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"The Prophet Bush" |
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22 Aug 2004 01:43:15 PM |
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Why is Bush Smearing Veterans? |
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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22 Aug 2004 02:52:41 PM |
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All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
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| User: "Submariner" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:02:37 PM |
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"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D9766682D7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16...
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
Not only can't they defend Dubya's record as (p)resident, but they throw up
anything they can find to blow smoke up the asses of the electorate to divert
attention from this God-awful presidency.
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| User: "Tempest" |
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22 Aug 2004 06:17:40 PM |
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Submariner wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D9766682D7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16...
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
Not only can't they defend Dubya's record as (p)resident, but they throw up
anything they can find to blow smoke up the asses of the electorate to divert
attention from this God-awful presidency.
The rightard mantra:
"Let's raise a flag and see who salutes it."
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Mitchell Holman" |
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23 Aug 2004 08:59:09 AM |
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Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in news:41292A9B.50702@hotmail.com:
Submariner wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" <ta2eeneNoEmail@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D9766682D7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16...
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
Not only can't they defend Dubya's record as (p)resident, but they
throw up anything they can find to blow smoke up the asses of the
electorate to divert attention from this God-awful presidency.
The rightard mantra:
"Let's raise a flag and see who salutes it."
Could this be then end of their "Blame Clinton First"
mantra?
Nah - not a chance..............
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| User: "The Prophet Bush" |
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23 Aug 2004 07:26:28 PM |
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In article <Xns954E5B76177E6ta2eenew@63.240.76.16>, says...
Tempest <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in news:41292A9B.50702@hotmail.com:
Submariner wrote:
"Mitchell Holman" < > wrote in message
news:Xns954D9766682D7ta2eenew@63.240.76.16...
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
Not only can't they defend Dubya's record as (p)resident, but they
throw up anything they can find to blow smoke up the asses of the
electorate to divert attention from this God-awful presidency.
The rightard mantra:
"Let's raise a flag and see who salutes it."
Could this be then end of their "Blame Clinton First"
mantra?
Nah - not a chance..............
That's why they fought so hard against an
independent 9/11 investigation - they knew
it was Clinton's fault . . .
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| User: "Bryan" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:26:36 PM |
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Mitchell Holman wrote:
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
I can remember many on the Left questioning Bush's motives with respect
to the war, his alcoholism, gaps in his service in the Nationa Guard,
WMD, invasion of Iraq, as they defend this as a right to question the
actions of the President, as being "American". Let a few others
question Kerry's actions, and somehow this is wrong.
Be sure that the President is behind these charges about Kerry's service
before you implicate the President. If Michael Moore can question the
President's motives, then others can question Kerry's motives too.
Try to put things in balance.
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| User: "Albert" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:48:23 PM |
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Now watch this Drive!
"Bryan" <Bryan@news.net> wrote in message
news:w49Wc.69674$TI1.14679@attbi_s52...
Mitchell Holman wrote:
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
I can remember many on the Left questioning Bush's motives with respect
to the war, his alcoholism, gaps in his service in the Nationa Guard,
WMD, invasion of Iraq, as they defend this as a right to question the
actions of the President, as being "American".
All proven correct..
Let a few others
question Kerry's actions, and somehow this is wrong.
When they are complete lies that are discredited by naval documents as well
as many veterans, then yes, there is a problem..
Be sure that the President is behind these charges about Kerry's service
before you implicate the President.
They have already linked him..
If Michael Moore can question the
President's motives, then others can question Kerry's motives too
un nun.. what was factually incorrect in MM's movie??
Try to put things in balance.
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| User: "InsuranceBroker" |
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22 Aug 2004 07:15:49 PM |
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Subject: Re: Why is Bush Smearing Veterans?
From: Bryan
Date: 8/22/2004 6:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time
Message-id: <w49Wc.69674$TI1.14679@attbi_s52>
Mitchell Holman wrote:
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
I can remember many on the Left questioning Bush's motives with respect
to the war, his alcoholism, gaps in his service in the Nationa Guard,
WMD, invasion of Iraq, as they defend this as a right to question the
actions of the President, as being "American". Let a few others
question Kerry's actions, and somehow this is wrong.
Be sure that the President is behind these charges about Kerry's service
before you implicate the President. If Michael Moore can question the
President's motives, then others can question Kerry's motives too.
Try to put things in balance.
Actually i could not agree more on questioning Kerry. I would like to see more
on his three wounds. I just feel and believe that the swift boat groups are
paid whores.
