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"Pulver" |
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09 Sep 2003 01:26:00 PM |
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Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
[You will notice that the assassins target, primarily,
women of childbearing age, schoolchildren, particularly
teenagers, and infants. Why? To reduce the Jewish
birthrate and reduce the population of Jews.]
Chronology of Palestinian Homicide Bombings:
59) June 11, 2003 - Sixteen Israelis were killed and
more than 100 were wounded when a fascist Palestinian
homicide bomber, dressed as an ultra-Orthodox Jew,
detonated his explosives belt on a bus in downtown
Jerusalem. Palestinian terrorists have attempted 11
homicide bombings and murdered 23 Israelis in the last
4 days, since Palestinians "accepted" the "roadmap for
peace" and the end of violence
58) May 19, 2003 - In the fifth suicide bombing in two
days, a Palestinian homicide bomber blew up at the main
entrance to the Shaarei Amakim mall in Afula killing
three Israelis and wounding 50 -
57) May 18, 2003 - The scum from Hamas, the Palestinian
Islamic Jihad or Arafat's Al-Aksa brigades once again
murdered unarmed innocent women and children when a
homicide bomber blew up on a bus in Jerusalem killing
seven people and wounding 20 -
56) April 29, 2003 - A Muslim British citizen blows
himself at "Mike's Place", a restaurant in Tel Aviv,
murdering 4 Israelis and injuring 50.
55) April 23, 2003 - To prove that Palestinians are
serious about not implementing any peace agreement, a
Palestinian murderer killed one and wounded nine in a
homicide bombing at the entrance to the Kfar Sava train
station, northeast of Tel Aviv.
54) March 30, 2003 - In the first suicide bombing since
the start of the Iraq war, a Palestinian terrorist
detonated himself outside a crowded cafe in the
Mediterranean coastal city of Netanya, wounding nearly
40 people, two of them critically.
53) March 5, 2003 - 16 people, including many school
children, were massacred by a Palestinian homicide
bomber who blew himself up in a crowded bus in the
northern Israeli city of Haifa. Abigail Litle, a
14-year-old girl, and a citizen of the United States of
America, was killed in the blast.
52) January 5, 2003 - 23 people were killed, and more
than 80 were wounded when two Palestinian murderers
from the Islamic Jihad blew themselves up. Two powerful
blasts, about 2 minutes apart, ripped through a crowded
neighborhood near the old Tel Aviv bus station. Steven
Cromwell, a 43-year-old father of 2, and a citizen of
Ghana,
51) November 21, 2002 - Massacre in Jerusalem: a
Palestinian homicide/suicide bomber detonated an
explosives belt packed with nuts and bolts to maximize
the impact inside a Jerusalem bus filled with
schoolchildren. Eleven Israelis were murdered and over
50 wounded in the terrorist attack, including 5 women
and 4 children. The Palestinian group Hamas (Islamic
Resistance) proudly claimed responsibility for the
murders. Among the victims was Ilan Perlman, an
8-year-old boy.
50) November 4, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blew himself up in a crowded shopping center in Israeli
town of Kfar Saba. Two Israelis were murdered and 32
wounded in the terrorist attack, including two infants.
The Palestinian Islamic Jihad proudly claimed
responsibility for the murders. Among the victims was
a 15-year-old kid, Gaston Perpiñal,
originally born in Argentina.
49) October 27, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber blew himself up outside a gas station outside
the Israeli town of Ariel, killing himelf, two Israelis
and wounding over 30. Ten to 15 of the wounded were in
serious condition, media reports said. A woman shouted
at a group of soldiers that she suspected a suicide
bomber was among them, and a soldier opened fire, "then
the bomber blew up,". The Palestinian terrorist group
Hamas proudly claimed responsibility for the murders.
48) October 21, 2002 - Fourteen people were killed and
50 wounded when a car bomb containing about 100
kilograms (200 lbs) of explosives was detonated next to
an Israeli bus traveling along Wadi Ara on Route No. 65
towards Hadera. The bus had pulled over at a bus stop
at the Karkur junction when the homicide/suicide
bomber, driving a jeep, approached from behind and
exploded. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed that
the murders were carried out by two of its members from
Jenin. Among the victims was a 19-year-old young
Israeli woman, Sharon Tubol.
47) October 10, 2002 - A Palestinian terrorist slips
while boarding an Israeli bus and falls. The bus driver
and a fellow passenger then pinned the bomber to the
ground after seeing some wires sticking out of his
clothing, and screamed: "It's a terrorist! Everybody
get out of here!". Unfortunately, the incompetent
Palestinian morron managed to blow himself up murdering
Sa'ada Aharon, a 71-year-old grandmother of15, and
injuring over two dozen.
