had fallen out of favor with
MOIS Ministry administrators and wished to defect. In the next few days
of his debriefing at a CIA safe house in the area, he claimed to have
knowledge of an impending attack by Iranian terrorists who had been
trained as pilots and were heading to the United States to hijack and
fly commercial airliners into American targets.
Which targets?
Zakeri related that in a basement office at MOIS headquarters, were
blown up photos of the World Trade Center, the White House, and scale
models of the the Capitol, the Pentagon, and Camp David. He believed
that these were the targets for the pilots.
When were these attacks supposed to take place?
20 Shahrivar he said. The CIA Farsi interpreter mistakenly translated
this date as September 10. After the attacks, the translation was
revisited, and it turns out that 20 Shahrivar is actually September 11.
As head of security for MOIS operations, it was Zakeri's job to set up
security arrangements for meetings and travel of IRG officers and top
government officials. He claimed that he had handled security for a
meeting between Sa'ad Bin Laden and Hashemi Rafsanjani (Head of IRI
Exigency Council), and another between Bin Laden's son and the Supreme
Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Several of these meetings took place during the year preceding the 9/11
attacks. On occasion, according to Zakeri, these meetings included Ayman
al-Zawahiri, "deputy commander" of so-called "al-Qaeda" and founder of
Egyptian al-Jihad.
For whatever reasons, CIA admits that their debriefings with Zakeri took
place in Azerbaijan, but they dismiss(ed) him as an unreliable
informant. He failed his polygraph test, for instance.
The implications of this meeting are so far reaching that you've never
even heard about them. Which is the way it usually goes.
We don't live in a democracy, thank God.
At any rate, there's more. Far more. Perhaps much more than an Usenet
illiterate would be willing to plow through.
Since Operation: Enduring Freedom, Iran has often revealed her hand:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330976/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06085/676210.stm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0728/p01s02-wome.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p01s04-woiq.html
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030610-125659-6237r.htm
http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/01/iran_and_alqaeda_in.php
http://english.aljazeera.net/News/archive/archive?ArchiveId=16191
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-qaida.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603474/posts
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110005237
http://newsblaze.com/story/20060511224435nnnn.nb/topstory.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87778,00.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/25/us.iraq.alqaeda/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5479438/site/newsweek/
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/58/18570
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/us-turns-attention-to-alqaeda-in-iran/20
06/03/21/1142703358742.html
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=7191
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-10-alqaeda-iraq_x.htm
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=5571
http://www.homelandsecurityus.net/al%20qaedas%20link%20to%20other%20count
ries/al_qaeda%20Iran%20Tie.htm
http://rapidrecon.threatswatch.org/2007/01/evidence-iran-supporting-alqae
/
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/zarqawi.htm
http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,21060403-38201,00.html
http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,1572812,00.html
http://www.jinsa.org/articles/articles.html/function/view/categoryid/1701
/documentid/1700/history/3,2360,655,1701,1700
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EJ17Ak02.html
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/en/doc/2003-08/05/content_252257.htm
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/templateC05.php?CID=1698
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/24/iran.qaeda/index.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87500,00.html
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040722-115444-6101r.htm
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040720-120945-3551r.htm
http://www.debka.com/article.php?aid=527
http://www.richardminiter.com/pdf/articles/20041027-art-washtimes.pdf
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200208/29/eng20020829_102261.shtml
http://www.windsofchange.net/archives/007418.php
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=N2ViMTQ1NTllMjAxZDVmNjg3ZjIyMWRlMWU5
OWE3N2M=
http://www.benadorassociates.com/article/20388
http://www.cbn.com/cbnnews/commentary/newsblogs/stakelbeckonterror/060818
..aspx
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Iran+Amok%3B+Tehran+plays+host+to+al+Qaeda-
a0143832717
http://www.inblogs.net/glenngreenwald/2006/09/is-iran-most-active-state-s
ponsor-of.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/08/17/attack/main568723.shtml
http://www.kentimmerman.com/2004_02_04iran-defector.htm
Which just goes to demonstrate that America is willing to allow Iran to
play the proxy game.
