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"Pulver" |
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09 Sep 2003 01:26:00 PM |
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Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian Genocide Bombings |
Where's the outrage?
A detailed list of Palestinian Homicide Bombings
[You will notice that the assassins target, primarily,
women of childbearing age, schoolchildren, particularly
teenagers, and infants. Why? To reduce the Jewish
birthrate and reduce the population of Jews.]
Chronology of Palestinian Homicide Bombings:
59) June 11, 2003 - Sixteen Israelis were killed and
more than 100 were wounded when a fascist Palestinian
homicide bomber, dressed as an ultra-Orthodox Jew,
detonated his explosives belt on a bus in downtown
Jerusalem. Palestinian terrorists have attempted 11
homicide bombings and murdered 23 Israelis in the last
4 days, since Palestinians "accepted" the "roadmap for
peace" and the end of violence
58) May 19, 2003 - In the fifth suicide bombing in two
days, a Palestinian homicide bomber blew up at the main
entrance to the Shaarei Amakim mall in Afula killing
three Israelis and wounding 50 -
57) May 18, 2003 - The scum from Hamas, the Palestinian
Islamic Jihad or Arafat's Al-Aksa brigades once again
murdered unarmed innocent women and children when a
homicide bomber blew up on a bus in Jerusalem killing
seven people and wounding 20 -
56) April 29, 2003 - A Muslim British citizen blows
himself at "Mike's Place", a restaurant in Tel Aviv,
murdering 4 Israelis and injuring 50.
55) April 23, 2003 - To prove that Palestinians are
serious about not implementing any peace agreement, a
Palestinian murderer killed one and wounded nine in a
homicide bombing at the entrance to the Kfar Sava train
station, northeast of Tel Aviv.
54) March 30, 2003 - In the first suicide bombing since
the start of the Iraq war, a Palestinian terrorist
detonated himself outside a crowded cafe in the
Mediterranean coastal city of Netanya, wounding nearly
40 people, two of them critically.
53) March 5, 2003 - 16 people, including many school
children, were massacred by a Palestinian homicide
bomber who blew himself up in a crowded bus in the
northern Israeli city of Haifa. Abigail Litle, a
14-year-old girl, and a citizen of the United States of
America, was killed in the blast.
52) January 5, 2003 - 23 people were killed, and more
than 80 were wounded when two Palestinian murderers
from the Islamic Jihad blew themselves up. Two powerful
blasts, about 2 minutes apart, ripped through a crowded
neighborhood near the old Tel Aviv bus station. Steven
Cromwell, a 43-year-old father of 2, and a citizen of
Ghana,
51) November 21, 2002 - Massacre in Jerusalem: a
Palestinian homicide/suicide bomber detonated an
explosives belt packed with nuts and bolts to maximize
the impact inside a Jerusalem bus filled with
schoolchildren. Eleven Israelis were murdered and over
50 wounded in the terrorist attack, including 5 women
and 4 children. The Palestinian group Hamas (Islamic
Resistance) proudly claimed responsibility for the
murders. Among the victims was Ilan Perlman, an
8-year-old boy.
50) November 4, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blew himself up in a crowded shopping center in Israeli
town of Kfar Saba. Two Israelis were murdered and 32
wounded in the terrorist attack, including two infants.
The Palestinian Islamic Jihad proudly claimed
responsibility for the murders. Among the victims was
a 15-year-old kid, Gaston Perpiñal,
originally born in Argentina.
49) October 27, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber blew himself up outside a gas station outside
the Israeli town of Ariel, killing himelf, two Israelis
and wounding over 30. Ten to 15 of the wounded were in
serious condition, media reports said. A woman shouted
at a group of soldiers that she suspected a suicide
bomber was among them, and a soldier opened fire, "then
the bomber blew up,". The Palestinian terrorist group
Hamas proudly claimed responsibility for the murders.
48) October 21, 2002 - Fourteen people were killed and
50 wounded when a car bomb containing about 100
kilograms (200 lbs) of explosives was detonated next to
an Israeli bus traveling along Wadi Ara on Route No. 65
towards Hadera. The bus had pulled over at a bus stop
at the Karkur junction when the homicide/suicide
bomber, driving a jeep, approached from behind and
exploded. The Palestinian Islamic Jihad claimed that
the murders were carried out by two of its members from
Jenin. Among the victims was a 19-year-old young
Israeli woman, Sharon Tubol.
47) October 10, 2002 - A Palestinian terrorist slips
while boarding an Israeli bus and falls. The bus driver
and a fellow passenger then pinned the bomber to the
ground after seeing some wires sticking out of his
clothing, and screamed: "It's a terrorist! Everybody
get out of here!". Unfortunately, the incompetent
Palestinian morron managed to blow himself up murdering
Sa'ada Aharon, a 71-year-old grandmother of15, and
injuring over two dozen.
46) September 19, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blew himself up in a crowded bus in Tel-Aviv,
deliberately murdering 5 and wounding over 60 Israeli
men, women and children. The blast occurred at about 1
p.m. local time on bus No. 4 at the corner of Allenby
and Montefiore Streets, near The Great Synagogue of Tel
Aviv. The force of the blast blew the roof off the bus,
blew out most of its windows and blackened the
interior. A witness, Shmuel Salomon, said he saw bodies
being hurled from the bus. "There were arms and legs on
the ground. It was a horror," said Shmuel Salomon, who
owns a restaurant in the area. Among the victims was
Solomon Hoenig, a 79-year-old grandfather of 5.
45) September 18, 2002 - A Palestinian suicide bomber
blew himself up at a busy intersection outside the
Israeli-Arab city of Umm el Fahm, killing a police
officer and wounding three people. The bomber detonated
his explosives while standing on the highway, after
police approached him because he was suspiciously
weaving between trucks on foot.