46) September 19, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blew himself up in a crowded bus in Tel-Aviv,
deliberately murdering 5 and wounding over 60 Israeli
men, women and children. The blast occurred at about 1
p.m. local time on bus No. 4 at the corner of Allenby
and Montefiore Streets, near The Great Synagogue of Tel
Aviv. The force of the blast blew the roof off the bus,
blew out most of its windows and blackened the
interior. A witness, Shmuel Salomon, said he saw bodies
being hurled from the bus. "There were arms and legs on
the ground. It was a horror," said Shmuel Salomon, who
owns a restaurant in the area. Among the victims was
Solomon Hoenig, a 79-year-old grandfather of 5.
45) September 18, 2002 - A Palestinian suicide bomber
blew himself up at a busy intersection outside the
Israeli-Arab city of Umm el Fahm, killing a police
officer and wounding three people. The bomber detonated
his explosives while standing on the highway, after
police approached him because he was suspiciously
weaving between trucks on foot.
44) August 4, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber blew
himself up on a bus at the height of morning rush hour
traffic near the Israeli town of Tsfat. Nine passengers
were killed and over 50 innocent human beings were
seriously injured. The explosion blew off the roof of
the bus and the vehicle then burst into flames. "I
picked up four dead myself," Haim Ben-Shimon, a
civilian who was nearby at the time of the blast, told
a Radio news station. "The bus is simply crushed. It
looks as if the explosion happened in the center of the
bus. The Palestinian terrorist group "Islamic Jihad"
managed to kill Adelina Kononen, a 37-year-old mother
of 2, originally from the Philippines.
43) July 31, 2002 - Seven Israeli students were
slaughtered when a very powerful bomb exploded inside a
school bag on a table inside a Hebrew University
cafeteria in Jerusalem. Over 80 people were injured by
the blast, including 14 that are currently in critical
condition. The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas
(Islamic Resistance) claimed responsibility for the
murders.
42) July 17, 2002 - At least three people were killed
and more than 30 wounded in a double genocide bombing
in the heart of Tel Aviv. The attack came a day after a
murderous attack on a bus near the town of Emmanuel
that killed eight. Police said two Palestinian
terrorists blew themselves up between a cafe and a
cinema in an area near the former central bus station
that has become a center of night life mainly for
foreign workers.
41) June 19, 2002 - Seven Israeli unarmed civilians
were killed and 37 injured when a Palestinian genocide
bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and
hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of
Jerusalem. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, which directly
reports to Yasser Arafat, claimed responsibility for
the attack.
40) June 18, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber detonated an explosive device packed with nails
and metal shards on a crowded city bus in Jerusalem
during morning rush hour, killing 19 passengers and
wounding dozens more. Many high-school students were
killed in the blast.
39) June 12, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber killed Hadar Hershkowitz, a 15-year-old Israeli
girl, and wounded 10 others when he blew himself up in
the middle of a group of people in a restaurant in
Herzliya, just north of Tel-Aviv.
38) June 5, 2002 - A Palestinian terrorist drove a car
packed with a large quantity of explosives into an
Israeli bus (Egged No. 830) traveling from Tel-Aviv to
Tiberias at the Megiddo junction near Afula. 17 people
were killed and over 50 were injured. The Palestinian
Islamic Jihad (Islamic holy war) claimed responsibility
for the murder.
37) May 27, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber blows himself in front of a coffee shop in Petah
Tikvah, east of Tel-Aviv, killing two and injuring over
30. A 3 year old girl is reported dead, while an 18
month infant is reported critically injured. The
Palestinian terrorist group "Al Aksa Martyr's brigade",
which directly reports to Arafat, has taken
responsibility for the homicide.
36) May 22, 2002 - A suicide bomber blows himself up on
the pedestrian mall in Rishon Letzion, 15 km (10mi)
southeast of Tel Aviv shortly after 9 p.m. Two people
are killed in the blast and over 30 others are wounded.
35) May 19, 2002 - An homicide/suicide bomber rocks
Netanya main market killing three and wounding dozens.
Among the victims was Yosef Haviv, a 70-year-old Israeli.
34) May 8, 2002 - A suicide bomber strikes at a snooker
club in Rishon Letzion south of Tel Aviv, killing 16
Israelis and wounding 60. "Mother of 3 is victim"
33) April 12, 2002 - Female suicide bomber blows
herself up at the Mahane Yehuda market, Jerusalem's
main outdoor market, killing six people and wounding
over 100. "Grandmother of 9, victim of Palestinian Terrorism"
32) April 10, 2002 - A Palestinian suicide bomber kills
eight and wounds 12 when he blows himself up on a bus
crowded with commuters near the northern city of Haifa.
Noa Shlomo, 18, was killed in the blast.
31) March 31, 2002 - Suicide bomber blows himself up in
the Matza restaurant run by Israeli Arabs in the
northern port city of Haifa, 15 people are killed and
44 are injured. A second suicide attack wounds six
people at the West Bank settlement of Efrat. Orly Ofir,
16, was one of the Haifa victims murdered by the
Palestinian homicide bomber,
30) March 30, 2002 - Suicide bomber blows himself up in
a busy Tel Aviv restaurant on Allenby Street, at least
20 people are hurt.
29) March 29, 2002 - Woman suicide bomber blows herself
up at a supermarket in the Kiryat Yovel suburb of
Jerusalem, killing two people and injuring at least 20.
