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17 May 2004 03:39:42 PM |
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WMD! Or, How to give an election away. |
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons, maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
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17 May 2004 03:42:42 PM |
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<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iq9qc.29677$sA.3709@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Again today,
when was the first time?
a 155mm shell loaded with
old, useless
sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb,
no injuries
as well as some mustard
gas.
Mustard gas? cite?
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons,
Bush
Cheney
Perle
Wolfowitz
etc
etc
etc
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18 May 2004 05:47:34 PM |
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<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iq9qc.29677$sA.3709@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some
mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Then those nitwits are wrong.
One drop of sarin will kill several people.
I suspect that WMD's have faded into the background, and what we are
seeing now is the "nouveau pansies" floundering around in the muck of
hyper-tolerancy.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons, maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news
hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They
would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with
multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
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19 May 2004 10:52:28 AM |
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Top! Now one day after this sarin shell injured two of our soldiers,
one week after a mustard shell was discovered, the media has stopped
covering the story, the congress continues their hugh and unproductive side
show on the acts af a very few perverts who abused Iraqi prisoners, and
these news hack continue their comments about, "Now that we know there were
no WMD...."
If this is not "think speak" from the novel 1984, brainwashing 21st century
style,
what exactly is it? It certainly is not good government or good media.
The prime, the very FIRST responsibilty of the federal government, is to
protect us from foreign attack. Not to be "politically correct."
Now there are at least two American soldiers in Iraq who KNOW FOR AN
ABSOLUTE FACT that these WMD DO EXIST!!!
Where the hell is this leftist media? Where the hell is the US Congress?
"Top Poster" <Top_Poster_Rewls@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
in message news:aowqc.8$J02.0@edtnps84...
<nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote in message
news:iq9qc.29677$sA.3709@fe2.columbus.rr.com...
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some
mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Then those nitwits are wrong.
One drop of sarin will kill several people.
I suspect that WMD's have faded into the background, and what we are
seeing now is the "nouveau pansies" floundering around in the muck of
hyper-tolerancy.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons,
maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news
hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and
never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the
military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely
that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They
would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as
they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with
multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
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19 May 2004 02:24:51 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:52:28 GMT, <nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
==>Top! Now one day after this sarin shell injured two of our soldiers,
==>one week after a mustard shell was discovered, the media has stopped
==>covering the story,
Liar.
==>If this is not "think speak" from the novel 1984,
Bwahahahaha!! "Think speak?"
What a riot. A moron quotes from a book that he's
obviously never read.
"Think speak!" Oh God, my sides hurt.
==>Now there are at least two American soldiers in Iraq who KNOW FOR AN
==>ABSOLUTE FACT that these WMD DO EXIST!!!
Actually, it is not at all certain that old shell
contained sarin at all. But nice try.
==>Where the hell is this leftist media? Where the hell is the US Congress?
Trying desperately to keep a retarded, unelected
Texas yokel from destroying your country, and the
world.
But never mind. After all, it's only think speak.
Bwahahaha! What a maroon.
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The New Weapons Find in Iraq
New York Times Editorial
Published: May 19, 2004
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was appropriately cautious in
reacting to the discovery of a suspected nerve-agent weapon in Baghdad
last week. There have been myriad false alarms in the thus-far
fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. At this
point no one can be certain whether the artillery shell rigged as a
roadside bomb really did contain deadly sarin and, if so, what
significance that may have.
The shell was discovered by an American convoy last Saturday. It
partially detonated before an ordnance team could disable it,
dispersing a small amount of the chemical contents. Field tests found
very small traces of sarin, but such tests are designed to err on the
side of caution. They yield many false positives, which are later
proved invalid by sophisticated laboratory testing.
Two soldiers were treated for minor exposure and released, hardly the
kind of devastation one expects from a lethal chemical weapon.
Military officials say the artillery shell was a binary weapon. That
means two chemicals have to mix after the shell is fired to produce
sarin, something that wouldn't be expected to occur when the shell was
rigged as a homemade bomb. Indeed, they speculate that whoever made
the bomb may have had no idea that the shell contained chemical agents
rather than explosives. On the other hand, the lack of lethality may
simply indicate that the agent had long ago lost its punch or was not
even sarin.
If laboratory tests confirm the presence of sarin, that finding may
not tell us much about whether Saddam Hussein retained a hidden
chemical arsenal after supposedly destroying it.
The dwindling band of die-hards who remain convinced that Mr. Hussein
squirreled away stockpiles of illicit weapons worry that insurgents
may use them against American forces. But finding some residual
weapons that had escaped a large-scale destruction program would be no
great surprise - and if the chemicals had degraded, no major threat.
