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"Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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01 Sep 2006 08:52:29 AM |
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Why would everybody be silent? |
I have seen this kind of thing going on. Nothing to do pedophilia, and I
don't know where it might have gone had I had participated. My guess is it
would have been bisexual orgies. My declining to participate may explain
some adverse events in my life.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
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02 Sep 2006 02:42:21 PM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
I have seen this kind of thing going on. Nothing to do with pedophilia,
and I don't know where it might have gone had I had participated. My
guess is it would have been bisexual orgies. My declining to participate
may explain some adverse events in my life.
The most significant person involved in the incident(s) I'm referring to
wore the patch shown here http://www.cid.army.mil/faqs.htm#faq25 as well as
this patch http://www.mdw.army.mil/aog/images/mdwLogo.gif on his uniform.
We were _not_ stationed in the DC area. I'm not claiming that I know the
accusations in these videos are valid, but I am claiming that I witnessed
some very bizarre behavior on the part of a person who I am sure was sent
to investigate me. It was clear that I was "invited" to join in.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
This is very interesting in the current context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Flagg
I certainly have not completely accepted what Kay Griggs is suggesting,
but /she/ appears to believe what she's saying. There are bits and pieces
of what she says (e.g., about the "German disease") which I was aware of
from previous sources.
There was mention by the narrator (not Griggs) of the supposed faking of the
Apollo Moon shot. I absolutely believe that men *did* walk on the Moon.
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05 Sep 2006 09:12:58 AM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
This is very interesting in the current context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Flagg
Here we find the Anne Coulter engaged in a sordid orgy of name dropping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349749/posts
All I have to say is FIRE AWAY Jihad Annie!
<quote>
Republicans, bloggers and gays, oh my!(Ann Coulter)
wnd.com ^ | February 23, 2005 | Ann Coulter
Posted on 02/23/2005 4:52:17 PM PST by perfect stranger
Posted: February 23, 2005 1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2005 Universal Press Syndicate
In response to the public disgrace and ruin of New York Times editor Howell
Raines, CBS anchor Dan Rather and CNN news director Eason Jordan, liberals
are directing their fury at the blogs. Once derided as people sitting
around their living rooms in pajamas, now obscure writers for unknown
websites are coming under more intensive background checks than CIA agents.
The heretofore-unknown Jeff Gannon of the heretofore-unknown "Talon News"
service was caught red-handed asking friendly questions at a White House
press briefing. Now the media is hot on the trail of a gay escort service
that Gannon may have run some years ago. Are we supposed to like gay people
now, or hate them? Is there a website where I can go to and find out how
the Democrats want me to feel about gay people on a moment-to-moment basis?
Liberals keep rolling out a scrolling series of attacks on Gannon for their
Two Minutes Hate, but all their other charges against him fall apart after
three seconds of scrutiny. Gannon's only offense is that he may be gay.
First, liberals claimed Gannon was a White House plant who received a press
pass so that he could ask softball questions ? a perk reserved for New York
Times reporters during the Clinton years. Their proof was that while "real"
journalists (like Jayson Blair) were being denied press passes, Gannon had
one, even though he writes for a website that no one has ever heard of ?
but still big enough to be a target of liberal hatred! (By the way, if
writing for a news organization with no viewers is grounds for being denied
a press pass, why do MSNBC reporters have them?)
On the op-ed page of the New York Times, Maureen Dowd openly lied about the
press pass, saying: "I was rejected for a White House press pass at the
start of the Bush administration, but someone with an alias, a tax evasion
problem and Internet pictures where he posed like the 'Barberini Faun' is
credentialed?"
Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that
dyspeptic, old Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the president. Still, it
would be suspicious if Dowd were denied a press pass while someone
from "Talon News" got one, even if he is a better reporter.
But Dowd was talking about two different passes without telling her readers
(a process now known in journalism schools as "Dowdification"). Gannon
didn't have a permanent pass; he had only a daily pass. Almost anyone can
get a daily pass ? even famed Times fantasist Maureen Dowd could have
gotten one of those. A daily pass and a permanent pass are altogether
different animals. The entire linchpin of Dowd's column was a lie. (And I'm
sure the Times' public editor will get right on Dowd's deception.)
