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Date: 30 Jul 2004 08:27:43 AM
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National Review Online
7-30-04
Michael Novak
Why the Dems Will Lose And why they’ll be disconsolate.
You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?
One of the political commentators I admire most for his astuteness
said yesterday that the paroxysm of hatred the Democrats have been
indulging for the last six months is the worst American political
delusion he has seen in his entire life.
What will it be like - if after all this hatred, all this effort, all
those millions upon millions of dollars spent to express disdain,
contempt, and hate - Bush wins again, flashes a victory symbol over
his head, grins, strides around shaking hands, glows with exuberance
and radiance?
For Democrats, losing is much worse than for Republicans. For
Democrats, the purpose of democracy is to milk government for ever
more abundant benefits. Republicans in principle believe in limited
government, and thus in a certain way they do even better out of power
than when they must exercise it. Democrats without power suffer much
more. Democrats go listless, purposeless.
In a minority, Democrats are fairly useless creatures. In victory,
they cultivate grand visions of benefits to be shaken from government
largesse; defeat, however, freezes the core of their being. Democratic
defeat defies the natural order. For them, history halts. What had
been an onward rushing tide swirls round and round, becoming still.
So loss at any time (as in 2000) is almost inadmissible by Democrats.
But a loss in 2004, particularly a solid loss, will be for them a
disaster beyond imagination. Such recriminations there will be. Some
will blame the "centrism" of the Kerry team, and the much-resented
repression of the Left. Some will come to see the isolation in which
the widespread paroxysms of hatred and contempt for George Bush
blindly thrust them. Some will see that the core ideologies of the
Left are faultily drawn - in economics, their attraction to a kind of
governmental centralization, and their antipathy to capitalism, the
market, corporations, and job creators. They claim to love employees
while hating their employers, a self-defeating cycle. In matters of
culture, others will see that the left-wing's sexual ethic and
religious sensibility are too far out of tune with the American
people. Nonetheless, one can predict that both in economics and in
culture, others will try to drive the party more leftward still.
In any case, it would be wise to get ready for the coming cataclysm.
In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:
1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. The nearly 30 years since then have
generated few boasts on his part, few commendations from others, few
successes anyone can seem to remember.
2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people, but must stifle their
deepest feelings, be silent about their most passionate aims,
and hide their turbulent loathing of George Bush Republicans
(lest it frighten independents with its ferocity). The Democratic
elite is saying as little as possible about same-sex marriage.
And guns. And very little about abortion. And not a word
about total withdrawal of American troops from Iraq - quite the
opposite. Democratic elites do not want the people to know what they
really think. On that ground, they fear they will lose.
3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.
4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.
5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. It is hard not to believe that there will
be at least a slight change in the roaring winds. When it comes
(and the change is already underway), it is bound to push Bush's
sails steadily ahead as the weeks roll on.
6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission (which was supposed to blow Bush out of the water
just before the election, but ended up destroying his worst
calumniators). These lies were also proven wrong by the British
inquiry. Even the Kerry Convention in Boston ended up taking
the Bush strategic line in Iraq, except for one thing: Kerry is wistful
about the probability of persuading France and Germany to bear
some burden on behalf of liberty in Iraq. Good luck! God knows, Bush
and Colin Powell tried.
Finally, there is the matter of faith, even of the sort Tom Paine
showed in 1776. Paine was no Christian, but he did believe that God
had created this vast and splendid universe in order to share His
friendship with free women and free men, and for this reason the
Creator put freedom at the core of things. Tom Paine had no tolerance
for the Bible, and less for Biblical fundamentalists, but he was not
so much an atheist, he wrote, as to believe that the Almighty Who made
the universe for liberty would allow the cause of people willing to
die for it to come to naught. Paine couldn't bring himself to believe
that God would favor George III.
In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.
In accepting the nomination of his party Thursday night, John Kerry
could not quite bring himself to give both the president and the
volunteer military who performed so well some credit for this great
and significant advance for human liberty. The theme of liberty in the
Muslim world belongs to George Bush. It was he who named liberty the
only real alternative to terrorism.
"With a firm reliance on Divine Providence," to cite our forebears
once again, Bush has publicly held that one cannot fight terrorism
merely by killing terrorists. One must provide an alternative of
liberty, prosperity, and opportunity - one must labor to build free
societies where they do not now exist. Liberty works. I think Bush
will win because these are the truths Americans hold.
Bush believes these truths. At this moment, the Democrats (who used to
believe them, nobly so) do not even see their relevance. Kerry spoke
well about patriotism, the international leadership of America, and
liberty - but he seems willfully blind to the relevance of these
beautiful ideals to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terrorism. For
such ideals and purposes some 900 young Americans of this generation
have laid down their lives. They will be thanked by generations yet
unborn.
So will their commander-in-chief.
* Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress
in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion,
Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute.
Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.
===========================================================
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002
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User: "kuff \Isaac Adams"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 10:00:45 AM
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
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http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they'll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?

How about when they lose by 23 percentage points?


....


In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:

1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. ...

2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people...

3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.

4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.

5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. ...

6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission ...

(Novak wussed out on item 7. I'll attempt to create it for him.)
7. God wants Bush to win.

Finally, there is the matter of faith, ...

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq ...