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I do not know where all this fantasy nonsense, these suicidal concepts of
morality and "fairness" of "civil rights" come from in the American public
today.
-nshinede, April 23, 2004
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20 May 2004 05:19:55 AM |
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in article er9na09ufs7ehpm7mb4fss0khjuu9imtge@4ax.com, Ivan Gowch at
gowch@SPAMTHEENOThotmail.com wrote on 5/19/04 12:24 PM:
On Wed, 19 May 2004 15:52:28 GMT, <nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
==>Top! Now one day after this sarin shell injured two of our soldiers,
==>one week after a mustard shell was discovered, the media has stopped
==>covering the story,
Liar.
==>If this is not "think speak" from the novel 1984,
Bwahahahaha!! "Think speak?"
What a riot. A moron quotes from a book that he's
obviously never read.
"Think speak!" Oh God, my sides hurt.
==>Now there are at least two American soldiers in Iraq who KNOW FOR AN
==>ABSOLUTE FACT that these WMD DO EXIST!!!
Actually, it is not at all certain that old shell
contained sarin at all. But nice try.
==>Where the hell is this leftist media? Where the hell is the US Congress?
Trying desperately to keep a retarded, unelected
Texas yokel from destroying your country, and the
world.
But never mind. After all, it's only think speak.
Bwahahaha! What a maroon.
===
The New Weapons Find in Iraq
New York Times Editorial
Published: May 19, 2004
Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld was appropriately cautious in
reacting to the discovery of a suspected nerve-agent weapon in Baghdad
last week. There have been myriad false alarms in the thus-far
fruitless search for weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. At this
point no one can be certain whether the artillery shell rigged as a
roadside bomb really did contain deadly sarin and, if so, what
significance that may have.
The shell was discovered by an American convoy last Saturday. It
partially detonated before an ordnance team could disable it,
dispersing a small amount of the chemical contents. Field tests found
very small traces of sarin, but such tests are designed to err on the
side of caution. They yield many false positives, which are later
proved invalid by sophisticated laboratory testing.
Two soldiers were treated for minor exposure and released, hardly the
kind of devastation one expects from a lethal chemical weapon.
Military officials say the artillery shell was a binary weapon. That
means two chemicals have to mix after the shell is fired to produce
sarin, something that wouldn't be expected to occur when the shell was
rigged as a homemade bomb. Indeed, they speculate that whoever made
the bomb may have had no idea that the shell contained chemical agents
rather than explosives. On the other hand, the lack of lethality may
simply indicate that the agent had long ago lost its punch or was not
even sarin.
If laboratory tests confirm the presence of sarin, that finding may
not tell us much about whether Saddam Hussein retained a hidden
chemical arsenal after supposedly destroying it.
The dwindling band of die-hards who remain convinced that Mr. Hussein
squirreled away stockpiles of illicit weapons worry that insurgents
may use them against American forces. But finding some residual
weapons that had escaped a large-scale destruction program would be no
great surprise - and if the chemicals had degraded, no major threat.
===
--
I do not know where all this fantasy nonsense, these suicidal concepts of
morality and "fairness" of "civil rights" come from in the American public
today.
-nshinede, April 23, 2004
think Speak..... must be a NewSpeak word.
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19 May 2004 12:40:20 PM |
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in article 0pLqc.22643$th.1995@fe2.columbus.rr.com,
at wrote on 5/19/04 8:52 AM:
Top! Now one day after this sarin shell injured two of our soldiers,
one week after a mustard shell was discovered, the media has stopped
covering the story, the congress continues their hugh and unproductive side
show on the acts af a very few perverts who abused Iraqi prisoners, and
these news hack continue their comments about, "Now that we know there were
no WMD...."
If this is not "think speak" from the novel 1984, brainwashing 21st century
style,
what exactly is it? It certainly is not good government or good media.
The prime, the very FIRST responsibilty of the federal government, is to
protect us from foreign attack. Not to be "politically correct."
Now there are at least two American soldiers in Iraq who KNOW FOR AN
ABSOLUTE FACT that these WMD DO EXIST!!!
Where the hell is this leftist media? Where the hell is the US Congress?
"Top Poster" <Top_Poster_Rewls@All_others_are_fake@poT_retsoP.moCzz34> wrote
in message news:aowqc.8$J02.0@edtnps84...
WMD (biological warfare) is as old as time, and a poor excuse for war in any
case.
I still say a diseased cow thrown into a city with a catapult, salting
arable lands into salt marshes or a good dose of commonly found poison in a
city's aquifer is by far more effective, and cheaper an alternative.
Interesting though that these gases you are hunting down were made by US
themselves?
wonders how many WMD's the States have, and if someone might use THAT as an
excuse to invoke war....