Rachel Levy, 17, was one of the victims murdered by the
Palestinian genocide bomber,
28) March 27, 2002 - On Passover (a Jewish Holiday), a
Palestinian genocide bomber walked into the dining room
a hotel, located in the center of Netanya, where 250
guests had just sat down to begin dinner. He detonated
an explosive device, killing 22 and injuring 140,
including many children and elderly. The Palestinian
assassin was identified as a member of Fatah Al-Aksa
Martyrs brigades, a terrorist group that directly
reports to Yasser Arafat. He was on the list of wanted
terrorists Israel had requested be arrested. Dvora
Karim, 73, was a grandmother of 3 and great-grandmother
of 1 that was killed in the attack.
27) March 21, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonated a bomb, packed with metal spikes and nails,
in the center of a crowd of shoppers on King George
Street in Jerusalem. Three unarmed civilians were
killed and 86 were injured. Among the victims was Tzipi
Shemesh, 29, a pregnant mother of 2.
26) March 20, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up on a bus near the Israeli Arab town of
Umm al-Fahm, killing seven people and wounding 27. The
attack occurred around 7 AM., shortly after the
No. 823 Egged bus had stopped to take on passengers at
the Umm el-Fahm junction. A few moments later, the
terrorist detonated the explosives strapped to his
body, blowing himself up and killing or wounding all
of those with him on the bus, which was completely
gutted. Among the victims was Mogus Mahento, 75,
grandfather of 13, who had immigrated from Ethiopia in
1991.
25) March 9, 2002 - A Palestinian assassin kills 11
people and injures 54 by blowing himself up in a
crowded Cafe in Jerusalem. The bomber walked into the
Cafe Moment and detonated a powerful explosive
charge that completely gutted the restaurant. The cafe
was teeming with dozens of people at the time of the
attack. Orit Ozerov, 28, was one of 11 people killed
and 54 injured in the explosion.
24) March 5, 2002 - A Palestinian assassin blew himself
up on a bus in the Israeli city of Afula, killing one
and wounding at least five. The bus was en route from
Nazareth to Tel-Aviv. The bus driver related that the
Palestinian murderer, who was clean-shaven and wearing
a padded jacket, did not arouse any suspicion until he
declined to accept change from a NIS 50 bill. Maharatu
Tagana, an 85-year-old father of 12, was killed in the blast.
23) March 2, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonated a bomb next to a group of women waiting with
their baby carriages for their husbands to leave a
nearby synagogue. Ten people, including five children,
were killed. Among the victims was 3-year-old Liran Nehmad.
22) February 27, 2002 - Female suicide bomber blows
herself up at an IDF checkpoint near the central town
of Modi'in. Five people wounded.
21) February 16, 2002 - A Palestinian Arab/Muslim
assassin deliberately chooses as his bloodshedding
target a crowd of Jewish children sitting at a pizzeria
in the town of Karnei Shomron. Three children die and
over 30 are wounded in the barbaric attack. Among the
victims was Rachel Thaler, a 16-year-old girl.
20) January 30, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
wounds two members of Shin Bet security service near Taibeh.
19) January 27, 2002 - Two people were murdered and 140
injured when a Palestinian genocide bomber blew herself
up in Jerusalem. Pinhas Tokatli, 81, grandfather of 13,
was killed in the explosion.
18) January 25, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up near a cafe in Tel Aviv, wounding 25
unarmed Israeli civilians.
17) December 12, 2001 - Two Palestinians blow
themselves up in the Gaza Strip, wounding at least
three people.
16) December 9, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonates explosives at hitch-hiking post near Haifa
wounding eight unarmed Israeli civilians.
15) December 5, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up outside a Jerusalem hotel wounding
three people.
14) December 2, 2001 - An Hamas assassin boarded an
Israeli bus traveling from the Neveh Sha'anan district
in Haifa, paying the driver with a large bill. He then
blew himself up as the driver asked him to collect his
change. The Palestinian terrorist groups Hamas, Islamic
Jihad and Arafat's Al-Aksa brigades believe in and
fight for the destruction of the State of Israel and
the genocide of its Jewish citizens (see above for
details). Tatiana Borovik, 23, was murdered by this
Palestinian excuse for a human being.
13) December 1, 2001 - At about 11:30 PM, two
Palestinian genocide bombers detonated explosive
devices on Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem, a pedestrian
mall frequented by many young people on Saturday night.
A car bomb exploded nearby 20 minutes later. Ten people
were killed, including many children, and 188 were
injured in the terrorist attacks. Among the victims was
Adam Weinstein, a 14-year-old kid who was celebrating a
friend's birthday in a cafe.
12) November 29, 2001 - Three unarmed civilians were
deliberately murdered by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad
when a massive explosion tore through a bus traveling
on a major highway between the Israeli coastal cities
of Hadera and Afula. Among the victims was Inbal Weiss,
a 22-year-old student murdered by the Palestinian assassin.