....
And finally, reason number 8.
8. Nobody wants a kinder, gentler SOB.
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User: "Harry"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 02:28:51 PM
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http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

A Scaife-Mellon funded publication. Need you know any more? You have
to wonder why folks would limit themselves almost exclusively to
sources of information owned and operated as wholly owned subsidiaries
of the RNC, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the oil companies.
Scaife, Murdoch and Moon, what a crew! A rich old guy who got you to
spend 70 million dollars and six years only to prove the Clinton-Gore
administration was by far the least corrupt and most open and honest
administration in US history. I don't know how else you would
characterize an investigation that lasted six years, had absolutely
full supoena power, and came up with nothing. Scaife is the guy who
almost literally as it turns out, dragged $100 bills through Arkansas
trailor parks looking for dirt on Clinton.
It wasn't as though there were more important things going on, you
know? While Newt Gingrich was courting his staffer to become his
fourth (fifth?) wife (he was married at the time) and telling her to
give him blowjobs so he could say "I never had sex with that woman",
Newtie was also pursuing an impeachment for Bill Clinton.
Like I say, nothing else was going on, right? I mean, these folks
guided you to the IMPORTANT stuff, right? Isn't that what analysis is
for?
And Murdoch is a wonderful Aussie patriot who renounced the
citizenship of his home country to get US citizenship because the laws
made it possible for him to buy more US newspapers and TV stations
that way. Murdoch employs Roger Ailes (the Willie Horton ads) who
runs Faux News and sends an email to his journalists (sic) every day
to tell them what the news is going to be.
And Moon of course is the convicted felon (was it 18 months he served
in jail) and the universal mother and father and successor to Jesus
Christ.


7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they'll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?


How about when they lose by 23 percentage points?


...


In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:

1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. ...

Ahahahahahahahaaha. I loooooove the idea of making the top 2% of the
country in terms of income pay a reasonable share of the cost of the
war and the cost of medical care for the nation. I loooove the fact
that he's not a liar and a moron and a psychotic serial murderer, like
Georgie-Boy who, if his father hadn't been head of the CIA would quite
likely be on some death row awaiting execution for some crime he
committed while coked out of his tiny mind.


2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people...

Yeah, sure. You betcha. We are what you folks say we are. If you
folks say we are one thing, and we turn out not to be, that's because
we cannot present ourselves as we are.
You know, I notice the Cheney-Lay administration has never presented
themselves to the American people as THEY are, namely, a conspiracy to
keep the country at war forever so we can keep the country dependent
on petroleum until it runs out. You know, there's a name for folks
who believe they can solve all problems with the military, they're
called "militarists". How come the Cheney-Lay administration doesn't
come right out and say, "Our goal is to improve American
competitiveness by reducing wages to the level of Guatamala, and
social services too!"

3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.

Some of my best friends are Catholics. Ever hear of Christian
Workers? Maryknoll Sisters? You are aware the Catholic church
condemns the US war in Iraq? You are aware the Catholic church is
opposed to the death sentence?
On the otherhand, you're right about evangelicals and fundimentalists.
The only one I ever met who was right in the head was Jimmy Carter.
The basic problem is that it's impossible for a Christian, by which I
mean a follower and supporter of the teachings of Jesus Christ, to
support the Cheney-Lay administration, and so it's pretty clear to me
that anyone who claims to be a christian (evangelical or
fundimentalist) is either lying, and/or has absolutely no idea what
being a christian is all about.
And I can believe that, since I regularly read in
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, the fans of which are almost universally
mentally unbalanced, uneducated, untraveled, do not hold jobs, and
really really really stupid.


4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.

Yes, but he'll look real good, tall and thin, at the podium on the
East Porch of the Capital on, what? Jan 22?

5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. ...

See, this is one of your mistakes/delusions. You seem to believe the
news and advertising is invented to give Cheney and Lay a hard time.
It's a conspiracy. Whereas in fact, the news was lousey because the
policies were exactly as misguided as we pointed out when they were
proposed, and the advertisements are the result of a lot of people
becoming very concerned over the negative outcome of these policies.
But I know it's pointless to talk to you about this. You believe
everyone is against you, right? They're all plotting and whispering
about you, Isaac. Bill Clinton is even now slipping a computer chip
into the brain of your beloved.


6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission ...

Interesting point. The Senate Intelligence Committee, and myself
based on my own reading of offical government documents issued by the
Cheney-Lay administration to support their point, came to the
conclusion that ***** Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and some
others told the CIA very clearly and very early (1999) what kind of
intelligence they expected, and by gawd, they got it.
Now, my conclusion to this is that President Cheney, Vice President
Lay, conspirators Wolfowitz and Perle, and propagandists Limpballs,
Murdoch, Scaife, Moon, O'Lielly, Hannity, Coulter et al. are guilty of
war crimes. In the case of Presidnet Cheney and VP Lay, Class-A war
crimes. They are quite likely to be hung for this, though it may take
a while.
I believe I'll hold to my current analysis and wait for the second
Senate Intelligence Committee report to come out after the election
(gee, I wonder why after the election) which points out: These guys
lied, your son died, Cheney is very very rich, we have twenty more
years of war to go.


(Novak wussed out on item 7. I'll attempt to create it for him.)

7. God wants Bush to win.

Finally, there is the matter of faith, ...

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq ...


From your lips to god's ears. Although, frankly, neither Afganistan
nor Iraq have in any way been liberated from anything.


...

And finally, reason number 8.

8. Nobody wants a kinder, gentler SOB.

.
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Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 03:04:43 PM
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Thanks for the response Hank. You're kind of responding to me responding to
the text you are going after but we can muddle through.
....


But I know it's pointless to talk to you about this. You believe
everyone is against you, right?