I have to admit that if I could have left in 4 months I would have done it
also. I would like to know if kerry was lucky or played the system. I do
respect that he had the guts to put his ***** in harms way. That I see as a no
brainer.
I think the president was a coward who clearly abused the system when he
refused to take a physical an no one did anything about it. That smacks of a
blanant rich kid who knows someone will destroy anyone that tells the rich kid
no.
Doing Insurance business in the Garden State
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| User: "George Washington. Hayduke" |
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22 Aug 2004 09:40:20 PM |
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Bryan <Bryan@news.net> wrote:
Mitchell Holman wrote:
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
I can remember many on the Left questioning Bush's motives with respect
to the war, his alcoholism, gaps in his service in the Nationa Guard,
WMD, invasion of Iraq, as they defend this as a right to question the
actions of the President, as being "American".
And his denials, evasions, and lies as being unamerican -- verging
on treason. Yes. We know.
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|George W. Bush is a deserter: http://www.glcq.com/bush_at_arpc1.htm
|Fascist War Criminal to stand trial: http://www.PeopleJudgeBush.org
|Hezbollah endorses George W. Bush: http://www.hezbollah.ws/
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| User: "Tempest" |
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22 Aug 2004 06:28:56 PM |
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Bryan wrote:
Mitchell Holman wrote:
All the Bushies can do is smear. Defending
their hero's record is beyond them. Well nigh
impossible, come to think of it..........
I can remember many on the Left questioning Bush's motives with respect
to the war, his alcoholism, gaps in his service in the Nationa Guard,
WMD, invasion of Iraq,
All of which were legitimate because they could be proven.
Bush is an admitted alcoholic who had a problem.
The gaps in his service are there, and as of yet unexplained.
What WMD?
The invasion of Iraq has been proven to be based on a lie.
as they defend this as a right to question the
actions of the President, as being "American".
Let a few others
question Kerry's actions, and somehow this is wrong.
They are not questioning Kerry's actions, they are LYING about Kerry's
actions.
There's a difference, rightard.
Be sure that the President is behind these charges about Kerry's service
before you implicate the President.
Let's see...
A flyer supporting the smear boat veterans is found in a GOP campaign
office.
One of Bush's closest campaign workers was not only in a smear boat ad,
but was supporting the smear boat veterans.
Karl Rove, and by default Bush's, hands are dirty.
If Michael Moore can question the
President's motives, then others can question Kerry's motives too.
Moore didn't lie.
The smear boat veterans did.
Try to put things in balance.
We have.
Bush is a lying *****.
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Submariner" |
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22 Aug 2004 04:53:36 PM |
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"The Prophet Bush" <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in message
news:MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net...
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
"Unfortunately, since the Repugs have seen fit to slaughter the sacred
cow, medals, ribbons and citations mean nothing anymore. Any G.I. on
active duty who distinguishes him/herself will need to understand that
their valor won't be rewarded with anything meaningful, since political
opponents can now simply deride these decorations as undeserved (by
shameless chickenhawks who never did squat for their country, themselves
no less).
"This is what happens when people cross the lines of decency just for
political expedience. Just when I think Repugs have hit bottom,
they manage to dig a little lower."
--Tazmanian Devil
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| User: "George W. Bush, Traitor" |
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22 Aug 2004 02:02:46 PM |
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The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in
news:MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net:
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High
&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
I am proud to say I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary.
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Take Back America
Vote Libertarian
Elect Mike Badnarik
http://www.badnarik.org/
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| User: "Bobby Q. Polk" |
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22 Aug 2004 04:19:41 PM |
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"George W. Bush, Traitor" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D992C5480BbiodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4...
The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in
news:MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net:
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High
&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
I am proud to say I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary.
Other than his support of president *****, McCain could be my president
any day.
--
Take Back America
Vote Libertarian
Elect Mike Badnarik
http://www.badnarik.org/
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| User: "Tempest" |
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22 Aug 2004 04:43:24 PM |
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Bobby Q. Polk wrote:
"George W. Bush, Traitor" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D992C5480BbiodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4...
The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in
news:MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net:
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High
&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
I am proud to say I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary.
Other than his support of president *****, McCain could be my president
any day.
Bush may be right, McCain might just be insane.
How else can you explain McCain supporting Bush after all the smears
Bush made against him in the 2000 primary race?
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Albert" |
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22 Aug 2004 05:45:31 PM |
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--
Now watch this Drive!
"Tempest" <tempest@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41291483.4070405@hotmail.com...