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| User: "Mr. Wizard" |
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19 May 2004 01:12:56 PM |
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"catchmerevisited" <catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca> wrote in message
news:BCD0EA15.161CD%catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca...
aowqc.8$J02.0@edtnps84...
WMD (biological warfare) is as old as time, and a poor excuse for war in
any
case.
I still say a diseased cow thrown into a city with a catapult, salting
arable lands into salt marshes or a good dose of commonly found poison in
a
city's aquifer is by far more effective, and cheaper an alternative.
Interesting though that these gases you are hunting down were made by US
themselves?
Who told you the USA made those chemicals?
One of the biggest myths associated with Iraq is
the notion that the USA supplied Saddam with
WMD materials. The United States never, gave,
sold or by third party supply, provided Saddam
with any weapon of any sort.
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| User: "Ivan Gowch" |
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20 May 2004 02:43:40 PM |
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On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:12:56 GMT, "Mr. Wizard" <spacedog@yahoo.com>
wrote:
[snip]
==>Who told you the USA made those chemicals?
==>One of the biggest myths associated with Iraq is
==>the notion that the USA supplied Saddam with
==>WMD materials. The United States never, gave,
==>sold or by third party supply, provided Saddam
==>with any weapon of any sort.
You are either a liar, a fool, or a Bush
Administration shill.
In any case, you're dead wrong.
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". . . according to documents recently released by the Iraqis
themselves, SEVERAL U.S. COMPANIES PROVIDED CHEMICAL
AND BIOLOGICAL COMPONENTS TO IRAQ during the 1980s
which were used to develop weapons."
-From The fifth estate: The Forgotten People
-The U.S./Iraq Alliance
-Broadcast March 26, 2003
"The story of U.S. involvement with Saddam Hussein in the years before
his 1990 attack on Kuwait -- which included large-scale intelligence
sharing, supply of cluster bombs through a Chilean front company, and
FACILITATING IRAQ'S ACQUISITION OF CHEMICAL AND BIOLOGICAL
PRECURSORS -- is a topical example of the underside of U.S. foreign
policy." (emphasis mine - IG)
-U.S. Had Key Role in Iraq Buildup;
Trade in Chemical Arms Allowed Despite
Their Use on Iranians, Kurds
-By Michael Dobbs, Washington Post, Monday, December 30, 2002
"A review of thousands of declassified government documents and
interviews with former policymakers shows that U.S. intelligence and
logistical support played a crucial role in shoring up Iraqi defenses
against the "human wave" attacks by suicidal Iranian troops. The
administrations of Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush authorized the
sale to Iraq of numerous items that had both military and civilian
applications, INCLUDING POISONOUS CHEMICALS AND DEADLY
BIOLOGICAL VIRUSES, SUCH AS ANTHRAX AND BUBONIC PLAGUE."
(emphasis mine - IG)
-Ibid.
" A 1994 investigation by the Senate Banking Committee turned up
dozens of biological agents shipped to Iraq during the mid-'80s under
license from the Commerce Department, including various strains of
anthrax, subsequently identified by the Pentagon as a key component of
the Iraqi biological warfare program. The Commerce Department also
approved the export of insecticides to Iraq, despite widespread
suspicions that they were being used for chemical warfare."
-Ibid.
" When United Nations weapons inspectors were allowed into Iraq after
the 1991 Gulf War, they compiled long lists of chemicals, missile
components, and computers from American suppliers, including such
household names as Union Carbide and Honeywell, which were being used
for military purposes."
-Ibid.
"Although U.S. export controls to Iraq were tightened up in the late
1980s, there were still many loopholes. In December 1988, Dow Chemical
sold $1.5 million of pesticides to Iraq, despite U.S. government
concerns that they could be used as chemical warfare agents."
-Ibid.
"Senior officials later told reporters they did not press for
punishment of Iraq at the time because they wanted to shore up Iraq's
ability to pursue the war with Iran. Extensive research uncovered no
public statements by Donald Rumsfeld publicly expressing even remote
concern about Iraq’s use or possession of chemical weapons until the
week Iraq invaded Kuwait in August 1990, when he appeared on an ABC
news special."
-From The Saddam in Rumsfeld’s Closet
-by Jeremy Scahill
-Published on Friday, August 2, 2002 by CommonDreams.org
". . . at the termination of the Iran-Iraq war, professors Stephen
Pelletiere and Leif Rosenberger, and Lt Colonel Douglas Johnson of the
US Army War College (USAWC) undertook a study of the use of chemical
weapons by Iran and Iraq in order to better understand battlefield
chemical warfare. They concluded that IT WAS IRAN AND NOT IRAQ
that killed the Kurds." (emphasis mine - IG)
-From Report Suppressed: Iran Gassed Kurds, Not Iraq
-by Raju Thomas, Times of India, 16 September 2002.