Which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place.
==begin quote==
Although it is largely a favorable biography of Zarqawi and his
movement, Hussein incorporates the insights of other Al Qaeda
membersnotably, Saif al-Adl, the security chief.
It is chilling to read this work and realize how closely recent events
seem to be hewing to Al Qaedas forecasts. Based on interviews with
Zarqawi and Adl, Hussein claims that dragging Iran into conflict with
the United States is key to Al Qaedas strategy. Expanding the area of
conflict in the Middle East will cause the U.S. to overextend its
forces. According to Hussein, Al Qaeda believes that Iran expects to be
attacked by the U.S., because of its interest in building a nuclear
weapon. Accordingly, Iran is preparing to retaliate for or abort this
strike by means of using powerful cards in its hand, he writes. These
tactics include targeting oil installations in the Persian Gulf, which
could cut off sixty per cent of the worlds oil supplies, destabilizing
Western economies.
In an ominous passage, Hussein notes that for fifteen yearsor since the
end of the first Gulf WarIran has been busy building a secret global
army of highly trained personnel and the necessary financial and
technological capabilities to carry out any kind of mission. He is
clearly referring to Hezbollah, which has so far focussed its attention
on Israel. According to Hussein, Iran has identified American and Jewish
targets around the world. This secret army is led by two professional
Lebanese men who have pledged full allegiance to Iran and who hold
enough of a grudge against the Americans to qualify them to inflict
damage on Jewish and American interests around the world.
Iran, he continues, has been cultivating good relations with other
Palestinian resistance groups, including Hamas. Iran views these parties
as its entrenched wings in occupied Palestine, Hussein writes, asserting
that the peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians at the Egyptian
resort town of Sharm al-Sheikh in February, 2005, were secretly aimed at
countering Iranian influence on the Palestinian resistance. Al Qaeda
interpreted this as the first step toward launching an attack on Iran,
Hussein claims. Both the U.S. and Israel view Hezbollah, the Islamist
group in Lebanon, as a creature of the Iranian state, and are intent on
eliminating it. The military campaign against Iran will begin when the
United States and Israel succeed in disarming Hezbollah, Hussein
predicts.
Hussein claims, without offering evidence, that Iran already has thirty
thousand intelligence agents in Iraq. Since the Americans have not
succeeded in eliminating the Sunni resistance, how can they deal with
the situation if the Shiites join the resistance? Iran plans to incite
its proponents in Iraq to join the anti-U.S. resistance in the event
that the United States or Israel launches an attack on Iran. Iran plans
to open its border to the resistance and provide it with what it needs
to achieve a swift and major victory against the Americans. Al Qaeda, he
writes, also expects the Americans to go after Irans principal ally in
the region, Syria. The removal of the Assad regimea longtime goal of
jihadiswill allow the country to be infiltrated by Al Qaeda, putting the
terrorists within reach, at last, of Israel.
Hussein observes that Al Qaedas ideologues have studied the failure of
Islamist movements in the past and concluded that they lacked concrete,
realistic goals. Therefore, he writes, Al Qaeda drew up a feasible plan
within a well-defined time frame. The plan was based on improving the
Islamic jihadist action in quality and quantity and expanding it to
include the entire world.
Al Qaedas twenty-year plan began on September 11th, with a stage that
Hussein calls The Awakening. The ideologues within Al Qaeda believed
that the Islamic nation was in a state of hibernation, because of
repeated catastrophes inflicted upon Muslims by the West. By striking
Americathe head of the serpentAl Qaeda caused the United States to lose
consciousness and act chaotically against those who attacked it. This
entitled the party that hit the serpent to lead the Islamic nation. This
first stage, says Hussein, ended in 2003, when American troops entered
Baghdad.