Finally, liberals expressed shock and dismay that Gannon's real name
is "James Guckert." On MSNBC's "Hardball," Chris Matthews introduced the
Gannon scandal this way: "Coming up, how did a fake news reporter from a
right-wing website get inside the White House press briefings and
presidential news conferences?"
Reporter David Shuster then gave a report on "the phony alias Guckert used
to play journalist" ? as opposed to the real name Shuster uses to play
journalist. (You can tell Schuster is a crackerjack journalist because he
uses phrases like "phony alias.") With all the subtlety of a gay-bashing
skinhead, Matthews spent the rest of the segment seeing how many times he
could smear Gannon by mentioning "HotMilitaryStuds.com" and laughing.
Any day now, Matthews will devote entire shows to exposing Larry Zeigler,
Gerald Riviera and Michael Weiner ? aka Larry King, Geraldo Rivera and
Matthews' former MSNBC colleague Michael Savage. As a newspaper reporter,
Wolf Blitzer has written under the names Ze'ev Blitzer and Ze'ev Barak. The
greatest essayist of modern times was Eric Blair, aka George Orwell. The
worst essayist of modern times is "TRB" of The New Republic.
Air America radio host and "Nanny" impersonator "Randi Rhodes" goes by a
fake name, and she won't even tell people what her real last name is. (She
says for "privacy reasons." That name must be a real doozy.) As
Insideradio.com describes Rhodes, she refuses "to withhold anything from
her listeners" and says conservatives "are less likely to share such
things." How about sharing your name, Randi? We promise not to laugh.
Democrats in Congress actually demanded that an independent prosecutor
investigate how Gannon got into White House press conferences while writing
under an invented name. How did Gary Hartpence, Billy Blythe and John Kohn
(Gary Hart, Bill Clinton and John Kerry) run for president under invented
names? Admittedly, these men were not reporters for the prestigious "Talon
News" service; they were merely Democrats running for president.
Liberals keep telling us the media isn't liberal, but in order to retaliate
for the decimation of major news organizations like the New York Times, CBS
News and CNN, all they can do is produce the scalp of an obscure writer for
an unknown conservative Web page. And unlike Raines, Rather and Jordan,
they can't even get Gannon for incompetence on the job. (Also unlike
Raines, Rather and Jordan, Gannon has appeared on television and given a
series of creditable interviews in his own defense, proving our gays are
more macho than their straights.)
Gannon didn't write about gays. No "hypocrisy" is being exposed. Liberals'
hateful, frothing-at-the-mouth campaign against Gannon consists solely of
their claim that he is gay.
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06 Sep 2006 04:07:14 AM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
This is very interesting in the current context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Flagg
Here we find the Anne Coulter engaged in a sordid orgy of name dropping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349749/posts
http://www.franklincase.org/index.htm
http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/03/photographer-for-white-house-child-sex.html
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/huntersthompsonon911_nr.mp3
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| User: "Hatto von Aquitanien" |
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06 Sep 2006 07:30:02 AM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
This is very interesting in the current context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Flagg
Here we find the Anne Coulter engaged in a sordid orgy of name dropping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349749/posts
http://www.franklincase.org/index.htm
http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/03/photographer-for-white-house-child-sex.html
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/huntersthompsonon911_nr.mp3
This whole thing is so bizarre it seems impossible to concoct. Either
someone (DeCamp, e.g.) is churning out a whole lot of very sordid fiction
to weave together some very sordid fact, or there is more that is horribly
wrong with our government than I already believed.
<quote
url="http://www.infowars.com/articles/media/gannon_is_he_johnny_gosch.htm">
Gannon: Is he Johnny Gosch?
Des Moines Register/ERIN CRAWFORD | April 6 2005
Johnny Gosch may finally have been found, thanks to Rush Limbaugh.
The Iowa paperboy was kidnapped in 1982, with unsubstantiated stories
emerging later from his mother that he was abducted into a child pedophilia
ring. No trace of him has ever been found, and no suspects have been
arrested.
Nearly 23 years later, White House correspondent Jeff Gannon, who wrote for
a conservative Web site, was exposed in February as James D. Guckert, a man
with no journalism experience and links to several gay escort addresses
online.
If you have the time to read a few hundred Web postings, you will see how
Johnny Gosch and Jeff Gannon, two completely unrelated individuals, became
the same person on the Web. The way the theory developed says much about
the anything-goes nature of the blogosphere and self-proclaimed reporters
on the Internet, who seem to find accuracy and proof a nuisance in
uncovering fantastical conspiracies.