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Game, set, match.
Care to try again?
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Better an abortion clinic on every streetcorner
than the birth of one more unwanted child.
-Ivan Gowch
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17 May 2004 10:48:44 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 20:39:42 GMT, <nshinede@columbus.rr.com> wrote:
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
What a doofus, Its already reported that the main charge in the shell
did not even go off and the binary chemical mix required to actually
produce Sarin did not occur. Why, because the dumbshits who found it
thought it was a regular HE round.
Thanks to the crowing about having found one 155 mm round they WILL
try and get the next one to work, since they know where they got that
one there may be more, that's real smart. Worse if they have found an
arms dump with more of these rounds they can turn the rest over to Al
Qeuda for use some where else.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons, maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die
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| User: "catchmerevisited" |
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17 May 2004 06:49:05 PM |
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in article iq9qc.29677$sA.3709@fe2.columbus.rr.com,
at wrote on 5/17/04 1:39 PM:
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons, maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
the issue of WMD's was contained specifically to the fairly new strains that
were developed with the co-operation between Iraq and US, just a few years
prior to the First Gulf War.
This is the issue, not some old mustard gas containers.
They mentioned highly toxic strians of bacteria- possibly even be deadlier
than the Avian Flu. I cannot for the life of me imagine the US going out and
invading a country for mustard gas canisters, taking and giving far more
damage by bullets than 50 year old gas could possibly do, as they advance.
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17 May 2004 11:12:33 PM |
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On Mon, 17 May 2004 23:49:05 GMT, catchmerevisited
<catchmerevisited2004@yahoo.ca> wrote:
in article iq9qc.29677$sA.3709@fe2.columbus.rr.com,
at wrote on 5/17/04 1:39 PM:
Again today, a 155mm shell loaded with sarin nerve gas was deployed and
detonated in Iraq by terrorists as a roadside bomb, as well as some mustard
gas.
Already, some of these nitwit news hacks are saying, OH, NO, it doesn't
count as WMD, it's too old.
Who ever said that these WMD's had to be recent production weapons, maybe
some UN liar more than likely on Saddams payroll, or some leftist news hack?
I don't recall any of the world's intelligence services saying so, nor
anyone in the executive branch of our government.
Yet, the Republican Party just says; "OK" we'll try again!
Whats the matter with you people? I think you want to lose the election,
since you continually give these leftist airheads all the points and never
challenge their judgement.
Now, exactly why would Saddam produce new weapons, when he has all these
thousands already produced and buried just waiting for the chance to use
them?
Kinda violates common sense, does it not?
If you leftists don't think there still lethal, why not have the military
detonate a few, and you call all go take a few very deep lungs full, and
prove it to us!
So far as I'm concerned, every one of these shells, now found in the
thousands, are lethal WMD weapons fully proving Saddam had a nice little
stockpile. Even if some of these were degraded, it is highly unlikely that
his servants would tell him so. He did not take well to bad news. They would
likely lose their heads over it.
All this nonsense about how old they are is political nonsense more than
technical fact.
I sometimes think the Republican Party wants to lose the election as they
seem to allow the leftists to control all the information on the WMD.
Republicans, if you were to find a bran new, three stage ICBM with multiple
nuclear warheads,
aimed at Washington DC in Saddam's cell, and a big grin on his face, the
leftists would talk you out of it, I swear!(:-)
Whats
the issue of WMD's was contained specifically to the fairly new strains that
were developed with the co-operation between Iraq and US, just a few years
prior to the First Gulf War.
This is the issue, not some old mustard gas containers.
They mentioned highly toxic strians of bacteria- possibly even be deadlier
than the Avian Flu. I cannot for the life of me imagine the US going out and
invading a country for mustard gas canisters, taking and giving far more
damage by bullets than 50 year old gas could possibly do, as they advance.
The Sarin gas is not 50 years old although it was invented (along with
Tabun a similar weapon) in WW2, it was manufactured by Iraq for the
Iran/Iraq war and probably before. This particular artillery round may
date from then. We were trained to cope with this gas in the 70s as it
was known to be in the Soviet inventory (usually with an Atropine
injector). Although it rapidly disperses, it is very lethal and can
kill within 15 minutes with as little as three drops on exposed skin.
The artillery shell in question is designed so that a small charge
causes the two component chemicals mix forming the gas.
Build a man a fire and he'll be warm for a day.
Set a man on fire and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
Health is merely the slowest possible rate at which one can die
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