11) September 9, 2001 - An Israeli Arab Muslim blew
himself up at a train station in Nahariya, an Israeli
city, deliberately killing three people and wounding
over 90 unarmed civilians. The Islamic Palestinian
terrorist group Hamas took responsibility for the
murders.Among the victims was Morel Derfler, a
41-year-old father of two murdered by the Palestinian
genocide bomber
10) September 4, 2001 - Palestinian wounds 15 people
when he blows himself up outside a Jerusalem hospital.
9) August 12, 2001 - Palestinian assassin wounds 15
people when he blows himself up in a restaurant in
Kiryat Motzkin in northern Israel.
8) August 9, 2001 - 15 people were killed, including
7 children, and about 130 were injured in a suicide
bombing at the Sbarro pizzeria at the corner of King
George Street and Jaffa Road in downtown Jerusalem.
Carrying the explosives in a bag strapped to his body,
the Palestinian terrorist from the Islamic Jihad
entered the restaurant just before 2 PM and detonated
the bomb. The 5 kg.-10 kg. bomb, which was packed with
nails, screws, and bolts, completely gutted the
restaurant, which was full of lunchtime diners. Among
the victims was Avraham Schijveschuurder, a 4 year-old
kid.
7) July 16, 2001 - A Palestinian assassin exploded a
bomb at a bus stop near the train station in Binyamina,
halfway between Netanya and Haifa. The Palestinian
terrorist group "Islamic Jihad" (Islamic holy war)
claimed responsability for the attack which killed two
people. Among the victims was an 18-year-old Israeli
woman, Hanit Arami, who was serving her two years of
compulsory military service.
6) June 1, 2001 - 21 people were killed and 120 were
wounded when a Palestinian genocide bomber blew himself
up outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along
the seafront promenade just before midnight. The
Palestinian terrorist mingled with a large group of
teenagers, who were standing in line to enter the
disco. While still in line, he detonated the explosives
strapped to his body. The explosive charge contained a
large number of metal objects - including balls and
screws - designed to increase the extent of injuries.
Among the victims was a 14-year-old Israeli girl, Maria Tagilcheva.
5) May 18, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber from
the Hamas blew himself up at the entrance of a shopping
mall in the city of Netanya, near Tel-Aviv. Five people
were deliberately murdered in the blast and over 100
men, women and children were injured. Among the victims
was a 66-year-old Israeli grandmother of 11, Tirza Polonsky.
4) April 22, 2001 - On April 22, 2001 a Palestinian
genocide bomber blew himself up in Kfar Saba, an
Israeli town near Tel-Aviv, deliberately murdering two
and injuring over 50 people, including many women and
children. Among the victims was Dr. Mario Goldin, a
52-year-old father of 3 .
3) March 28, 2001 - Two Israeli teenagers on their way
to school were killed in a suicide terrorist attack
near a gas station outside Kfar Saba. An assassin, from
the Palestinian Hamas organization ("Islamic
Resistance"), blew himself up amidst a gathering of
students waiting at a bus stop. Four other teenagers
were wounded, one of them in critical condition. Among
the victims was Eliran Rosenberg, a 15-year-old boy -
2) March 27, 2001 - Suicide bomber blows himself up
next to a bus in Jerusalem's French Hill area, injuring
30 Israelis.
1) Oct 26, 2000 - Suicide bomber strikes near an IDF
post in the Gaza Strip, wounding a soldier.
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
13 Sep 2003 10:58:05 PM |
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In article <uDz7b.925996$ro6.18558506@news2.calgary.shaw.ca>,
"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:Byz7b.429738$4UE.190809@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:qdz7b.429652$4UE.303603@news01.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Don Wagner wrote:
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
news:00z7b.302393$Oz4.98691@rwcrnsc54...
"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:yJy7b.933488$3C2.21279022@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
If that's the best you can do.
You still haven't told us why the U.S.'s
recognition of Isreal was such a big deal.
The Soviet Union recognized Isreal as well ...
Whether the US, USSR or any country
"recognized" Israel, it is land robbed
from the Palestinian people.
Why didn't you give a ***** when the same land was occupied
by Jordan and Egypt?
When was that?
From 1948 until 1967
That's what I thought you meant. I can only speak for myself of course.
The reason I didn't give a ***** when that was happening is because I was
only 8 years old in 1967.
I see. And at what age were you when you decreed that our history officially
began?
Why should the fact of your age in 1967 alter the fact that
out of the many occupiers of the area known as Palestine
you criticize only Isreal?
Don Wagner
There is a huge difference. In the case of Egypt and Jordan as occupiers
it's a case of Arabs occupying Arabs, and also as a matter of
self-determination.
Against all recommendations by experts, Truman pushed for the
partitioning agreement because he felt sorry for WWII Jews. He decided
to solve one refugee problem by creating another. And in the course of
this forced solution, the United States denied the concept of
self-determination to the people of Palestine. And for decades since
then.
And who is really to blame for Israel being so totally out of control?