44) August 4, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber blew
himself up on a bus at the height of morning rush hour
traffic near the Israeli town of Tsfat. Nine passengers
were killed and over 50 innocent human beings were
seriously injured. The explosion blew off the roof of
the bus and the vehicle then burst into flames. "I
picked up four dead myself," Haim Ben-Shimon, a
civilian who was nearby at the time of the blast, told
a Radio news station. "The bus is simply crushed. It
looks as if the explosion happened in the center of the
bus. The Palestinian terrorist group "Islamic Jihad"
managed to kill Adelina Kononen, a 37-year-old mother
of 2, originally from the Philippines.
43) July 31, 2002 - Seven Israeli students were
slaughtered when a very powerful bomb exploded inside a
school bag on a table inside a Hebrew University
cafeteria in Jerusalem. Over 80 people were injured by
the blast, including 14 that are currently in critical
condition. The Palestinian terrorist group Hamas
(Islamic Resistance) claimed responsibility for the
murders.
42) July 17, 2002 - At least three people were killed
and more than 30 wounded in a double genocide bombing
in the heart of Tel Aviv. The attack came a day after a
murderous attack on a bus near the town of Emmanuel
that killed eight. Police said two Palestinian
terrorists blew themselves up between a cafe and a
cinema in an area near the former central bus station
that has become a center of night life mainly for
foreign workers.
41) June 19, 2002 - Seven Israeli unarmed civilians
were killed and 37 injured when a Palestinian genocide
bomber blew himself up at a crowded bus stop and
hitchhiking post in the French Hill neighborhood of
Jerusalem. The Al Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, which directly
reports to Yasser Arafat, claimed responsibility for
the attack.
40) June 18, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber detonated an explosive device packed with nails
and metal shards on a crowded city bus in Jerusalem
during morning rush hour, killing 19 passengers and
wounding dozens more. Many high-school students were
killed in the blast.
39) June 12, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber killed Hadar Hershkowitz, a 15-year-old Israeli
girl, and wounded 10 others when he blew himself up in
the middle of a group of people in a restaurant in
Herzliya, just north of Tel-Aviv.
38) June 5, 2002 - A Palestinian terrorist drove a car
packed with a large quantity of explosives into an
Israeli bus (Egged No. 830) traveling from Tel-Aviv to
Tiberias at the Megiddo junction near Afula. 17 people
were killed and over 50 were injured. The Palestinian
Islamic Jihad (Islamic holy war) claimed responsibility
for the murder.
37) May 27, 2002 - A Palestinian homicide/suicide
bomber blows himself in front of a coffee shop in Petah
Tikvah, east of Tel-Aviv, killing two and injuring over
30. A 3 year old girl is reported dead, while an 18
month infant is reported critically injured. The
Palestinian terrorist group "Al Aksa Martyr's brigade",
which directly reports to Arafat, has taken
responsibility for the homicide.
36) May 22, 2002 - A suicide bomber blows himself up on
the pedestrian mall in Rishon Letzion, 15 km (10mi)
southeast of Tel Aviv shortly after 9 p.m. Two people
are killed in the blast and over 30 others are wounded.
35) May 19, 2002 - An homicide/suicide bomber rocks
Netanya main market killing three and wounding dozens.
Among the victims was Yosef Haviv, a 70-year-old Israeli.
34) May 8, 2002 - A suicide bomber strikes at a snooker
club in Rishon Letzion south of Tel Aviv, killing 16
Israelis and wounding 60. "Mother of 3 is victim"
33) April 12, 2002 - Female suicide bomber blows
herself up at the Mahane Yehuda market, Jerusalem's
main outdoor market, killing six people and wounding
over 100. "Grandmother of 9, victim of Palestinian Terrorism"
32) April 10, 2002 - A Palestinian suicide bomber kills
eight and wounds 12 when he blows himself up on a bus
crowded with commuters near the northern city of Haifa.
Noa Shlomo, 18, was killed in the blast.
31) March 31, 2002 - Suicide bomber blows himself up in
the Matza restaurant run by Israeli Arabs in the
northern port city of Haifa, 15 people are killed and
44 are injured. A second suicide attack wounds six
people at the West Bank settlement of Efrat. Orly Ofir,
16, was one of the Haifa victims murdered by the
Palestinian homicide bomber,
30) March 30, 2002 - Suicide bomber blows himself up in
a busy Tel Aviv restaurant on Allenby Street, at least
20 people are hurt.
29) March 29, 2002 - Woman suicide bomber blows herself
up at a supermarket in the Kiryat Yovel suburb of
Jerusalem, killing two people and injuring at least 20.
Rachel Levy, 17, was one of the victims murdered by the
Palestinian genocide bomber,
28) March 27, 2002 - On Passover (a Jewish Holiday), a
Palestinian genocide bomber walked into the dining room
a hotel, located in the center of Netanya, where 250
guests had just sat down to begin dinner. He detonated
an explosive device, killing 22 and injuring 140,
including many children and elderly. The Palestinian
assassin was identified as a member of Fatah Al-Aksa
Martyrs brigades, a terrorist group that directly
reports to Yasser Arafat. He was on the list of wanted
terrorists Israel had requested be arrested. Dvora
Karim, 73, was a grandmother of 3 and great-grandmother
of 1 that was killed in the attack.
27) March 21, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonated a bomb, packed with metal spikes and nails,
in the center of a crowd of shoppers on King George
Street in Jerusalem. Three unarmed civilians were
killed and 86 were injured. Among the victims was Tzipi
Shemesh, 29, a pregnant mother of 2.
26) March 20, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up on a bus near the Israeli Arab town of
Umm al-Fahm, killing seven people and wounding 27. The
attack occurred around 7 AM., shortly after the
No. 823 Egged bus had stopped to take on passengers at
the Umm el-Fahm junction. A few moments later, the
terrorist detonated the explosives strapped to his
body, blowing himself up and killing or wounding all
of those with him on the bus, which was completely
gutted. Among the victims was Mogus Mahento, 75,
grandfather of 13, who had immigrated from Ethiopia in
1991.