No, I think most folks don't care. Which is worse...

They're all plotting and whispering
about you, Isaac. Bill Clinton is even now slipping a computer chip
into the brain of your beloved.

Let the chips fall where they may.


....
.


User: "Barney Lyon"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 01:32:49 PM
Speaking of disconsolate:
Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09
President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to
control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill
Blue has learned.
The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the
White House physician, can impair the President's mental faculties and
decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to
a crisis, administration aides admit privately.
"It's a double-edged sword," says one aide. "We can't have him flying
off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a
President who is alert mentally."
Angry Bush walked away from reporter's questions.Tubb prescribed the
anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July
8, refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with
indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.
"Keep those motherfuckers away from me," he screamed at an aide
backstage. "If you can't, I'll find someone who can."
Bush's mental stability has become the topic of Washington whispers in
recent months. Capitol Hill Blue first reported on June 4 about
increasing concern among White House aides over the President's wide
mood swings and obscene outbursts.
Although GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda,
the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington
University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the
Couch: Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the
President as a "paranoid meglomaniac" and "untreated alcoholic" whose
"lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using
firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over
state executions and pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of
Baghdad" showcase Bush's instabilities.
"I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything
he did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt
he was disturbed," Dr. Frank said. "He fits the profile of a former
drinker whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated."
Dr. Frank's conclusions have been praised by other prominent
psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA
Medical Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at
Stanford University Medical School.
The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful
anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical
dependency. Bush is an admitted alcoholic, although he never sought
treatment in a formal program, and stories about his cocaine use as a
younger man haunted his campaigns for Texas governor and his first
campaign for President.
"President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and
megalomaniac tendencies," Dr. Frank adds.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this
article.
Although the exact drugs Bush takes to control his depression and
behavior are not known, White House sources say they are "powerful
medications" designed to bring his erratic actions under control.
While Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President's
annual physical, details of the President's health and any drugs or
treatment he may receive are not public record and are guarded
zealously by the secretive cadre of aides that surround the President.
Veteran White House watchers say the ability to control information
about Bush's health, either physical or mental, is similar to Ronald
Reagan's second term when aides managed to conceal the President's
increasing memory lapses that signaled the onslaught of Alzheimer's
Disease.
It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon's final days when the
soon-to-resign President wandered the halls and talked to portraits of
former Presidents. The stories didn't emerge until after Nixon left
office.
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons –
asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican
Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush.
"We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the
United States is loony tunes," he says sadly. "That's not good for my
candidates, it's not good for the party and it's certainly not good
for the country."
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml
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User: "GW Chimpzilla"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why =?UTF-8?B?VGhleZJsbA==?= Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 12:49:15 PM
ArKLyte_ wrote:

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.

So the wingnuts at the (formerly intellectual) journal National Review have sunk
to superstition in their beLIEf in Bush's election.
.
User: "topcat"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 01:19:04 PM
"GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vSvOc.198588$JR4.149208@attbi_s54...

ArKLyte_ wrote:


In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.


So the wingnuts at the (formerly intellectual) journal National Review

have sunk

to superstition in their beLIEf in Bush's election.

Knew it wouldn't take long for an anti-Christion neolib to pick this part of
the article out.
Yes, we do believe in good vs. evil and right vs. wrong. It's obvious by who
the Dim party associates with (Sharpton, Jackson, Clinton), you don't.
Good and right are just some of the reasons you evil, hate-spewing
left-wingers will get stomped in Nov.
TC
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User: "GW Chimpzilla"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 02:45:10 PM
topcat wrote:


"GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vSvOc.198588$JR4.149208@attbi_s54...

ArKLyte_ wrote:


In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.


So the wingnuts at the (formerly intellectual) journal National Review

have sunk

to superstition in their beLIEf in Bush's election.


Knew it wouldn't take long for an anti-Christion neolib to pick this part of
the article out.

Yes, we do believe in good vs. evil and right vs. wrong. It's obvious by who
the Dim party associates with (Sharpton, Jackson, Clinton), you don't.

Look in the mirror. Fundies only beLIEve in evil and wrong. Those two concepts
occupy at least 85% of your brain. The stink of negativity drips from your
filthy, pious brow.


Good and right are just some of the reasons you evil, hate-spewing
left-wingers will get stomped in Nov.

TC

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User: "topcat"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 31 Jul 2004 09:05:36 AM
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topcat wrote:


"GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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ArKLyte_ wrote:


In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.


So the wingnuts at the (formerly intellectual) journal National Review

have sunk

to superstition in their beLIEf in Bush's election.


Knew it wouldn't take long for an anti-Christion neolib to pick this

part of

the article out.

Yes, we do believe in good vs. evil and right vs. wrong. It's obvious by

who

the Dim party associates with (Sharpton, Jackson, Clinton), you don't.


Look in the mirror. Fundies only beLIEve in evil and wrong. Those two

concepts

occupy at least 85% of your brain. The stink of negativity drips from your
filthy, pious brow.


Hey, we aren't the ones spitting venom at GWB *every fucking day* here in
the groups. Looks like you lefties are the ones with the anger management
issues.
TC
.



User: "kuff \Isaac Adams"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 01:58:54 PM
"GW Chimpzilla" <patriot-for-cash@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:vSvOc.198588$JR4.149208@attbi_s54...

ArKLyte_ wrote:


In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.


So the wingnuts at the (formerly intellectual) journal National Review have

sunk

to superstition in their beLIEf in Bush's election.