The winners of WWII who were too racist to accept Jewish refugees
themselves, and refused the partitioning plan knowing full well they'd
be creating an even bigger problem. And history has proven correct that
the partitioning plan was wrong. It was bad for Jews, it was bad for
Palestinians. But it was easier to just "get rid of the Jews" and
besides the Zionists wanted this land, so why not just give them what
they want?
America sided with the Jews against the Arabs in 1947 and 1948. That's
how the world sees it, in particular the Arab world. We've been arming
and subsidizing Israel ever since which only makes things worse. Not
better.
Chris
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
13 Sep 2003 10:35:37 PM |
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In article <yJy7b.933488$3C2.21279022@news3.calgary.shaw.ca>,
"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote:
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
news:7ry7b.302002$Oz4.98097@rwcrnsc54...
"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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More rapier-like wit from the sewer you call a mind.
More rapier-like repartee from the sewer you call a mind?
If that's the best you can do. You still haven't told us why the U.S.'s
recognition of Isreal was such a big deal. The Soviet Union
recognized Isreal as well but as usual we don't hear a peep
from dolts like you about that.
Don Wagner
Is it a rhetorical question? I can't tell. Maybe it had something to do
with the U.S. ambassador to the U.N. even being surprised that the U.S.
declared recognition of Israel, 11 minutes after it had declared itself
a state?
Chris
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
10 Sep 2003 06:08:36 AM |
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In article <Shw7b.300582$Oz4.94322@rwcrnsc54>,
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote:
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-A79191.22343809092003@netnews.attbi.com...
Translation: you can't find any IDF war crimes.
Your cop-out has been duly noted.
Hahahahahahahaha.
Dear nobody, everybody knows that Jews
have never ever committed any crime at all ever.
That is why they are G-d's chosen innocent-victims.
Translation: you can't find any IDF war crimes. Your cop-out has been
duly noted. Hahahahahahahaha.
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
13 Sep 2003 10:27:28 PM |
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In article <nobody-A79191.22343809092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <Gmv7b.404508$YN5.268682@sccrnsc01>,
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote:
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com...
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
It will have no effect on amoral and
shamefully shameless people.
Translation: you can't find any IDF war crimes. Your cop-out has been
duly noted. Hahahahahahahaha.
Amnesty International has a number of war crimes complaints against IDF.
Here is one:
http://web.amnesty.org/web/wire.nsf/December2002/Israel
Chris
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
14 Sep 2003 05:53:33 PM |
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Chris wrote:
In article <nobody-A79191.22343809092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <Gmv7b.404508$YN5.268682@sccrnsc01>,
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote:
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com...
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
It will have no effect on amoral and
shamefully shameless people.
Translation: you can't find any IDF war crimes. Your cop-out has been
duly noted. Hahahahahahahaha.
Amnesty International has a number of war crimes complaints against IDF.
Here is one:
http://web.amnesty.org/web/wire.nsf/December2002/Israel
Every one false just like their "Jenin massacre".
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15 Sep 2003 01:19:00 AM |
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In article <3F64F10C.13448374@gta.igs.net>, Pulver <redlen@gta.igs.net>
wrote:
Chris wrote:
In article <nobody-A79191.22343809092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <Gmv7b.404508$YN5.268682@sccrnsc01>,
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote:
"nobody" <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote in message
news:nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com...
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
It will have no effect on amoral and
shamefully shameless people.
Translation: you can't find any IDF war crimes. Your cop-out has been
duly noted. Hahahahahahahaha.
Amnesty International has a number of war crimes complaints against IDF.
Here is one:
http://web.amnesty.org/web/wire.nsf/December2002/Israel
Every one false just like their "Jenin massacre".
Right. Amnesty International has a lot of reasons to lie. What a troll.
Chris
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13 Sep 2003 10:25:42 PM |
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In article <nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
Irgun and LEHI were two Zionist terrorist groups. They killed 250 men,
women and children near Deir Yassin. This was in April 1948, just weeks
before Israel self-declared itself a state. Ben-Gurion was reported to
have said that "without Deir Yassin there would be no Israel."
Chris
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14 Sep 2003 12:19:31 AM |
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"Chris" <ihatespam@tinwhipme.com> wrote in message
news:ihatespam-FFF05B.21254313092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article
<c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
Irgun and LEHI were two Zionist terrorist groups. They killed 250 men,
women and children near Deir Yassin. This was in April 1948, just
weeks
before Israel self-declared itself a state. Ben-Gurion was reported to
have said that "without Deir Yassin there would be no Israel."
Chris
And now the Israelis say the Arabs that fleet their homeland 50 Years
ago have no right to return. Odd isn't the Jews have been absent from
Palestine for about 2000 Years claim Palestine is their homeland. What a
different 50 years can make compared to 2000 Years.
Kurt Knoll.
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| User: "Chris" |
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15 Sep 2003 01:24:44 AM |
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In article <1063516822.381066@critter.monarch.net>,
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:
And now the Israelis say the Arabs that fleet their homeland 50 Years
ago have no right to return. Odd isn't the Jews have been absent from
Palestine for about 2000 Years claim Palestine is their homeland. What a
different 50 years can make compared to 2000 Years.