25) March 9, 2002 - A Palestinian assassin kills 11
people and injures 54 by blowing himself up in a
crowded Cafe in Jerusalem. The bomber walked into the
Cafe Moment and detonated a powerful explosive
charge that completely gutted the restaurant. The cafe
was teeming with dozens of people at the time of the
attack. Orit Ozerov, 28, was one of 11 people killed
and 54 injured in the explosion.
24) March 5, 2002 - A Palestinian assassin blew himself
up on a bus in the Israeli city of Afula, killing one
and wounding at least five. The bus was en route from
Nazareth to Tel-Aviv. The bus driver related that the
Palestinian murderer, who was clean-shaven and wearing
a padded jacket, did not arouse any suspicion until he
declined to accept change from a NIS 50 bill. Maharatu
Tagana, an 85-year-old father of 12, was killed in the blast.
23) March 2, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonated a bomb next to a group of women waiting with
their baby carriages for their husbands to leave a
nearby synagogue. Ten people, including five children,
were killed. Among the victims was 3-year-old Liran Nehmad.
22) February 27, 2002 - Female suicide bomber blows
herself up at an IDF checkpoint near the central town
of Modi'in. Five people wounded.
21) February 16, 2002 - A Palestinian Arab/Muslim
assassin deliberately chooses as his bloodshedding
target a crowd of Jewish children sitting at a pizzeria
in the town of Karnei Shomron. Three children die and
over 30 are wounded in the barbaric attack. Among the
victims was Rachel Thaler, a 16-year-old girl.
20) January 30, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
wounds two members of Shin Bet security service near Taibeh.
19) January 27, 2002 - Two people were murdered and 140
injured when a Palestinian genocide bomber blew herself
up in Jerusalem. Pinhas Tokatli, 81, grandfather of 13,
was killed in the explosion.
18) January 25, 2002 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up near a cafe in Tel Aviv, wounding 25
unarmed Israeli civilians.
17) December 12, 2001 - Two Palestinians blow
themselves up in the Gaza Strip, wounding at least
three people.
16) December 9, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
detonates explosives at hitch-hiking post near Haifa
wounding eight unarmed Israeli civilians.
15) December 5, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber
blows himself up outside a Jerusalem hotel wounding
three people.
14) December 2, 2001 - An Hamas assassin boarded an
Israeli bus traveling from the Neveh Sha'anan district
in Haifa, paying the driver with a large bill. He then
blew himself up as the driver asked him to collect his
change. The Palestinian terrorist groups Hamas, Islamic
Jihad and Arafat's Al-Aksa brigades believe in and
fight for the destruction of the State of Israel and
the genocide of its Jewish citizens (see above for
details). Tatiana Borovik, 23, was murdered by this
Palestinian excuse for a human being.
13) December 1, 2001 - At about 11:30 PM, two
Palestinian genocide bombers detonated explosive
devices on Ben Yehuda Street in Jerusalem, a pedestrian
mall frequented by many young people on Saturday night.
A car bomb exploded nearby 20 minutes later. Ten people
were killed, including many children, and 188 were
injured in the terrorist attacks. Among the victims was
Adam Weinstein, a 14-year-old kid who was celebrating a
friend's birthday in a cafe.
12) November 29, 2001 - Three unarmed civilians were
deliberately murdered by the Palestinian Islamic Jihad
when a massive explosion tore through a bus traveling
on a major highway between the Israeli coastal cities
of Hadera and Afula. Among the victims was Inbal Weiss,
a 22-year-old student murdered by the Palestinian assassin.
11) September 9, 2001 - An Israeli Arab Muslim blew
himself up at a train station in Nahariya, an Israeli
city, deliberately killing three people and wounding
over 90 unarmed civilians. The Islamic Palestinian
terrorist group Hamas took responsibility for the
murders.Among the victims was Morel Derfler, a
41-year-old father of two murdered by the Palestinian
genocide bomber
10) September 4, 2001 - Palestinian wounds 15 people
when he blows himself up outside a Jerusalem hospital.
9) August 12, 2001 - Palestinian assassin wounds 15
people when he blows himself up in a restaurant in
Kiryat Motzkin in northern Israel.
8) August 9, 2001 - 15 people were killed, including
7 children, and about 130 were injured in a suicide
bombing at the Sbarro pizzeria at the corner of King
George Street and Jaffa Road in downtown Jerusalem.
Carrying the explosives in a bag strapped to his body,
the Palestinian terrorist from the Islamic Jihad
entered the restaurant just before 2 PM and detonated
the bomb. The 5 kg.-10 kg. bomb, which was packed with
nails, screws, and bolts, completely gutted the
restaurant, which was full of lunchtime diners. Among
the victims was Avraham Schijveschuurder, a 4 year-old
kid.
7) July 16, 2001 - A Palestinian assassin exploded a
bomb at a bus stop near the train station in Binyamina,
halfway between Netanya and Haifa. The Palestinian
terrorist group "Islamic Jihad" (Islamic holy war)
claimed responsability for the attack which killed two
people. Among the victims was an 18-year-old Israeli
woman, Hanit Arami, who was serving her two years of
compulsory military service.
6) June 1, 2001 - 21 people were killed and 120 were
wounded when a Palestinian genocide bomber blew himself
up outside a disco near Tel Aviv's Dolphinarium along
the seafront promenade just before midnight. The
Palestinian terrorist mingled with a large group of
teenagers, who were standing in line to enter the
disco. While still in line, he detonated the explosives
strapped to his body. The explosive charge contained a
large number of metal objects - including balls and
screws - designed to increase the extent of injuries.
Among the victims was a 14-year-old Israeli girl, Maria Tagilcheva.
5) May 18, 2001 - A Palestinian genocide bomber from
the Hamas blew himself up at the entrance of a shopping
mall in the city of Netanya, near Tel-Aviv. Five people
were deliberately murdered in the blast and over 100
men, women and children were injured. Among the victims
was a 66-year-old Israeli grandmother of 11, Tirza Polonsky.