Yep. At least Novak has. "From Feith to Faith Based"
.


User: "• R.L.Measures"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why They’ll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 09:59:38 AM
In article <ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com>,
wrote:

http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they’ll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?

..> ...
• Counting chickens before the eggs hatch?
--
€ R.L. Measures, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org
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User: "Barney Lyon"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why They?ll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 01:33:53 PM
Speaking of disconsolate:
Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09
President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to
control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill
Blue has learned.
The prescription drugs, administered by Col. Richard J. Tubb, the
White House physician, can impair the President's mental faculties and
decrease both his physical capabilities and his ability to respond to
a crisis, administration aides admit privately.
"It's a double-edged sword," says one aide. "We can't have him flying
off the handle at the slightest provocation but we also need a
President who is alert mentally."
Angry Bush walked away from reporter's questions.Tubb prescribed the
anti-depressants after a clearly-upset Bush stormed off stage on July
8, refusing to answer reporters' questions about his relationship with
indicted Enron executive Kenneth J. Lay.
"Keep those motherfuckers away from me," he screamed at an aide
backstage. "If you can't, I'll find someone who can."
Bush's mental stability has become the topic of Washington whispers in
recent months. Capitol Hill Blue first reported on June 4 about
increasing concern among White House aides over the President's wide
mood swings and obscene outbursts.
Although GOP loyalists dismissed the reports an anti-Bush propaganda,
the reports were later confirmed by prominent George Washington
University psychiatrist Dr. Justin Frank in his book Bush on the
Couch: Inside the Mind of the President. Dr. Frank diagnosed the
President as a "paranoid meglomaniac" and "untreated alcoholic" whose
"lifelong streak of sadism, ranging from childhood pranks (using
firecrackers to explode frogs) to insulting journalists, gloating over
state executions and pumping his hand gleefully before the bombing of
Baghdad" showcase Bush's instabilities.
"I was really very unsettled by him and I started watching everything
he did and reading what he wrote and watching him on videotape. I felt
he was disturbed," Dr. Frank said. "He fits the profile of a former
drinker whose alcoholism has been arrested but not treated."
Dr. Frank's conclusions have been praised by other prominent
psychiatrists, including Dr. James Grotstein, Professor at UCLA
Medical Center, and Dr. Irvin Yalom, MD, Professor Emeritus at
Stanford University Medical School.
The doctors also worry about the wisdom of giving powerful
anti-depressant drugs to a person with a history of chemical
dependency. Bush is an admitted alcoholic, although he never sought
treatment in a formal program, and stories about his cocaine use as a
younger man haunted his campaigns for Texas governor and his first
campaign for President.
"President Bush is an untreated alcoholic with paranoid and
megalomaniac tendencies," Dr. Frank adds.
The White House did not return phone calls seeking comment on this
article.
Although the exact drugs Bush takes to control his depression and
behavior are not known, White House sources say they are "powerful
medications" designed to bring his erratic actions under control.
While Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President's
annual physical, details of the President's health and any drugs or
treatment he may receive are not public record and are guarded
zealously by the secretive cadre of aides that surround the President.
Veteran White House watchers say the ability to control information
about Bush's health, either physical or mental, is similar to Ronald
Reagan's second term when aides managed to conceal the President's
increasing memory lapses that signaled the onslaught of Alzheimer's
Disease.
It also brings back memories of Richard Nixon's final days when the
soon-to-resign President wandered the halls and talked to portraits of
former Presidents. The stories didn't emerge until after Nixon left
office.
One long-time GOP political consultant who – for obvious reasons –
asked not to be identified said he is advising his Republican
Congressional candidates to keep their distance from Bush.
"We have to face the very real possibility that the President of the
United States is loony tunes," he says sadly. "That's not good for my
candidates, it's not good for the party and it's certainly not good
for the country."
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_4921.shtml
.
User: "Brian Hoffmann"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why They?ll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 02:24:36 PM
"Barney Lyon" <fountaingrove@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:881a53f6.0407301033.5ed35698@posting.google.com...

Speaking of disconsolate:

Bush Using Drugs to Control Depression, Erratic Behavior
By TERESA HAMPTON
Editor, Capitol Hill Blue
Jul 28, 2004, 08:09

President George W. Bush is taking powerful anti-depressant drugs to
control his erratic behavior, depression and paranoia, Capitol Hill
Blue has learned.

All this gleaned from Drs that have never even examind the man.
What a bunch of crap.
And if they had, they would have their asses handed to them in court
for breaking a Dr Client privilege.
You liberals are some desperate anumals aren't you?
Even in their own stupid article they say this.
"While Col. Tubb regularly releases a synopsis of the President's
annual physical, details of the President's health and any drugs or
treatment he may receive are not public record"
so how can this be anything but a bunch of propaganda
for the left to lap like is was truth?
Oh yeah, because a couple of docs that have never even met the man
say so..
Yeah...
.

User: "ArKLyte_"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why They?ll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 02:48:56 PM
On 30 Jul 2004 11:33:53 -0700,
(Barney Lyon) wrote:

Capitol Hill Blue

HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
===========================================================
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002
.


User: "Havirrion"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why =?windows-1252?Q?They=92ll_?==?windows-1252?Q?Be_Disconsolate=2E=2E=2E?= 31 Jul 2004 01:12:18 AM
• R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com>,

wrote:


http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they’ll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?


.> ...

• Counting chickens before the eggs hatch?