The second, Eye-Opening stage will last until the end of 2006, Hussein
writes. Iraq will become the recruiting ground for young men eager to
attack America. In this phase, he argues, perhaps wishfully, Al Qaeda
will move from being an organization to a mushrooming invincible and
popular trend. The electronic jihad on the Internet will propagate Al
Qaedas ideas, and Muslims will be pressed to donate funds to make up for
the seizure of terrorist assets by the West. The third stage, Arising
and Standing Up, will last from 2007 to 2010. Al Qaedas focus will be on
Syria and Turkey, but it will also begin to directly confront Israel, in
order to gain more credibility among the Muslim population.
In the fourth stage, lasting until 2013, Al Qaeda will bring about the
demise of Arab governments. The creeping loss of the regimes power will
lead to a steady growth in strength within Al Qaeda, Hussein predicts.
Meanwhile, attacks against the Middle East petroleum industry will
continue, and Americas power will deteriorate through the constant
expansion of the circle of confrontation. By then, Al Qaeda will have
completed its electronic capabilities, and it will be time to use them
to launch electronic attacks to undermine the U.S. economy. Islamists
will promote the idea of using gold as the international medium of
exchange, leading to the collapse of the dollar.
Then an Islamic caliphate can be declared, inaugurating the fifth stage
of Al Qaedas grand plan, which will last until 2016. At this stage, the
Western fist in the Arab region will loosen, and Israel will not be able
to carry out preëmptive or precautionary strikes, Hussein writes. The
international balance will change. Al Qaeda and the Islamist movement
will attract powerful new economic allies, such as China, and Europe
will fall into disunity.
The sixth phase will be a period of total confrontation. The now
established caliphate will form an Islamic Army and will instigate a
worldwide fight between the believers and the non-believers. Hussein
proclaims, The world will realize the meaning of real terrorism. By
2020, definitive victory will have been achieved. Victory, according to
the Al Qaeda ideologues, means that falsehood will come to an end. . . .
The Islamic state will lead the human race once again to the shore of
safety and the oasis of happiness.
THE MASTER PLAN
For the new theorists of jihad, Al Qaeda is just the beginning.
by LAWRENCE WRIGHT
==end quote==
http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060911fa_fact3
I HATE cowards.
Cowards are just fine by me. I'm one, for instance.
Intellectual cowardice is rather loathsome, though.
Worse still is the lazy intellectual, who lets others tell him what to
think.
--
NeoLibertarian
"Nobody inherits their civilisation.
You always inherit the /ruins/ of your civilisation.
Beginning with yourself."
--Dennis M. Hammes
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| User: "mg" |
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
29 Jan 2007 03:03:57 PM |
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On Jan 27, 7:40 am, Neolibertarian <cognac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
In article <tMKdndZ8ZLfyfSfYnZ2dnUVZ_t3in...@pghconnect.com>,
play...@always.edu (Doug Bashford) wrote:
Neolibertarian said about:
Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are
Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun?
In article <1169836540.683745.164...@v45g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
"mg" <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level =
US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such atta=
ck
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have man=
aged
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
They are so few, prolly not.You've counted?
Or, are more insurgents coming across the border carrying their own
missiles? Is this a case of the more the merrier? Are we luring eno=
ugh
insurgents into Iraq yet?
Probably. And we always have been.
Wanna Hell scenario? Attack Iran.
Very good. But, of course, you have no idea what you're talking about.
You're just repeating something you thought you heard.
That's okay. In this instance you're correct enough.
-> The necessity of attacking Iran goes far beyond
-> the proxy war they are waging against the US in Iraq.
-> Of the many things you don't know about the
-> dynamics of America's strategy in the Middle East,
-> this is likely foremost:
If you are looking at this as trying to find some sort of secret, and=20
perhaps noble or patriotic or altruistic or sophisticated, Bush=20
strategy in the Middle East, you're not going to find it no matter how=20
much research you do. If you go down that road, you'll find that=20
nothing makes sense without doing a lot of mental and logical back=20
bends.
However, if you look at it from the point of view, of greed and=20
personal and political gain, everything makes sense. Bush invaded Iraq=20
for the oil contracts and to win the 2002 mid-term elections. He=20
thought the war would be easy because the Neocons told him it would be=20
easy and that's what he wanted to hear.