4) April 22, 2001 - On April 22, 2001 a Palestinian
genocide bomber blew himself up in Kfar Saba, an
Israeli town near Tel-Aviv, deliberately murdering two
and injuring over 50 people, including many women and
children. Among the victims was Dr. Mario Goldin, a
52-year-old father of 3 .
3) March 28, 2001 - Two Israeli teenagers on their way
to school were killed in a suicide terrorist attack
near a gas station outside Kfar Saba. An assassin, from
the Palestinian Hamas organization ("Islamic
Resistance"), blew himself up amidst a gathering of
students waiting at a bus stop. Four other teenagers
were wounded, one of them in critical condition. Among
the victims was Eliran Rosenberg, a 15-year-old boy -
2) March 27, 2001 - Suicide bomber blows himself up
next to a bus in Jerusalem's French Hill area, injuring
30 Israelis.
1) Oct 26, 2000 - Suicide bomber strikes near an IDF
post in the Gaza Strip, wounding a soldier.
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
10 Sep 2003 01:43:23 AM |
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Don Wagner wrote:
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Paul Moore wrote:
"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote:
Let me say first of all it is not right from either side but
let's face
facts when you drop a 550 pund bomb on an apartment complex to
get one guy
without regard for the other inhabitants you are going to get
what you get.
I think the old phrase is "If you continue to do what you did,
then you
should expect to get what you got" Doesn't make it right but it
will cause
more of the same
Which is why you can expect another 500 lb bomb to be dropped on
the home of some Hamas terrorist tomorrow as well.
The fact is Hamas and the other terrorist organizations hide
among civilians.
Gee, where's the Palestinian army base - I'm sure they'd
join up.
They have been known to deliberately set up
mortars in schoolyards and next to hospitals hoping for
"collateral damage". Since the Palestinian government, such as it
is, makes no effort to stop terrorists, makes no effort to arrest
or punish them, that leaves the Israelis the job. And since the
only alternative to using bombs and rockets is to send an armed
incursion into Palestinian terroritory, possibly costing far more
lives on both sides, the bombs are the best, most "surgical"
choice for killing terrorist leaders.
Israel doesn't stop its own terrorists. Blah, blah, blah.
We've heard your excuses forever in the mainstream press.
As for who started what, the terrorist bombings predate this
"targeted killing", so I think I'll blame Yasser Arafat and his
terrorist friends.
The "terrorist" killings go all the way back to Begin's
days in the Irgun. Blame him and his terrorist friends.
Why don't we blame the fucking idiots on the Arab side who could have
had a
Palestinian State in 1948 but got greedy
and got their sorry asses kicked and got nothing.
Why don't you read a book about the intentions of the Zionist Jews.
They
have stated that they would remove the partion as soon as they could.
So really, what you are saying is the Palestinians could have had a
Palestinian state until the Zionists could set up an army and took
over
the whole of Palestine.
No, because there was no such intention. Had they wanted to overrun
"Palestine"
they could have done it in 1948. The 5 invading armies were defeated,
remember?
'...and in October 1938, he (David ben Gurion) wrote to his children
that
:
"I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of
Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
and in September 1937, he stated to a group of American Jewish labour
leaders in New York:
"the borders [of the Jewish state] will not be fixed for eternity."
(Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
similarly, he also stated to his son Amos in October 1937 that a "Jewish
state" in part of Palestine was:
"not the end, but only the beginning." Its establishment would give a
"powerful boost to our historic efforts to redeem the country in its
entirety." For the "Jewish state" would have "outstanding army-- I have
no doubt that our army will be among the world's outstanding--and so I
am certain that we won't be constrained from settling in the rest of the
country, either by mutual agreement and understanding with our Arab
neighbors, or by some other way. . . . . I still believe . . . . that
after we become numerous and strong, the Arabs will understand that it
is best for them to strike an alliance with us, and to benefit from our
help, providing they allow us by their good will to settle in all parts
of Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)...'
Remember how he stated to the world how Isreal would accept the
Partition
of Palestine? That was in 1948
Yes, they would accept it as a first step. That's what he said all along.
But he didn't say it was a first step. He said it as an acceptance of the
partition of Palestine. Further, if, as you say, the sole aim was to
keep Palestine, why then, did they go along with the Oslo accord and
offer to give most of it back in exchange for peace?
Some of them did. Obviously, some of them had other ideas. And I don't
think they offered most of it back. They didn't even offer most of the
original Palestinian partition back.
Don Wagner
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| User: "Tim" |
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| Title: Re: Where's the outrage? A detailed list of Palestinian GenocideBombings |
10 Sep 2003 01:59:10 AM |
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Don Wagner wrote:
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
news:3F5E996D.7030004@localnet.com...
Paul Moore wrote:
"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote:
Let me say first of all it is not right from either side but
let's face
facts when you drop a 550 pund bomb on an apartment complex to
get one guy
without regard for the other inhabitants you are going to get
what you get.
I think the old phrase is "If you continue to do what you did,
then you
should expect to get what you got" Doesn't make it right but it
will cause
more of the same
Which is why you can expect another 500 lb bomb to be dropped on
the home of some Hamas terrorist tomorrow as well.
The fact is Hamas and the other terrorist organizations hide
among civilians.
Gee, where's the Palestinian army base - I'm sure they'd
join up.
They have been known to deliberately set up
mortars in schoolyards and next to hospitals hoping for
"collateral damage". Since the Palestinian government, such as it
is, makes no effort to stop terrorists, makes no effort to arrest
or punish them, that leaves the Israelis the job. And since the
only alternative to using bombs and rockets is to send an armed
incursion into Palestinian terroritory, possibly costing far more
lives on both sides, the bombs are the best, most "surgical"
choice for killing terrorist leaders.
Israel doesn't stop its own terrorists. Blah, blah, blah.
We've heard your excuses forever in the mainstream press.
As for who started what, the terrorist bombings predate this
"targeted killing", so I think I'll blame Yasser Arafat and his
terrorist friends.
The "terrorist" killings go all the way back to Begin's
days in the Irgun. Blame him and his terrorist friends.