If you know how many eggs there are you can play the percentages.
.
User: "black sheep of da family"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why They?ll Be Disconsolate... 31 Jul 2004 08:34:29 AM
The journalist (read shill) omits exclusively the TWO reasons Dems
might lose: Florida-repeat and Computer-fix.
Havirrion <havirrion@NOblueDAMNyonderSPAM.co.uk> wrote in message news:<6LGOc.11753$O%7.120058999@news-text.cableinet.net>...

? R.L.Measures wrote:

In article <ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com>,

wrote:


http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why theyâ??ll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?


.> ...

?

Counting chickens before the eggs hatch?




If you know how many eggs there are you can play the percentages.

.



User: "ArKLyte_"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 10:14:16 AM
When a reader encounters a sentence like "for Democrats, the purpose of
democracy is to milk government for ever more abundant benefits", what do
you think comes to mind ? What comes to mind is massive corruption and
cronyism with the Enron scandal, Haliburton's embezzlement in Iraq, payola
for George Bush's oil buddies, even more massive corruption in military
procurements and deficits deficits deficits as far as the eye an see.
What feeble nonsense. Americans have got your number, Mr. Michael Novak.
Do yourself a favor and start talking about issues instead of bandying the
bull.
"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com...

http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they'll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?

One of the political commentators I admire most for his astuteness
said yesterday that the paroxysm of hatred the Democrats have been
indulging for the last six months is the worst American political
delusion he has seen in his entire life.

What will it be like - if after all this hatred, all this effort, all
those millions upon millions of dollars spent to express disdain,
contempt, and hate - Bush wins again, flashes a victory symbol over
his head, grins, strides around shaking hands, glows with exuberance
and radiance?

For Democrats, losing is much worse than for Republicans. For
Democrats, the purpose of democracy is to milk government for ever
more abundant benefits. Republicans in principle believe in limited
government, and thus in a certain way they do even better out of power
than when they must exercise it. Democrats without power suffer much
more. Democrats go listless, purposeless.

In a minority, Democrats are fairly useless creatures. In victory,
they cultivate grand visions of benefits to be shaken from government
largesse; defeat, however, freezes the core of their being. Democratic
defeat defies the natural order. For them, history halts. What had
been an onward rushing tide swirls round and round, becoming still.

So loss at any time (as in 2000) is almost inadmissible by Democrats.
But a loss in 2004, particularly a solid loss, will be for them a
disaster beyond imagination. Such recriminations there will be. Some
will blame the "centrism" of the Kerry team, and the much-resented
repression of the Left. Some will come to see the isolation in which
the widespread paroxysms of hatred and contempt for George Bush
blindly thrust them. Some will see that the core ideologies of the
Left are faultily drawn - in economics, their attraction to a kind of
governmental centralization, and their antipathy to capitalism, the
market, corporations, and job creators. They claim to love employees
while hating their employers, a self-defeating cycle. In matters of
culture, others will see that the left-wing's sexual ethic and
religious sensibility are too far out of tune with the American
people. Nonetheless, one can predict that both in economics and in
culture, others will try to drive the party more leftward still.

In any case, it would be wise to get ready for the coming cataclysm.

In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:

1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. The nearly 30 years since then have
generated few boasts on his part, few commendations from others, few
successes anyone can seem to remember.

2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people, but must stifle their
deepest feelings, be silent about their most passionate aims,
and hide their turbulent loathing of George Bush Republicans
(lest it frighten independents with its ferocity). The Democratic
elite is saying as little as possible about same-sex marriage.
And guns. And very little about abortion. And not a word
about total withdrawal of American troops from Iraq - quite the
opposite. Democratic elites do not want the people to know what they
really think. On that ground, they fear they will lose.

3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.

4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.

5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. It is hard not to believe that there will
be at least a slight change in the roaring winds. When it comes
(and the change is already underway), it is bound to push Bush's
sails steadily ahead as the weeks roll on.

6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission (which was supposed to blow Bush out of the water
just before the election, but ended up destroying his worst
calumniators). These lies were also proven wrong by the British
inquiry. Even the Kerry Convention in Boston ended up taking
the Bush strategic line in Iraq, except for one thing: Kerry is wistful
about the probability of persuading France and Germany to bear
some burden on behalf of liberty in Iraq. Good luck! God knows, Bush
and Colin Powell tried.

Finally, there is the matter of faith, even of the sort Tom Paine
showed in 1776. Paine was no Christian, but he did believe that God
had created this vast and splendid universe in order to share His
friendship with free women and free men, and for this reason the
Creator put freedom at the core of things. Tom Paine had no tolerance
for the Bible, and less for Biblical fundamentalists, but he was not
so much an atheist, he wrote, as to believe that the Almighty Who made
the universe for liberty would allow the cause of people willing to
die for it to come to naught. Paine couldn't bring himself to believe
that God would favor George III.

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.

In accepting the nomination of his party Thursday night, John Kerry
could not quite bring himself to give both the president and the
volunteer military who performed so well some credit for this great
and significant advance for human liberty. The theme of liberty in the
Muslim world belongs to George Bush. It was he who named liberty the
only real alternative to terrorism.

"With a firm reliance on Divine Providence," to cite our forebears
once again, Bush has publicly held that one cannot fight terrorism
merely by killing terrorists. One must provide an alternative of
liberty, prosperity, and opportunity - one must labor to build free
societies where they do not now exist. Liberty works. I think Bush
will win because these are the truths Americans hold.