At the time Bush thought he had a win-win situation. If the war went=20
well and he got the contracts, the oil companies would be able to=20
restrict production and keep oil prices high. If the war didn't go=20
quite so well, he would still be able to damage Iraq's infrastructure,=20
destroy their government and delay oil production for a long time to=20
come and raise oil prices by making the market jittery.
Where Bush went wrong is that he never thought there would be this=20
much resistance because the Neocons only fed him the rosy scenario.=20
Even so, he's still dealing with a win-win scenario and if he attacks=20
Iran, oil prices and profits could really soar.
On July 26th 2001, a man named Reza Zakeri walked into the CIA station
in Azerbaijan. He claimed to be a senior security officer with Iran's
MOIS, Section 110. He suspected that he had fallen out of favor with
MOIS Ministry administrators and wished to defect. In the next few days
of his debriefing at a CIA safe house in the area, he claimed to have
knowledge of an impending attack by Iranian terrorists who had been
trained as pilots and were heading to the United States to hijack and
fly commercial airliners into American targets.
Which targets?
Zakeri related that in a basement office at MOIS headquarters, were
blown up photos of the World Trade Center, the White House, and scale
models of the the Capitol, the Pentagon, and Camp David. He believed
that these were the targets for the pilots.
When were these attacks supposed to take place?
20 Shahrivar he said. The CIA Farsi interpreter mistakenly translated
this date as September 10. After the attacks, the translation was
revisited, and it turns out that 20 Shahrivar is actually September 11.
As head of security for MOIS operations, it was Zakeri's job to set up
security arrangements for meetings and travel of IRG officers and top
government officials. He claimed that he had handled security for a
meeting between Sa'ad Bin Laden and Hashemi Rafsanjani (Head of IRI
Exigency Council), and another between Bin Laden's son and the Supreme
Leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.
Several of these meetings took place during the year preceding the 9/11
attacks. On occasion, according to Zakeri, these meetings included Ayman
al-Zawahiri, "deputy commander" of so-called "al-Qaeda" and founder of
Egyptian al-Jihad.
For whatever reasons, CIA admits that their debriefings with Zakeri took
place in Azerbaijan, but they dismiss(ed) him as an unreliable
informant. He failed his polygraph test, for instance.
The implications of this meeting are so far reaching that you've never
even heard about them. Which is the way it usually goes.
We don't live in a democracy, thank God.
At any rate, there's more. Far more. Perhaps much more than an Usenet
illiterate would be willing to plow through.
Since Operation: Enduring Freedom, Iran has often revealed her hand:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8330976/
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06085/676210.stm
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0728/p01s02-wome.html
http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/1006/p01s04-woiq.html
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20030610-125659-6237r.htm
http://billroggio.com/archives/2007/01/iran_and_alqaeda_in.php
http://english.aljazeera.net/News/archive/archive?ArchiveId=3D16191
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/para/al-qaida.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1603474/posts
http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=3D110005237
http://newsblaze.com/story/20060511224435nnnn.nb/topstory.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,87778,00.html
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/US/09/25/us.iraq.alqaeda/
http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/22/alqaeda.iran/index.html
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5479438/site/newsweek/
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/58/18570
http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/us-turns-attention-to-alqaeda-in-ira...
06/03/21/1142703358742.html
http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3D7191
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,228636,00.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-11-10-alqaeda-iraq_x.htm
http://www.nysun.com/article/39631
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Printable.asp?ID=3D5571
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Which just goes to demonstrate that America is willing to allow Iran to
play the proxy game.
Which is why the US invaded Iraq in the first place.
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Although it is largely a favorable biography of Zarqawi and his
movement, Hussein incorporates the insights of other Al Qaeda
membersnotably, Saif al-Adl, the security chief.