Bobby Q. Polk wrote:
"George W. Bush, Traitor" <bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns954D992C5480BbiodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4...
The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in
news:MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net:
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High
&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
I am proud to say I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary.
Other than his support of president *****, McCain could be my
president
any day.
Bush may be right, McCain might just be insane.
How else can you explain McCain supporting Bush after all the smears
Bush made against him in the 2000 primary race?
Sticking to the party line so that he is able to run for president in 2008..
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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22 Aug 2004 06:32:50 PM |
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Albert wrote:
Sticking to the party line so that he is able to run for president in
2008..
Any aspirations McCain may have had on the presidency has gone right
down the shitter.
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "The Prophet Bush" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:39:49 PM |
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In article <41292E29.3020606@hotmail.com>, says...
Albert wrote:
Sticking to the party line so that he is able to run for president in
2008..
Any aspirations McCain may have had on the presidency has gone right
down the shitter.
Not really, Republicans gotta be sick of trying to
defend a candidate like Bush who has no integrity.
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| User: "Tempest" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:58:39 PM |
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The Prophet Bush wrote:
In article <41292E29.3020606@hotmail.com>, says...
Albert wrote:
Sticking to the party line so that he is able to run for president in
2008..
Any aspirations McCain may have had on the presidency has gone right
down the shitter.
Not really, Republicans gotta be sick of trying to
defend a candidate like Bush who has no integrity.
In case you haven't noticed, Republicans are a minority in this country.
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"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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| User: "Riddick" |
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22 Aug 2004 06:38:37 PM |
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The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in message news:<MPG.1b9289254395e556989bab@netnews.comcast.net>...
Check out the video. Chickenhawk Bush smears not
only John Kerry's service:
http://www.johnkerry.com/video/player.php?media=WindowsMedia&speed=High&video=082104_old_tricks&action=save&x=65&y=11
He only smears those veterans who are his political opponents.
As for the rest of the veterans, he just f*cks them financially.
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| User: "Frenchurian Candidate John $$ BILLIONAIRE$$ Kerry I love Jockstrap" |
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22 Aug 2004 03:16:01 PM |
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We will never know !
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 6:28 p.m. EDT
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday for their
appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry for betraying his
fellow soldiers, calling the commercial "dishonest and dishonorable."
But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests when he was
released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.
In piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World Report,
the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and others before J.
William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations Committee was "the most
effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese captors] had to use against us."
"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a reference to
Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were committing war crimes
in Vietnam as a matter of course.
He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and again"
by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.
"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain told U.S.
News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under President
Johnson."
"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great coup for
their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had appeared with
Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C., anti-war protest that showcased
his testimony before the Fulbright Committee.
"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were
"bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in
Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use against
us."
McCain biographer Paul Alexander chronicled the Arizona Republican's anger
toward Kerry during their early careers in the Senate together.
"For many years McCain held Kerry's actions against him because, while
McCain was a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was organizing veterans back
home in the U.S. to protest the war."
In his 2002 book, "Man of the People: The Life of John McCain," Alexander
says that the two Vietnam vets finally reconciled in the early 1990s after
having "a long - and at times emotional - conversation about Vietnam" during
a mutual trip to Kuwait.
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| User: "George W. Bush, Traitor" |
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22 Aug 2004 03:25:22 PM |
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"Frenchurian Candidate John $$ BILLIONAIRE$$ Kerry" <I love
Jockstrap Chirac@France.gov> wrote in
news:RKKdnclY9d-YYrXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com:
We will never know !
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 6:28 p.m. EDT
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday for
their appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry for
betraying his fellow soldiers, calling the commercial "dishonest and
dishonorable."
But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests when
he was released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.
McCain does not actually complain about Kerry at all in the quotes you
provide. Doesn't mention Kerry once even. Not one single time.
In piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World
Report, the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and
others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations
Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese
captors] had to use against us."
"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a reference
to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were committing
war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course.
Um, no. It's a reference to Fulbright's committee's investigation of
which Kerry's testimony was a part.
He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and
again" by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.
Ted Kennedy was quoted. And since he and Kerry come from the same state,
this some how implicates Kerry? So because Ted Bundy and George W. Bush
both come from Texas, Bush is a serial murder?
"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain told
U.S. News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under
President Johnson."
Another person who is not John Kerry.
"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great
coup for their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had
appeared with Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C., anti-war
protest that showcased his testimony before the Fulbright Committee.