It took the random efforts of scores of Web loggers (bloggers), credulous
readers and longtime followers of the case to assign the two men a bizarre,
shared backstory involving satanic CIA agents, pedophiles and presidents.
And, of course, Limbaugh.
Gosch's mother, Noreen Gosch, called the theory "quite bizarre," but not
impossible.
"We don't have anything conclusive," she said.
With so many people contributing twists, this dark fiction is as wild as
anything on daytime television. It is really only the most recent
speculation about what happened to Johnny Gosch, who has been "sighted"
numerous times in the last 20 years in Africa, across the country and even
in a Montreal subway. Police have been unable to confirm the sightings.
But here's how the Internet can feed a rumor until a bunch of people
actually believe it.
The Gannon-Gosch conspiracy theory first appeared on the message board of a
liberal political site called The Democratic Underground on Feb. 26. A site
regular, using the name TwoSparkles, speculated that Jeff Gannon was
victimized by a government-organized child pornography ring.
Then he foreshadowed the future with this note: "I found this picture of
Johnny Gosch. I looked at it and almost thought it looked like Gannon! It
must be getting late." The image was a school picture of Gosch taken in the
1980s and later enhanced.
The same poster noted that Gannon/Guckert and Gosch had the same initials.
Before long, other site members were trying to figure out whether the ages
matched. (In fact, there would be more than 10 years' age difference
between Gannon and Gosch.)
Full-blown details came from several popular Web conspiracy theorists.
Self-styled political activist Sherman Skolnick, who analyzes political
corruption with an evangelical tone, adopted Rense.com as his forum about
the Gosch-Gannon/Guckert link.
Then the story was dropped into dozens of Web sites. Gosch case activist and
Denver resident Ted White estimated he posted messages about the connection
on 65 or 70 sites.
"I'm a member of over 80 Yahoo groups," he said. He fanned the rumor on the
sites, spreading information he heard from private investigators on the
Gosch case.
Bloggers picked up on the theory and soon the yarn was developing on
hundreds of sites, many linked to one another. Entire blogs, or Web
journals, are now devoted to the subject of whether Gosch grew up to become
the disgraced reporter.
The complete concoction goes like this: Gosch was kidnapped into a
pedophilia and child pornography ring that serviced the upper echelons of
Washington, D.C., society. He was brainwashed by the CIA, trained to be
part of a top-secret escort program. Then, he became Jeff Gannon and was
given a plum job as a White House correspondent with the online
conservative news service to keep him quiet.
Finally, he was "uncovered" by the bloggers.
Photos combining the two men's faces are now posted on dozens of sites.
Gosch's glossy, parted hair morphs into Gannon's bald head. Gosch's
little-boy smile turns into Gannon's broad, tough-set jaw.
The nose is similar. The facial shape similar. A mark on one cheek is
similar.
A coincidence, you might say, but a lot of people are buying it.
"Though the photos' perspectives differ, and it's proof of nothing, the
alignment of features is striking," wrote blogger Jeff Wells on Rigorous
Intuition (rigorousintution. blogspot.com).
But a lack of proof wasn't enough to stop a vast network of gossip from
enveloping the story.
"The synchronicities . . . are stunning"
The most fervent bloggers on the Web aren't as interested in linking Gannon
to Gosch as they are in presenting their version of a massive conspiracy.
The story that excites them is a sordid tale about the CIA operating a
pedophilia ring on behalf of dignitaries and politicians and training male
prostitutes to serve as spies.
They try to link both Bush presidents to this conspiracy, prove that Hunter
S. Thompson's death was not a suicide and investigate a so-called
government-sponsored pedophilia operation they claim continues to abduct
children.
Coincidentally, Gannon was exposed as Guckert by persistent bloggers. After
drawing attention to himself with softball questions and inaccurate quotes,
Gannon became a topic on Rush Limbaugh's radio talk show. The bloggers then
dug up erotic photos of him and a connection to the escort sites.
Now bloggers, reveling in the notion of political hypocrisy, say they won't
let the story die until Gannon's DNA has been compared to genetic material
from the Gosch family.
Skolnick's stories on Rense.com were a frequent source for many of the
bloggers who posted about Gannon-Gosch. Most blogs ran condensed versions
of his long-winded reports.