It is chilling to read this work and realize how closely recent events
seem to be hewing to Al Qaedas forecasts. Based on interviews with
Zarqawi and Adl, Hussein claims that dragging Iran into conflict with
the United States is key to Al Qaedas strategy. Expanding the area of
conflict in the Middle East will cause the U.S. to overextend its
forces. According to Hussein, Al Qaeda believes that Iran expects to be
attacked by the U.S., because of its interest in building a nuclear
weapon. Accordingly, Iran is preparing to retaliate for or abort this
strike by means of using powerful cards in its hand, he writes. These
tactics include targeting oil installations in the Persian Gulf, which
could cut off sixty per cent of the worlds oil supplies, destabilizing
Western economies.
In an ominous passage, Hussein notes that for fifteen yearsor since the
end of the first Gulf WarIran has been busy building a secret global
army of highly trained personnel and the necessary financial and
technological capabilities to carry out any kind of mission. He is
clearly referring to Hezbollah, which has so far focussed its attention
on Israel. According to Hussein, Iran has identified American and Jewish
targets around the world. This secret army is led by two professional
Lebanese men who have pledged full allegiance to Iran and who hold
enough of a grudge against the Americans to qualify them to inflict
damage on Jewish and American interests around the world.
Iran, he continues, has been cultivating good relations with other
Palestinian resistance groups, including Hamas. Iran views these parties
as its entrenched wings in occupied Palestine, Hussein writes, asserting
that the peace talks between Israelis and Palestinians at the Egyptian
resort town of Sharm al-Sheikh in February, 2005, were secretly aimed at
countering Iranian influence on the Palestinian resistance. Al Qaeda
interpreted this as the first step toward launching an attack on Iran,
Hussein claims. Both the U.S. and Israel view Hezbollah, the Islamist
group in Lebanon, as a creature of the Iranian state, and are intent on
eliminating it. The military campaign against Iran will begin when the
United States and Israel succeed in disarming Hezbollah, Hussein
predicts.
Hussein claims, without offering evidence, that Iran already has thirty
thousand intelligence agents in Iraq. Since the Americans have not
succeeded in eliminating the Sunni resistance, how can they deal with
the situation if the Shiites join the resistance? Iran plans to incite
its proponents in Iraq to join the anti-U.S. resistance in the event
that the United States or Israel launches an attack on Iran. Iran plans
to open its border to the resistance and provide it with what it needs
to achieve a swift and major victory against the Americans. Al Qaeda, he
writes, also expects the Americans to go after Irans principal ally in
the region, Syria. The removal of ...
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
29 Jan 2007 03:18:57 PM |
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On Jan 26, 1:35 pm, "mg" <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
I remember hearing an NPR report last year using the term "crude air
bomb"
to describe these events. You know. A chopper flies over a motion
detector
or something and flak rounds go off or whatever.
Also. I wonder if someone ever grew too much of a brain and decided
to
fit a pod containing a little guidance system and its own fins onto an
RPG
round's fuselage or something.
That would be a pretty frightening thing.
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| Title: Re: Where'd Those Ground-to-Air Missiles Come From? Are Iraqi's Neighbors Joining in the Fun? |
29 Jan 2007 04:18:07 PM |
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<walter_evening@post.com> wrote in message
news:1170105537.027429.132700@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 26, 1:35 pm, "mg" <mgkel...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sunni Arab guerrillas used some sort of surface to air rocket or
missile to shoot down a Blackwell helicopter guarding a high-level US
ground convoy. This downing of a helicopter is the second such attack
in the past few days. Does it indicate that the guerrillas have managed
to buy supplies of more sophisticated shoulder-held missiles?
I remember hearing an NPR report last year using the term "crude air
bomb"
to describe these events. You know. A chopper flies over a motion
detector
or something and flak rounds go off or whatever.
Also. I wonder if someone ever grew too much of a brain and decided
to
fit a pod containing a little guidance system and its own fins onto an
RPG
round's fuselage or something.
That would be a pretty frightening thing.
I wouldn't think that SAMs would be hard to come by, especially in a
country that has no government, let alone a BATF. The Somalis had
them for the Blackhawk Down incident and they're as poor as dirt!
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