Another "guilt by association." Ronald Reagan once met with Ramsey Clark
too. Guess that makes Reagan a traitor too.
"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were
"bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in
Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use
against us."
Kerry was in a high place?
McCain biographer Paul Alexander chronicled the Arizona Republican's
anger toward Kerry during their early careers in the Senate together.
"For many years McCain held Kerry's actions against him because, while
McCain was a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was organizing veterans
back home in the U.S. to protest the war."
In his 2002 book, "Man of the People: The Life of John McCain,"
Alexander says that the two Vietnam vets finally reconciled in the
early 1990s after having "a long - and at times emotional -
conversation about Vietnam" during a mutual trip to Kuwait.
Seems like McCain came to terms with it. I think a lot of other people
need to also.
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Take Back America
Vote Libertarian
Elect Mike Badnarik
http://www.badnarik.org/
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| User: "The Prophet Bush" |
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22 Aug 2004 04:12:32 PM |
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In article <Xns954DA72CFEAC7biodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4>, says...
"Frenchurian Candidate John $$ BILLIONAIRE$$ Kerry" <I love
Jockstrap Chirac@France.gov> wrote in
news:RKKdnclY9d-YYrXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com:
We will never know !
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 6:28 p.m. EDT
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday for
their appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry for
betraying his fellow soldiers, calling the commercial "dishonest and
dishonorable."
But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests when
he was released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.
McCain does not actually complain about Kerry at all in the quotes you
provide. Doesn't mention Kerry once even. Not one single time.
In piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World
Report, the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and
others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations
Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese
captors] had to use against us."
"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a reference
to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were committing
war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course.
Um, no. It's a reference to Fulbright's committee's investigation of
which Kerry's testimony was a part.
He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and
again" by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.
Ted Kennedy was quoted. And since he and Kerry come from the same state,
this some how implicates Kerry? So because Ted Bundy and George W. Bush
both come from Texas, Bush is a serial murder?
"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain told
U.S. News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under
President Johnson."
Another person who is not John Kerry.
"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great
coup for their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had
appeared with Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C., anti-war
protest that showcased his testimony before the Fulbright Committee.
Another "guilt by association." Ronald Reagan once met with Ramsey Clark
too. Guess that makes Reagan a traitor too.
"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were
"bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back in
Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to use
against us."
Kerry was in a high place?
McCain biographer Paul Alexander chronicled the Arizona Republican's
anger toward Kerry during their early careers in the Senate together.
"For many years McCain held Kerry's actions against him because, while
McCain was a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was organizing veterans
back home in the U.S. to protest the war."
In his 2002 book, "Man of the People: The Life of John McCain,"
Alexander says that the two Vietnam vets finally reconciled in the
early 1990s after having "a long - and at times emotional -
conversation about Vietnam" during a mutual trip to Kuwait.
Seems like McCain came to terms with it. I think a lot of other people
need to also.
The real culprits are not the brave Americans who opposed
the war in Vietnam, but the political leaders who lacked
the wisdom to recognize that we were headed down a dead-end
road. If you don't like the fact that the enemy can quote
our protestors, then you really just don't like democracy
and free speech.
--
"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a
different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves
his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a
4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone
who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually
understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad
and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and
work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we
liberals want America to do the right thing. We know
America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want
it to do well. We also want it to do good."
Al Franken "Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them"
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The Prophet Bush <god_speaks_thru_me@rnc.org> wrote in
news:MPG.1b92ac1ae8ff0e0c989bac@netnews.comcast.net:
In article <Xns954DA72CFEAC7biodudeNOSPAMhotmail@130.133.1.4>,
bio_dudeNOSPAM@hotmail.com says...
"Frenchurian Candidate John $$ BILLIONAIRE$$ Kerry" <I love
Jockstrap Chirac@France.gov> wrote in
news:RKKdnclY9d-YYrXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com:
We will never know !
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 6:28 p.m. EDT
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday
for their appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry
for betraying his fellow soldiers, calling the commercial
"dishonest and dishonorable."
But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests
when he was released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.
McCain does not actually complain about Kerry at all in the quotes
you provide. Doesn't mention Kerry once even. Not one single time.
In piece he wrote for the May 14, 1973, issue of U.S. News & World
Report, the POW-turned-senator charged that testimony by Kerry and
others before J. William Fulbright's Senate Foreign Relations
Committee was "the most effective propaganda [my North Vietnamese
captors] had to use against us."