I don't think these kinds of things should really surprise us. Humans
have murdered and lied for all of written history to get what they want.
If it's necessary to kill to get something, they will fine the
justification for it.
The bigger question is why is it our problem to get involved? Why is
Iraq our problem? Why is Israel's security our problem? It's about
politics, not about ethics or morality.
Chris
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15 Sep 2003 02:40:31 AM |
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"Chris" <ihatespam@tinwhipme.com> wrote in message
news:ihatespam-52CB39.00244315092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <1063516822.381066@critter.monarch.net>,
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:
And now the Israelis say the Arabs that fleet their homeland 50
Years
ago have no right to return. Odd isn't the Jews have been absent
from
Palestine for about 2000 Years claim Palestine is their homeland.
What a
different 50 years can make compared to 2000 Years.
I don't think these kinds of things should really surprise us. Humans
have murdered and lied for all of written history to get what they
want.
If it's necessary to kill to get something, they will fine the
justification for it.
The bigger question is why is it our problem to get involved? Why is
Iraq our problem? Why is Israel's security our problem? It's about
politics, not about ethics or morality.
Chris
All American Presidents talk about their Beloved Israeli Friends. And it
also looks like this are the only friends American has. But what a
Combination having Friends that can not be Trusted. Should an American
President no longer Support Israel then the Friendship is over and he is
out
Kurt Knoll.
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15 Sep 2003 10:58:56 AM |
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Chris;
(1) The Isrealis hold the ground. They have the bomb. They are not going
anywhere. They have utterly defeated the Arabs in every war they ever fought
with them.
(2) All this nonsense about who is "right" and who is" wrong," who did what
to whom 50 or 2000 years ago is foolishness.
The entire world, every square inch, has been taken forcefully from one
human group by another, many times over. It is foolish to try to justify who
"really owns"
a nation. He who controls the ground "owns" it
(3) Therefore, common sense dictates that whatever the solution, it MUST
satisify the requirements of both the Isrealis and the Palistinians.
(4) It is our problem, in fact the problem of the entire human race, even
those of us who try to ignore it, that we live in a very dangerous world
now.
These nitwit countries all want nuclear weapons. The oceans have become the
equivilent of gutters, they hardly matter at all as defensive barriers, in
fact they serve as excellent places to position missle platforms
(submarines). So they now represent avenues of attack, not defense barriers.
Even if these countries never used their nukes, the possibility of a reactor
meltdown could contaminate the entire world. The Soviet meltdown, as
example, contaminated all of Europe.
In fact it is still only contained in a hugh tomb, and must be constantly
cooled,
just to contain it, for thousands of years.
One good earth shock could cause it, or any existing reactor, to melt down,
regardless of what the various governments release as information on their
safety.
Bio weapons could be even worse. The Soviets also had a bio accident, which
almost killed an entire village.
Can you beleve the ignorant Arabs, given access to such things, will be able
or even concerned about safety? Or any of the other nightmares we now call
countries?
Thats why these things are our problem.
52CB39.00244315092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <1063516822.381066@critter.monarch.net>,
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:
And now the Israelis say the Arabs that fleet their homeland 50 Years
ago have no right to return. Odd isn't the Jews have been absent from
Palestine for about 2000 Years claim Palestine is their homeland. What a
different 50 years can make compared to 2000 Years.
I don't think these kinds of things should really surprise us. Humans
have murdered and lied for all of written history to get what they want.
If it's necessary to kill to get something, they will fine the
justification for it.
The bigger question is why is it our problem to get involved? Why is
Iraq our problem? Why is Israel's security our problem? It's about
politics, not about ethics or morality.
Chris
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| User: "Kurt Knoll" |
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15 Sep 2003 12:09:42 PM |
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<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:4ll9b.2545$KJ5.2102@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Chris;
(1) The Isrealis hold the ground. They have the bomb. They are not
going
anywhere. They have utterly defeated the Arabs in every war they ever
fought
with them.
(2) All this nonsense about who is "right" and who is" wrong," who did
what
to whom 50 or 2000 years ago is foolishness.
The entire world, every square inch, has been taken forcefully from
one
human group by another, many times over. It is foolish to try to
justify who
"really owns"
a nation. He who controls the ground "owns" it
(3) Therefore, common sense dictates that whatever the solution, it
MUST
satisify the requirements of both the Isrealis and the Palistinians.
(4) It is our problem, in fact the problem of the entire human race,
even
those of us who try to ignore it, that we live in a very dangerous
world
now.
These nitwit countries all want nuclear weapons. The oceans have
become the
equivilent of gutters, they hardly matter at all as defensive
barriers, in
fact they serve as excellent places to position missle platforms
(submarines). So they now represent avenues of attack, not defense
barriers.
Even if these countries never used their nukes, the possibility of a
reactor
meltdown could contaminate the entire world. The Soviet meltdown, as
example, contaminated all of Europe.
