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"Black Elk" |
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27 Mar 2007 08:05:21 PM |
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Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
Ole Joe Stalin I believe.
The author asserts that his government should take responsibility for its
lies. As an American I must demand the same from mine.
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Comment
A monstrous war crime
With more than 650,000 civilians dead in Iraq, our government must take
responsibility for its lies
Richard Horton
Wednesday March 28, 2007
Guardian
Our collective failure has been to take our political leaders at their word.
This week the BBC reported that the government's own scientists advised
ministers that the Johns Hopkins study on Iraq civilian mortality was
accurate and reliable, following a freedom of information request by the
reporter Owen Bennett-Jones. This paper was published in the Lancet last
October. It estimated that 650,000 Iraqi civilians had died since the
American and British led invasion in March 2003.
Immediately after publication, the prime minister's official spokesman said
that the Lancet's study "was not one we believe to be anywhere near
accurate". The foreign secretary, Margaret Beckett, said that the Lancet
figures were "extrapolated" and a "leap". President Bush said: "I don't
consider it a credible report".
Scientists at the UK's Department for International Development thought
differently. They concluded that the study's methods were "tried and
tested". Indeed, the Johns Hopkins approach would likely lead to an
"underestimation of mortality".
The Ministry of Defence's chief scientific adviser said the research was
"robust", close to "best practice", and "balanced". He recommended "caution
in publicly criticising the study".
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The prime minister's adviser finally gave in. He wrote: "The survey
methodology used here cannot be rubbished, it is a tried and tested way of
measuring mortality in conflict zones".
-cont.-
http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329759786-103550,00.html
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Mindfulness is the path to immortality.
Negligence is the path to death.
The vigilant never die.
Whereas the negligent are the living dead.
The Dhammapada
Mindfulness 2:1
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
27 Mar 2007 10:12:28 PM |
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I guess the UN estimates are worthless, because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
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| User: "Black Elk" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
27 Mar 2007 11:30:23 PM |
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"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:w2lOh.5931$yo3.2693@trnddc04...
I guess the UN estimates are worthless, because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
I will trust John Hopkins and the Lancet.
Whatever the number- Bush, Cheney, et al, deserve their day in the dock at
the Hague.
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UN marks soaring Iraq death toll
The figures are significantly higher than other estimates
More than 34,000 civilians were killed in violence in Iraq during 2006, a UN
human rights official has said.
The envoy to Iraq, Gianni Magazzeni, said 34,452 civilians were killed and
more than 36,000 hurt during the year.
The figure is nearly three times higher than calculations previously made on
the basis of Iraqi interior ministry statistics for 2006.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6266393.stm
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/print/0,,329759786-103550,00.html
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| User: "Rich Travsky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
31 Mar 2007 11:22:45 PM |
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Black Elk wrote:
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:w2lOh.5931$yo3.2693@trnddc04...
I guess the UN estimates are worthless, because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
I will trust John Hopkins and the Lancet.
Rightards never offer research of their own.
Whatever the number- Bush, Cheney, et al, deserve their day in the dock at
the Hague.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
01 Apr 2007 10:13:32 AM |
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blackie sez:
"Rightards never offer research of their own..."
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Facts are facts. Only left-wing research alters facts.
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| User: "Rich Travsky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
03 Apr 2007 09:57:57 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
blackie sez:
"Rightards never offer research of their own..."
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Facts are facts. Only left-wing research alters facts.
And your facts to support that wild assed claim?
(silence)
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
03 Apr 2007 11:25:11 PM |
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(sound of crickets chirping, coyote howling in distance)
What good are facts when one's mind is closed to external influences?
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| User: "Rich Travsky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
07 Apr 2007 09:24:59 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
(sound of crickets chirping, coyote howling in distance)
What good are facts when one's mind is closed to external influences?
That sums up rightards all right.
From earlier in this thread
Black Elk wrote:
"Docky Wocky" <mrchuck@lst.net> wrote in message
news:w2lOh.5931$yo3.2693@trnddc04...
I guess the UN estimates are worthless, because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
I will trust John Hopkins and the Lancet.
Rightards never offer research of their own.
As I said then, rightards never offer research of their own.
Feel free to provide you own cites
(sound of crickets chirping, coyote howling in distance)
RT
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "Suck-on-my-Wuck" is a moron? |
04 Apr 2007 09:26:14 AM |
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 04:25:11 GMT, "Docky Wocky"
<mrchuck@lst.net> wrote:
(sound of crickets chirping, coyote howling in distance)
......Waiting for the stockpiles of WMD that your lying
sack of ***** were there as a theat to us.........
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| User: "GW Chimpzillas Eye-Rack Neocon Utopia" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
27 Mar 2007 10:53:54 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
I guess the UN estimates are worthless,
they are. Their methodology is solely what AWOL Bush's killers said about how
many died.
That's a shitty methodology, dontcha think?
because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
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There are only two kinds of Republicans: Millionaires and fools.
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| User: "Docky Wocky" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
28 Mar 2007 12:12:48 AM |
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Gee. Blackie, Chumpie, and Marinus can't even agree on a nice round figure
and they are all statisticians, so they just make some numbers up.
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| User: "Marinus van der Lubbe" |
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| Title: Re: Who said, "One murder is a tragedy, a million is a statistic"? |
27 Mar 2007 11:31:35 PM |
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Docky Wocky wrote:
I guess the UN estimates are worthless, because they only lean toward about
a tenth of the Guardian's.
Now if we could only get them to fight about their figures.
It's odd that the premise of your statement is that UN is not apart of
the occupation of Iraq, that the UN is not working for us.
As for the UN, their observers pulled out of Iraq when we told them to
leave or die. Those UN observers never returned. So any UN estimate is
nothing but a figure the Americans have told them to say.
http://www.mail-archive.com/is-lam@milis.isnet.org/msg02566.html
Using the latest Johns Hopkins data indicating 13.3 deaths annually
per 1,000 people and a Jordan/Syria baseline of 4 deaths per 1,000
gives an "annual excess death rate" of 9.3 per 1,000 and post-invasion
excess deaths totalling 947,000 (0.9 million) (as of January 2007).
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