"They used Senator Fulbright a great deal," McCain wrote - a
reference to Kerry's 1971 Senate testimony that U.S. soldiers were
committing war crimes in Vietnam as a matter of course.
Um, no. It's a reference to Fulbright's committee's investigation of
which Kerry's testimony was a part.
He said Kerry political ally Sen. Ted Kennedy was "quoted again and
again" by his jailers at the Hanoi Hilton.
Ted Kennedy was quoted. And since he and Kerry come from the same
state, this some how implicates Kerry? So because Ted Bundy and
George W. Bush both come from Texas, Bush is a serial murder?
"Clark Clifford was another [North Vietnamese] favorite," McCain
told U.S. News, "right after he had been Secretary of Defense under
President Johnson."
Another person who is not John Kerry.
"When Ramsey Clark came over [my jailers] thought that was a great
coup for their cause," he recalled. Months earlier, Sen. Kerry had
appeared with Clark at the April 1971 Washington, D.C., anti-war
protest that showcased his testimony before the Fulbright
Committee.
Another "guilt by association." Ronald Reagan once met with Ramsey
Clark too. Guess that makes Reagan a traitor too.
"All through this period," McCain told U.S. News, his captors were
"bombarding us with anti-war quotes from people in high places back
in Washington. This was the most effective propaganda they had to
use against us."
Kerry was in a high place?
McCain biographer Paul Alexander chronicled the Arizona
Republican's anger toward Kerry during their early careers in the
Senate together.
"For many years McCain held Kerry's actions against him because,
while McCain was a POW in the Hanoi Hilton, Kerry was organizing
veterans back home in the U.S. to protest the war."
In his 2002 book, "Man of the People: The Life of John McCain,"
Alexander says that the two Vietnam vets finally reconciled in the
early 1990s after having "a long - and at times emotional -
conversation about Vietnam" during a mutual trip to Kuwait.
Seems like McCain came to terms with it. I think a lot of other
people need to also.
The real culprits are not the brave Americans who opposed
the war in Vietnam, but the political leaders who lacked
the wisdom to recognize that we were headed down a dead-end
road. If you don't like the fact that the enemy can quote
our protestors, then you really just don't like democracy
and free speech.
Well said.
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Take Back America
Vote Libertarian
Elect Mike Badnarik
http://www.badnarik.org/
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22 Aug 2004 04:56:41 PM |
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"Pedophillary" <I love teenage Jockstrap Billary@Jail.Fl> wrote in message
news:RKKdnclY9d-YYrXcRVn-rw@adelphia.com...
We will never know !
Who's smearing veterans? Republican pedophiles and draft-dodging cowards.
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| User: "George Leroy Tyrebiter, Jr." |
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22 Aug 2004 09:42:00 PM |
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On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 16:16:01 -0400, "Frenchurian Candidate John $$
BILLIONAIRE$$ Kerry" <I love Jockstrap Chirac@France.gov> wrote:
Thursday, Aug. 5, 2004 6:28 p.m. EDT
McCain: Hanoi Hilton Jailers Used Kerry Speech Against Us
Sen. John McCain attacked a group of Vietnam veterans on Thursday for their
appearance in a campaign ad condemning Sen. John Kerry for betraying his
fellow soldiers, calling the commercial "dishonest and dishonorable."
But McCain himself complained about Kerry-led anti-war protests when he was
released from the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" 31 years ago.
It took a lot of time to stop the Viet Nam war.
It took guts to say that we had lost the war. America did not want to
hear that it could lose a war. That's why LBJ kept going with the
stupid war. He was too COWARDLY to admit the truth.
But it was the truth. And it was important to tell the truth to get
the war stopped.
It made people angry. That's why it took guts for Kerry to say it. But
a TRUE PATRIOT will have the guts to tell the country the turth, to
stop the deaths.
It is not TRUE PATRIOTISM to lack the guts to tell an unpopular truth.
But some people are different from the rest of us. They are brave.
Kerry went to that boat every day and was a sitting duck, shot at
every day.
He has INCREDIBLE guts. Imagine the situation. EVERY MORNING HE WENT
INTO A BOAT WHICH WAS A SITTING DUCK>
And he was also brave at home. People HATED him for telling the truth.
Colonel David Hacworth was also courageous. He served YEARS in combat.
And he too, being brave, came out of Viet Nam and said "It's a bad
war. We can't win it."
Kerry and Hackworth put their lines on the live every day in Viet Nam.
Kerry and Hackworth had the guts to tell a very unpopular truth to the
country.
They are great American heros.
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