In fact it is still only contained in a hugh tomb, and must be
constantly
cooled,
just to contain it, for thousands of years.
One good earth shock could cause it, or any existing reactor, to melt
down,
regardless of what the various governments release as information on
their
safety.
Bio weapons could be even worse. The Soviets also had a bio accident,
which
almost killed an entire village.
Can you beleve the ignorant Arabs, given access to such things, will
be able
or even concerned about safety? Or any of the other nightmares we now
call
countries?
Thats why these things are our problem.
52CB39.00244315092003@netnews.attbi.com...
In article <1063516822.381066@critter.monarch.net>,
"Kurt Knoll" <kknoll@monarch.net> wrote:
And now the Israelis say the Arabs that fleet their homeland 50
Years
ago have no right to return. Odd isn't the Jews have been absent
from
Palestine for about 2000 Years claim Palestine is their homeland.
What a
different 50 years can make compared to 2000 Years.
I don't think these kinds of things should really surprise us.
Humans
have murdered and lied for all of written history to get what they
want.
If it's necessary to kill to get something, they will fine the
justification for it.
The bigger question is why is it our problem to get involved? Why is
Iraq our problem? Why is Israel's security our problem? It's about
politics, not about ethics or morality.
Chris
Why so much bride in Israel winning the wars. Did they really do it them
self's or was it with the big Brother called America. Have a good look
the way Israelis Target the Palestinians with the help of the American
Satellite system and the American weapons of mass destruction. Now tell
me is this smart or is it crooked all the way. What would your
definition be.
Kurt Knoll.
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17 Sep 2003 01:47:53 AM |
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In article <4ll9b.2545$KJ5.2102@fe2.columbus.rr.com>,
<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Chris;
(1) The Isrealis hold the ground. They have the bomb. They are not going
anywhere. They have utterly defeated the Arabs in every war they ever fought
with them.
Your first three sentences are irrelevant and your last one is false
just on the basis of the Yom Kippur War alone.
(3) Therefore, common sense dictates that whatever the solution, it MUST
satisify the requirements of both the Isrealis and the Palistinians.
So long as the extremists get to call the shots, there will be no
solution or satisfaction for anyone.
(4) It is our problem, in fact the problem of the entire human race, even
those of us who try to ignore it, that we live in a very dangerous world
now.
It's always been a very dangerous world. Propagating fear is
counterproductive and makes the world more dangerous.
These nitwit countries all want nuclear weapons.
This nitwit country wants even more nuclear weapons. This nitwit country
is the one who has used them.
Even if these countries never used their nukes, the possibility of a reactor
meltdown could contaminate the entire world. The Soviet meltdown, as
example, contaminated all of Europe.
In fact it is still only contained in a hugh tomb, and must be constantly
cooled,
just to contain it, for thousands of years.
One good earth shock could cause it, or any existing reactor, to melt down,
regardless of what the various governments release as information on their
safety.
Bio weapons could be even worse. The Soviets also had a bio accident, which
almost killed an entire village.
Can you beleve the ignorant Arabs, given access to such things, will be able
or even concerned about safety? Or any of the other nightmares we now call
countries?
Thats why these things are our problem.
There are problems that require diplomatic solutions, and real border,
customs and immigration security. Expensive military build ups,
interventionist foreign policy, indiscriminate killing, violations of
international law, and exporting terrorism aggitates people. The world
is nervous. Our allies are nervous. They are nervous of the U.S. They
are nervous of the consequences of our militaristic way of dealing with
problems.
We have the right to defend ourselves, but that is not what our leaders
are doing.
Chris
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| User: "Pulver" |
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14 Sep 2003 05:50:47 PM |
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Chris wrote:
In article <nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
Irgun and LEHI were two Zionist terrorist groups. They killed 250 men,
women and children near Deir Yassin. This was in April 1948, just weeks
before Israel self-declared itself a state. Ben-Gurion was reported to
have said that "without Deir Yassin there would be no Israel."
Chris
Of course you were not around in 48 and you do not know
any of the facts. Most of what you quote here is false.
Be that as it may, how about coming up with a list say
from 73 or from 93 if you are so smart —— be sure to
provide links and stay out of the arab and ngo
propaganda traps.
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| User: "Chris" |
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15 Sep 2003 01:21:21 AM |
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In article <3F64F066.B2DFFC17@gta.igs.net>, Pulver <redlen@gta.igs.net>
wrote:
Chris wrote:
In article <nobody-194D68.16111409092003@netnews.attbi.com>,
nobody <nobody@nospam.nohow.noway.com> wrote:
In article <c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
Irgun and LEHI were two Zionist terrorist groups. They killed 250 men,
women and children near Deir Yassin. This was in April 1948, just weeks
before Israel self-declared itself a state. Ben-Gurion was reported to
have said that "without Deir Yassin there would be no Israel."
Chris
Of course you were not around in 48 and you do not know
any of the facts. Most of what you quote here is false.
Go tell it to Sheldon Richman and the Cato Institute. You do know who
Sheldon Richman is don't you?