Skolnick wrote six articles on the subject, the first titled "The Gannon
Cannon - Part 1: Bush Treason in Spy Whorehouse," which accused Gannon of a
personal connection to the president of the United States and other
dastardly deeds involving the "Chinese Secret Police."
Skolnick's biases are readily apparent. He bemoans, for example, that a
doctored photo showing Gannon and Bush naked together is "too good to be
true."
Among other things in Skolnick's stories - which have little in the way of
verifiable sources - are rumors that Gannon was trained by a secret D.C.
escort service operation.
Gannon has minimal journalism education, but Skolnick proposed that he was
trained in Central America, learning the latest in torture tactics, and
that he has consulted with the management at the U.S. military's Guantanamo
facility.
Total Information (www.total411.info), a site devoted to political paranoia
about 9/11 and topics like Freemasonry, is another place for a surfer to
run across the story. Blogger James G. Truth, a pseudonym for the site's
operator, posted information about Gosch/Gannon/Guckert, but added little
in the way of additional rumor - or reporting.
"I watched the Gannon-is-Gosch story percolate for about a week on
the 'net," Truth wrote in an e-mail to The Des Moines Register. "The
synchronicities in the case were and are stunning."
What convinced Truth was a chain of similar names. James Gannon is the name
of the former Des Moines Register editor who ran the paper at the time
Gosch was abducted. Too close, in Truth's page, to be a coincidence.
"Things can be changed"
Despite the story's more ludicrous subplots, a few coincidences seem
eerie - the matching cheek marks, the coincidental names, the sexual
overtones of the scandals. Add in the rumor that Johnny Gosch's mother,
Noreen, declared Gannon was her son, and it's no wonder that some bloggers
stuck by the story.
In reality, she says she's not convinced either way.
Several facts, however, do not add up. Gosch and Gannon/Guckert would be 12
years apart in age. Gannon is 48, and Gosch would be 35.
Noreen Gosch said some Web sites have reported Gannon as being 31 or
35. "Most people think he looks younger," she said to the Register.
Conneaut Lake High School in Pennsylvania confirms, however, that a James D.
Guckert graduated in June 1975. His college, West Chester University of
Pennsylvania, reports that he graduated in 1980 with a bachelor's degree in
education and a concentration in social studies.
Gannon himself told the New York Times that his mother is 72. Noreen Gosch
wouldn't say her age, but said she is not 72. According to previous reports
of her age, she would be approximately 61.
But if you want to believe something, and you've got the catchall reasoning
that the CIA can alter anything, it's not hard to brush aside such
discrepancies.
Ted Gunderson, a retired FBI agent and longtime Gosch investigator, insists
that the CIA can change ages, adjust work and school records and construct
entire lives for people. It doesn't make a lot of sense either that someone
living underground would choose to work in the pressure-cooker of the
Washington media, but there are multiple rationales for that inconsistency.
Several bloggers suggest Gosch was brainwashed or has multiple
personalities. "He may not have any idea," observed a visitor using the
tag "ohmygosch" on http://mparent777.blog -city.com.
Jim Rothstein, a retired New York City police officer and longtime
investigator on the Gosch case, said becoming a White House reporter is
completely in character for a former victim of the pedophilia ring.
In fact, Gannon/Guckert may have orchestrated the scenario for a greater
purpose.
"Is it possible he drew attention to himself during that Jan. 26 press
conference to pique the curiosity of citizen investigators?" posited one
blogger.
At Tyranny Response Unit news (trunews.blogspot.com), the sex scandal is
cast as an act of revenge.
"It appears that Gannon is the good guy - he might be getting back at his
abusers," observed the Tyranny Response Unit blogger.
Gosch gets a blog?
Another category of bloggers takes more interest in the apparent
foolishness of the matter than any possible evil. There are bloggers
mocking other bloggers.
Take the writer(s) behind the Johnny Gosch Blog, who satirically use the
persona of Gannon, keeping a log of new rumors that are enthusiastically
mocked. "One of Gannon's escort pages lists his age as 31 in 2001. Golly. I
can't imagine why a gay male prostitute would lie about his age," said
Joseph Cannon, who blogs on Cannonfire (cannonfire .blogspot.com).