Why don't we blame the fucking idiots on the Arab side who could
have
had a
Palestinian State in 1948 but got greedy
and got their sorry asses kicked and got nothing.
Why don't you read a book about the intentions of the Zionist Jews.
They
have stated that they would remove the partion as soon as they
could.
So really, what you are saying is the Palestinians could have had a
Palestinian state until the Zionists could set up an army and took
over
the whole of Palestine.
No, because there was no such intention. Had they wanted to overrun
"Palestine"
they could have done it in 1948. The 5 invading armies were defeated,
remember?
'...and in October 1938, he (David ben Gurion) wrote to his children
that
:
"I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of
Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
and in September 1937, he stated to a group of American Jewish labour
leaders in New York:
"the borders [of the Jewish state] will not be fixed for eternity."
(Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
similarly, he also stated to his son Amos in October 1937 that a
"Jewish
state" in part of Palestine was:
"not the end, but only the beginning." Its establishment would give a
"powerful boost to our historic efforts to redeem the country in its
entirety." For the "Jewish state" would have "outstanding army-- I
have
no doubt that our army will be among the world's outstanding--and so I
am certain that we won't be constrained from settling in the rest of
the
country, either by mutual agreement and understanding with our Arab
neighbors, or by some other way. . . . . I still believe . . . . that
after we become numerous and strong, the Arabs will understand that it
is best for them to strike an alliance with us, and to benefit from
our
help, providing they allow us by their good will to settle in all
parts
of Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)...'
Remember how he stated to the world how Isreal would accept the
Partition
of Palestine? That was in 1948
Yes, they would accept it as a first step. That's what he said all
along.
But he didn't say it was a first step. He said it as an acceptance of
the
partition of Palestine. Further, if, as you say, the sole aim was to
keep Palestine, why then, did they go along with the Oslo accord and
offer to give most of it back in exchange for peace?
Some of them did. Obviously, some of them had other ideas. And I don't
think they offered most of it back. They didn't even offer most of the
original Palestinian partition back.
No, they offered as much back as the U.N required of them, which was to a
defensible border. The actual offer was well over
90% of the pre 1967 territory as far as the original Palestine, well which
part did you think they should offer? Jordan?
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Don Wagner
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
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Paul Moore wrote:
"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote:
Let me say first of all it is not right from either side but
let's face
facts when you drop a 550 pund bomb on an apartment complex to
get one guy
without regard for the other inhabitants you are going to get
what you get.
I think the old phrase is "If you continue to do what you did,
then you
should expect to get what you got" Doesn't make it right but
it
will cause
more of the same
Which is why you can expect another 500 lb bomb to be dropped
on
the home of some Hamas terrorist tomorrow as well.
The fact is Hamas and the other terrorist organizations hide
among civilians.
Gee, where's the Palestinian army base - I'm sure they'd
join up.
They have been known to deliberately set up
mortars in schoolyards and next to hospitals hoping for
"collateral damage". Since the Palestinian government, such as
it
is, makes no effort to stop terrorists, makes no effort to
arrest
or punish them, that leaves the Israelis the job. And since the
only alternative to using bombs and rockets is to send an armed
incursion into Palestinian terroritory, possibly costing far
more
lives on both sides, the bombs are the best, most "surgical"
choice for killing terrorist leaders.
Israel doesn't stop its own terrorists. Blah, blah, blah.
We've heard your excuses forever in the mainstream press.
As for who started what, the terrorist bombings predate this
"targeted killing", so I think I'll blame Yasser Arafat and his
terrorist friends.
The "terrorist" killings go all the way back to Begin's
days in the Irgun. Blame him and his terrorist friends.
Why don't we blame the fucking idiots on the Arab side who could
have
had a
Palestinian State in 1948 but got greedy
and got their sorry asses kicked and got nothing.
Why don't you read a book about the intentions of the Zionist
Jews.
They
have stated that they would remove the partion as soon as they
could.
So really, what you are saying is the Palestinians could have had
a
Palestinian state until the Zionists could set up an army and took
over
the whole of Palestine.
No, because there was no such intention. Had they wanted to overrun
"Palestine"
they could have done it in 1948. The 5 invading armies were
defeated,
remember?
'...and in October 1938, he (David ben Gurion) wrote to his children
that
:
"I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of
Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
and in September 1937, he stated to a group of American Jewish
labour
leaders in New York:
"the borders [of the Jewish state] will not be fixed for eternity."
(Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
similarly, he also stated to his son Amos in October 1937 that a
"Jewish
state" in part of Palestine was:
"not the end, but only the beginning." Its establishment would give
a
"powerful boost to our historic efforts to redeem the country in its
entirety." For the "Jewish state" would have "outstanding army-- I
have
no doubt that our army will be among the world's outstanding--and so
I
am certain that we won't be constrained from settling in the rest of
the
country, either by mutual agreement and understanding with our Arab
neighbors, or by some other way. . . . . I still believe . . . .
that
after we become numerous and strong, the Arabs will understand that
it
is best for them to strike an alliance with us, and to benefit from
our
help, providing they allow us by their good will to settle in all
parts
of Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)...'
Remember how he stated to the world how Isreal would accept the
Partition
of Palestine? That was in 1948
Yes, they would accept it as a first step. That's what he said all
along.
But he didn't say it was a first step. He said it as an acceptance of
the
partition of Palestine. Further, if, as you say, the sole aim was to
keep Palestine, why then, did they go along with the Oslo accord and
offer to give most of it back in exchange for peace?
Some of them did. Obviously, some of them had other ideas. And I don't
think they offered most of it back. They didn't even offer most of the
original Palestinian partition back.
No, they offered as much back as the U.N required of them, which was to
a
defensible border. The actual offer was well over
90% of the pre 1967 territory as far as the original Palestine, well
which
part did you think they should offer? Jordan?
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
They were only required to retreat to defensible borders. When are
the Palestinians going to declare their borders? Will they include
Jordan?
