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Enrique Ter Horst
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Wednesday, August 18, 2004
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Ch=E1vez and the vote=20
CARACAS The perception that a massive electronic fraud led to President =
Hugo Ch=E1vez's mandate not being cut short in the recall referendum on =
Sunday is rapidly gaining ground in Venezuela. All exit polls carried =
out on the day had given the opposition an advantage of between 12 =
percent and 19 percent. But preliminary results announced by the =
government-controlled National Electoral Council at 3:30 a.m. gave =
Ch=E1vez 58.2 percent of the vote, against 41.7 percent for the =
opposition. .
At first people scratched their heads in disbelief, including many =
Ch=E1vez supporters, but accepted these figures after C=E9sar Gaviria, =
secretary general of the Organization of American States, and former =
President Jimmy Carter said their own quick counts coincided with the =
electoral council's figures. Two days after the referendum, however, =
evidence is growing that the software of the touch-screen voting =
machines had been tampered with. The opposition has requested that the =
votes be recounted manually and that the boxes holding the voting =
papers, currently stored in army garrisons, be put under the custody of =
international observers. .
Ch=E1vez had to be dragged kicking and screaming into holding the =
presidential recall referendum, even though it had been provided for by =
his Constitution. He was conscious that two-thirds of the people opposed =
his Cuban-inspired "revolutionary project" and his autocratic, =
aggressive **beep**. .
Two petitions were necessary to overcome the electoral council's tricks =
and delaying tactics. After the second petition was declared valid, =
under strong national and international pressure, and after having =
poured billions of dollars into social programs, Ch=E1vez accepted that =
the referendum be held Aug. 15. .
The electoral council has stated that the voting machines were audited =
after the vote, but the council did so in the absence of any opposition =
representative or any international observer. A cause for even greater =
concern is the fact that the papers the new machines produced confirming =
the voter's choice - which the voter had to verify and then drop into a =
closed box - were not added up and compared with the final numbers these =
machines produce at the end of the voting process, as the voting-machine =
manufacturer had suggested. .
Evidence of foul play has surfaced. In the town of Valle de la Pascua, =
where papers were counted at the initiative of those manning the voting =
center, the Yes vote had been cut by more than 75 percent, and the =
entire voting material was seized by the national guard shortly after =
the difference was established. .
Three machines in a voting center in the state of Bolivar that has =
generally voted against Ch=E1vez all showed the same 133 votes for the =
Yes option, and higher numbers for the No option. Two other machines =
registered 126 Yes votes and much higher votes for the No. The =
opposition alleges that these machines, which can both send and receive =
information, were reprogrammed to start adjudicating all votes to the No =
option after a given number of Yes votes has been registered. .
Although the Organization of American States and the Carter Center have =
called the election free and fair, their quick count justifying this =
statement was also based only on the numbers provided by the voting =
machines. The two organizations had brokered an agreement to examine, in =
the presence of government and opposition representatives, a sample of =
150 voting points chosen at **beep**. A comparison of the results =
printed out by these machines with the papers contained in the =
corresponding boxes was to be concluded this week. But the opposition =
now wants all machines and ballot boxes to be examined. .
This is not just another election in a country where political actors =
abide by democratic rules and civilized behavior. It is an election =
where a choice of society is being made, and where one side is prepared =
to use any method to remain in power, even elections if it is assured of =
"winning" them. .
Enrique ter Horst, a Venezuelan national, is a lawyer and political =
analyst in Caracas. A former assistant secretary general of the United =
Nations, he headed the UN peacekeeping operations in El Salvador and =
Haiti, and was the UN Deputy High Commissioner of Human Rights.=20
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| User: "Josh Dougherty" |
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| Title: Re: Chávez and the vote |
22 Aug 2004 09:04:21 PM |
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"pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote in message
news:XrydndQviMyk3bXcRVn-vA@look.ca...
Enrique Ter Horst
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Chávez and the vote
CARACAS The perception that a massive electronic fraud led to President Hugo
Chávez's mandate not being cut short in the recall referendum on Sunday is
rapidly gaining ground in Venezuela. All exit polls carried out on the day
had given the opposition an advantage of between 12 percent and 19 percent.
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Well that didn't take long. It only took reading to the 2nd sentence to
find a demonstrable lie. The first sentence is also fairly obviously false,
as the completely unsubstantiated cries of "fraud" have been steadily dealt
one blow after another. But since the first sentence only makes a claim
about "perception", it's kind of hard to empirically prove that it is also a
lie, even though it seems obvious enough.
Anyway...back to the demonstrable lie in the 2nd sentence:
"Oakland pollster Evans McDonough, which was under contract to the
Venezuelan government, was the only major polling firm operating in
Venezuela whose pre-election polls and exit poll predicted a landslide win
for Chavez, who won by 59 percent to 41 percent, according to official
returns. .... Alex McDonough, a partner in the Oakland polling firm, which
works for Democratic clients including Jerry Brown and Don Perata, said his
own exit poll found Chavez winning by 55 percent to 45 percent..."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2004/08/21/MNGTS8C4C21.DTL
So, it is completely false that "all exit polls" had the opposition winning,
just the ones that were conducted by partisan opposition activists from
Sumate.
And let's not forget all those pre-election polls that got it right too:
1) North American Opinion Research Inc announced yesterday (July 2) in
Caracas the results of a survey taken Jun 18-25, in which the South American
leader obtained the support of 57% among registered voters, while 41% want
to remove him. 2% remained undecided.