Bush believes these truths. At this moment, the Democrats (who used to
believe them, nobly so) do not even see their relevance. Kerry spoke
well about patriotism, the international leadership of America, and
liberty - but he seems willfully blind to the relevance of these
beautiful ideals to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terrorism. For
such ideals and purposes some 900 young Americans of this generation
have laid down their lives. They will be thanked by generations yet
unborn.

So will their commander-in-chief.

* Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress
in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion,
Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute.
Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.

===========================================================
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002

.
User: "kuff \Isaac Adams"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 10:57:37 AM
Could you please not forge ArKLyte_.? I'm sure it's great fun but I don't think
it's right. - Isaac
"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
news:cBtOc.353951$Gx4.244767@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


When a reader encounters a sentence like "for Democrats, the purpose of
democracy is to milk government for ever more abundant benefits", what do
you think comes to mind ? What comes to mind is massive corruption and
cronyism with the Enron scandal, Haliburton's embezzlement in Iraq, payola
for George Bush's oil buddies, even more massive corruption in military
procurements and deficits deficits deficits as far as the eye an see.

What feeble nonsense. Americans have got your number, Mr. Michael Novak.
Do yourself a favor and start talking about issues instead of bandying the
bull.


"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com...

http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they'll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?

One of the political commentators I admire most for his astuteness
said yesterday that the paroxysm of hatred the Democrats have been
indulging for the last six months is the worst American political
delusion he has seen in his entire life.

What will it be like - if after all this hatred, all this effort, all
those millions upon millions of dollars spent to express disdain,
contempt, and hate - Bush wins again, flashes a victory symbol over
his head, grins, strides around shaking hands, glows with exuberance
and radiance?

For Democrats, losing is much worse than for Republicans. For
Democrats, the purpose of democracy is to milk government for ever
more abundant benefits. Republicans in principle believe in limited
government, and thus in a certain way they do even better out of power
than when they must exercise it. Democrats without power suffer much
more. Democrats go listless, purposeless.

In a minority, Democrats are fairly useless creatures. In victory,
they cultivate grand visions of benefits to be shaken from government
largesse; defeat, however, freezes the core of their being. Democratic
defeat defies the natural order. For them, history halts. What had
been an onward rushing tide swirls round and round, becoming still.

So loss at any time (as in 2000) is almost inadmissible by Democrats.
But a loss in 2004, particularly a solid loss, will be for them a
disaster beyond imagination. Such recriminations there will be. Some
will blame the "centrism" of the Kerry team, and the much-resented
repression of the Left. Some will come to see the isolation in which
the widespread paroxysms of hatred and contempt for George Bush
blindly thrust them. Some will see that the core ideologies of the
Left are faultily drawn - in economics, their attraction to a kind of
governmental centralization, and their antipathy to capitalism, the
market, corporations, and job creators. They claim to love employees
while hating their employers, a self-defeating cycle. In matters of
culture, others will see that the left-wing's sexual ethic and
religious sensibility are too far out of tune with the American
people. Nonetheless, one can predict that both in economics and in
culture, others will try to drive the party more leftward still.

In any case, it would be wise to get ready for the coming cataclysm.

In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:

1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. The nearly 30 years since then have
generated few boasts on his part, few commendations from others, few
successes anyone can seem to remember.

2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people, but must stifle their
deepest feelings, be silent about their most passionate aims,
and hide their turbulent loathing of George Bush Republicans
(lest it frighten independents with its ferocity). The Democratic
elite is saying as little as possible about same-sex marriage.
And guns. And very little about abortion. And not a word
about total withdrawal of American troops from Iraq - quite the
opposite. Democratic elites do not want the people to know what they
really think. On that ground, they fear they will lose.

3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.

4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.

5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. It is hard not to believe that there will
be at least a slight change in the roaring winds. When it comes
(and the change is already underway), it is bound to push Bush's
sails steadily ahead as the weeks roll on.

6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission (which was supposed to blow Bush out of the water
just before the election, but ended up destroying his worst
calumniators). These lies were also proven wrong by the British
inquiry. Even the Kerry Convention in Boston ended up taking
the Bush strategic line in Iraq, except for one thing: Kerry is wistful
about the probability of persuading France and Germany to bear
some burden on behalf of liberty in Iraq. Good luck! God knows, Bush
and Colin Powell tried.

Finally, there is the matter of faith, even of the sort Tom Paine
showed in 1776. Paine was no Christian, but he did believe that God
had created this vast and splendid universe in order to share His
friendship with free women and free men, and for this reason the
Creator put freedom at the core of things. Tom Paine had no tolerance
for the Bible, and less for Biblical fundamentalists, but he was not
so much an atheist, he wrote, as to believe that the Almighty Who made
the universe for liberty would allow the cause of people willing to
die for it to come to naught. Paine couldn't bring himself to believe
that God would favor George III.

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.

In accepting the nomination of his party Thursday night, John Kerry
could not quite bring himself to give both the president and the
volunteer military who performed so well some credit for this great
and significant advance for human liberty. The theme of liberty in the
Muslim world belongs to George Bush. It was he who named liberty the
only real alternative to terrorism.

"With a firm reliance on Divine Providence," to cite our forebears
once again, Bush has publicly held that one cannot fight terrorism
merely by killing terrorists. One must provide an alternative of
liberty, prosperity, and opportunity - one must labor to build free
societies where they do not now exist. Liberty works. I think Bush
will win because these are the truths Americans hold.