Don Wagner
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
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Paul Moore wrote:
"DDB" <i.sukhar@comcast.net> wrote:
Let me say first of all it is not right from either side but
let's face
facts when you drop a 550 pund bomb on an apartment complex to
get one guy
without regard for the other inhabitants you are going to get
what you get.
I think the old phrase is "If you continue to do what you did,
then you
should expect to get what you got" Doesn't make it right but
it
will cause
more of the same
Which is why you can expect another 500 lb bomb to be dropped
on
the home of some Hamas terrorist tomorrow as well.
The fact is Hamas and the other terrorist organizations hide
among civilians.
Gee, where's the Palestinian army base - I'm sure they'd
join up.
They have been known to deliberately set up
mortars in schoolyards and next to hospitals hoping for
"collateral damage". Since the Palestinian government, such as
it
is, makes no effort to stop terrorists, makes no effort to
arrest
or punish them, that leaves the Israelis the job. And since the
only alternative to using bombs and rockets is to send an armed
incursion into Palestinian terroritory, possibly costing far
more
lives on both sides, the bombs are the best, most "surgical"
choice for killing terrorist leaders.
Israel doesn't stop its own terrorists. Blah, blah, blah.
We've heard your excuses forever in the mainstream press.
As for who started what, the terrorist bombings predate this
"targeted killing", so I think I'll blame Yasser Arafat and his
terrorist friends.
The "terrorist" killings go all the way back to Begin's
days in the Irgun. Blame him and his terrorist friends.
Why don't we blame the fucking idiots on the Arab side who could
have
had a
Palestinian State in 1948 but got greedy
and got their sorry asses kicked and got nothing.
Why don't you read a book about the intentions of the Zionist
Jews.
They
have stated that they would remove the partion as soon as they
could.
So really, what you are saying is the Palestinians could have had
a
Palestinian state until the Zionists could set up an army and took
over
the whole of Palestine.
No, because there was no such intention. Had they wanted to overrun
"Palestine"
they could have done it in 1948. The 5 invading armies were
defeated,
remember?
'...and in October 1938, he (David ben Gurion) wrote to his children
that
:
"I don't regard a state in part of Palestine as the final aim of
Zionism, but as a mean toward that aim." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
and in September 1937, he stated to a group of American Jewish
labour
leaders in New York:
"the borders [of the Jewish state] will not be fixed for eternity."
(Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)
similarly, he also stated to his son Amos in October 1937 that a
"Jewish
state" in part of Palestine was:
"not the end, but only the beginning." Its establishment would give
a
"powerful boost to our historic efforts to redeem the country in its
entirety." For the "Jewish state" would have "outstanding army-- I
have
no doubt that our army will be among the world's outstanding--and so
I
am certain that we won't be constrained from settling in the rest of
the
country, either by mutual agreement and understanding with our Arab
neighbors, or by some other way. . . . . I still believe . . . .
that
after we become numerous and strong, the Arabs will understand that
it
is best for them to strike an alliance with us, and to benefit from
our
help, providing they allow us by their good will to settle in all
parts
of Palestine." (Shabtai Teveth, p. 188)...'
Remember how he stated to the world how Isreal would accept the
Partition
of Palestine? That was in 1948
Yes, they would accept it as a first step. That's what he said all
along.
But he didn't say it was a first step. He said it as an acceptance of
the
partition of Palestine. Further, if, as you say, the sole aim was to
keep Palestine, why then, did they go along with the Oslo accord and
offer to give most of it back in exchange for peace?
Some of them did. Obviously, some of them had other ideas. And I don't
think they offered most of it back. They didn't even offer most of the
original Palestinian partition back.
No, they offered as much back as the U.N required of them, which was to
a
defensible border. The actual offer was well over
90% of the pre 1967 territory as far as the original Palestine, well
which
part did you think they should offer? Jordan?
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be fair.
They were only required to retreat to defensible borders. When are
the Palestinians going to declare their borders? Will they include
Jordan?
Don Wagner
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
Remember how he stated to the world how Isreal would accept the
Partition
of Palestine? That was in 1948
Yes, they would accept it as a first step. That's what he said all
along.
But he didn't say it was a first step. He said it as an acceptance of
the
partition of Palestine. Further, if, as you say, the sole aim was to
keep Palestine, why then, did they go along with the Oslo accord and
offer to give most of it back in exchange for peace?
Some of them did. Obviously, some of them had other ideas. And I don't
think they offered most of it back. They didn't even offer most of the
original Palestinian partition back.
No, they offered as much back as the U.N required of them, which was to
a
defensible border. The actual offer was well over
90% of the pre 1967 territory as far as the original Palestine, well
which
part did you think they should offer? Jordan?
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they
were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be fair.
I see. So you agree with the Arabs who wish to "drive the Jews into the sea"
Why not just come out and say it.. What would you have done in the U.N.'s
place? Let's hear your solution.
Don Wagner
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10 Sep 2003 11:45:47 AM |
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On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:05 GMT, Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be fair.
Jordan already had the 'really big' half; why no complaint about that?
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10 Sep 2003 12:18:59 PM |
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E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:05 GMT, Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be fair.
Jordan already had the 'really big' half; why no complaint about that?
Were the Palestinians who became Jordanians displaced?
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10 Sep 2003 10:10:38 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:05 GMT, Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they
were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be
fair.
Jordan already had the 'really big' half; why no complaint about that?
Were the Palestinians who became Jordanians displaced?
Were the Palestinians who were living on the West Bank when
Jordan occupied it before 1967 The same ones who live there now?
I notice your version of History only starts in 1967
Don Wagner
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12 Sep 2003 08:53:25 PM |
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:05 GMT, Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they
were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be
fair.
Jordan already had the 'really big' half; why no complaint about that?
Were the Palestinians who became Jordanians displaced?
Were the Palestinians who were living on the West Bank when
Jordan occupied it before 1967 The same ones who live there now?
I notice your version of History only starts in 1967
The current influx from Egypt began in 1973±
The greater bulk of the arab population on the WBank
and Gaza is Egyptian.