In the blogging world, circulating such rumors is considered a democratic
pursuit, according to Jane Singer, an assistant professor in the University
of Iowa School of Journalism. More than 20 percent of Internet users read
or contribute to blogs, Singer said.
"The bloggers have a view of truth that is collective," she said. "Everyone
contributes their ideas and truth emerges. . . . Their role is to find
things they think are interesting and important or need to be brought to
attention."
Of the Gosch-Gannon connection, she said, "It doesn't surprise me that
bloggers ran with that. Some things pan out and some things don't."
Some bloggers, however, feel unappreciated and overworked.
One outraged Web surfer, using the tag "former Iowan," responded to a post
on the Cannonfire site, wondering, "Where is the major media interest in
following up this story - especially The Des Moines Register which should
have a curiosity in any Johnny Gosch sightings."
But the Internet always has answers. White, for instance, explains why
newspapers aren't interested in this story.
"Have you ever heard of Operation Mockingbird?" he asked.
It's another theory. It argues that the press is being controlled by the
CIA.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
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06 Sep 2006 07:51:46 AM |
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Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
Hatto von Aquitanien wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L68t_xGEAzE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5_X2JIoa1RM
This is very interesting in the current context:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilson_Flagg
Here we find the Anne Coulter engaged in a sordid orgy of name dropping:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1349749/posts
http://www.franklincase.org/index.htm
http://fpiarticle.blogspot.com/2005/03/photographer-for-white-house-child-sex.html
http://www.indybay.org/uploads/huntersthompsonon911_nr.mp3
This whole thing is so bizarre it seems impossible to concoct. Either
someone (DeCamp, e.g.) is churning out a whole lot of very sordid fiction
to weave together some very sordid fact, or there is more that is horribly
wrong with our government than I already believed.
<quote
url="http://www.infowars.com/articles/media/gannon_is_he_johnny_gosch.htm">
Gannon: Is he Johnny Gosch?
[...]
But the Internet always has answers. White, for instance, explains why
newspapers aren't interested in this story.
"Have you ever heard of Operation Mockingbird?" he asked.
It's another theory. It argues that the press is being controlled by the
CIA.
</quote>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mockingbird
Note the date on this story:
<quote
url="http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2006/09/01/america/NA_GEN_US_Missing_Boy_Photo.php">
Mother of abducted child gets photos 24 years later of boy bound, gagged
The Associated Press
Published: September 1, 2006
DES MOINES, Iowa The mother of a boy abducted 24 years ago said she is
bewildered by two photographs left at her front door, apparently showing
her son and two other children bound and gagged.
The old photos appear to show 12-year-old Johnny Gosch with his mouth
gagged and his hands and feet tied. The boy is wearing the same sweatpants
Johnny was wearing when he disappeared while delivering newspapers on the
morning of Sept. 5, 1982, his mother said.
"It's like reliving it," Noreen Gosch told The Associated Press on Thursday
night. "But the bigger picture is, 'Why are they doing this?'
"Whoever had these photos had them for 24 years. I don't understand why
they would do this now. It must be some kind of message."
Gosch said investigators confirmed the photos were authentic and likely
taken within "hours or days" of the abduction. She said they were checking
for fingerprints that could lead them to the source and possibly a
breakthrough in a case that has long baffled authorities. The other boys in
the photo were unidentified.
"We are in the process of researching where they came from and whether
they've been doctored up," West Des Moines police Lt. Jeff Miller told the
Des Moines Register.
Johnny's disappearance triggered nationwide fears of child abductions.
Several theories have developed since he vanished before dawn while
delivering Sunday newspapers. His newspaper wagon was discovered near his
West Des Moines home, but few substantial clues have surfaced since then.
Gosch believes her son was taken by child pornographers. She told
authorities he briefly contacted her in 1997 but feared for his life and
declined to give details about where he was. She believes his abductors got
him involved in crimes, which is why he is hiding his identity.
The National Center for Missing Children is examining the other boys in the
photograph and trying to match it with its database of missing children.
"These kids have parents someplace," Gosch said. "I'm sure they feel the
same way I did. ... Hopefully we can do some good and give these parents
some peace."
Johnny was Gosch's youngest of three children, and she has devoted her life
to finding him, from raising money for private detectives to following her
own leads and prodded police to try harder. She also wrote a book
called "Why Johnny Can't Come Home."
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