Bush believes these truths. At this moment, the Democrats (who used to
believe them, nobly so) do not even see their relevance. Kerry spoke
well about patriotism, the international leadership of America, and
liberty - but he seems willfully blind to the relevance of these
beautiful ideals to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terrorism. For
such ideals and purposes some 900 young Americans of this generation
have laid down their lives. They will be thanked by generations yet
unborn.

So will their commander-in-chief.

* Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress
in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion,
Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute.
Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.

===========================================================
"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002



.
User: "ArKLyte_"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 11:28:52 AM
"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:410a6eb4_3@127.0.0.1...

Could you please not forge ArKLyte_.? I'm sure it's great fun but I don't

think

it's right. - Isaac

You're no fun. What happen to the innocent joys of mistaken identity, long
lost brothers ( nearly ) coupling with sisters disguised as boys and the
like ?
In the original, all the women's roles were played by men. At times, the
role demanded that the men playing women would 'crossdress' as women
pretending to be men. It's doesn't get any better than that !
http://www.shakespeare-literature.com/Twelfth_Night/15.html
OLIVIA:
I prithee, gentle friend,
Let thy fair wisdom, not thy passion, sway
In this uncivil and thou unjust extent
Against thy peace. Go with me to my house,
And hear thou there how many fruitless pranks
This ruffian hath botch'd up, that thou thereby
Mayst smile at this: thou shalt not choose but go:
Do not deny. Beshrew his soul for me,
He started one poor heart of mine in thee.


"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
news:cBtOc.353951$Gx4.244767@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


When a reader encounters a sentence like "for Democrats, the purpose of
democracy is to milk government for ever more abundant benefits", what

do

you think comes to mind ? What comes to mind is massive corruption and
cronyism with the Enron scandal, Haliburton's embezzlement in Iraq,

payola

for George Bush's oil buddies, even more massive corruption in military
procurements and deficits deficits deficits as far as the eye an see.

What feeble nonsense. Americans have got your number, Mr. Michael

Novak.

Do yourself a favor and start talking about issues instead of bandying

the

bull.


"ArKLyte_" <ArkLyte_@Now.Net> wrote in message
news:ssikg0h44idqapli33hmo0pgcob7v8g6ft@4ax.com...

http://www.nationalreview.com

National Review Online

7-30-04

Michael Novak

Why the Dems Will Lose And why they'll be disconsolate.

You know how Democrats hate Bush now? How will they hate him when they
lose to him on November 2 by three or four percentage points?

One of the political commentators I admire most for his astuteness
said yesterday that the paroxysm of hatred the Democrats have been
indulging for the last six months is the worst American political
delusion he has seen in his entire life.

What will it be like - if after all this hatred, all this effort, all
those millions upon millions of dollars spent to express disdain,
contempt, and hate - Bush wins again, flashes a victory symbol over
his head, grins, strides around shaking hands, glows with exuberance
and radiance?

For Democrats, losing is much worse than for Republicans. For
Democrats, the purpose of democracy is to milk government for ever
more abundant benefits. Republicans in principle believe in limited
government, and thus in a certain way they do even better out of power
than when they must exercise it. Democrats without power suffer much
more. Democrats go listless, purposeless.

In a minority, Democrats are fairly useless creatures. In victory,
they cultivate grand visions of benefits to be shaken from government
largesse; defeat, however, freezes the core of their being. Democratic
defeat defies the natural order. For them, history halts. What had
been an onward rushing tide swirls round and round, becoming still.

So loss at any time (as in 2000) is almost inadmissible by Democrats.
But a loss in 2004, particularly a solid loss, will be for them a
disaster beyond imagination. Such recriminations there will be. Some
will blame the "centrism" of the Kerry team, and the much-resented
repression of the Left. Some will come to see the isolation in which
the widespread paroxysms of hatred and contempt for George Bush
blindly thrust them. Some will see that the core ideologies of the
Left are faultily drawn - in economics, their attraction to a kind of
governmental centralization, and their antipathy to capitalism, the
market, corporations, and job creators. They claim to love employees
while hating their employers, a self-defeating cycle. In matters of
culture, others will see that the left-wing's sexual ethic and
religious sensibility are too far out of tune with the American
people. Nonetheless, one can predict that both in economics and in
culture, others will try to drive the party more leftward still.

In any case, it would be wise to get ready for the coming cataclysm.

In 2004, I see six reasons why the Democratic goose is cooked:

1. No one - neither his colleagues nor his wife nor his supporters nor
he himself - has anything good to say about John Kerry except that he
served bravely in Vietnam. The nearly 30 years since then have
generated few boasts on his part, few commendations from others, few
successes anyone can seem to remember.

2. The Democratic elite sitting in convention cannot present
themselves as they are to the American people, but must stifle their
deepest feelings, be silent about their most passionate aims,
and hide their turbulent loathing of George Bush Republicans
(lest it frighten independents with its ferocity). The Democratic
elite is saying as little as possible about same-sex marriage.
And guns. And very little about abortion. And not a word
about total withdrawal of American troops from Iraq - quite the
opposite. Democratic elites do not want the people to know what they
really think. On that ground, they fear they will lose.

3. Democrats must hide from the public what they truly think about
evangelicals, fundamentalists, and Catholics. They express these
thoughts mostly among themselves.

4. John Kerry looks sillier in the pale blue NASA rabbit suit than
Michael Dukakis did in a tank.

5. The months of April, May, and June were so heavy with bad
news for George Bush - the huge Sorosian expenditures on
anti-Bush ads came at him in torrents - and still he held even
with Kerry in the polls. It is hard not to believe that there will
be at least a slight change in the roaring winds. When it comes
(and the change is already underway), it is bound to push Bush's
sails steadily ahead as the weeks roll on.