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11 Sep 2003 01:30:30 AM |
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
E. Barry Bruyea wrote:
On Wed, 10 Sep 2003 16:35:05 GMT, Tim <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote:
No, as I said, the original part of Palestine that is now part of
Israel. I assume it is since Israel has never declared it's borders.
Funny how that is. I wonder why they never declare their borders as
being the borders of the original parition. I wonder if they were
planning expansion even then?
Why would they declare their borders? . They accepted them when they
were
handed down by the U.N. Why would they offer their own country?
The same reason you think the Palestinians should have offered them half
of their country. It's what the UN, in her wisdom, decided would be
fair.
Jordan already had the 'really big' half; why no complaint about that?
Were the Palestinians who became Jordanians displaced?
Were the Palestinians who were living on the West Bank when
Jordan occupied it before 1967 The same ones who live there now?
I notice your version of History only starts in 1967
Many of them were. Some have deeds going back to the
British Occupation.
--Jeff
--
"The fetters imposed on liberty at home have
ever been forged out of the weapons provided
for defence against real, pretended, or
imaginary dangers from abroad."
James Madison
"an enormous Proportion of Property vested in
a few Individuals is dangerous to the Rights,
and destructive of the Common Happiness, of
Mankind; and therefore every free State hath
a Right by its Laws to discourage the Possession
of such Property."
Ben Franklin
"To delight in war is a merit in the soldier,
a dangerous quality in the captain, and a
positive crime in the statesman."
George Santayana
"Bring 'em on."
George W. Bush
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
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10 Sep 2003 01:30:06 AM |
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"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
So if they'd just "get along" everything would be fine huh? Or was
the inquisition and the holocaust your ideas of "neighborliness"
Don Wagner
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10 Sep 2003 01:48:05 AM |
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"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
So if they'd just "get along" everything would be fine huh? Or was
the inquisition and the holocaust your ideas of "neighborliness"
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
Also, you are subterfugeing.
You have not denied the statement:
"Non-Jews are not regarded by Jews "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
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| User: "Tim" |
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10 Sep 2003 02:00:41 AM |
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
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"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Oxz7b.933893$3C2.21293530@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
So if they'd just "get along" everything would be fine huh? Or was
the inquisition and the holocaust your ideas of "neighborliness"
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
What did the Jews do to deserve forced conversion during the inquisition?
Same thing the others did.
What was so "un-neighbourly as to incite the holocaust?
Same thing as the others killed in the holocaust.
Also, you are subterfugeing.
You have not denied the statement:
"Non-Jews are not regarded by Jews "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
No, I've ignored it because it's one more ***** statement put forward by
people who regret that Hitler didn't finish the job
Don Wagner
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10 Sep 2003 07:22:26 AM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
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"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Oxz7b.933893$3C2.21293530@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
So if they'd just "get along" everything would be fine huh? Or was
the inquisition and the holocaust your ideas of "neighborliness"
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
What did the Jews do to deserve forced conversion during the
inquisition?
Same thing the others did.
Right. Nothing.
What was so "un-neighbourly as to incite the holocaust?
Same thing as the others killed in the holocaust.
Right. Nothing.
Don Wagner
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10 Sep 2003 09:50:54 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Don Wagner wrote:
"Mark K" <self@server.net> wrote in message
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"Don Wagner" <donw102@shaw.ca> wrote in message
news:Oxz7b.933893$3C2.21293530@news3.calgary.shaw.ca...
Tell the Israelis that. All I ever hear is whining about their sad
history, like no other people have ever suffered.
The root cause of Jewish suffering over the ages is that,
in Judaism, non-Jews are not regarded as "neighbors"
or as "fellow men".
So if they'd just "get along" everything would be fine huh? Or was
the inquisition and the holocaust your ideas of "neighborliness"
Which came first, the chicken or the egg?
What did the Jews do to deserve forced conversion during the
inquisition?
Same thing the others did.
Right. Nothing.
So why do you make it sound like their plight was any different from
others?
So you deny that Jews have been the object of more harrasment, persecution,
and hate than virtually any other group in recorded history?
What was so "un-neighbourly as to incite the holocaust?
Same thing as the others killed in the holocaust.
Right. Nothing.
So why do you make it sound like their plight was any different from
others?
So which other group lost 6 million of it's members through mass murder?
Their plight IS different from the others in a large part because people
like you point out every sin, real or imagined, that Jews may have
committed while wilfully ignoring the excesses of others.
Don Wagner
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"Jeffrey Turner" <jturner@localnet.com> wrote in message
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The "terrorist" killings go all the way back to Begin's
days in the Irgun. Blame him and his terrorist friends.
But that is Holy Terrorism - and is therefore quite Kosher
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09 Sep 2003 05:34:05 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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observer wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
Killing terrorists good.
Then you should like today's bombing. It was near an IDF army base.
Hopefully, only IDF war criminals were killed.
Also near a hospital. But hey -- they deserve it, right Tim? I mean,
they
were standing at a bus stop. How e4vil can you get?
It's outrageous if the Israelis accidentally kill civilians while
targetting
terrorists,
Yeah, accidentally shoot at children and reporters.
but never when suicide bombers randomly target people at a bus
stop or market.
The bus stop was probably targeting soldiers since it was near an army
base.
Did they have a specific target in mind, Tim? Who was it? And does it matter
that the bus stop was also near a hospital? Apparently, not to you.
Cheers,
Jennifer
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10 Sep 2003 12:02:43 AM |
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"Terry Pearson" <rtpt_2000@shaw.ca> wrote in message
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Of course the Hamas is known for their compaaasion
regarding human rights. Is that what you would have us believe?
Yes, but not as compassionate as the rabbis. (See below.)
"Saving of Life
THIS SUBJECT - the supreme value of human life and the obligation of every
human being to do the outmost to save the life of a fellow human - is of
obvious importance in itself. It is also of particular interest in a Jewish
context, in view of the fact that since the Second World War Jewish opinion
has - in some cases justly, in others unjustly - condemned 'the whole
world'
or at least all Europe for standing by when Jews were being massacred.
