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"Black Elk" |
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30 Apr 2005 07:56:08 AM |
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Which side are the neo-fascists on? |
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
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"Those in power are blind devotees to private enterprise. They accept that
degree of socialism implicit in the vast subsidies to the
military-industrial-complex, but not that type of socialism which maintains
public projects for the disemployed and the unemployed alike."
William O. Douglas, former U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1969
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Fascism Anyone?
By Laurence W. Britt
Saturday, October 09, 2004
Excerpted from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 23, Number 2.
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link
them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These
basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in
others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent
displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to
show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of
citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride
in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this
nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that
often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed
human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives
of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was
brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even
demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was
to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
-snip-
http://epaclu.org/library/fascism.asp
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| User: "Chief" |
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30 Apr 2005 11:03:42 AM |
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"Black Elk" <windriver2000@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:1114865869.8147402929530f0dfcd75d9fa19303d4@teranews:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the
duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
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"Those in power are blind devotees to private enterprise. They accept
that degree of socialism implicit in the vast subsidies to the
military-industrial-complex, but not that type of socialism which
maintains public projects for the disemployed and the unemployed
alike."
William O. Douglas, former U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1969
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Fascism Anyone?
By Laurence W. Britt
Saturday, October 09, 2004
Excerpted from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 23, Number 2.
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that
link them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of
power. These basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in
some regimes than in others, but they all share at least some level of
similarity.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the
prominent displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins,
the fervor to show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the
regime itself and of citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always
obvious. Catchy slogans, pride in the military, and demands for unity
were common themes in expressing this nationalism. It was usually
coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that often bordered on
xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves
viewed human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing
the objectives of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda,
the population was brought to accept these human rights abuses by
marginalizing, even demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was
egregious, the tactic was to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
-snip-
http://epaclu.org/library/fascism.asp
Easy to answer given the make up of the republican party. They are on the
side that pays the most.
The republican party isn't a party so much as a school of parrahna. The
frenzy is dying down and they are starting to look at each other as a
tasty snack.
Wealthy Helmsley types, greedy corporate globalists, unChristian nazis,
racists, bigots, the occasional old school conservative and the
monumentally ignorant rednecks. On any given day each of these groups are
going in different directions but the march is always to the same tune -
a goose stepping polka by Bush and his quartet of greedy evil bastards.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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30 Apr 2005 07:59:54 AM |
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Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
Got an opponent? Call him a Fascist. Or better yet, Nazi. That's all you
need to do these days to make a point.
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"Those in power are blind devotees to private enterprise. They accept that
degree of socialism implicit in the vast subsidies to the
military-industrial-complex, but not that type of socialism which maintains
public projects for the disemployed and the unemployed alike."
William O. Douglas, former U.S. Supreme Court Justice, 1969
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Fascism Anyone?
By Laurence W. Britt
Saturday, October 09, 2004
Excerpted from Free Inquiry magazine, Volume 23, Number 2.
Analysis of these seven regimes reveals fourteen common threads that link
them in recognizable patterns of national behavior and abuse of power. These
basic characteristics are more prevalent and intense in some regimes than in
others, but they all share at least some level of similarity.
1. Powerful and continuing expressions of nationalism. From the prominent
displays of flags and bunting to the ubiquitous lapel pins, the fervor to
show patriotic nationalism, both on the part of the regime itself and of
citizens caught up in its frenzy, was always obvious. Catchy slogans, pride
in the military, and demands for unity were common themes in expressing this
nationalism. It was usually coupled with a suspicion of things foreign that
often bordered on xenophobia.
2. Disdain for the importance of human rights. The regimes themselves viewed
human rights as of little value and a hindrance to realizing the objectives
of the ruling elite. Through clever use of propaganda, the population was
brought to accept these human rights abuses by marginalizing, even
demonizing, those being targeted. When abuse was egregious, the tactic was
to use secrecy, denial, and disinformation.
-snip-
http://epaclu.org/library/fascism.asp
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:16:03 AM |
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"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the
duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
Why should I hate Bush? He's the symptom, NOT the disease.
Got an opponent? Call him a Fascist. Or better yet, Nazi. That's all you
need to do these days to make a point.
Apparently you are unable to read. You neo-fascists fit the definition and
MO of yesterday's fascists. You're completely ignorant of your party's
complicity in the rise and fall of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party.
On top of this you're too deceitful to acknowledge the truth let alone deal
with it.