Chris
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| User: "Pulver" |
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09 Sep 2003 04:53:39 PM |
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nobody wrote:
In article <c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> whined:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
Even if there was available material to list, he could
not do it.
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
09 Sep 2003 03:54:25 PM |
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nobody wrote:
In article <c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com>,
Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
Why don't you publish one?
I'll look for one.
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| User: "Terry Pearson" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
09 Sep 2003 02:43:00 PM |
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Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
--
Terry Pearson
Terry's Useful Idiots:
Dilbert Deilly
Maxed out Bushwanker
Hartman Shiftless
Gweg Mcdonald
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
news:c8p7b.42190$mk1.3217@news02.bloor.is.net.cable.rogers.com...
Pulver wrote:
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
Where's your list of IDF war crimes great gramps?
Or settler atrocities?
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
09 Sep 2003 02:51:19 PM |
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Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
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| User: "David Deilley" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
09 Sep 2003 03:09:05 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
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| User: "Paul Moore" |
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09 Sep 2003 07:15:40 PM |
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"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
news:Brq7b.932155$3C2.21216634@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
And Tim, the local Nazi isn't?
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| User: "David Deilley" |
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09 Sep 2003 07:45:48 PM |
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"Paul Moore" <moorepa#@#rogers.com> wrote
"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
news:Brq7b.932155$3C2.21216634@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
And Tim, the local Nazi isn't?
I haven't read enough of "Tim" to draw conculsions.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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09 Sep 2003 08:57:29 PM |
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David Deilley wrote:
"Paul Moore" <moorepa#@#rogers.com> wrote
"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
news:Brq7b.932155$3C2.21216634@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
And Tim, the local Nazi isn't?
I haven't read enough of "Tim" to draw conculsions.
*****!!!
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| User: "Mark K" |
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09 Sep 2003 09:30:10 PM |
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"Pulver" <redlen@gta.igs.net> wrote in message
news:3F5E849E.2D62BBB9@gta.igs.net...
I haven't read enough of "Tim" to draw conculsions.
*****!!!
Not everbody is fortunate enough to be born an expert
arse-sniffer, Pulver.
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| User: "Mark K" |
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10 Sep 2003 12:00:32 AM |
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"Terry Pearson" <rtpt_2000@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Qby7b.122990$la.2721050@news1.calgary.shaw.ca...
It could be true. Since Dilbert is getting his therapy from a dominatrix
he could be struck senseless. He does claim to speak for the whole NG.
And are you the dominatrix's pet mouth-piece and boy-toy?
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| User: "Pulver" |
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09 Sep 2003 08:55:43 PM |
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Paul Moore wrote:
"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
news:Brq7b.932155$3C2.21216634@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
And Tim, the local Nazi isn't?
And "Deilley" too
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| User: "Jeffrey Turner" |
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10 Sep 2003 12:28:31 AM |
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Mark K wrote:
"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:3F5E9A0F.9050903@localnet.com...
Yeah, Pulver and the Likudnik Gestapo. Bleat on.
Or the KGB? Traditions, traditions, traditions.
" A Struggle for the Soul of the Jewish People
by the Rt. Hon. Winston Churchill
Illustrated Sunday Herald, February 8, 1920
<Excerpts>
There is no need to exaggerate the part played
in the creation of Bolshevism and in the actual bringing
about of the Russian Revolution by these
international and for the most part atheistical Jews.
It is certainly a very great one; it probably outweighs all others.
With the notable exception of Lenin, the majority of the
leading figures are Jews.
In the Soviet institutions the predominance of Jews is even more
astonishing.
And the prominent, if not indeed the principal, part in the system of
terrorism applied by the Extraordinary Commissions for Combating
Counter-Revolution has been taken by Jews, and in some notable
cases by Jewesses.
Although in all these countries there are many non-Jews every whit as
bad as the worst of the Jewish revolutionaries, the part played by the
latter in proportion to their numbers is astonishing. ... "
Take your mindless anti-Semitism and go home.
--Jeff
--
"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison
"an enormous Proportion of Property vested in
a few Individuals is dangerous to the Rights,
and destructive of the Common Happiness, of
Mankind; and therefore every free State hath
a Right by its Laws to discourage the Possession
of such Property."
Ben Franklin
"To delight in war is a merit in the soldier,
a dangerous quality in the captain, and a
positive crime in the statesman."
George Santayana
"Bring 'em on."
George W. Bush
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10 Sep 2003 12:51:30 AM |
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"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:vltdjvjo9pkm0a@corp.supernews.com...
Take your mindless anti-Semitism and go home.
Take your mindless anti-nonSemitism and go home.
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09 Sep 2003 08:41:13 PM |
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"David Deilley" <google@integrate.com> wrote in message
news:Brq7b.932155$3C2.21216634@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
More like: War crimes bad, David Deilley cunningly-stupid.
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| User: "Pulver" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
09 Sep 2003 04:51:41 PM |
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David Deilley whined:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote
Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
More like: War crimes bad, Terry Pearson stupid.
the stupid calls himself "David Deilley"
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