2) A June 23rd poll conducted by Washington DC based polling company
Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research Inc., showed that 49% of Venezuela's
registered voters would support President Chavez in the recall referendum
vs. 44% who would vote to recall him.
3) A mid-June poll by Venezuelan polling company INDAGA shows that 55% of
voters would vote against recalling President Chavez in the upcoming
referendum versus 42% who would recall him.
4) Another June poll by Venezuelan firm DATOS, gave Chavez 51% of support
for the recall referendum, against 39% who would vote against him.
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1304
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| User: "Fafnir" |
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| Title: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Ch=E1vez?= and the vote |
25 Aug 2004 02:53:10 AM |
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In article <YIydnZG_gvc4zbTcRVn-sA@comcast.com>
"Josh Dougherty" <jdoc1357b9@comcast.net> wrote:
"pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote in message
news:XrydndQviMyk3bXcRVn-vA@look.ca...
Enrique Ter Horst
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Chávez and the vote
CARACAS The perception that a massive electronic fraud led to
President Hugo
Chávez's mandate not being cut short in the recall referendum
on Sunday is
rapidly gaining ground in Venezuela. All exit polls carried
out on the day
had given the opposition an advantage of between 12 percent
and 19 percent.
What's this -- is the Bush Junta setting up VENEZUELA for a
challenge in the US Supreme Court???
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| User: "NotBush2004" |
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| Title: Re: Chávez and the vote |
22 Aug 2004 08:34:18 AM |
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"pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote in message
news:XrydndQviMyk3bXcRVn-vA@look.ca...
Enrique Ter Horst
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Chávez and the vote
CARACAS The perception that a massive electronic fraud led to President Hugo
Chávez's mandate not being cut short in the recall referendum on Sunday is
rapidly gaining ground in Venezuela. All exit polls carried out on the day
had given the opposition an advantage of between 12 percent and 19 percent.
But preliminary results announced by the government-controlled National
Electoral Council at 3:30 a.m. gave Chávez 58.2 percent of the vote, against
41.7 percent for the opposition. .
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Baloney. The last I heard there have been three verifications of the voting
process during the referendum and none of them found any wrongdoing.
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"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose
our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "Viejo Vizcacha" |
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| Title: Re: Chávez and the vote |
22 Aug 2004 09:45:04 AM |
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Please do not take seriously the "cut and paste" lies of Mr Martori. The
question tha thas haunted many readers of several newsgroups is:
"Is Pedro Martori a fucking spammer, or a plain old hijo de puta?" There are
some who also contend that he is both.
VV
"NotBush2004" <NotBush@WhiteHouse.Gov> wrote in message
news:ni1Wc.6249$rP2.1148@hydra.nntpserver.com...
"pedro martori" <pedro1940@progression.net> wrote in message
news:XrydndQviMyk3bXcRVn-vA@look.ca...
Enrique Ter Horst
Wednesday, August 18, 2004
Chávez and the vote
CARACAS The perception that a massive electronic fraud led to President
Hugo
Chávez's mandate not being cut short in the recall referendum on Sunday is
rapidly gaining ground in Venezuela. All exit polls carried out on the day
had given the opposition an advantage of between 12 percent and 19
percent.
But preliminary results announced by the government-controlled National
Electoral Council at 3:30 a.m. gave Chávez 58.2 percent of the vote,
against
41.7 percent for the opposition. .
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Baloney. The last I heard there have been three verifications of the
voting
process during the referendum and none of them found any wrongdoing.
--
"America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter, and lose
our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln
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| User: "pedro martori" |
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22 Aug 2004 10:59:09 AM |
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NOTE CORRECTION OF BROADCAST TIME PER TIME ZONE!
Today, Sunday August 22 at:
12:15 p.m. Pacific Time
1:15 p.m. Mountain Time
2:15 p.m. Central Time
3:15 p.m. Eastern Time
It will be live in all time zones.
Sorry for the confusion!
ON FOX NEWS CHANNEL THIS SUNDAY
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Agustin Blazquez, the producer/director and Jaums Sutton, the assistant =
producer and interviewer of the documentary COVERING CUBA 3: Elian will =
be interviewed tomorrow, Sunday, August 22, 2004 at 12:15 p.m. Pacific =
Time, 1:15 Mountin, 2:15 Central and 3:15 Eastern, by Gregg Jarrett on =
Fox News Live on the Fox News Channel.
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It will be a live interview nationally broadcast to 80 million people =
via cable and satellite. It can be seen all over America and abroad.
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The topic will be the recent rejection of COVERING CUBA 3: Elian by the =
AFI and other venues in the U.S. and the invitation to exhibit the =
documentary at the American Film Renaissance film festival in Dallas =
Texas, September 10-12, 2004.
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COVERING CUBA 3: Elian will be screened by the upcoming film festival in =
Dallas, Texas on Saturday, September 11, 2004 at the 2:45 p.m. session =
of the festival.
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Below are the links to the documentary and the film festival.
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Covering Cuba 3: Elian Produced and Directed by Agustin Blazquez
The story of Elian Gonzalez from the Cuban American point of view. The =
exiled community=92s answer to the abuses and travesties of justice of =
the case.
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American Film Renaissance: http://www.afrfilmfestival.com/.
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