Nazis in the CIA closet: The Origins of Fascism in the United States
By Christian Dewar
http://archive.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=9099
--
"Hitler's concept of concentration camps as well as the practicality of
genocide owed much, so he claimed, to his studies of English and United
States history. He admired the camps for Boer prisoners in South Africa and
for the Indians in the wild west; and often praised to his inner circle the
efficiency of America's extermination - by starvation and uneven combat - of
the red savages who could not be tamed by captivity." P. 202, "Adolph
Hitler" by John Toland
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:18:24 AM |
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Black Elk wrote:
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the
duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
Why should I hate Bush? He's the symptom, NOT the disease.
So. Why do you hate Bush?
Got an opponent? Call him a Fascist. Or better yet, Nazi. That's all you
need to do these days to make a point.
Apparently you are unable to read. You neo-fascists fit the definition and
MO of yesterday's fascists. You're completely ignorant of your party's
complicity in the rise and fall of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi party.
Sure. This from a defender of Iraq's "freedom fighters."
On top of this you're too deceitful to acknowledge the truth let alone deal
with it.
Nazis in the CIA closet: The Origins of Fascism in the United States
By Christian Dewar
http://archive.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=9099
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:27:13 AM |
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"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:AALce.1077$db7.835@trnddc01...
Black Elk wrote:
"Christian Williamson" <c.willi@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the
duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
Why should I hate Bush? He's the symptom, NOT the disease.
So. Why do you hate Bush?
I don't, that's your premise and delusion.
If Bush would of had to run for political office on his own intelligence and
economic resources he would still be in TX scamming the public out of their
resources. He's a product of the rightwing neo-fascist political machine.
Got an opponent? Call him a Fascist. Or better yet, Nazi. That's all you
need to do these days to make a point.
Apparently you are unable to read. You neo-fascists fit the definition
and MO of yesterday's fascists. You're completely ignorant of your
party's complicity in the rise and fall of Adolf Hitler and the Nazi
party.
Sure. This from a defender of Iraq's "freedom fighters."
Iraq's insurgency is a child of the rightwing. They have suckled this child
by their deceitful invasion of Iraq, their coveting of Iraqi oil and the
bungling, heavy handed occupation.
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Many Americans may not be aware of this wide spread recruitment of SS and
Gestapo alumni into our intelligence agencies but it has had a profound
effect on the shaping of our domestic and foreign policy, often with ruinous
consequences. The legacy of this incorporation of Nazis into the CIA and
U.S. military has been a half a century of support for fascist regimes,
juntas, death squads, torture and the overthrow of democratically elected
governments around the world.
http://archive.democrats.com/view2.cfm?id=9099
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| User: "Dwain" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:16:43 AM |
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In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:27:31 AM |
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Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:37:33 AM |
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"Christian Williamson" <> wrote in message
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Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the
duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and
humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none other
than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
Bush and you neo-fascists love outsourcing U.S. jobs to the Peoples Republic
of China yet when it comes to quoting communists that's a no-no.
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
You're so impotent to offer an effectual rebut you're forced into sissy
slapping. Go to your bunker Chrissy and wait for the Red Army.
--
The results of the world's four largest oil companies illustrate just how
well the industry has fared lately. Since the end of 2003, Royal Dutch/Shell
Group of Cos., BP Group PLC, Exxon Mobil Corp. and ChevronTexaco Corp. have
earned a combined $97 billion, including $23.8 billion during the first
three months of this year (2005).
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory?id=715999
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| User: "Dwain" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:36:51 AM |
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In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
I note you don't refure the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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30 Apr 2005 08:54:02 AM |
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Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know
he's quoted Communists. Sad, very sad.
I note you don't refure the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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| User: "Winston Smith, American Patriot" |
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30 Apr 2005 09:08:24 AM |
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Christian Williamson <> wrote in
news:_5Mce.1085$db7.544@trnddc01:
Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>,
says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the
national obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual
citizens] have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes
against peace and humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein
by virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain
powerful financial interests and a military machine, the entire
nation is under the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality
and freedom are suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which
happens to be none other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S.
Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world
and appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries
and peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world
that Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know
he's quoted Communists. Sad, very sad.
So you're showing up to the ngs for your daily *****-kicking, huh?
Doesn't that backside of yours ever get sore?
Or has Gannon/Guckert somehow conditioned you?
I note you don't refure the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair
have more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself
illiberal and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
--
http://hume.realisticpolitics.com/
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| User: "Dwain" |
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30 Apr 2005 09:06:40 AM |
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In article <_5Mce.1085$db7.544@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know
he's quoted Communists.
Not so. I know who I quote. And I also quoted your heros, Hitler and
Mussolini.