Let us therefore examine what the Halakhah [Jewish Religious Law] has to
say on this subject.
According to the Halakhah, the duty to save the life of a fellow Jew is
paramount.14 It supersedes all other religious obligations and
interdictions, excepting only the prohibitions against the three most
heinous sins of adultery (including incest), murder and idolatry.
As for Gentiles, the basic talmudic principle is that their lives must
not be saved, although it is also forbidden to murder them outright. 15
The Talmud itself expresses this in the maxim 'Gentiles are neither to be
lifted [out of a well] nor hauled down [into it]'.
Maimonides16 explains:
"As for Gentiles with whom we are not at war ... their death must not be
caused, but it is forbidden to save them if they are at the point of death;
if, for example, one of them is seen falling into the sea, he should not be
rescued, for it is written: 'neither shalt thou stand against the blood of
thy fellow'17 - but [a Gentile] is not thy fellow.""
-- CHAPTER 5 The Laws Against Non-Jews From: "Jewish History, Jewish
Religion: The Weight of Three Thousand Years" by Professor Israel Shahak
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09 Sep 2003 07:15:13 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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observer wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
Killing terrorists good.
Then you should like today's bombing. It was near an IDF army base.
Hopefully, only IDF war criminals were killed.
Also near a hospital. But hey -- they deserve it, right Tim? I mean,
they
were standing at a bus stop. How e4vil can you get?
It's outrageous if the Israelis accidentally kill civilians while
targetting
terrorists,
Yeah, accidentally shoot at children and reporters.
but never when suicide bombers randomly target people at a bus
stop or market.
The bus stop was probably targeting soldiers since it was near an army
base.
Did they have a specific target in mind, Tim? Who was it? And does it
matter
that the bus stop was also near a hospital? Apparently, not to you.
Well, according to one source, he got 8 soldiers. I'm assuming in this
case soldiers were the target.
<snip>
Hey Tim, this is your lucky day. Another terrorist bomber "... killed six
people and left bodies strewn about an outdoor terrace of a cafe in West
Jerusalem." Who do you think they were targeting this time? Obviously not
*civilians*, right Tim?
See http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/09/09/mideast.blast/index.html
Cheers,
Jennifer
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09 Sep 2003 08:31:18 PM |
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"Jennifer Wainwright" <JenniferWainwright@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Hey Tim, this is your lucky day. Another terrorist bomber "... killed six
people and left bodies strewn about an outdoor terrace of a cafe in West
Jerusalem." Who do you think they were targeting this time? Obviously not
*civilians*, right Tim?
While the poor innocent-victim Israelis
keep on robbing the Palestinians of their land.
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09 Sep 2003 08:25:22 PM |
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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observer wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
Killing terrorists good.
Then you should like today's bombing. It was near an IDF army base.
Hopefully, only IDF war criminals were killed.
Also near a hospital. But hey -- they deserve it, right Tim? I mean,
they
were standing at a bus stop. How e4vil can you get?
It's outrageous if the Israelis accidentally kill civilians while
targetting
terrorists,
Yeah, accidentally shoot at children and reporters.
but never when suicide bombers randomly target people at a bus
stop or market.
The bus stop was probably targeting soldiers since it was near an army
base.
Did they have a specific target in mind, Tim? Who was it? And does it
matter
that the bus stop was also near a hospital? Apparently, not to you.
Well, according to one source, he got 8 soldiers. I'm assuming in this
case soldiers were the target.
<snip>
Hey Tim, this is your lucky day. Another terrorist bomber "... killed
six
people and left bodies strewn about an outdoor terrace of a cafe in West
Jerusalem." Who do you think they were targeting this time? Obviously
not
*civilians*, right Tim?
I think they were retaliating for the war crimes of the IDF against
Palestinian civilians. The problem is, since they aren't reported
regularly, most people in N.A. aren't aware of them.
I see a trend here Tim. *Every* atrocity committed by the Palestinians is
justified by an Israeli outrage, but *no* action of the Israelis is
justified by a Palestinian outrage. Does that about sum up your position?
I've said many times before, before Paul started reading these groups,
that I think the problem is that there are right wing Israelis who
wanted to recreate Greater Israel and, in doing so, remove the
Palestinians. They still exist in great numbers, some in the Israeli
parliament, some in the settlements. I've also said that there will have
to be an accommodation of sorts in the long run. I've stated that
innocents children on both sides are dying and that blood is on the
hands of all of the leaders of both sides who perpetuate this cycle.
That goes for Sharon as well as the Palestinians.
It's really hard to determine what came first in these instances,
meaning what is the retaliation and what is the cause.
That being said, in the N.A. media, there is a lack of balanced
reporting on these issues and that is why I'm pointing out what I feel
the other perspective is.
For instance, while the "road map" was being somewhat followed, the
Israeli government was paying Israelis to move into the West Bank. It
was not doing it's part in stopping the illegal outposts either. This is
rarely mentioned by the N.A. media. It went against the "road map" but
instead of reporting it, they only reported the "high profile" events.
These illegal settlements are a great issue with the Palestinians and
could account for much of the anger and desire for revenge. There is
also the case of confiscation of land or the destruction of Palestinian
trees, which are a major source of income for some families. Why is this
not reported more? It might go a long way in putting things in
perspective for people.
Cheers,
Jennifer
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09 Sep 2003 07:02:22 PM |
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"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Jennifer Wainwright wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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observer wrote:
"Tim" <nocomment@rogers.com> wrote in message
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Terry Pearson wrote:
Jews bad terrorists good. Right?
No, war crimes bad.
Killing terrorists good.
Then you should like today's bombing. It was near an IDF army base.
Hopefully, only IDF war criminals were killed.
Also near a hospital. But hey -- they deserve it, right Tim? I mean,
they
were standing at a bus stop. How e4vil can you get?
It's outrageous if the Israelis accidentally kill civilians whil | | |