6. The worst lies told by the Democrats about Bush - those of
Joe Wilson, Michael Moore, and others, saying that Bush lied
about Iraq - have already been proven wrong by the 9/11
Commission (which was supposed to blow Bush out of the water
just before the election, but ended up destroying his worst
calumniators). These lies were also proven wrong by the British
inquiry. Even the Kerry Convention in Boston ended up taking
the Bush strategic line in Iraq, except for one thing: Kerry is

wistful

about the probability of persuading France and Germany to bear
some burden on behalf of liberty in Iraq. Good luck! God knows, Bush
and Colin Powell tried.

Finally, there is the matter of faith, even of the sort Tom Paine
showed in 1776. Paine was no Christian, but he did believe that God
had created this vast and splendid universe in order to share His
friendship with free women and free men, and for this reason the
Creator put freedom at the core of things. Tom Paine had no tolerance
for the Bible, and less for Biblical fundamentalists, but he was not
so much an atheist, he wrote, as to believe that the Almighty Who made
the universe for liberty would allow the cause of people willing to
die for it to come to naught. Paine couldn't bring himself to believe
that God would favor George III.

In that same spirit, I find it hard to believe that the Creator who
gave us liberty will ignore President Bush's willingness to sacrifice
his own presidency for the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq - their
50 million citizens, and perhaps their progeny for ages to come. A
kind of cosmic justice (which does not always materialize, I
recognize) calls for vindication. Especially when the president has
been so unfairly calumniated by his foes, domestic and foreign.

In accepting the nomination of his party Thursday night, John Kerry
could not quite bring himself to give both the president and the
volunteer military who performed so well some credit for this great
and significant advance for human liberty. The theme of liberty in the
Muslim world belongs to George Bush. It was he who named liberty the
only real alternative to terrorism.

"With a firm reliance on Divine Providence," to cite our forebears
once again, Bush has publicly held that one cannot fight terrorism
merely by killing terrorists. One must provide an alternative of
liberty, prosperity, and opportunity - one must labor to build free
societies where they do not now exist. Liberty works. I think Bush
will win because these are the truths Americans hold.

Bush believes these truths. At this moment, the Democrats (who used to
believe them, nobly so) do not even see their relevance. Kerry spoke
well about patriotism, the international leadership of America, and
liberty - but he seems willfully blind to the relevance of these
beautiful ideals to Iraq, Afghanistan, and the war on terrorism. For
such ideals and purposes some 900 young Americans of this generation
have laid down their lives. They will be thanked by generations yet
unborn.

So will their commander-in-chief.

* Michael Novak is the winner of the 1994 Templeton Prize for progress
in religion and the George Frederick Jewett Scholar in Religion,
Philosophy, and Public Policy at the American Enterprise Institute.
Novak's own website is www.michaelnovak.net.

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"Ah yes, we must mollify angry fanatics who seek our destruction
because otherwise .. they might get mad and seek our destruction."
- Ann Coulter 9/26/2002





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User: "kuff \Isaac Adams"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 30 Jul 2004 12:54:25 PM
"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
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"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:410a6eb4_3@127.0.0.1...

Could you please not forge ArKLyte_.? I'm sure it's great fun but I don't

think

it's right. - Isaac


You're no fun. What happen to the innocent joys of mistaken identity, long
lost brothers ( nearly ) coupling with sisters disguised as boys and the
like ?

In the original, all the women's roles were played by men. At times, the
role demanded that the men playing women would 'crossdress' as women
pretending to be men. It's doesn't get any better than that !


http://www.shakespeare-literature.com/Twelfth_Night/15.html

Um, okay...
....
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User: "ArKLyte_"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 01 Aug 2004 10:21:18 AM
"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
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"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:410a6eb4_3@127.0.0.1...

Could you please not forge ArKLyte_.? I'm sure it's great fun but I

don't

think

it's right. - Isaac


You're no fun. What happen to the innocent joys of mistaken identity,

long

lost brothers ( nearly ) coupling with sisters disguised as boys and the
like ?

In the original, all the women's roles were played by men. At times,

the

role demanded that the men playing women would 'crossdress' as women
pretending to be men. It's doesn't get any better than that !


http://www.shakespeare-literature.com/Twelfth_Night/15.html


Um, okay...

Our concept of identity is largely illusionary.
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User: "kuff \Isaac Adams"

Title: Re: Why the Dems Will Lose and Why Theyll Be Disconsolate... 01 Aug 2004 10:39:06 AM
"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
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"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"ArKLyte_" <BushLoving@Idiots.org> wrote in message
news:8HuOc.155491$OB3.15274@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...


"kuff (Isaac Adams)" <kuff_1@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:410a6eb4_3@127.0.0.1...

Could you please not forge ArKLyte_.? I'm sure it's great fun but I

don't

think

it's right. - Isaac


You're no fun. What happen to the innocent joys of mistaken identity,

long

lost brothers ( nearly ) coupling with sisters disguised as boys and the
like ?

In the original, all the women's roles were played by men. At times,

the

role demanded that the men playing women would 'crossdress' as women
pretending to be men. It's doesn't get any better than that !


http://www.shakespeare-literature.com/Twelfth_Night/15.html


Um, okay...


Our concept of identity is largely illusionary.

"concept", "illusionary"... what else would it be?
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