Sad, very sad.
Indeed, you cannot refute or rebut a single definition. So I guess they
stand, which was the original point: Bush and company are the closest
thing to fascism the United States has ever experienced.
I note you don't refute the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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| User: "Christian Williamson" |
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30 Apr 2005 09:11:39 AM |
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Dwain wrote:
In article <_5Mce.1085$db7.544@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know
he's quoted Communists.
Not so. I know who I quote. And I also quoted your heros, Hitler and
Mussolini.
How old are you, kid? I'll let in on a widely known fact: Lenin was a
Communist. And Ernest Hemingway fought for the Communists.
Sad, very sad.
Indeed, you cannot refute or rebut a single definition. So I guess they
stand, which was the original point: Bush and company are the closest
thing to fascism the United States has ever experienced.
I note you don't refute the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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30 Apr 2005 09:15:21 AM |
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Bush buttsucker.
"Christian Williamson" <> wrote in message
news:vmMce.1093$db7.194@trnddc01...
Dwain wrote:
In article <_5Mce.1085$db7.544@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have
the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace
and humanity from occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein
by virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain
powerful financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation
is under the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and
freedom are suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens
to be none other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world
and appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries
and peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world
that Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know he's
quoted Communists.
Not so. I know who I quote. And I also quoted your heros, Hitler and
Mussolini.
How old are you, kid? I'll let in on a widely known fact: Lenin was a
Communist. And Ernest Hemingway fought for the Communists.
Sad, very sad.
Indeed, you cannot refute or rebut a single definition. So I guess they
stand, which was the original point: Bush and company are the closest
thing to fascism the United States has ever experienced.
I note you don't refute the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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| User: "Dwain" |
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| Title: Re: Which side are the neo-fascists on? |
30 Apr 2005 10:12:13 AM |
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In article <vmMce.1093$db7.194@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <_5Mce.1085$db7.544@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <7JLce.1081$db7.43@trnddc01>, says...
Dwain wrote:
In article <ejLce.1074$db7.249@trnddc01>, says...
Black Elk wrote:
"Individuals have international duties which transcend the national
obligations of obedience ... Therefore [individual citizens] have the duty
to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from
occurring."
Nuremberg War Crimes Tribunal, 1950
Again, Fascism means anything to you Bush-haters these days.
No, fascism means this...
"Fascism is a political, social and economic form of society wherein by
virtue of a merger which has been accomplished between certain powerful
financial interests and a military machine, the entire nation is under
the dictatorship of this oligarchy. Individuality and freedom are
suppressed 'in the interests of the state' which happens to be none
other than the dictating oligarchy." - U.S. Army
"It would be easy for us, if we do not learn to understand the world and
appreciate the rights, privileges and duties of other countries and
peoples, to represent in our power the same danger to the world that
Fascism did." - Ernest Hemingway
"The fascists cannot argue, so they kill." - Victor Margueritte
"Fascism is a lie told by bullies." - Ernest Hemingway
"Fascism is capitalism in decay." - V.I. Lenin
"Fascism is capitalism plus murder." - Upton Sinclair
Sounds like Bush to me!
Sound familiar?
Excellent. I love you leftists quoting Communists.
The U.S. Army is communist?
Once again we have an intellectual lightweight who doesn't even know
he's quoted Communists.
Not so. I know who I quote. And I also quoted your heros, Hitler and
Mussolini.
How old are you, kid?
Old enough to know the definition of fascism.
I'll let in on a widely known fact: Lenin was a
Communist.
Wow! Really?
And Ernest Hemingway fought for the Communists.
Of course you think the Abraham Lincoln Brigade was communist.
Still, why can't you refute these definitions of fascism? What is your
hang up with Lenin?
Sad, very sad.
Indeed, you cannot refute or rebut a single definition. So I guess they
stand, which was the original point: Bush and company are the closest
thing to fascism the United States has ever experienced.
I note you don't refute the definitions, just attack the authors.
Somehow, I think the U.S. Army, Ernest Hemingway and Upton Sinclair have
more veracity than you.
So what's YOUR definition of fascisim?
"Fascism now throws the noxious theories of so-called Liberalism upon
the rubbish heap. Fascism...does not hesitate to call itself illiberal
and anti-liberal." - Benito Mussolini
"We stand for the maintenance of private property...We shall protect
free enterprise as the most expedient, or rather the sole possible
economic order." - Adolf Hitler
Why is it that the Left in this group is so intellectually bereft?
Hey, I defined fascism for you. You haven't done diddlysquat.
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